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On September 15 2012 01:26 Charger wrote:Can you guys take a look at my buddies wizard and help us out? http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Mystle-1314/hero/12156514He has about 25m available and he doesn't know what his upgrade priority should be. He also doesn't visit or have a TL account which is why I am asking for him. It would be greatly appreciated!
yeah he basically looks squishy, he should get moar defence + armour and + all res. i would also pump a bit his hp but like 3k would really be enough once the defence is up.
he should be looking to get 100+ int, vit and around 60-80 all resistances in the following slots: shoulder, chest, belt, pants and boots (keep the moove speed on those). then what ever more there is is bonus. he can probably upgrade all of that for less than 10m.
on the defensive stats he should be aiming to be at least at 30k life 5k armour and 750 resistances with prismatic armour with out dropping any int in the process.
for dps, just look for tons of int + crit chance + crit damage and ias. that on the following slots: helm, ammy, gloves, bracers and rings. but that shit is expensive.
His critical chance seems sort of ok but id want it a bit higher, more like 40%. what he seems lacking is critical damage, and the best source for that is the weapon, needs a nice dps weapon with crit damage + socket (insert emmerald here). what i would do to pump the dps is change at least one of the rings for a 4%cc + int and crit damage if he can afford it. get a helm with the critchance + 10 apoc and get a weapon with crit damage + socket but sac the apoc here so it isnt uber expensive.
his build doesnt seem right either, if he is going tank mage he shouldnt be using glass cannon specially with the low resists he has. i would swicth that for evocation. force weapon i would switch for teleport wormhole, so he can get out of harms way with the bad affixes on elites. he is low on the apoc specially having 2 slots of it, he should be aiming for 15-20 apoc. This last pice of advice is really optional but snce i saw him stack life reg, loh works way better, specially with storm chaser, like 400-500 is more than enough. either way he needs to have his defence on check for that to be of any use.
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On September 15 2012 02:41 alQahira wrote:
Overall I would say the amulet, boots, pants and shoulders are the cheapest areas to increase DPS, but balancing with EHP and magic find is the challenge.
well i dont think that character can farm act3 efficiently, i think he would gain more by dropping some of his mf and pumping both dps and ehp so he can mow throw it. he is gonna get more rares by killing more stuff faster than getting an extra rare per pack but killing half of the ammount and having bigger repair costs/ time wasted by dieing too much.
though i have to agree it is something you should balance
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Thanks guys, I think I will try to push him a little to dropping some mf. We can do Act 3 fine but he does die quite a bit - no idea how he does soloing it. My philosophy has started to shift to clearing faster is better than slower with higher mf - especially as our paragon lvls increase.
Thanks again for the help! <3
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On September 15 2012 01:22 ximae wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 17:58 Silahsor wrote:
Cannot care less for apoc. Spending 95% of my farm time in Archon form. CC is what it matters for me. So sniping a decent & a cheap one is a priority for me, no? i have to agree with you, i couldnt be happier with mine 18% 8,5% cc and 80-290 dmg and no apoc. if i need apoc ive got 2 other slots to get it from. btw a little thing i discovered this morning for us triumvirate users. dont underestimate big average damage numbers on rings and ammys, specially if ur on a budget, they are pretty cheap. i got 2 60-70 average damage rings with 4% crit chance and around 80 int for about 1.5 mill both. and i gained 7k dps unbuffed. one of my previous rings was 4% cc and 25%cd and the new ring still gave me about 3.5k moar dps.
That's a good tip regarding the rings. And yeah, sure, if you're running archon I suppose APOC doesn't matter as much. It's still a cherry on top though, so go for it if you can afford it. I'm pretty happy with the 75-350dmg 8.5crit 9APOC 6-6-5 triumvirate I just got a couple days ago. Boosted my DPS ~18K.
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I think the most important thing to do is to get yourself to a comfortable position archon farming A3. The key stats are movespeed (you need 24% to be most efficient) and decent dps 90-100k, along with some defenses. You can get experience very, very quickly in A3. What you should do is first search for a socketed weapon with high minimum physical damage and life leech, along with a cheap triumvirate (I'll sell my 6/6/6 83-206 if you're interested). Then get damage up via rings/ammy. 100k isn't too hard to hit. Get some defenses on your chest, belt, shoulder slots and you're good to go.
However, I believe MF is very important if you want amazing items. I personally love MF and farm with 398 MF (follower boosted of course) and have gotten quite a few good items: Sunkeeper with socket, Chantodo's, SOJ, MF Dead Man's Legacy with 19 IAS, dex Echoing Fury with IAS and LOH, along with many other items that sold in the 1-20m region. The improvement to drops is very noticeable.
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Okay I'm going crazy since I'm trying to figure out the ideal 1 hander to buy with a triumvirate because I can't get the math to work out to match the dps on my stat sheet.
Here's my character: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/diophan-1432/hero/3286576
I have +24% elemental damage in total. I then add the source's minimum to the weapon's minimum, same with the max. Then I multiply the minimum by 1.48. I input all of this, my int, crit, IAS, etc. into a DPS calculator (the wizard dps equivalence google doc) and get 91950 instead of the 93361 on my stat sheet. Anyone know what I'm doing incorrectly?
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for god sake why would it matter, you got 93.3k bro
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On September 15 2012 11:50 diophan wrote:Okay I'm going crazy since I'm trying to figure out the ideal 1 hander to buy with a triumvirate because I can't get the math to work out to match the dps on my stat sheet. Here's my character: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/diophan-1432/hero/3286576I have +24% elemental damage in total. I then add the source's minimum to the weapon's minimum, same with the max. Then I multiply the minimum by 1.48. I input all of this, my int, crit, IAS, etc. into a DPS calculator (the wizard dps equivalence google doc) and get 91950 instead of the 93361 on my stat sheet. Anyone know what I'm doing incorrectly?
afaik the bonus of triumvirate and other items is calculated based of 2*mindamage instead of 1*average damage.
so the higher the spread between your min and max dam, the less effective this source of damage will become.
say you get 15% elemental damage added and have 500-1100 damage. then the elemental bonus you get would be 0.15*2*500 = 150. as your average damage is 800 in that case, +150 damage is more than a 15% increase.
On September 15 2012 11:53 KiWiKaKi wrote:
for god sake why would it matter, you got 93.3k bro
which really isnt that much for a well-geared wiz. i mean, look at his mainhand, belt and amu. huge unused dps potential on these slots, yet he still gets 93k.
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Any hints what i should buy next? I have like 6,5 mill but i'm really unsure what i should upgrade next. Chest Armor with all resistence is pretty expensive and it's hard to get a good 1-h weapon with good damage and 800+ loh and socket. i would like to pick up a triumvirate with 10 apoc but that stuff is pretty expensive.
Here's my current build:
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/melkor3-2993/hero/859996
Thanks for suggestions 
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That's a good tip regarding the rings. And yeah, sure, if you're running archon I suppose APOC doesn't matter as much. It's still a cherry on top though, so go for it if you can afford it. I'm pretty happy with the 75-350dmg 8.5crit 9APOC 6-6-5 triumvirate I just got a couple days ago. Boosted my DPS ~18K.
yeah for archon form 10 apoc is enough but not when im going shardnado blast or shokshardnado blast, then i need the 20 apoc,but i just switch my weapon to my wizard spike when im using those builds. i loose a ton of paper dps but really not that much in efective dps since ur multiplying ur dps a ton through using cooldown/apoc mecanics on 3 dif spells at once.
nice trium there btw.
I think the most important thing to do is to get yourself to a comfortable position archon farming A3. The key stats are movespeed (you need 24% to be most efficient) and decent dps 90-100k, along with some defenses. You can get experience very, very quickly in A3. What you should do is first search for a socketed weapon with high minimum physical damage and life leech, along with a cheap triumvirate (I'll sell my 6/6/6 83-206 if you're interested). Then get damage up via rings/ammy. 100k isn't too hard to hit. Get some defenses on your chest, belt, shoulder slots and you're good to go.
However, I believe MF is very important if you want amazing items. I personally love MF and farm with 398 MF (follower boosted of course) and have gotten quite a few good items: Sunkeeper with socket, Chantodo's, SOJ, MF Dead Man's Legacy with 19 IAS, dex Echoing Fury with IAS and LOH, along with many other items that sold in the 1-20m region. The improvement to drops is very noticeable.
dont underestimate standard cm builds, while ur paper dps isnt usually that high, the effective dps is near the same and u gain soooo much more mobility through wormhole. u can really be just teleporting from mob to mob and trashing them almost instantly if u do things right. I am at 100k dps when going archon and just 50k dps when going cm and i find that build more efective, as in faster and die less. though im still at 11% moovespeed, still saving fr a tyraels myght so i might change opinion when i finally get my moove speed to 23-24%
yeah mf is important, but after u can do runs efficiently. whats the point of getting mf if u cant be killing elite packs fast so u can be killing more. i think its something u should focus in after that point. I just roll with like 50mf including follower and am at level 20 paragon, and im still getting tons of yellows everywhere and like 1 legendary per day, most trash but still some good like my trium. anyways the mf is not gona help on the item roll (what item it is) its ilevel or the stat rolls. So im not sold on the mf vs effective and fast farming.
afaik the bonus of triumvirate and other items is calculated based of 2*mindamage instead of 1*average damage.
so the higher the spread between your min and max dam, the less effective this source of damage will become.
say you get 15% elemental damage added and have 500-1100 damage. then the elemental bonus you get would be 0.15*2*500 = 150. as your average damage is 800 in that case, +150 damage is more than a 15% increase.
You sure it is calculated like that and not through the average damage? got a source? i mean sure min damage has double the relevance of max, but my impresion is that it is still factoring in the max damage. I guess i could really just test it, get 2 cheapo rings with the same average but diff max-mins.
which really isnt that much for a well-geared wiz. i mean, look at his mainhand, belt and amu. huge unused dps potential on these slots, yet he still gets 93k.
ok mainhand is missing some crit damage, and the ammu some critchance but the belt? u know most of us mortals cant afford a witching hour + once im already hitting 100k dps id rather keep it as a defensive slot.
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On September 15 2012 17:57 melkor3 wrote:Any hints what i should buy next? I have like 6,5 mill but i'm really unsure what i should upgrade next. Chest Armor with all resistence is pretty expensive and it's hard to get a good 1-h weapon with good damage and 800+ loh and socket. i would like to pick up a triumvirate with 10 apoc but that stuff is pretty expensive. Here's my current build: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/melkor3-2993/hero/859996Thanks for suggestions
yeah i would get some ar on the chest as a priority and I would also change the loh of your weapon for crit damage + socket. U are already at 460 loh with the stormcrow, that is enough with sc. I have been at 1000loh , 800loh which is nice but now ive reduces it to 460 and i find its enough, but pump some armour and resistances.
rare sources are fairly cheap nowdays too, im trying to sell one similar to yours and cant even seel it for 500k, so you could probably upgrade it for 1m or so.
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On September 15 2012 11:55 Black Gun wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 11:50 diophan wrote:Okay I'm going crazy since I'm trying to figure out the ideal 1 hander to buy with a triumvirate because I can't get the math to work out to match the dps on my stat sheet. Here's my character: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/diophan-1432/hero/3286576I have +24% elemental damage in total. I then add the source's minimum to the weapon's minimum, same with the max. Then I multiply the minimum by 1.48. I input all of this, my int, crit, IAS, etc. into a DPS calculator (the wizard dps equivalence google doc) and get 91950 instead of the 93361 on my stat sheet. Anyone know what I'm doing incorrectly? afaik the bonus of triumvirate and other items is calculated based of 2*mindamage instead of 1*average damage. so the higher the spread between your min and max dam, the less effective this source of damage will become. say you get 15% elemental damage added and have 500-1100 damage. then the elemental bonus you get would be 0.15*2*500 = 150. as your average damage is 800 in that case, +150 damage is more than a 15% increase.
That is how I calculated it. It was closer than when I calculated the "normal" way ie multiplying by 1.24 at the end but still off a few %. Are you adding the +150 damage to your minimum damage number or how are you incorporating it?
On September 15 2012 11:53 KiWiKaKi wrote:
for god sake why would it matter, you got 93.3k bro
Because I was trying to get a weapon with some lifeleech on it and upgrade as efficiently as possibly. When I'm soloing I agree I have "enough" dps in almost all situations but when playing in a group with friends the extra dps becomes much more helpful. Are you the "real" kiwikaki btw?
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On September 15 2012 05:36 deducter wrote:
I think the most important thing to do is to get yourself to a comfortable position archon farming A3. The key stats are movespeed (you need 24% to be most efficient) and decent dps 90-100k, along with some defenses. You can get experience very, very quickly in A3. What you should do is first search for a socketed weapon with high minimum physical damage and life leech, along with a cheap triumvirate (I'll sell my 6/6/6 83-206 if you're interested). Then get damage up via rings/ammy. 100k isn't too hard to hit. Get some defenses on your chest, belt, shoulder slots and you're good to go.
However, I believe MF is very important if you want amazing items. I personally love MF and farm with 398 MF (follower boosted of course) and have gotten quite a few good items: Sunkeeper with socket, Chantodo's, SOJ, MF Dead Man's Legacy with 19 IAS, dex Echoing Fury with IAS and LOH, along with many other items that sold in the 1-20m region. The improvement to drops is very noticeable.
I agree with archon farming a3. I just recently re-geared to get myself up to 273 MF when stacked with 5 nephalem valors... but I'm suffering with about 35k dps. It used to be ~45k before spending the 600k gold or so to get my MF gear. I have about 32 mill gold saved up, because I sold a lev 63 legendary for quite a bit. Should I re-gear for MF as well as enough to get my dps to ~70k to farm a3 archon mode? Or should I keep saving up? I don't see how I'm gonna be able to get around 300 MF AND having above 70k dps, but it sounds like you've been able to do it. Any tips? Any guess on how much it costs?
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On September 15 2012 11:55 Black Gun wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 11:50 diophan wrote:Okay I'm going crazy since I'm trying to figure out the ideal 1 hander to buy with a triumvirate because I can't get the math to work out to match the dps on my stat sheet. Here's my character: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/diophan-1432/hero/3286576I have +24% elemental damage in total. I then add the source's minimum to the weapon's minimum, same with the max. Then I multiply the minimum by 1.48. I input all of this, my int, crit, IAS, etc. into a DPS calculator (the wizard dps equivalence google doc) and get 91950 instead of the 93361 on my stat sheet. Anyone know what I'm doing incorrectly? afaik the bonus of triumvirate and other items is calculated based of 2*mindamage instead of 1*average damage. so the higher the spread between your min and max dam, the less effective this source of damage will become. say you get 15% elemental damage added and have 500-1100 damage. then the elemental bonus you get would be 0.15*2*500 = 150. as your average damage is 800 in that case, +150 damage is more than a 15% increase.
Ok, yesterday i tested this out. i bought 2 cheapo blue rings with no offensive stats other than 35-60 damage and 30-65 damage, stripped off all my gear except the triumvirate and the stormcrow and slotted in first one ring then the other.
The damage was exactly the same with both rings.
Conclusion: % damage to element is calculated through the average damage not the min damage. a higher min damage is better because it increases your average more than max, but max is used in he calculations too and in a weapon both are factored in the fnal dps anyways.
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On September 16 2012 01:42 diophan wrote:
Because I was trying to get a weapon with some lifeleech on it and upgrade as efficiently as possibly. When I'm soloing I agree I have "enough" dps in almost all situations but when playing in a group with friends the extra dps becomes much more helpful. Are you the "real" kiwikaki btw?
Lifeleech makes archon so boss 
I just started playing that style today. Man, it's completely OP (well, maybe what I mean is that Storm Chaser is OP). Wish I'd tried it (SC + Archon) sooner...
Also yeah lol, I'm pretty sure that is the "real" kiwikaki. TL would probably not let people pose as SC2 (or BW) pros by posting under pro player names
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On September 16 2012 17:18 ximae wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 11:55 Black Gun wrote:On September 15 2012 11:50 diophan wrote:Okay I'm going crazy since I'm trying to figure out the ideal 1 hander to buy with a triumvirate because I can't get the math to work out to match the dps on my stat sheet. Here's my character: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/diophan-1432/hero/3286576I have +24% elemental damage in total. I then add the source's minimum to the weapon's minimum, same with the max. Then I multiply the minimum by 1.48. I input all of this, my int, crit, IAS, etc. into a DPS calculator (the wizard dps equivalence google doc) and get 91950 instead of the 93361 on my stat sheet. Anyone know what I'm doing incorrectly? afaik the bonus of triumvirate and other items is calculated based of 2*mindamage instead of 1*average damage. so the higher the spread between your min and max dam, the less effective this source of damage will become. say you get 15% elemental damage added and have 500-1100 damage. then the elemental bonus you get would be 0.15*2*500 = 150. as your average damage is 800 in that case, +150 damage is more than a 15% increase. Ok, yesterday i tested this out. i bought 2 cheapo blue rings with no offensive stats other than 35-60 damage and 30-65 damage, stripped off all my gear except the triumvirate and the stormcrow and slotted in first one ring then the other. The damage was exactly the same with both rings. Conclusion: % damage to element is calculated through the average damage not the min damage. a higher min damage is better because it increases your average more than max, but max is used in he calculations too and in a weapon both are factored in the fnal dps anyways.
hmm, maybe the "adds x% elemental damage" mod is indeed only applied to the weapon damage itself and doesnt include rings, amulets and maybe not even the sources...
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Hi guys, a little advice. I've been running a big hitting arcane orb build with a 2 hander (about 85k dps) but just found this wand and would like to try out the critical mass type builds now that I have some LoH and AP on crit. I've done some googling but results are sort of all over, so what is the best current version of it for someone with around 70k dps? Here is my full setup. Any easy equipment changes that would make it significantly more effective? An amulet with more LoH? A better source? I only have around 7 million at the moment.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/AlQahira-1183/hero/3305720
And here is the wand. Best thing I've found on the ground so far.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/q25fi.jpg)
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try setup that i use: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Simba-2186/hero/8111104
here is how it works: http://www.own3d.tv/drake22x/video/800963
to be effective at the moment, you need another item with ap on crit; either a source or wizard hat. Because of new legendaries it is really easy to find a great rare source/hat with crit + apoc + int (+socket for hat).
after you got this item, you can drop astral presence for blur for more survivability. Try bone chill instead of deep freeze as well then.
next thing is upgrading your gear to get more all res:
cheap tyraels might with int/vit will get you 70+ all res and cap movement speed, which is a great aid;
pants and boots are missing all res at the moment, and should be easy to upgrade.
bracers are really poor in terms of all stats;
so there you go; armor (70); boots (50+); pants (50+); bracers (50+) - will give you 200+ all res; so you will make better use of prismatic and have around 1k @; 2 items with apoc will allow you to constantly spam the cds without running out of ap; and you will clean with ease and will not die.
after that you should aim to upgrade individual items for the similar version but better stats.
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So the new cc resistance in the upcoming patch pretty much destroys the energy twister/explosive blast/frost nova/diamond skin facetank build, right?
:-(
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the only cc skill in that routine is frost nova which is only used as cc at low level gear
at higher end it simply used in conjunction with cold blooded for higher damage
if crit and loh proc rates stay the same, the build will stay just as op
but nonetheless they said it ll still be viable, and likely to be nerfed in group play etc
there are always options, for example replace frost nova with magic weapon - life steal or force weapon; and get a free passive slot instead of cold blooded
but with reduced inc damage from the mobs, high end wizards just gonna run with storm armor; and everything will die from reflect/shocking aspect
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