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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 30 2011 20:26 GMT
#3061
I ment cata, I still get triforce that's a no brainer. Banshee's is good, but so early seems like you get nothing done during early/mid game.
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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 20:38:21
October 30 2011 20:28 GMT
#3062
On October 31 2011 05:19 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 04:10 Alaric wrote:
Switching topics, what's the "best" way to build Blitzcrank? I bought him on my smurf (supporting/bruising a lot to help friends new to the game) and have been playing him AD bruiser (manamune, triforce, FH, FoN but I generally don't get enough farm for all the completed stuff). Support is a no-no as that'd be a waste, full tank might be interesting but I'm not too sold on it before I get runes (level 16 smurf), and I'm still wondering how to build him AP-wise (lichbane for sure).

Probably manamune, triforce, frozen heart, and general tankiness as needed.

His passive is nice. But the #1 trap people fall into when playing Blitz: Prioritising buying mana. You should never buy mana for the sake of making his passive better. It's very temporary shield that is only available sometimes. If you're worried about dying, hp lets you live longer, not mana. You should also really never be oom with Blitz because his mana costs are so low unless you use Q to farm or never ever go back to base ever.

I strongly disagree with the Manamune opening. Manamune is not ideal on Blitz because you spend ~1k on the Tear which will charge up slowly before you get Manamune, and if you rush the Manamune you end up with ~2k invested in something that won't make you a threat for a while and can't help you live longer to CC-lock everything in sight down. Sure, once you get a lot of mana you can hurt people more. But then Atmas does the same as well and actually gives you tanky stats and its conversion rate on hp/mana -> damage is higher too because you should have more hp than mana. (Anivia is the only exception where having more mana than hp is ok imoimo).

If you're laning, a Cata is much better because it gives your hp and mana as well as that great sustain from the passive. If the other side plays right, you shouldn't be landing your Qs very often and that's 16-20sec of downtime where you get poked at.

Core build for lane Blitz imo is Saph/Boots+Pots -> Cata -> Triforce -> Banshees/Frozen Heart/Randuin depending on the circumstances. If you go Randuin, then HoG somewhere is fine. Triforce should be your first major item. There's a massive spike in power once you complete it. You just run into the other team and CC-lock them down for your team. For boots, generally go Mercs. If they have no CC, Ionian or Graves are okay, but generally that shouldn't happen.

For jungle Blitz, go Cloth+5 -> Wriggles -> Triforce -> Tank. Again, boots follow the same rule as above.

Also, R should generally be saved until when it is absolutely necessary since the passive gives a lot of dps. Also, space out your W+Es for maximum damage. Finally, don't always initiate with Q. Sometimes it's just better to W, run into them, E someone (sometimes Flash-E Udyr style), then Q as they try to run.
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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
October 30 2011 20:31 GMT
#3063
Thing with manamune is, sheen gives you as much damage as a manamune would. A frozen heart would only give you about 10extra damage with a manamune, it's not that good.
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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
October 30 2011 20:36 GMT
#3064
Also, Wickd joins Wetdream and makes a team together.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
October 30 2011 20:43 GMT
#3065
Did you just straight up copy your own post MoonBear?
You should just have linked it - if you wanna change something now you will have to change it in 2 locations. BAD.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 30 2011 20:45 GMT
#3066
Wasn't Soaz M's AP? I don't remember him as a jungler.
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-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 20:48:58
October 30 2011 20:47 GMT
#3067
On October 31 2011 05:45 NeoIllusions wrote:
Wasn't Soaz M's AP? I don't remember him as a jungler.

He was mostly top, if I'm not mistaken.

Hopefully, Wetdream is only support.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
October 30 2011 20:48 GMT
#3068
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Hakker
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1360 Posts
October 30 2011 20:56 GMT
#3069
Does anyone know what time the CDE vs Digneetis rematch is supposed to start?
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
October 30 2011 21:02 GMT
#3070
Someone made a countdown

http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=CDE vs Dignitas &month=10&day=30&year=2011&hour=22&min=00&sec=00&p0=417

Also, TOO's stream is hilarious. He's going on about how Jatt asked Chaox to join Dignitas during IPL or IEM and that's why they were calling him scumbag Jatt (guess it's not just the WCG stuff).
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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 21:14:13
October 30 2011 21:05 GMT
#3071
On October 31 2011 05:43 spinesheath wrote:
Did you just straight up copy your own post MoonBear?
You should just have linked it - if you wanna change something now you will have to change it in 2 locations. BAD.

I pretty much just recited it. Is it that similar to what I posted before?

On October 31 2011 05:45 NeoIllusions wrote:
Wasn't Soaz M's AP? I don't remember him as a jungler.

Solo-top. Played WW and Karthus mostly. You might remember him as that WW that got blue buff and then hung out around the mid-turret not giving a damn taunting the other team at DH. (I think it was v TSM in semifinals)
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 21:07:22
October 30 2011 21:06 GMT
#3072
On October 31 2011 05:31 JackDino wrote:
Thing with manamune is, sheen gives you as much damage as a manamune would. A frozen heart would only give you about 10extra damage with a manamune, it's not that good.


My understanding has always been that Manamune is only good on AD champs that spam skills. So like, Yorick or Corki (even though no one builds it on Corki anymore). Blitz doesn't spam spells and I never thought his passive was good enough to merit getting a Manamune.

Also Dignitas vs. CDE is possibly starting at 7PM EDT.
edit: JBright beat me and apparently I have the wrong time. So should be 10PM EDT?
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 30 2011 21:19 GMT
#3073
On October 31 2011 06:02 JBright wrote:
Someone made a countdown

http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=CDE vs Dignitas &month=10&day=30&year=2011&hour=22&min=00&sec=00&p0=417

Also, TOO's stream is hilarious. He's going on about how Jatt asked Chaox to join Dignitas during IPL or IEM and that's why they were calling him scumbag Jatt (guess it's not just the WCG stuff).


qtpie trolling TOO so hard right now. Pretty amusing.
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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
October 30 2011 21:19 GMT
#3074
Eh... Blitz's E is pretty spammable. I don't think manamune is really worth it, but it isn't horrible.
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
October 30 2011 21:21 GMT
#3075
On October 31 2011 05:28 MoonBear wrote:
(Anivia is the only exception where having more mana than hp is ok imoimo).

Not Ryze or Karthus?
BloodNinja
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2791 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 21:31:57
October 30 2011 21:26 GMT
#3076
On October 31 2011 06:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 06:02 JBright wrote:
Someone made a countdown

http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=CDE vs Dignitas &month=10&day=30&year=2011&hour=22&min=00&sec=00&p0=417

Also, TOO's stream is hilarious. He's going on about how Jatt asked Chaox to join Dignitas during IPL or IEM and that's why they were calling him scumbag Jatt (guess it's not just the WCG stuff).


qtpie trolling TOO so hard right now. Pretty amusing.


Just caught the end of that. TOO very mad now.

Also reading the LoL boards white knight for TOO is GREAT right now.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
October 30 2011 21:28 GMT
#3077
On October 31 2011 06:05 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 05:43 spinesheath wrote:
Did you just straight up copy your own post MoonBear?
You should just have linked it - if you wanna change something now you will have to change it in 2 locations. BAD.

I pretty much just recited it. Is it that similar to what I posted before?

No idea actually. I just remember that you called it a newb trap (exact wording might have been different) in both posts. I didn't really read either of those posts, hehe.
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Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
October 30 2011 21:33 GMT
#3078
Woot! First quadra with Shaco, also went 12/0/11. Carried so hard.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
October 30 2011 21:37 GMT
#3079
On October 31 2011 06:21 Treadmill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 05:28 MoonBear wrote:
(Anivia is the only exception where having more mana than hp is ok imoimo).

Not Ryze or Karthus?

Oh, I don't play Ryze or Karthus. Forgot they existed hahaha. My baaaad~

On October 31 2011 06:19 zer0das wrote:
Eh... Blitz's E is pretty spammable. I don't think manamune is really worth it, but it isn't horrible.

Blitz's biggest threat in a fight is his burst damage. E is semi-spammable and so is W, but I don't think you can rely on them a lot in order to charge up a Tear for mid-game fights which matter for determining how the game snowballs.

So, some mathcraft time.Let's say you're at level 9 when you finally max a skill and have Sheen. Doesn't matter what but normally you'd max E in lane, W in jungle. Burst damage from Sheen-proc E + Sheen-proc W + 1 hit of R passive + R is about 780 burst damage. At level 9, iirc no champions will have broken the 1500 hp mark without any hp items. (Using the calculation that Sheen is added onto E damage and not multiplying it all since both are treated as separate on-hit modifiers.)

Without those Sheen procs but, say, +30 from a Manamune you've charged so far. (That's ~500 mana bonus, or half a Tear's worth so a lot of charging required.) Your burst damage from the exact same combo comes out to about 700. It's a noticeable difference. If the fight goes on for longer, the Sheen procs every 2 seconds also contribute more damage than +30 AD every autoattack.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
October 30 2011 21:44 GMT
#3080
Which is pretty much supporting my comment. Not disagreeing.
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