EPTOn October 31 2011 06:44 zer0das wrote:
Which is pretty much supporting my comment.
Not disagreeing.
Which is pretty much supporting my comment.
Not disagreeing.I know. I just felt the urge to mathcraft. ^^;
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
I know. I just felt the urge to mathcraft. ^^; | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
Also how does sheen interact with other abilities that apply on hit effects? | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On October 31 2011 06:50 JackDino wrote: About blitz E and sheen, does it double the damage you get from sheen+your normal damage or does it double your normal damage then just give you your base damage on top of that? Also how does sheen interact with other abilities like GP parrley? It doubles your base damage then gives you base damage again. So essentially a Blitz E with sheen proc does triple your base damage+bonus AD. For abilities that do on-hit it's usually double base damage+bonus AD from items/ability. The scaling part is scaled off of your base damage, not the doubled base damage. | ||
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On October 31 2011 06:50 JackDino wrote: About blitz E and sheen, does it double the damage you get from sheen+your normal damage or does it double your normal damage then just give you your base damage on top of that? They should be treated as separate on-hit modifiers. So in total that means 3x base damage and not 4x. It's the same way Nasus Q is treated as a separate on-hit modifier. (If Q was boosted by Sheen that would be pretty hilarious though.) EDIT: So yah, basically what Ryuu said. Items+Runes+stuff not counted as part of base damage in calculation for Sheen. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
For example, 100 base damage, ability has a 2.0 ad ratio. Will it do 400 dmg or 300? Like mordekaiser Q with lichbane etc. | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
On October 31 2011 06:59 JackDino wrote: I know sheen doesn't scale off anything other than base damage, what I wanted to know is if an onhit ability has a 2.0 ad ratio, will it scale off base ad and ignore sheen damage for scaling, or calculate sheen damage. For example, 100 base damage, ability has a 2.0 ad ratio. Will it do 400 dmg or 300? 300 Blitz's powerfist is basically another sheen that takes into account items. so you'll deal 100 from attack, 100 from sheen, and 100 from powerfist | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On October 31 2011 06:59 JackDino wrote: I know sheen doesn't scale off anything other than base damage, what I wanted to know is if an onhit ability has a 2.0 ad ratio, will it scale off base ad and ignore sheen damage for scaling, or calculate sheen damage. For example, 100 base damage, ability has a 2.0 ad ratio. Will it do 400 dmg or 300? Like mordekaiser Q with lichbane etc. It scales off base and ignore sheen damage for scaling. Sheen is basically like an additional source of bonus AD. So basically say 100 base damage. Sheen proc adds another 100 damage Ability adds say 50 damage Ability scales with 1.5 AD so it'll add 150 damage. Total will be (100+100+50+150) 400 damage. | ||
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unichan
United States4223 Posts
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
Soraka rammus bottom lane. I was taric and the ranged AD was ashe, and the opponents ran Soraka rammus. We simply could not kill them, not even with a nocturne gank ._. Soo much armour | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On October 31 2011 07:39 57 Corvette wrote: So i am assuming my post just got missed because of the intense discussion going on, so I will just say it again. Soraka rammus bottom lane. I was taric and the ranged AD was ashe, and the opponents ran Soraka rammus. We simply could not kill them, not even with a nocturne gank ._. Soo much armour Why do you need to kill them? Just free farm ^_^ | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
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Gooey
United States944 Posts
On October 31 2011 07:39 57 Corvette wrote: So i am assuming my post just got missed because of the intense discussion going on, so I will just say it again. Soraka rammus bottom lane. I was taric and the ranged AD was ashe, and the opponents ran Soraka rammus. We simply could not kill them, not even with a nocturne gank ._. Soo much armour Soraka/rammus is like super mega ultra oldschool lane. Man that brings back memories  And, yeah, you don't need to kill them. Just farm minions. Make sure your support wards your brush, and just make that money. | ||
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UniversalSnip
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
On October 31 2011 08:14 Gooey wrote: Soraka/rammus is like super mega ultra oldschool lane. Man that brings back memories And, yeah, you don't need to kill them. Just farm minions. Make sure your support wards your brush, and just make that money. Yeahh well, Soraka's Q hurts a lot more now then it did then i can guess. | ||
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Craton
United States17251 Posts
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Gooey
United States944 Posts
On October 31 2011 08:24 UniversalSnip wrote: i just wanted to add i think manamune is garbage on everybody including yorick, corki, blitz and urgot. It's 'above cost' in efficiency but you can just buy chalice and get ungodly amounts of mana for the same cost as tears, then put the rest of your money towards a bloodthirster or infinity edge or brutalizer or something else that gives three times the stats per gold, plus you got free MR. It's not one of those things where the item gives an awkward stat combination, it just doesn't compete with the big ticket ad items. What it does do, though, is frees up your blue buff to an AP champion. Yorick and Urgot especially rely on ability spamming, so mana is very important to them. This is a 1 slot item that solves their entire mana issue alone. Lets say you have flat mana regen seals. That adds about 3.5 mp5, and chalice adds 7.5. That brings you up to 11mp/5. That is most likely the ONLY mana item you can afford to buy on those champions, so your base will stay 11 for all of time. The most you can get up to is 22mp5, assuming you drop to zero mana. Sure, that is nice, but it would take about 25 seconds to regen about 60 mana starting from max. That means that, with scaling, it will take up to 25 seconds for a spell that costs about 60 mana to be free of cost from mp5 in a teamfight (about the average cost of a spell for these two champs). Manamune alone just adds a base 350 mana, which is just flat free spells in a team fight. Add on the ability to get an extra 1k mana, and for the same cost of 1 inventory slot, you get 1350 mana, ~44 AD when fully farmed, and 7mp5 (we will say 10.5 mp/5 on this champion given flat mp5 yellows). In comparison, the chalice offers about 18mp/5 (assuming you keep your mana pool at around half) and 30mr. Remember, you can only afford one slot to mana efficiency, unless you get a late banshee's veil. 8mp/5 extra and 30 mr to sacrifice 1350 mana, as well as the potential for an extra 44AD. That is a massive in-slot difference. Not to mention, the damage gained from manamune is basically a BF sword, which costs 1650. The item is just so ridiculously good on these two champs when you really look at it. | ||
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Craton
United States17251 Posts
http://i.imgur.com/66iQ3.jpg Dunno if there are any codes left, but free experience boosts: http://www.alienwarearena.com/giveaway/lol-na-xp-boost-giveaway | ||
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Cow
Canada1104 Posts
On October 31 2011 09:09 Craton wrote: Dunno if there are any codes left, but free experience boosts: http://www.alienwarearena.com/giveaway/lol-na-xp-boost-giveaway They've been gone for the past 10 hours ): I was hoping to stock up on enough XP boosts to last 'til Lvl 30, have about half of what I think I'll be needing. | ||
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