[Stream] TSLHeart

On October 10 2011 15:21 CuSToM wrote:
lol he is copying the stream chat into google translate

how cute haha

On October 12 2011 22:58 Sarang wrote:
You guys realise the mods probably just haven't gotten around to featuring him yet, right?

Every other korean pro has been featured, there's absolutely no reason why they wouldn't feature Heart. Just give it some more time.

On October 13 2011 04:09 Hall0wed wrote:


No, Hot_bid outright refused him a featured spot. And hot_bid seems to be dodging PMs about it now. It is rediculous.

On October 12 2011 22:58 Sarang wrote:
You guys realise the mods probably just haven't gotten around to featuring him yet, right?

Every other korean pro has been featured, there's absolutely no reason why they wouldn't feature Heart. Just give it some more time.

On October 12 2011 21:50 xjoehammerx wrote:
Decision to not feature him makes 0 sense. Heart just started his stream a couple of minutes ago; featured Terrans that are also streaming are Fuzer and SarenS. Don't think I need to say anything more than that.

On October 13 2011 09:29 AxionSteel wrote:


I think that does say it all indeed
Oh well, I'll do my best to remember to check the unfeatured section for him, even though its not natural for me to look there. He could quite possibly be the best Terran streamer ATM, I don't think the likes of jinro and slayersdragon are better :p

On October 13 2011 13:08 neptunesak wrote:
so little viewers

On October 14 2011 16:27 Hall0wed wrote:
I have PMed multiple admins (gave each a day to reply before trying a different one) with very manner PMs and I still have no responses from any of them. Incredibly rude.

And I have seen them on twitter and such plenty, so don't tell me they don't have time to reply or just simply set Heart's stream as "Featured".

On October 15 2011 16:49 Carryz wrote:
Can we at least get an answer from the mods as to why they refuse to feature one of the best players that is streaming from Korea?

If you're not going to feature him after countless PMs from other users, at least take the 30 seconds out of your day to type one sentence why he isn't being streamed.

It's really not that difficult.

On October 17 2011 11:08 rUiNati0n wrote:
This stream is so good. Heart is a really good Terran. It is a shame that he doesn't get more viewers. That said, I don't think we should bash the mods or Hotbid for not featuring him. I'm sure there is some reason.

On October 17 2011 13:48 eleaf wrote:
I believe there are some TL personal involvement in featuring his stream. Yet I have to keep poping up his stream so everyone in TL know this great player and can learn from him.

On October 17 2011 14:23 JoeJin wrote:
Although I don't actually have the real reason, I believe there is a good reason behind this. Just pitching it out there; but it could be that they don't want to thin out the privilege of actually being "Featured". The amount of things that give you the ability to be featured or stand out more is becoming more and more common, You can be somewhat to a version of featured if you decide to stream a tournament in play, or do some of the events that are taking place, like "Dota 2 Beta", "Diablo III" and the like of what was going on for the past couple of weeks.

There is probably a large influx of people being featured recently, and they are tightening the noose so to speak on the ways and the method of which they give people the "Featured" Perk (too much FPS.) Not long ago there weren't really that many people that were featured, there was pretty much 3-4 options that you got throughout the day, but if you look at prime-time, there is probably about 10-12 people that are "Featured" that are streaming, this would really filter out the amount of people watching which makes being "Featured" less and less special.

It would never be a good idea to actually take someone down from being featured, because there would probably be a giant backlash from some of the cult-like followers of some of the streamers (Not saying that as a bad thing, just more of what some stream viewers act like.) So what they are probably doing is; instead of giving anyone who is amazing at SC2 auto-featured status, they probably monitor it, and decide to feature them through a process. Whilst also finding ways to keep the amount of Featured people down from a number that they would believe to be too high.

I really like watching TSLHeart Stream, he is a great Terran player that constantly practices, and looks for mistakes in his play, which makes him a good player to try and model yourself after, however I am not too tiffed that he isn't Featured yet, for the simple reason that I am able to actually watch his stream. I feel it is like finding a piece of "Underground Music." where you find a little golden nugget, something that not many people have found, and is something that you can appreciate more BECAUSE you find yourself to be one of the few that actually took the extra step to find that nugget.

I do agree to a point, that TSLHeart might be able to get more money (You don't become insanely rich streaming, it's more of something you do as a hobby (UNLESS YOUR AN EXCEPTION, Destiny is probably the main exception...)) if he became featured, however, for the time being, I feel good that it seems like I'm going somewhat against the grain, and watching one of the non-featured streams for a change.

TLDR; The Mods probably have a good reason to not feature him right away.

On October 17 2011 14:23 JoeJin wrote:
Although I don't actually have the real reason, I believe there is a good reason behind this. Just pitching it out there; but it could be that they don't want to thin out the privilege of actually being "Featured". The amount of things that give you the ability to be featured or stand out more is becoming more and more common, You can be somewhat to a version of featured if you decide to stream a tournament in play, or do some of the events that are taking place, like "Dota 2 Beta", "Diablo III" and the like of what was going on for the past couple of weeks.

There is probably a large influx of people being featured recently, and they are tightening the noose so to speak on the ways and the method of which they give people the "Featured" Perk (too much FPS.) Not long ago there weren't really that many people that were featured, there was pretty much 3-4 options that you got throughout the day, but if you look at prime-time, there is probably about 10-12 people that are "Featured" that are streaming, this would really filter out the amount of people watching which makes being "Featured" less and less special.

It would never be a good idea to actually take someone down from being featured, because there would probably be a giant backlash from some of the cult-like followers of some of the streamers (Not saying that as a bad thing, just more of what some stream viewers act like.) So what they are probably doing is; instead of giving anyone who is amazing at SC2 auto-featured status, they probably monitor it, and decide to feature them through a process. Whilst also finding ways to keep the amount of Featured people down from a number that they would believe to be too high.

I really like watching TSLHeart Stream, he is a great Terran player that constantly practices, and looks for mistakes in his play, which makes him a good player to try and model yourself after, however I am not too tiffed that he isn't Featured yet, for the simple reason that I am able to actually watch his stream. I feel it is like finding a piece of "Underground Music." where you find a little golden nugget, something that not many people have found, and is something that you can appreciate more BECAUSE you find yourself to be one of the few that actually took the extra step to find that nugget.

I do agree to a point, that TSLHeart might be able to get more money (You don't become insanely rich streaming, it's more of something you do as a hobby (UNLESS YOUR AN EXCEPTION, Destiny is probably the main exception...)) if he became featured, however, for the time being, I feel good that it seems like I'm going somewhat against the grain, and watching one of the non-featured streams for a change.

TLDR; The Mods probably have a good reason to not feature him right away.

On October 18 2011 03:54 Chill wrote:

Our featured streamer policy and procedure is under review. To say the least, it's a mess.

On October 18 2011 07:21 Cokefreak wrote:
I asked Plexa about featuring Heart when he first started streaming and got the following answer regarding TL.net policy for featuring Koreans:


So basically he is not known enough in the foreign community to be featured I guess?

EDIT: Added date tag.

On October 18 2011 04:13 xjoehammerx wrote:
This is from Chill in response to my question in the "ask TL mods anything" thread:

On October 18 2011 07:21 Cokefreak wrote:
I asked Plexa about featuring Heart when he first started streaming and got the following answer regarding TL.net policy for featuring Koreans:


So basically he is not known enough in the foreign community to be featured I guess?

EDIT: Added date tag.

On October 18 2011 12:25 windsupernova wrote:
Why is this guy not featured? I have missed all his streams >

I don't know who should I be more disappointed, in the community who is not watching one of the most skilled streamers up to date, or TL who gives priority to popularity contests rather than actual skill.

This si really frustrating.

On October 18 2011 12:32 Hall0wed wrote:


I guess we get to say we were original viewers in the future? ha

But yeah I don't understand how top KR GM on one of the best Korean teams doesn't meet their requirements. Then you look at some of the featured streamers and its like "WTF!?".

On October 18 2011 12:39 windsupernova wrote:


Yeah man, I mean I would not have issues but.. some of the featured streams are... well underwhelming.Nothing against them, but I have an issue with a top KR GM is not featured.

On October 18 2011 13:01 Rostam wrote:


Maybe if we the fans make sure this thread is active when he's streaming he'll be able to get popular enough for TL to feature him.

On October 18 2011 13:34 stokes17 wrote:
wait.... this guy actually isn't featured....

How many of our featured streamers have GSL experience? (yea i know it was only GSTL and maybe open seasons idn for sure)

He just needs a cam on himself like Dragon(who's only GSL experience was an 1-2 showing in season 3-- under jys or something like that---not tsl JYP) and he'll be featured in no time

But seriously mods.... Please?

On October 18 2011 14:17 windsupernova wrote:
Awww, seriously its disheartening to see him checking if he is featured yet.

Please?

We don't get many top Koreans streaming.

On October 18 2011 14:36 Rostam wrote:


Yeah But I'm sure he will be featured in due time. I'm not sure how popular he needs to be but he's almost at 100 viewers, almost as much as some of the featured streams running right now.

On October 18 2011 16:04 TSL_Porori wrote:
Heart is streaming from 10am or 11am to 4pm (korean time)

On October 18 2011 14:35 Mayor wrote:
Guys, Hot_Bid and the mods have sleep too, he'll be featured tomorrow without any trouble.

On October 18 2011 19:42 brachester wrote:

tsl_popori? Are you a new player from tsl?

On October 19 2011 00:25 rUiNati0n wrote:

I think he is a manager.

On October 19 2011 01:56 TSL_Porori wrote:
Actually, I'm just his friend^-^
Heart doesn't speak english well.
I sometimes help him when he needs my help
And I like TSL team, so I make my nick "TSL_Porori"
I'm not a TSL team member. Only chobo >_<

Heart has twitter account!
http://twitter.com/TSL_Heart

On October 19 2011 11:44 Hot_Bid wrote:
Currently our featured standards for Koreans are Code A or significant games in GSTL. Heart does not meet either of these standards. The reason these exist is because we cannot feature every player in every Korean team, and there has to be a line drawn somewhere. You can argue the bar should be lower, but its very difficult to judge between Korean players and this will certainly be an issue that comes up more than just this time.

Yes, this standard is lower than the international one, as there is no unified league like GSL that provides a standard for us to draw a line. Therefore, there will be foreigner players who are featured who skillwise are objectively worse than Heart. However, pure skill is not the only factor we take into consideration when featuring streams. Destiny is a good example of this.

Many of you may ask, what about Dragon? Why is he featured? Well, he was featured before we had these standards, and now has a huge following and we don't really feel it would be fair to defeature him at this point, so we keep him. I suppose he lucked out in that way.

I also do not appreciate the insulting PMs / emails about this issue, they are not really helping. The instant Heart makes code A or plays a bunch more games in GSTL then we will feature him very quickly.

On October 19 2011 11:44 Hot_Bid wrote:
Currently our featured standards for Koreans are Code A or significant games in GSTL. Heart does not meet either of these standards. The reason these exist is because we cannot feature every player in every Korean team, and there has to be a line drawn somewhere. You can argue the bar should be lower, but its very difficult to judge between Korean players and this will certainly be an issue that comes up more than just this time.

Yes, this standard is lower than the international one, as there is no unified league like GSL that provides a standard for us to draw a line. Therefore, there will be foreigner players who are featured who skillwise are objectively worse than Heart. However, pure skill is not the only factor we take into consideration when featuring streams. Destiny is a good example of this.

Many of you may ask, what about Dragon? Why is he featured? Well, he was featured before we had these standards, and now has a huge following and we don't really feel it would be fair to defeature him at this point, so we keep him. I suppose he lucked out in that way.

I also do not appreciate the insulting PMs / emails about this issue, they are not really helping. The instant Heart makes code A or plays a bunch more games in GSTL then we will feature him very quickly.

On October 19 2011 12:27 AxionSteel wrote:
I thought Team Liquid was all about bringing the Korean and International Starcraft communities closer together, breaking down those barriers that existed in Brood War. It makes absolutely no sense to me that a Korean streamer has a much tougher set of rules to meet than a foreign player, if anything, Koreans should be encouraged to stream here since not that many do. No Code S Korean players stream really, all the ex Zenex players stopped, and barely any Code A/S players will stream because they don't want to give away their strats. I think all Korean players should be encouraged to stream here, and I know Heart gets down when he sees how low the viewer count is, so these super strict rules, which don't seem to apply to foreign streamers, might discourage people like Heart from streaming at all which would be a shame.

On October 19 2011 13:07 TSL_Porori wrote:
Heart understand TL's message.
Qualifying code A is next week.
So he decide that he concentrates on qualifying code A.
temporary, He stopped streaming when he gets code A.
Heart really wants to meet you, soon.
Cheer him, please >_<

On October 19 2011 11:44 Hot_Bid wrote:
Currently our featured standards for Koreans are Code A or significant games in GSTL. Heart does not meet either of these standards. The reason these exist is because we cannot feature every player in every Korean team, and there has to be a line drawn somewhere. You can argue the bar should be lower, but its very difficult to judge between Korean players and this will certainly be an issue that comes up more than just this time.

Yes, this standard is lower than the international one, as there is no unified league like GSL that provides a standard for us to draw a line. Therefore, there will be foreigner players who are featured who skillwise are objectively worse than Heart. However, pure skill is not the only factor we take into consideration when featuring streams. Destiny is a good example of this.

Many of you may ask, what about Dragon? Why is he featured? Well, he was featured before we had these standards, and now has a huge following and we don't really feel it would be fair to defeature him at this point, so we keep him. I suppose he lucked out in that way.

I also do not appreciate the insulting PMs / emails about this issue, they are not really helping. The instant Heart makes code A or plays a bunch more games in GSTL then we will feature him very quickly.

On October 19 2011 13:07 TSL_Porori wrote:
Heart understand TL's message.
Qualifying code A is next week.
So he decide that he concentrates on qualifying code A.
temporary, He stopped streaming when he gets code A.
Heart really wants to meet you, soon.
Cheer him, please >_<

On October 19 2011 12:08 whomps wrote:


This is the dumbest possible thing you could have done. Nice job sticking to standards that even you see as flawed.

GL with your decision making goals in 2012.

On October 19 2011 13:43 Hot_Bid wrote:

You clearly didn't read my post because we have different standards now, but Dragon was featured back when standards were looser. The options are defeature Dragon or keep him, obviously keeping is a better option so we keep him. Seems like a pretty reasonable thing to do, if we were really hardline we'd just defeature Dragon.

I don't see how we're sticking to flawed standards, we're just grandfathering in someone who was featured under wrong standards earlier. It's actually the opposite of what you say here.

On October 19 2011 13:07 TSL_Porori wrote:
Heart understand TL's message.
Qualifying code A is next week.
So he decide that he concentrates on qualifying code A.
temporary, He stopped streaming when he gets code A.
Heart really wants to meet you, soon.
Cheer him, please >_<

On October 19 2011 13:43 Hot_Bid wrote:

You clearly didn't read my post because we have different standards now, but Dragon was featured back when standards were looser. The options are defeature Dragon or keep him, obviously keeping is a better option so we keep him. Seems like a pretty reasonable thing to do, if we were really hardline we'd just defeature Dragon.

I don't see how we're sticking to flawed standards, we're just grandfathering in someone who was featured under wrong standards earlier. It's actually the opposite of what you say here.

On October 20 2011 07:18 Hot_Bid wrote:
You really should learn to communicate without insulting others, it's not helping.

On October 20 2011 11:50 AxionSteel wrote:


I don't think your super strict rules for Korean players are helping, either. So few Koreans stream anyway, and the ones in Code A and above don't stream because they don't want to give away their strategies. All this will do is turn away excellent players like Heart (there is no better terran streamer on this site). It just makes no sense that any random semi-pro foreigner with no achievements or popularity can get featured, yet a super skilled Korean GM, on a top team, who plays in GSTL, can not.

I guess TL really doesn't want to bring the Korean and TL communities closer together.

On October 20 2011 12:44 Hot_Bid wrote:

This is actually a pretty good point, I suppose we can reevaluate the rules and talk about it some more. What kind of standard do you feel would be appropriate for evaluating Koreans who aren't organized in any tier?

Unfortunately by this same logic Heart will stop streaming as much once he gets Code A.

edit: Also, we don't feature "any random semi-pro foreigner with no achievements or popularity" either. We are changing the featured status soon to be a bit more restrictive of international players.

On October 24 2011 14:02 eleaf wrote:
We miss your stream Heart!

On October 26 2011 11:06 TSL_Porori wrote:
Heart became featured.
He really appreciate your help (I told him about comments)
He will come back after code A.

On October 26 2011 11:43 brachester wrote:
OH YEAH HOT_BID!!! You're the man
So how did you guys change the streaming policies?

On October 26 2011 23:24 Hot_Bid wrote:

We read your posts in the thread and discussed it and changed the featured standards for koreans.

On October 27 2011 17:24 brachester wrote:
man, too bad he didn't qualify for code A

On October 10 2011 15:18 CuSToM wrote:
TSL players streaming :D

On November 03 2011 23:52 TSL_Porori wrote:
How can I delete this post T.T

On November 04 2011 15:16 rUiNati0n wrote:
Heart should announce when he streams on Twitter so maybe more people will watch.

On November 05 2011 14:52 rUiNati0n wrote:
I made a fanclub here!

On November 05 2011 15:05 brachester wrote:

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!1

On November 05 2011 14:52 rUiNati0n wrote:
I made a fanclub here!

On November 05 2011 21:49 TSL_Porori wrote:


Wow! It's very surprise!
I`m sure that he will be impressed by you T.T ( I was impressed)
I can't tell you how much I appreciate what you've done.
He's going to play hard!