What do people not get about the fact that they will not add Lurkers, they're tech position is just not in sync with the meta-game. They were planned as Hive Tech, and with units like the Colossi and Blink Stalkers, Void Rays, and Marauders they will be no where as strong as in Brood War. Fungal Growth only holds for 4 seconds, and if you are going to repeatedly cast it the DPS of a Lurker is already meaningless on most units. I understand fire while burrowed, but something exactly like the Lurker is not going to happen.

I want a SERIOUS air-casting unit (no Mothership v.2 please) for any race except Zerg (doesn't seem to fit with the idea).

FortyOzs

189 Posts

July 02 2011 21:50 GMT

#182

I think Terran needs a good lategame unit that can either make Mech viable or make bio viable late game, Protoss needs a micro-intensive harass unit, and Zerg needs a unit that can attack while burrowed. That's what I'm guessing at least.

Tigi

Germany472 Posts

July 02 2011 21:52 GMT

#183

On July 03 2011 06:50 ampson wrote:
The results of the poll are stupid. Protoss already has colossi, they do not need any more ground artillery. Why would people vote for that?

They vote because they want reaver back, because reaver is <3

FearTheReaperMan

154 Posts

July 02 2011 21:52 GMT

#184

Terran needs infestors then ill be happy

Pulimuli

Sweden2766 Posts

July 02 2011 21:58 GMT

#185

On July 03 2011 06:50 FortyOzs wrote:
I think Terran needs a good lategame unit that can either make Mech viable or make bio viable late game, Protoss needs a micro-intensive harass unit, and Zerg needs a unit that can attack while burrowed. That's what I'm guessing at least.

soo... Vulture+spidermines, Reaver and Lurker?

Noocta

France12578 Posts

July 02 2011 21:58 GMT

#186

On July 03 2011 06:50 iTzAnglory wrote:
What do people not get about the fact that they will not add Lurkers, they're tech position is just not in sync with the meta-game. They were planned as Hive Tech, and with units like the Colossi and Blink Stalkers, Void Rays, and Marauders they will be no where as strong as in Brood War. Fungal Growth only holds for 4 seconds, and if you are going to repeatedly cast it the DPS of a Lurker is already meaningless on most units. I understand fire while burrowed, but something exactly like the Lurker is not going to happen.

I want a SERIOUS air-casting unit (no Mothership v.2 please) for any race except Zerg (doesn't seem to fit with the idea).

People want lurker because what it did in BW is exactly what zerg need atm.
omething that punish player for not having detection / something to hold a position / a more defensive unit

But yeah, lurker themselves won't fit. Blizzard need to make something new that fit the role.

skrzmark

United States1528 Posts

July 02 2011 21:59 GMT

#187

Protoss needs a better Anti Air unit.

Shichibukai

Sweden355 Posts

July 02 2011 22:02 GMT

#188

Really would like some melee unit(s) for terran. Just not the mecha-cats from the campaign...
The question is, should it be armored or light?

Surprised to see so many votes for Ground artillery (ex. Reaver) for Protoss, isn't the Colossus filling that role quite nicely (i.e. outranging cannons, spines and PF's)?

Remove/revamp overseer, give zerg a new aerial spellcaster with more in-battle functionality - see Raven.
Just give zerg more units in general, they're behind!
I'd like to see a zerg ground unit with a reverse Graviton beam (wc3 crypt fiend web, or raider net) to help with early banshees/void rays. Give it low enough dps/hp to be a waste of resources if it can't use its spell(s) - like a sentry. Maybe have it able to cliffwalk too (or cliff-jump, zerg are agile no? ^^), for maximum void ray tears.

MK4512

Canada938 Posts

July 02 2011 22:08 GMT

#189

Please Please PLEASE something like the reaver... I need some kind of harrass that I have a chance of not losing... (DTS and Pheonix... nothing like blue flame, marine drops, or baneling drops t.t)

Rawr

Sweden624 Posts

July 02 2011 22:11 GMT

#190

I don't think that zerg will get the scourge back. In sc2, there is no moving shot (yes there is phoenix) for any air unit. That means it would be almost impossible to get a shot off without taking hits from them. The phoenix would be untouchable and all other air units would have no chance. A unit that can control an area is more likely.

I hope that the colossus gets removed or reworked in some way.

I can't really say anything about terran.

Elefanto

Switzerland3584 Posts

July 02 2011 22:11 GMT

#191

Zergs needs a microable unit that punishs bad control
Protoss needs a harass unit out of the robo
Terran needs a second good spellcaster (ghost is fine, raven is trash)

Malpractice.248

United States734 Posts

July 02 2011 22:14 GMT

#192

Its funny that everyone thinks itll be sc1 units; when theyve clearly said they want it to feel like a different game.
the chances of them adding in more sc1 units is slim to null.

Novabuzz

Germany23 Posts

July 02 2011 22:15 GMT

#193

Protoss needs a new detection method imo :/

AndAgain

United States2621 Posts

July 02 2011 22:16 GMT

#194

As Day9 said, SC2 needs units that allow you to control space. I that's the key reason as to why we're seeing army balls vs army balls. You need to have your army together in case your opponent attacks you with his whole army. Things like mines, dark swarm, and lurkers is what allowed you to separate your army.

Crisium

United States1618 Posts

July 02 2011 22:16 GMT

#195

On July 02 2011 20:17 sabas123 wrote:
T: a better anti air unit besides from marines

This is the best idea in the thread. Many Terran users would like the possibility to transition out of marines, but they can't. Marines are the only rapid-fire anti-air unit for the Terran with a cooldown of .86 or .57 stimmed. Vikings have a slow, 2.0 cooldown shot, leading to massive overkill. Thors have the super-slow, 3.0 cooldown shot which as effective as the splash is, cannot stand against mutas (or anything else) alone.

Terran need a ground unit with an anti-air rate of fire between 1.2 and 1.5 cooldown. Goliath could fulfill this role, but Blizzard can be creative if they want. But Marines are a requirement for Terran and I would like that requirement removed.

Endymion

United States3701 Posts

July 02 2011 22:17 GMT

#196

I think it would be pretty awesome if they straight up replaced the thor with the goliath.. They already hinted at removing the overseer though, so I'm sure zerg will get some air caster unit.

thebole1

Serbia126 Posts

July 02 2011 22:27 GMT

#197

This is either the most stupid motherfucker at TL, or one of the more creative trollers I've seen here atleast.
Like every single word is misspelled >.>
"BANGLINGS"?
Maybe he's just a kid and I shouldn't be too mean..
I hope you have a nice time now before school starts and that you grow up to be a strong man, buddy. Remember to eat your vegetables.

i am 24age... also stady and do sports... i play game for fun.... but i expect much more from SC2...

whont to say game is bad becouse : DINAMIC PATHING .. A move unites (no micro)....Low supply armys = colloss=6pop thors=6pop....on and on...(low pop army but fast producing)

whay everybody like BW unites to bring back in SC2...? they are less pop unites thay are good micro intesive unites... thay are bw unites and SC1 =EPIC GAME SC2 = Little bether then EA game...sry for my ENG...thx for reading...

also i didnt whatch SC2 games before i by SC2 (i thouth it was good game) but i will whatch HOTS... and then dicide if i am gona by it...

TheDougler

Canada8310 Posts

July 02 2011 22:35 GMT

#198

I think the poll selections are pretty bad...

Lurker and "artilery unit" are actually reasonably similar in function for example. And I don't think we're gonna see any of those for protoss but rather get a new defenisive unit. It CAN'T be like the sentry because the sentry is fine for offence as well, it has to really shine in defense, like how zerg is just defensive in general (creep, queens, burrow, repositional defenses, importance of expansions), and how terran CAN play defensive (bunkers, supply depots and tanks which allow defense but can then be used to make way for the offensive push as well). Meanwhile, PvP still suffers slightly as a matchup because of a complete lack of defensive presence (photon cannons arn't good enough against blink stalkers).

I'm not saying toss absolutely NEEDS a defensive unit, but it would add a lot more depth to PvP I think.

kappadevin

United States284 Posts

July 02 2011 22:42 GMT

#199

There was an interview somewhere (I can't find the link) with blizzard where they talked about some of the units that could be removed in HotS. The two that I remember them specifically mentioning was the Overseer and the Raven, as they felt they weren't fufilling the roles they had originally designed them for.

The things I really think they'll add are as follows:
Z: 1: A tier 1 scouting unit, either a quick flying unit that doesn't attack, or a cliff walking unit perhaps. Potentially an upgrade from the zergling or roach that comes from the Pool/Warren.
2: A mid game space controlling unit, something to slow down pushes(an upgrade from Hydras maybe, though not the lurker. Something with long range splash.)
P: 1: A harassment unit likely to come from the Robo. Something that is fast moving.
T: 1: A new factory unit, with strong AA (no splash). Potentially light armored and quick moving, and would likely not require a tech lab (for quick reactor style production).