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Bwaaaa
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia969 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 01:03:30
October 31 2011 00:59 GMT
#3101
For blitzcrank I always go ap because the burst is insane compared to ad variants. there is a really good guide on moba fire that will tell you all you need to know and then some.

My item build is usually this.

Regrowth+1pot>Philo>Boots1>Tear>Sheen>Boots2>Archangel'sStaff>GlacialShroud>Deathcap>LichBane>FrozenHeart>Banshee'sVeil or another ap item.

My final AP is around 500 so my R is doing TONS OF DAMAGE.
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
October 31 2011 01:08 GMT
#3102
On October 31 2011 08:24 UniversalSnip wrote:
i just wanted to add i think manamune is garbage on everybody including yorick, corki, blitz and urgot. It's 'above cost' in efficiency but you can just buy chalice and get ungodly amounts of mana for the same cost as tears, then put the rest of your money towards a bloodthirster or infinity edge or brutalizer or something else that gives three times the stats per gold, plus you got free MR. It's not one of those things where the item gives an awkward stat combination, it just doesn't compete with the big ticket ad items.


did you really try out chalice on corki?
useless and takes up a slot where you won't get any damage
if you play corki like you should in a battle you use all your spells on cooldown, all the time (except maybe, MAYBE valkyrie), your base mana pool doesn't allow that even with chalice

if you don't wanna play this style because you need an early-mid game edge or it's a very tight game or something, then just skip chalice altogether because it slows getting your bf sword/triforce part

btw you don't have to finish manamune, tear doesnt cost much more than chalice, while it lets you spam more than chalice

i forgot to write if you have tears you can do batshit crazy spellfarming, this lets you take jungle camps/steal the opponent's jungle, and makes you push faster


meanwhile a maxed manamune at lvl 18 + triforce gives:
20+ (1350+900+300)*0.02 = 71 dmg which is not bad at all + infinite mana

i think it competes with the big ad items.. especially when a big part of dmg is coming from your mana converted into spells
And all is illuminated.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
October 31 2011 01:11 GMT
#3103
Looking forward to the CDE vs Dignitas match tonight at 1030 EDT? Rooting for CDE mostly because I like TSM and CLG than the whole drama.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
October 31 2011 01:21 GMT
#3104
wcgate 2011
twitch.tv/cratonz
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 01:32:59
October 31 2011 01:26 GMT
#3105
On October 31 2011 09:59 Bwaaaa wrote:
For blitzcrank I always go ap because the burst is insane compared to ad variants. there is a really good guide on moba fire that will tell you all you need to know and then some.

My item build is usually this.

Regrowth+1pot>Philo>Boots1>Tear>Sheen>Boots2>Archangel'sStaff>GlacialShroud>Deathcap>LichBane>FrozenHeart>Banshee'sVeil or another ap item.

My final AP is around 500 so my R is doing TONS OF DAMAGE.

I just read that Blitz guide on Mobafire. While I can understand why people might go AP Blitz, I just don't think it's optimal. And even for AP Blitz, I just can't get myself to like that build. You spend ~2k gold before getting your Sheen which means you have this large lull in power before you're really a threat. If a dragon fight breaks out, you have to rely on your base stats and you're not Lee Sin or Jarman IV who have great base damages with few items.

It also takes a while for you to charge up Tear because Blitz isn't as spammy as other Tear champs like Karthus/Yorick who can use a spell every second or so. There's also no survivability until your Glacial Shroud (nearly 6k gold into your build) and your only HP item is a Banshee's Veil at the very end, which is dangerous on a melee champion with no dash/blink. That means you can get kited and then exploded pretty darn fast. Your passive should never be counted for survivability.

Going AP also means you have a lot of up front burst but once your Q and R are used up there's not much else. Q is also an unreliable source of damage let alone the pull itself and going AP wastes the massive AS boost you get from W. Granted, Lichbane means you do a lot of damage. But by that point, you're 11.6(!)k gold into your build. With 11.6k Gold, I think any champions could pull off a Lichbane build and do decent damage. Additionally, what can AP Blitz do better than another AP Carry with 11.6k gold? If you want someone who can trololol into the enemy team and kill stuff, Karthus kinda does the same thing. A farmed Karthus should just melt everyone. If it's the pull you want, then that's a very gimmicky start you run which sacrifices a lot of "explode them really fast" damage for a pull. Sure, Blitz can blow someone up with his spells, but then so can Brand/Annie/etc. and they can pull out another big spell rotation much faster and don't have to get into someone's face to do it.

If AP Blitzcrank works for you, then more power to you. I won't stop you from playing AP Blitz. But at the same time, it's not something I could encourage nor recommend.

Re Chalice on Corki: One problem with Corki is not that he needs massive amount of mana regen, it's that he burns through that mana really fast, especially if he's already been using spells to quickly push a lane. What you buy when you get Tears/Manamune isn't just the regen, but also a large buffer of mana that means you can keep going like the Energizer Bunny. While I haven't tried Chalice before, what I can say from experience is that I do like having a large buffer of mana for when I suddenly need to unload absolutely everything all at once. At level 16, Corki only has 835 mana base. Using a Phosphorus Bomb +3 Rockets + Gattling Gun is already about half of that mana pool gone instantly in a fight. If you've been pushing a lane hard with spells, it's not inconceivable you'd run out of mana for a sudden Valkyrie. Sure, you may regen it soon, but it's more about the mana you have right here and now than anything else.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 01:39:19
October 31 2011 01:29 GMT
#3106
Oh wow Phreak is streaming. Also need to look up how to disable names above healthbars.
http://www.own3d.tv/live/5046/Phreak_-_League_of_Legends

Kind of funny how he doesn't get angry at his teammates when he thinks they're playing badly. Makes sense of course, but you expect internet rage with commentary.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
October 31 2011 01:32 GMT
#3107
On October 31 2011 10:29 BlackMagister wrote:
Oh wow Phreak is streaming. Also need to look up how to disable names above healthbars.
http://www.own3d.tv/live/5046/Phreak_-_League_of_Legends

Shift-K should do it.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
October 31 2011 01:42 GMT
#3108
On October 31 2011 09:37 Cow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 09:09 Craton wrote:
Dunno if there are any codes left, but free experience boosts: http://www.alienwarearena.com/giveaway/lol-na-xp-boost-giveaway

They've been gone for the past 10 hours ):

I was hoping to stock up on enough XP boosts to last 'til Lvl 30, have about half of what I think I'll be needing.

They are pretty pointless anyway, though. You probably will wanna be learning how to carry games singlehandedly before going into ranked, just so you're not stuck in elo hell forever. Unless you are extremely good, this will probably take a couple hundred of games, so where's the point in rushing to level 30?

Then again, they are free. It'd probably even be more pointless not to get them. I just strongly dislike the XP boosts themselves as they're a waste of RP.
currently rooting for myself.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 02:05:46
October 31 2011 01:57 GMT
#3109
Ah they're joining the lobby for the WCG game now, but EG MC still on.
Edit: Nvm they just waiting around/doing a test game.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 02:04:55
October 31 2011 02:04 GMT
#3110
On October 31 2011 10:57 BlackMagister wrote:
Ah they're joining the lobby for the WCG game now, but EG MC still on.


You can open two browser windows and watch both. Best if you have two monitors, but not needed ^_^

Also: Dignitas Hwaiting!
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
October 31 2011 02:04 GMT
#3111
Hello,

Was just rewatching the patch preview. Phreak's new Shaco trollbuild is 5x Crit Cloaks. Seems reasonable given the changes. Opinions?
FADC
Theoren
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada810 Posts
October 31 2011 02:13 GMT
#3112
Jatt being a bitch about letting hotshot stream again, even with a 3 minute delay.
isM
Profile Joined September 2010
United States735 Posts
October 31 2011 02:13 GMT
#3113
"NICEWCGRULESMATT" #1 name of CDE vs Dignitas
Loose lips sink ships
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
October 31 2011 02:14 GMT
#3114
On October 31 2011 11:13 Theoren wrote:
Jatt being a bitch about letting hotshot stream again, even with a 3 minute delay.


I swear it's like Dignitas wants everyone to hate them.
asdfjh
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada230 Posts
October 31 2011 02:14 GMT
#3115
wow. CDE vs D already heating up...
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 02:17:01
October 31 2011 02:16 GMT
#3116
What the heck can you do with a 3 minute delay ghosting?

"They doing baron 3 minutes ago!" "There was a ward here but now it's gone."
I suppose the ward thing is the only thing important since you know when they might want to replace the wards...
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
October 31 2011 02:19 GMT
#3117
where is that match played? stream link?
hasuprotoss
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States4612 Posts
October 31 2011 02:20 GMT
#3118
http://clgaming.net

I know Saintvicious is streaming, Dyrus, Regi, Chauster, and Xpecial may all be streaming as well.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?viewdays=0&show_part=5 <--- Articles Section on TL
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
October 31 2011 02:22 GMT
#3119
HSGG is casting it from saintvicious POV. I think Salce is also commentating on it.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 02:39:50
October 31 2011 02:38 GMT
#3120
of course i tried chalice on corki, it's actually insane. Don't knock it. It doesn't matter if manamune is giving you a solid amount of ad... It's never gonna come even close to the value spending the tear ---> mune gold working on a iedge/phantom dancer/thirster would give. @goeey: chalice counts your native mana regen as well. Ignoring runes/masteries if yo have 6.5 native mana regen and go oom with a chalice it'll be giving you 21 mp5. That's like four doran's sring of mana uigens and half the cost of the item is mr, that's absurdly efficient. u hmave6.J a phone is throwing out random characters can't delete them sorry
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
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