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On May 07 2011 10:58 Lochat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 10:48 Swineflew wrote:On May 07 2011 10:23 Mailing wrote:
He said he will commentate for a week (7 days) when he streams. He didn't say he would stream every day.
And yes, he will probably continue the commentary when he streams again after NASL.
People are so entitled. Yea, I hate when people act so entitled, like expecting someone to keep their word. People think they deserve everything that they're promised. Oh and since you don't know what you're talking about his quote was "if we get 20,000 live viewers tonight ill do live commentary and analysis on my stream this week. everyone watch and bring your friends." You realize he's accurate down to the word, right? He has done commentary and analysis on his stream this week. No one does it say he's forced to stream every day, while he streams during this week, he will do commentary. He has. He has, completely, kept his word. The only difference is, due to what everyone already knows, he lost his motivation to stream for a few days. Yet, every single word he stated has been kept true. If you want to pull out a quote, make sure it actually supports what you're saying. He's kept his word, exactly.
If you had a shred of sense, you'd realize that he elaborated enough OUTSIDE OF THIS CITED DIALOGUE that it would be for an entire week.
Do you really want to argue on the wrong side of this? I'm more than willing to bet that someone would love to watch the entirety of SOTG to put together everything he said to show you that he meant a week. Such a dumb argument too....
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"if we get 20,000 live viewers tonight ill do live commentary and analysis on my stream this week. everyone watch and bring your friends."
That's what he said on Twitter. Technicaly he's already done what he said he would. He doesn't say how long or how often he would do it. How can you expect more than what he said he would do?
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On May 07 2011 11:15 Swineflew wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 10:58 Lochat wrote:On May 07 2011 10:48 Swineflew wrote:On May 07 2011 10:23 Mailing wrote:
He said he will commentate for a week (7 days) when he streams. He didn't say he would stream every day.
And yes, he will probably continue the commentary when he streams again after NASL.
People are so entitled. Yea, I hate when people act so entitled, like expecting someone to keep their word. People think they deserve everything that they're promised. Oh and since you don't know what you're talking about his quote was "if we get 20,000 live viewers tonight ill do live commentary and analysis on my stream this week. everyone watch and bring your friends." You realize he's accurate down to the word, right? He has done commentary and analysis on his stream this week. No one does it say he's forced to stream every day, while he streams during this week, he will do commentary. He has. He has, completely, kept his word. The only difference is, due to what everyone already knows, he lost his motivation to stream for a few days. Yet, every single word he stated has been kept true. If you want to pull out a quote, make sure it actually supports what you're saying. He's kept his word, exactly. I'm not going to argue semantics with you, it was clearly suggested that he will stream all week and commentate it.
this is kind of foolish. he promised that he would give the viewers commentary if the number reached more than 20,000. the fact that he is not following through with his promise is kind of sad. if he was sick or prevented from doing it in some way then i could understand. however, some petty dispute with tl.net mods (justified or not) is not. suck it up and commentate like you promised your fans. this won't really affect the fact that i am a big idra fan, but the people who are trying to justify his failure to stream and commentate are kind of . . . meh.
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Point out where he went back on his word.
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wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh wahhhhhhhhhhhh wahhhhhhhhhhhhh idra said this idra said that. wahhhhhh, cry more or go do something with your time whiners.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On May 07 2011 11:43 haffy wrote:
Point out where he went back on his word.
http://itmejp.blip.tv/file/5101881/ at around 2:20. he said he would do live commentary for a week. that was on tuesday, yesterday was thursday. that is not a week last time i checked.
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Ok, he went back on his word. Stop watching him, go find another zerg hero, stop bitching jeez. Real fans don't care.
You are complaining because he isn't giving you free content.
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I cant believe you people are seriously still discussing this. Cruncher may have cheated, cruncher may have not. Im a huge Idra fan and he was out of line. He could still be streaming right now and not freaking out at the mods, but he isnt.
Big. Fucking. Deal.
Nothing else you whine about will change the situation at all so just stop.
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On May 07 2011 11:49 dAPhREAk wrote:http://itmejp.blip.tv/file/5101881/ at around 2:20. he said he would do live commentary for a week. that was on tuesday, yesterday was thursday. that is not a week last time i checked.
Does he say all week?
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I don't understand how people could have interpreted it as he would stream every day without fail. From all the occurrences that he mentioned the bet not once did I assume he meant every single day. It was very clear to me that whenever he did stream it would be with commentary.
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he didn't stop streaming because he never intended to stream for this entire week or all week as you keep arguing. he stopped streaming because of a hissy fit. as my first post stated, this goes against what he promised to the viewers. i could care less because i watch sotg regardless of whether idra is on there, but you have to feel bad for those people who actually joined with the hope that they could get commentary from him. that was the only point i was making.
im not going to argue semantics over whether "a week" is the same as "this entire week" or "all week." i am going to go with Swineflew and lurk some other forums.
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I'm stunned no one considered the fact that Cruncher willing to "snipe" Idra imply cheating by all logic.
If he wants to snipe Idra in front of his viewer, it's in order to humiliate him. Or Cruncher lost a tremendous number of time against him on ladder (someone said the current record is 3-20 in Idra's favor) So playing fair against Idra gives not Cruncher enough chance to humiliate, but to be humiliated. I don't think he is a masochist.
More over, i think we all know that Cruncher can not stand to lose against Idra. Just remind the time where he unplugged to avoid a crushing defeat...
It is pretty obvious that "sniping" him goes with cheating. Otherwise, he'd rather avoid Idra on ladder instead of losing a ton of point.
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On May 07 2011 04:35 greendestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 10:05 Ansinjunger wrote:On May 06 2011 09:35 haylmfao wrote:On May 06 2011 09:31 H wrote:On May 06 2011 09:24 Sushbag wrote:
What's the connection between a ban on these forums and then refusing to stream? Clearly it's posturing, but if Idra really cared about the front page exposure he gets on TL he probably wouldn't risk posting at all; this isn't an environment where you can actually say what you want like an adult. It's not like State of the Game. TL can run their site however they want but since they run it like they do, why does anyone care about this forum? Calling someone a waste of life over a computer game is not something an adult does. I'm sorry you think it is. So cheating in ladder is okay? It's just a computer game after all isn't it? What about cheating in a tournament? Still a computer game. Hell, playing computer games is ABSOLUTELY not something an adult does, why does this site even exist? We should all quit SC2 and go do something useful with our lives! The Blizzard Ladder and JustinTV are not under the jurisdiction of TeamLiquid. Cruncher didn't say anything in his post to get banned, unless there was something nasty before it was edited, of which I am unaware. It cannot be proved that Cruncher cheated by listening/watching to Idra's stream. There is obviously evidence that would support that accusation, but nothing concrete. He provided in the aforementioned post of his some sound reasoning for expecting an all-in. Idra also provided similar reasoning when he said [I'm just gonna all-in since his Nexus is up before my hatchery]. If that's such a logical decision for Idra, it's equally logical for Cruncher to expect it. Add the precedent set recently by aggressive zergs such as Losira and Idra himself. (snip) Jesus, dude, this isn't a murder trial. But if it were, what you're saying would be akin to a lawyer saying: "Look, my client didn't commit this murder. After all, there are no pictures of him holding the knife and stabbing the victim." That's would be such a weak argument. Don't you agree? Strictly speaking, your post contains what is called argumentum ad ignorantiam - "the fallacy that a proposition is true simply on the basis that it has not been proved false or that it is false simply because it has not been proved true." http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/ignorance.htmlEver heard of circumstantial evidence? Let me list what we have in this case: - Did you watch Idra's stream? He was on fire. Go on, watch it, and tell me how many games Idra lost during it. - People want to provoke him into raging/ragequittting and will do anything to go down in history as a part of his epic BM (in this case, streamcheating) - Idra gives insightful comments on how his opponents play and how they think. Show nested quote +I'm not sure if he's going around the back... Yeah. I'm just going to have to sac an expo. That's really weird. He should try to push the attack up here. Sieging tanks here and then having the marines come up. That's very strong. You have to invest quite a bit to get those units that early and only force the hatchery cancel, that's not worth it, so I'm in good shape now. He still has a dangerous army, though. Now he's really paranoid about mutas, so he's just going to turtle and take his third.
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The map is too long to do lethal damage, so 2 base all-in is not going to work.
He's pushing way too slow. He's trying to do too many things at once. + Show Spoiler +http://www.justin.tv/eg_idra/b/285221418
(around 44:00) So when Idra says and during his game vs Cruncher, you can say 'Hmm, Idra so far knew exactly the thought process of his opponents and when Cruncher just blindly countered his build, there was something fishy and he called him out on it". Or you can say Idra is 'a whiner' and should 'manner up'. - Cruncher was intentionally trying to get into the game vs Idra. - Cruncher watched Idra's stream - Cruncher's current record vs Idra is 3-20 - Cruncher's apologetic post here on TL (why he tries to explain himself if he won fairly?). - Idra faced turtling terrans one after another, and when he met Cruncher who turtled as well, he tried all-in, it failed, and as a justification for leaving, Idra said the first thing that crossed his mind & this also explains why the 'waste of life' comment - maybe he thought that playing vs Cruncher is a waste of life because all he does is turtle? - Idra didn't rage about it afterwards, he just kept on playing. - Idra is quite outspoken. In other words, he's fucking insane, because he always says what he thinks, but doesn't do it simply to flame (re: Rekrul 'foreigners suck' threads). So, now what? Despite what I wrote above, I would not punish Cruncher in any way. There's just not enough proof that he streamcheated. But, this will hurt his reputation either way, and if he did cheat, it is just a matter of time before he slips up and gets caught red-handed. This 'sniping' was a real poor decision, Cruncher, and nothing positive could ever come from it. You got your win vs Idra, but you lost so much more. Anyway, now we have a great topic for the next round of interviews.with Greg. We need Idra. SC2 needs him. God damn it, I need him!
This post just sums up how hilariously melodramatic Idra fans are being about this issue. Dude is gone for two days, and you act like Chill inflicted a national-scale tragedy on the SC community.
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On May 07 2011 04:35 greendestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 10:05 Ansinjunger wrote:On May 06 2011 09:35 haylmfao wrote:On May 06 2011 09:31 H wrote:On May 06 2011 09:24 Sushbag wrote:
What's the connection between a ban on these forums and then refusing to stream? Clearly it's posturing, but if Idra really cared about the front page exposure he gets on TL he probably wouldn't risk posting at all; this isn't an environment where you can actually say what you want like an adult. It's not like State of the Game. TL can run their site however they want but since they run it like they do, why does anyone care about this forum? Calling someone a waste of life over a computer game is not something an adult does. I'm sorry you think it is. So cheating in ladder is okay? It's just a computer game after all isn't it? What about cheating in a tournament? Still a computer game. Hell, playing computer games is ABSOLUTELY not something an adult does, why does this site even exist? We should all quit SC2 and go do something useful with our lives! The Blizzard Ladder and JustinTV are not under the jurisdiction of TeamLiquid. Cruncher didn't say anything in his post to get banned, unless there was something nasty before it was edited, of which I am unaware. It cannot be proved that Cruncher cheated by listening/watching to Idra's stream. There is obviously evidence that would support that accusation, but nothing concrete. He provided in the aforementioned post of his some sound reasoning for expecting an all-in. Idra also provided similar reasoning when he said [I'm just gonna all-in since his Nexus is up before my hatchery]. If that's such a logical decision for Idra, it's equally logical for Cruncher to expect it. Add the precedent set recently by aggressive zergs such as Losira and Idra himself. (snip) Jesus, dude, this isn't a murder trial. But if it were, what you're saying would be akin to a lawyer saying: "Look, my client didn't commit this murder. After all, there are no pictures of him holding the knife and stabbing the victim." That's would be such a weak argument. Don't you agree? Strictly speaking, your post contains what is called argumentum ad ignorantiam - "the fallacy that a proposition is true simply on the basis that it has not been proved false or that it is false simply because it has not been proved true." http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/ignorance.htmlEver heard of circumstantial evidence? Let me list what we have in this case: - Did you watch Idra's stream? He was on fire. Go on, watch it, and tell me how many games Idra lost during it. - People want to provoke him into raging/ragequittting and will do anything to go down in history as a part of his epic BM (in this case, streamcheating) - Idra gives insightful comments on how his opponents play and how they think. Show nested quote +I'm not sure if he's going around the back... Yeah. I'm just going to have to sac an expo. That's really weird. He should try to push the attack up here. Sieging tanks here and then having the marines come up. That's very strong. You have to invest quite a bit to get those units that early and only force the hatchery cancel, that's not worth it, so I'm in good shape now. He still has a dangerous army, though. Now he's really paranoid about mutas, so he's just going to turtle and take his third.
(...)
The map is too long to do lethal damage, so 2 base all-in is not going to work.
He's pushing way too slow. He's trying to do too many things at once. + Show Spoiler +http://www.justin.tv/eg_idra/b/285221418
(around 44:00) So when Idra says and during his game vs Cruncher, you can say 'Hmm, Idra so far knew exactly the thought process of his opponents and when Cruncher just blindly countered his build, there was something fishy and he called him out on it". Or you can say Idra is 'a whiner' and should 'manner up'. - Cruncher was intentionally trying to get into the game vs Idra. - Cruncher watched Idra's stream - Cruncher's current record vs Idra is 3-20 - Cruncher's apologetic post here on TL (why he tries to explain himself if he won fairly?). - Idra faced turtling terrans one after another, and when he met Cruncher who turtled as well, he tried all-in, it failed, and as a justification for leaving, Idra said the first thing that crossed his mind & this also explains why the 'waste of life' comment - maybe he thought that playing vs Cruncher is a waste of life because all he does is turtle? - Idra didn't rage about it afterwards, he just kept on playing. - Idra is quite outspoken. In other words, he's fucking insane, because he always says what he thinks, but doesn't do it simply to flame (re: Rekrul 'foreigners suck' threads). So, now what? Despite what I wrote above, I would not punish Cruncher in any way. There's just not enough proof that he streamcheated. But, this will hurt his reputation either way, and if he did cheat, it is just a matter of time before he slips up and gets caught red-handed. This 'sniping' was a real poor decision, Cruncher, and nothing positive could ever come from it. You got your win vs Idra, but you lost so much more. Anyway, now we have a great topic for the next round of interviews.with Greg. We need Idra. SC2 needs him. God damn it, I need him!
So you obviously didn't read the part of my post where I said there's evidence that supports the accusation, but not absolute (I used "concrete") proof. But thanks for playing the logical fallacy card.
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I like your stream especially the commentating.
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Don't forget that IdrA says cruncher has good probe control when he blocked the expo.
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On May 07 2011 11:54 Absolutionn wrote:
I cant believe you people are seriously still discussing this. Cruncher may have cheated, cruncher may have not. Im a huge Idra fan and he was out of line. He could still be streaming right now and not freaking out at the mods, but he isnt.
Big. Fucking. Deal.
Nothing else you whine about will change the situation at all so just stop.
oo that worked everyone will stop discussing now
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On May 07 2011 12:55 SlapMySalami wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 11:54 Absolutionn wrote:
I cant believe you people are seriously still discussing this. Cruncher may have cheated, cruncher may have not. Im a huge Idra fan and he was out of line. He could still be streaming right now and not freaking out at the mods, but he isnt.
Big. Fucking. Deal.
Nothing else you whine about will change the situation at all so just stop. oo that worked everyone will stop discussing now
mature people will
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A bit of controversy is never bad for e-sports, heh.
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You guys still discussing about that?
Really?
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