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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 28 2012 19:00 GMT
#481
In exactly the same way that you expect me to forgive your low post count, I expect you to forgive my high post count. I post a lot - all the time. I don't think anyone feels like their voice isn't being heard - BH is the only one who even comes close, but I think he's more just butthurt because no one is on his JW wagon. Or he's scum. Whatever it is, most everyone in town can see that I'm just trying to generate discussion - discussion that includes everyone. Yes there are those who haven't posted yet, but talking about them isn't going to make them post.

I think Cyber_Cheese is scum. I think he needs to hang today because he's one of only a few people that I'm even considering are scum at this point. So my vote is on him. But your vote is yours to do with what you wish. If you disagree that C_C is scum, then I don't WANT your vote.

At any rate, I think you should go read C_C's filter in L. I understand the resistance to meta, but you really should at least take a look. It's like night and day.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
March 28 2012 19:15 GMT
#482
Ok I will read his filter.

However I feel like you are misunderstanding me, nothing I have said criticises your case on C_C, nothing I have criticised you on refers to your read on him. Surely I can agree with you on C_C but disagree with some of your other decisions?

Again I'm confused at your answer, I was not criticising your post count... If anything I was criticising others and myself for not contributing enough. I feel like either I'm not being clear (which is very possible),
'better still, a satisfied man'
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
March 28 2012 19:18 GMT
#483
EBWOP: darn am doing too many things at once. add - or you are deliberately twisting what I am saying.
'better still, a satisfied man'
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 28 2012 19:41 GMT
#484
I'm not trying to twist what you're saying. I thought I addressed the problems you have with my play - I was adding the C_C thing as an addendum. You don't seem convinced even though your vote is on him.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5249 Posts
March 28 2012 19:41 GMT
#485
bleh. RL slapped me HARD in the face, apologies for rampant lurking blah blah blah sozzzz

I'm on board with C_C lynch; he's had ample time to respond to stuff and he has never rly adequately addressed this wombo combo post, which I largely agree with.

##Vote: Cyber_Cheese

Other than that, cccalf is the only who was not voting besides me. that's no good brody, whether inentionally or nonintentionally that level of super lurking is rly scummy.

Don't like gonzaw.

VE dyou actually think I'm scum or are you just being teh jokr? you and BH are flopping all over the palce on your opinions. sometimes I'm scum, sometimes you guys fling mud at each other, sometimes you guys are CT buddies (CS image). And I just noticed that when you voted for me here you spelled my name wrong. so.... wat?

aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5249 Posts
March 28 2012 19:43 GMT
#486
is that the right voting format?

just in case ##Vote Cyber_Cheese

I'll be back right before deadline most likely.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
March 28 2012 19:48 GMT
#487
On March 29 2012 02:18 froggynoddy wrote:
@gonzaw

Re your case against blue: he's sheeping... that seems to be basically all you are saying. Day 1 has so little info to work with that it's normal to agree what's been said before. That said in Werewolves II he was much more aggressive early game. But I don't like relying on meta as am such a new player... seems a flimsy way of going about hunting scum.


He is sheeping indeed, but a lot of other players did it as well (Zentor, zelblade, etc).

I'm talking about his behaviour. His behaviour is not like Purgatory at all, not even like Normal Mini Mafia I (the most recent game he was town I think, or at least that I remember).
His play and behaviour is just like Aperture mafia, and I already explained why. This is what made me think he was scum in Aperture, and is what makes me think he's scum now.
I wasn't wrong then, I am not wrong now.


I think my reasoning is as follows, C_C's flip will, at this point in time give us the most information:

1. he flips scum --> gonzaw's likelihood of being scum increases
2. he flips town --> VE and Blue likelihood of being scum increases



I don't like this type of reasoning at all. Zelblade mentioned it as well.
If C_C flipped scum, what would it tell you about me? If I'm town I don't know shit about C_C's alignment, so C_C can flip town or scum and it will still mean I'm town.
So if C_C were to flip scum, why would that mean I'm not town as well?
And if C_C flips town? Does that mean I'm not scum either?
This type of reasoning is what justifies senseless bandwagons on townies and clouds everybody's judgement. If you are trying to find connections between players then fine, but the most important thing is to pinpoint individuals as scum, and after other players flip determine his interactions with them, not before.



Anyways, this is pointless, I can't believe everybody is just assuming Bluelightz is town with almost no reason at all.

Killing C_C isn't bad either, once he was called out he hasn't contributed anything at all, and when he did he did so poorly.
I don't think he's town so I'm willing to lynch him to avoid NL.
I'm going to uni in a few minutes, and won't be back until a few hours after the lynch, so I'll change my vote now.

Still people, I'm not convinced by you guy's defense on Blue, I suggest you check him out again.
I still want responses from ET/sloosh/Zentor/BH/etc.

##Unvote: Bluelightz
##Vote: Cyber_Cheese

Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
March 28 2012 19:50 GMT
#488
I won't bother with semantics, such as : or spelling mistake, as long as the intent is clear. Just remember to add ## and bold every vote.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
March 28 2012 19:50 GMT
#489
EBWOP:

@ET: Please respond to my previous post here:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686&currentpage=21#407

Also, what do you think about Blue ET?
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
March 28 2012 20:42 GMT
#490
Good morning gents!

C_C, it looks like you have about an hour and a half to live. It's fairly unlikely that I (or anyone else) can stop this wagon now. That being said, there's still things you can do. When you flip, if you're town, you'll be confirmed town, and you already know how you're going to flip. If you're town, you should prepare a clear, concise, and well-argued post of your reads. You know just as much as we're going to know for the next 24 hours, and this will be a useful statement by a confirmed (if dead) townie.

If you are gonna go out D1 as a townie, you must be like the esteemed artist Lil Wayne and die with your finger on the trigger.


Do it for the town.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
March 28 2012 20:45 GMT
#491
I still believe JW is the mostly likely to flip scum. If there's anyone else who's not AFK between now and lynch time who would like to be convinced, or would like to try to convince me, I'm here.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
March 28 2012 20:48 GMT
#492
I SEE THE VIEW COUNT FOR THIS THREAD GOING UP WHERE ARE YOU GUYS
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 28 2012 20:49 GMT
#493
Maybe in a bit BH - I mean I'd tell you to go read C9++ but you've made it clear that you don't put much stock in meta so if I'm gonna do anything it will be to go through your cases and point out exactly how what you're calling JW scum for can be explained from an intimidated newbie standpoint as well, but I haven't convinced myself that you'll even listen to reason where he's concerned.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 28 2012 20:50 GMT
#494
It's confirmation bias for you now - you want to be right, so you want him to flip regardless of your actual view on him.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
March 28 2012 20:51 GMT
#495
Well, I *want* him to flip scum since he's getting lynched. I don't think he will... so in the event he IS town, he now has directions to at least be helpful in his last hour alive. That's not so unreasonable is it?
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 28 2012 20:52 GMT
#496
I'm talking about JW sir
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
March 28 2012 20:54 GMT
#497
I want JW to flip because I think he's scum. It's fairly unlikely I'll be able to get him lynched today, however. Also, depending on how C_C flips we'll be able to do bandwagon analysis that could point us towards other leads.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
March 28 2012 21:06 GMT
#498
@ gonzaw:

Sorry for the delayed response - with the CC activity and BH / VE scuffle & your unique posting style it was hard to read it all.


I gotta say, I'm leaning town on gonzaw. As I understand, the base of the arguments against him boil down to
1 - Advice not to claim nationality but not addressing CC
2 - Weird posting style
3 - Not scumhunting / sharing scum reads


1 - I feel like he has adequately defended the first point many times over.
2 - This ... is just his style. I don't like it either but that is personal preference, not an indication of alignment.
3 - People are picking on him for 1&2 so understandably most of his energies would be devoted to clearing his name.

I think it is clear that the questions he asked were to gain information, and he did produce the case on Bluelightz.
He is making sense in general and putting effort into the game (I'd like to see more scumhunting but its totally understandable when you have like 5 people on your case).

Gonzaw, out of the people who have called you out, who do you think is most suspicious?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 28 2012 21:08 GMT
#499
I know, but my point is that nothing I say is going to change your mind because you've convinced yourself of his guilt, where the only thing that will satisfy you at this point is his flip. It's not a bad thing, I'm tunneled as hard in on C_C...but there's a difference which I think you're intentionally ignoring.

C_C is NOT as new as JW. C_C should know better than to play the way he is. Jdub is still learning what is and isn't suspicious, what is and isn't acceptable and what is and isn't important. C_C knows these things - he was in L, a game where pure scumhunters took down almost an entire scumteam.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
March 28 2012 21:08 GMT
#500
P.s. Is Blzinghand just an inside joke or should I know what it means without the a?
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