EPT[Patch 1.0.0.127: Graves] General Discussion - Page 154
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On October 31 2011 05:19 Craton wrote: Probably manamune, triforce, frozen heart, and general tankiness as needed. His passive is nice. But the #1 trap people fall into when playing Blitz: Prioritising buying mana. You should never buy mana for the sake of making his passive better. It's very temporary shield that is only available sometimes. If you're worried about dying, hp lets you live longer, not mana. You should also really never be oom with Blitz because his mana costs are so low unless you use Q to farm or never ever go back to base ever. I strongly disagree with the Manamune opening. Manamune is not ideal on Blitz because you spend ~1k on the Tear which will charge up slowly before you get Manamune, and if you rush the Manamune you end up with ~2k invested in something that won't make you a threat for a while and can't help you live longer to CC-lock everything in sight down. Sure, once you get a lot of mana you can hurt people more. But then Atmas does the same as well and actually gives you tanky stats and its conversion rate on hp/mana -> damage is higher too because you should have more hp than mana. (Anivia is the only exception where having more mana than hp is ok imoimo). If you're laning, a Cata is much better because it gives your hp and mana as well as that great sustain from the passive. If the other side plays right, you shouldn't be landing your Qs very often and that's 16-20sec of downtime where you get poked at. Core build for lane Blitz imo is Saph/Boots+Pots -> Cata -> Triforce -> Banshees/Frozen Heart/Randuin depending on the circumstances. If you go Randuin, then HoG somewhere is fine. Triforce should be your first major item. There's a massive spike in power once you complete it. You just run into the other team and CC-lock them down for your team. For boots, generally go Mercs. If they have no CC, Ionian or Graves are okay, but generally that shouldn't happen. For jungle Blitz, go Cloth+5 -> Wriggles -> Triforce -> Tank. Again, boots follow the same rule as above. Also, R should generally be saved until when it is absolutely necessary since the passive gives a lot of dps. Also, space out your W+Es for maximum damage. Finally, don't always initiate with Q. Sometimes it's just better to W, run into them, E someone (sometimes Flash-E Udyr style), then Q as they try to run. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
You should just have linked it - if you wanna change something now you will have to change it in 2 locations. BAD. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
On October 31 2011 05:45 NeoIllusions wrote: Wasn't Soaz M's AP? I don't remember him as a jungler. He was mostly top, if I'm not mistaken. Hopefully, Wetdream is only support. | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
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Hakker
United States1360 Posts
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JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=CDE vs Dignitas &month=10&day=30&year=2011&hour=22&min=00&sec=00&p0=417 Also, TOO's stream is hilarious. He's going on about how Jatt asked Chaox to join Dignitas during IPL or IEM and that's why they were calling him scumbag Jatt (guess it's not just the WCG stuff). | ||
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On October 31 2011 05:43 spinesheath wrote: Did you just straight up copy your own post MoonBear? You should just have linked it - if you wanna change something now you will have to change it in 2 locations. BAD. I pretty much just recited it. Is it that similar to what I posted before? On October 31 2011 05:45 NeoIllusions wrote: Wasn't Soaz M's AP? I don't remember him as a jungler. Solo-top. Played WW and Karthus mostly. You might remember him as that WW that got blue buff and then hung out around the mid-turret not giving a damn taunting the other team at DH. (I think it was v TSM in semifinals) | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On October 31 2011 05:31 JackDino wrote: Thing with manamune is, sheen gives you as much damage as a manamune would. A frozen heart would only give you about 10extra damage with a manamune, it's not that good. My understanding has always been that Manamune is only good on AD champs that spam skills. So like, Yorick or Corki (even though no one builds it on Corki anymore). Blitz doesn't spam spells and I never thought his passive was good enough to merit getting a Manamune. Also Dignitas vs. CDE is possibly starting at 7PM EDT. edit: JBright beat me and apparently I have the wrong time. So should be 10PM EDT? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On October 31 2011 06:02 JBright wrote: Someone made a countdown http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=CDE vs Dignitas &month=10&day=30&year=2011&hour=22&min=00&sec=00&p0=417 Also, TOO's stream is hilarious. He's going on about how Jatt asked Chaox to join Dignitas during IPL or IEM and that's why they were calling him scumbag Jatt (guess it's not just the WCG stuff). qtpie trolling TOO so hard right now. Pretty amusing. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On October 31 2011 05:28 MoonBear wrote: (Anivia is the only exception where having more mana than hp is ok imoimo). Not Ryze or Karthus? | ||
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BloodNinja
United States2791 Posts
On October 31 2011 06:19 WaveofShadow wrote: qtpie trolling TOO so hard right now. Pretty amusing. Just caught the end of that. TOO very mad now. Also reading the LoL boards white knight for TOO is GREAT right now. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On October 31 2011 06:05 MoonBear wrote: I pretty much just recited it. Is it that similar to what I posted before? No idea actually. I just remember that you called it a newb trap (exact wording might have been different) in both posts. I didn't really read either of those posts, hehe. | ||
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Oh, I don't play Ryze or Karthus. Forgot they existed hahaha. My baaaad~ On October 31 2011 06:19 zer0das wrote: Eh... Blitz's E is pretty spammable. I don't think manamune is really worth it, but it isn't horrible. Blitz's biggest threat in a fight is his burst damage. E is semi-spammable and so is W, but I don't think you can rely on them a lot in order to charge up a Tear for mid-game fights which matter for determining how the game snowballs. So, some mathcraft time.Let's say you're at level 9 when you finally max a skill and have Sheen. Doesn't matter what but normally you'd max E in lane, W in jungle. Burst damage from Sheen-proc E + Sheen-proc W + 1 hit of R passive + R is about 780 burst damage. At level 9, iirc no champions will have broken the 1500 hp mark without any hp items. (Using the calculation that Sheen is added onto E damage and not multiplying it all since both are treated as separate on-hit modifiers.) Without those Sheen procs but, say, +30 from a Manamune you've charged so far. (That's ~500 mana bonus, or half a Tear's worth so a lot of charging required.) Your burst damage from the exact same combo comes out to about 700. It's a noticeable difference. If the fight goes on for longer, the Sheen procs every 2 seconds also contribute more damage than +30 AD every autoattack. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
 Not disagreeing. | ||
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