EPTOn October 18 2011 19:42 brachester wrote:
tsl_popori? Are you a new player from tsl?
tsl_popori? Are you a new player from tsl?
I think he is a manager.
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rUiNati0n
United States1155 Posts
I think he is a manager. | ||
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brachester
Australia1786 Posts
then that would be coach lee then why popori? | ||
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TSL_Porori
Korea (South)17 Posts
Heart doesn't speak english well. I sometimes help him when he needs my help And I like TSL team, so I make my nick "TSL_Porori" I'm not a TSL team member. Only chobo >_< Heart has twitter account! http://twitter.com/TSL_Heart | ||
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brachester
Australia1786 Posts
On October 19 2011 01:56 TSL_Porori wrote: Actually, I'm just his friend^-^ Heart doesn't speak english well. I sometimes help him when he needs my help And I like TSL team, so I make my nick "TSL_Porori" I'm not a TSL team member. Only chobo >_< Heart has twitter account! http://twitter.com/TSL_Heart OHOOOOHHHH!!! TSL fighting!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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eleaf
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36399 Posts
Yes, this standard is lower than the international one, as there is no unified league like GSL that provides a standard for us to draw a line. Therefore, there will be foreigner players who are featured who skillwise are objectively worse than Heart. However, pure skill is not the only factor we take into consideration when featuring streams. Destiny is a good example of this. Many of you may ask, what about Dragon? Why is he featured? Well, he was featured before we had these standards, and now has a huge following and we don't really feel it would be fair to defeature him at this point, so we keep him. I suppose he lucked out in that way. I also do not appreciate the insulting PMs / emails about this issue, they are not really helping. The instant Heart makes code A or plays a bunch more games in GSTL then we will feature him very quickly. | ||
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whomps
3 Posts
On October 19 2011 11:44 Hot_Bid wrote: Currently our featured standards for Koreans are Code A or significant games in GSTL. Heart does not meet either of these standards. The reason these exist is because we cannot feature every player in every Korean team, and there has to be a line drawn somewhere. You can argue the bar should be lower, but its very difficult to judge between Korean players and this will certainly be an issue that comes up more than just this time. Yes, this standard is lower than the international one, as there is no unified league like GSL that provides a standard for us to draw a line. Therefore, there will be foreigner players who are featured who skillwise are objectively worse than Heart. However, pure skill is not the only factor we take into consideration when featuring streams. Destiny is a good example of this. Many of you may ask, what about Dragon? Why is he featured? Well, he was featured before we had these standards, and now has a huge following and we don't really feel it would be fair to defeature him at this point, so we keep him. I suppose he lucked out in that way. I also do not appreciate the insulting PMs / emails about this issue, they are not really helping. The instant Heart makes code A or plays a bunch more games in GSTL then we will feature him very quickly. This is the dumbest possible thing you could have done. Nice job sticking to standards that even you see as flawed. GL with your decision making goals in 2012. | ||
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eleaf
526 Posts
On October 19 2011 11:44 Hot_Bid wrote: Currently our featured standards for Koreans are Code A or significant games in GSTL. Heart does not meet either of these standards. The reason these exist is because we cannot feature every player in every Korean team, and there has to be a line drawn somewhere. You can argue the bar should be lower, but its very difficult to judge between Korean players and this will certainly be an issue that comes up more than just this time. Yes, this standard is lower than the international one, as there is no unified league like GSL that provides a standard for us to draw a line. Therefore, there will be foreigner players who are featured who skillwise are objectively worse than Heart. However, pure skill is not the only factor we take into consideration when featuring streams. Destiny is a good example of this. Many of you may ask, what about Dragon? Why is he featured? Well, he was featured before we had these standards, and now has a huge following and we don't really feel it would be fair to defeature him at this point, so we keep him. I suppose he lucked out in that way. I also do not appreciate the insulting PMs / emails about this issue, they are not really helping. The instant Heart makes code A or plays a bunch more games in GSTL then we will feature him very quickly. I'm actually glad that TL set up 'rules' to featured stream. I think it should be more transparent in the whole process coz TL is actually a portal for starcraft II, which means streams attract viewers/popularity once they are featured, not vice versa. Destiny is a very good example of this  One thing that I think TL overlook is that once a player is in Code A/S, he might actually stream less coz GSL match is kind of a close fight and you dont want to show your habit to your opponent when preparing the matches. We see Huk stream much less once he become the ace of ogs. We also see that SeleCT/Byun... stream fewer and fewer each time they advance in GSL. GSL match is very brutal and you can only have one chance so ppl are trying so hard to cover themselves. So the whole thing to feature a GSL code A/S player may actually become meaningless in the end: Code A-> featured -> mass viewer -> stop streaming. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
No Code S Korean players stream really, all the ex Zenex players stopped and barely any Code A/S players will stream because they don't want to give away their strats. I think all Korean players should be encouraged to stream here, and I know Heart gets down when he sees how low the viewer count is, so these super strict rules, which don't seem to apply to foreign streamers, might discourage people like Heart from streaming at all which would be a shame. | ||
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whomps
3 Posts
On October 19 2011 12:27 AxionSteel wrote: I thought Team Liquid was all about bringing the Korean and International Starcraft communities closer together, breaking down those barriers that existed in Brood War. It makes absolutely no sense to me that a Korean streamer has a much tougher set of rules to meet than a foreign player, if anything, Koreans should be encouraged to stream here since not that many do. No Code S Korean players stream really, all the ex Zenex players stopped, and barely any Code A/S players will stream because they don't want to give away their strats. I think all Korean players should be encouraged to stream here, and I know Heart gets down when he sees how low the viewer count is, so these super strict rules, which don't seem to apply to foreign streamers, might discourage people like Heart from streaming at all which would be a shame. I like you as a person and agree with your opinion. | ||
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TSL_Porori
Korea (South)17 Posts
Qualifying code A is next week. So he decide that he concentrates on qualifying code A. temporary, He stopped streaming when he gets code A. Heart really wants to meet you, soon. Cheer him, please >_< | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
 Good Luck for Code A Heart! | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On October 19 2011 13:07 TSL_Porori wrote: Heart understand TL's message. Qualifying code A is next week. So he decide that he concentrates on qualifying code A. temporary, He stopped streaming when he gets code A. Heart really wants to meet you, soon. Cheer him, please >_< Good luck heart <3. I think the Code A only rule is stupid as they don´t really stream anymore when they are code A, but TLs site TLs rule. I just wish they were more transparent with the rules. I'm quite disappointed | ||
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On October 19 2011 11:44 Hot_Bid wrote: Currently our featured standards for Koreans are Code A or significant games in GSTL. Heart does not meet either of these standards. The reason these exist is because we cannot feature every player in every Korean team, and there has to be a line drawn somewhere. You can argue the bar should be lower, but its very difficult to judge between Korean players and this will certainly be an issue that comes up more than just this time. Yes, this standard is lower than the international one, as there is no unified league like GSL that provides a standard for us to draw a line. Therefore, there will be foreigner players who are featured who skillwise are objectively worse than Heart. However, pure skill is not the only factor we take into consideration when featuring streams. Destiny is a good example of this. Many of you may ask, what about Dragon? Why is he featured? Well, he was featured before we had these standards, and now has a huge following and we don't really feel it would be fair to defeature him at this point, so we keep him. I suppose he lucked out in that way. I also do not appreciate the insulting PMs / emails about this issue, they are not really helping. The instant Heart makes code A or plays a bunch more games in GSTL then we will feature him very quickly. In the earlier quote from Plexa, popularity was specified as a criteria for featuring. In my time watching TSL-Heart's stream, I've seen him get up to ~100 viewers (someone else on stream chat said he's peaked around 150) which is as much as I see on some featured SC2 streams. So, I'm wondering, how popular is popular? On October 19 2011 13:07 TSL_Porori wrote: Heart understand TL's message. Qualifying code A is next week. So he decide that he concentrates on qualifying code A. temporary, He stopped streaming when he gets code A. Heart really wants to meet you, soon. Cheer him, please >_< Tell him we appreciate the time he spent streaming for us and we'll all be cheering for him to make code A! <3 | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36399 Posts
On October 19 2011 12:08 whomps wrote: This is the dumbest possible thing you could have done. Nice job sticking to standards that even you see as flawed. GL with your decision making goals in 2012. You clearly didn't read my post because we have different standards now, but Dragon was featured back when standards were looser. The options are defeature Dragon or keep him, obviously keeping is a better option so we keep him. Seems like a pretty reasonable thing to do, if we were really hardline we'd just defeature Dragon. I don't see how we're sticking to flawed standards, we're just grandfathering in someone who was featured under wrong standards earlier. It's actually the opposite of what you say here. | ||
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brachester
Australia1786 Posts
On October 19 2011 13:43 Hot_Bid wrote: You clearly didn't read my post because we have different standards now, but Dragon was featured back when standards were looser. The options are defeature Dragon or keep him, obviously keeping is a better option so we keep him. Seems like a pretty reasonable thing to do, if we were really hardline we'd just defeature Dragon. I don't see how we're sticking to flawed standards, we're just grandfathering in someone who was featured under wrong standards earlier. It's actually the opposite of what you say here. Are there any other exceptions for him since he's significantly high ranking in KR GM ladder? | ||
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eleaf
526 Posts
On October 19 2011 13:07 TSL_Porori wrote: Heart understand TL's message. Qualifying code A is next week. So he decide that he concentrates on qualifying code A. temporary, He stopped streaming when he gets code A. Heart really wants to meet you, soon. Cheer him, please >_< Getting code A through Korean qualifier needs not only skill but luck. Wish he could make it but if not, dont be sad. Just keep streaming more and more ppl will realize his skill and attitude and support him. | ||
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whomps
3 Posts
On October 19 2011 13:43 Hot_Bid wrote: You clearly didn't read my post because we have different standards now, but Dragon was featured back when standards were looser. The options are defeature Dragon or keep him, obviously keeping is a better option so we keep him. Seems like a pretty reasonable thing to do, if we were really hardline we'd just defeature Dragon. I don't see how we're sticking to flawed standards, we're just grandfathering in someone who was featured under wrong standards earlier. It's actually the opposite of what you say here. You clearly didn't read any posts in this thread because it's obvious that you're not only completely oblivious to your own "criteria", but also to the demands of the users on this forum. "Our policy for korean stream is they must satisfy one of the following requirements: - Code A - Significant playtime in GSTL - Popular stream At the moment heart satisfies none of these requirements so unfortunately I cannot feature him." The last few times he has streamed, the viewer count was up to 150. That's more than a handful of currently featured streamers. Apparently the whole "popular" thing is crap too. Let's not get started on the skill difference and the quality of the content being displayed either. And despite the obvious cries from the community to feature this guy as well as the "insulting PMs / emails" that you are receiving, you still refuse to feature him. Why is this so hard to get through your head? He's a successful Korean pro gamer who is highly ranked on the KR GM ladder. It's not uncommon for him to be playing against other great players on the ladder that also happen to be fan favorites (ie MKP.) In return, it's a treat for the viewers and the community. Based on your actions, it's obvious you could care less about that but please do refrain from letting your own personal struggles get in the way of other people's enjoyment. There's very few professional Korean streamers as it is and you decided to turn down a player that's trying his very hardest to be featured. And as of now, he's decided to stop streaming so no one has benefited from it in the end. Brilliant, to say the least. Once again, GL in your decision making goals in 2012. User was warned for this post | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36399 Posts
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On October 20 2011 07:18 Hot_Bid wrote: You really should learn to communicate without insulting others, it's not helping. I don't think your super strict rules for Korean players are helping, either. So few Koreans stream anyway, and the ones in Code A and above don't stream because they don't want to give away their strategies. All this will do is turn away excellent players like Heart (there is no better terran streamer on this site). It just makes no sense that any random semi-pro foreigner with no achievements or popularity can get featured, yet a super skilled Korean GM, on a top team, who plays in GSTL, can not. I guess TL really doesn't want to bring the Korean and TL communities closer together. | ||
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