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fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
May 07 2011 04:04 GMT
#2141
I am fast becoming an Idra fan.
bisu fanboy
Swineflew
Profile Joined October 2010
United States61 Posts
May 07 2011 04:16 GMT
#2142
I'm not sure what else you guys think we're going to talk about in the IdrA stream thread than things relating to IdrA's stream.
eluv
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
May 07 2011 05:16 GMT
#2143
Only player stream I consistently watch. Sick sick stuff!
"Yes I fucked my way to the GSL partnership" - Sundance
genopath
Profile Joined December 2008
80 Posts
May 07 2011 05:52 GMT
#2144
IdrA please stream again! :D

Also can you tell us which music do you when you play?
Chriscras
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2812 Posts
May 07 2011 06:10 GMT
#2145
I bet IdrA probably doesn't want to stream anyways.

He likely believes his time is better spent preparing for big money tournaments as opposed to pandering on the internet.
"En taro adun, Executor."
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
May 07 2011 06:27 GMT
#2146
On May 07 2011 15:10 Chriscras wrote:
I bet IdrA probably doesn't want to stream anyways.

He likely believes his time is better spent preparing for big money tournaments as opposed to pandering on the internet.

I think there's a lesson to learn for all of us in this. Let's get out of the past and on to some fun times!
Lochat
Profile Joined January 2011
United States270 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 06:46:28
May 07 2011 06:44 GMT
#2147
On May 07 2011 12:16 Ansinjunger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 04:35 greendestiny wrote:
On May 06 2011 10:05 Ansinjunger wrote:
On May 06 2011 09:35 haylmfao wrote:
On May 06 2011 09:31 H wrote:
On May 06 2011 09:24 Sushbag wrote:
What's the connection between a ban on these forums and then refusing to stream? Clearly it's posturing, but if Idra really cared about the front page exposure he gets on TL he probably wouldn't risk posting at all; this isn't an environment where you can actually say what you want like an adult. It's not like State of the Game. TL can run their site however they want but since they run it like they do, why does anyone care about this forum?


Calling someone a waste of life over a computer game is not something an adult does. I'm sorry you think it is.

So cheating in ladder is okay? It's just a computer game after all isn't it?
What about cheating in a tournament? Still a computer game.
Hell, playing computer games is ABSOLUTELY not something an adult does, why does this site even exist? We should all quit SC2 and go do something useful with our lives!


The Blizzard Ladder and JustinTV are not under the jurisdiction of TeamLiquid. Cruncher didn't say anything in his post to get banned, unless there was something nasty before it was edited, of which I am unaware.

It cannot be proved that Cruncher cheated by listening/watching to Idra's stream. There is obviously evidence that would support that accusation, but nothing concrete. He provided in the aforementioned post of his some sound reasoning for expecting an all-in. Idra also provided similar reasoning when he said [I'm just gonna all-in since his Nexus is up before my hatchery]. If that's such a logical decision for Idra, it's equally logical for Cruncher to expect it. Add the precedent set recently by aggressive zergs such as Losira and Idra himself.
(snip)

Jesus, dude, this isn't a murder trial. But if it were, what you're saying would be akin to a lawyer saying: "Look, my client didn't commit this murder. After all, there are no pictures of him holding the knife and stabbing the victim." That's would be such a weak argument. Don't you agree?

Strictly speaking, your post contains what is called argumentum ad ignorantiam - "the fallacy that a proposition is true simply on the basis that it has not been proved false or that it is false simply because it has not been proved true."
http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/ignorance.html

Ever heard of circumstantial evidence?
Let me list what we have in this case:
- Did you watch Idra's stream? He was on fire. Go on, watch it, and tell me how many games Idra lost during it.
- People want to provoke him into raging/ragequittting and will do anything to go down in history as a part of his epic BM (in this case, streamcheating)
- Idra gives insightful comments on how his opponents play and how they think.
I'm not sure if he's going around the back... Yeah. I'm just going to have to sac an expo. That's really weird. He should try to push the attack up here. Sieging tanks here and then having the marines come up. That's very strong. You have to invest quite a bit to get those units that early and only force the hatchery cancel, that's not worth it, so I'm in good shape now. He still has a dangerous army, though. Now he's really paranoid about mutas, so he's just going to turtle and take his third.
(...)
The map is too long to do lethal damage, so 2 base all-in is not going to work.
He's pushing way too slow. He's trying to do too many things at once.

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.justin.tv/eg_idra/b/285221418
(around 44:00)


So when Idra says
Given that he's a fa**it, he's probably listening to this stream.

and
Yeah, he's listening. You can at least try and hide it.

during his game vs Cruncher, you can say 'Hmm, Idra so far knew exactly the thought process of his opponents and when Cruncher just blindly countered his build, there was something fishy and he called him out on it".

Or you can say Idra is 'a whiner' and should 'manner up'.
- Cruncher was intentionally trying to get into the game vs Idra.
- Cruncher watched Idra's stream
- Cruncher's current record vs Idra is 3-20
- Cruncher's apologetic post here on TL (why he tries to explain himself if he won fairly?).
- Idra faced turtling terrans one after another, and when he met Cruncher who turtled as well, he tried all-in, it failed, and as a justification for leaving, Idra said the first thing that crossed his mind & this also explains why the 'waste of life' comment - maybe he thought that playing vs Cruncher is a waste of life because all he does is turtle?
- Idra didn't rage about it afterwards, he just kept on playing.
- Idra is quite outspoken. In other words, he's fucking insane, because he always says what he thinks, but doesn't do it simply to flame (re: Rekrul 'foreigners suck' threads).

So, now what? Despite what I wrote above, I would not punish Cruncher in any way. There's just not enough proof that he streamcheated. But, this will hurt his reputation either way, and if he did cheat, it is just a matter of time before he slips up and gets caught red-handed. This 'sniping' was a real poor decision, Cruncher, and nothing positive could ever come from it. You got your win vs Idra, but you lost so much more.

Anyway, now we have a great topic for the next round of interviews.with Greg.

We need Idra. SC2 needs him. God damn it, I need him!


So you obviously didn't read the part of my post where I said there's evidence that supports the accusation, but not absolute (I used "concrete") proof. But thanks for playing the logical fallacy card.


There is rarely anything as "concrete" proof. Don't try to talk about logic when you don't understand the fundamental difference between induction and deduction. In almost all empirical situations, all you have is evidence that supports a conclusion. There is no "proof" in the absurd sense you're trying to use it. Here's a link you may find useful to check out: http://www.iep.utm.edu/

P.S. If you're going to call out logical fallacies, it's usually best to name them specifically, rarely do people who actually know logic blindly say "fallacy" and it's rather suspect.
"The trouble was that he was talking in philosophy, but they were listening in gibberish." -- (Terry Pratchett, Small Gods)
Jago
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland390 Posts
May 07 2011 07:14 GMT
#2148
On May 07 2011 15:10 Chriscras wrote:
I bet IdrA probably doesn't want to stream anyways.

He likely believes his time is better spent preparing for big money tournaments as opposed to pandering on the internet.

I am pretty sure Idra is sane and likes money. Playing ads between each game to 10k+ live viewers is pretty damn lucrative.
Swineflew
Profile Joined October 2010
United States61 Posts
May 07 2011 07:47 GMT
#2149
On May 07 2011 16:14 Jago wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 15:10 Chriscras wrote:
I bet IdrA probably doesn't want to stream anyways.

He likely believes his time is better spent preparing for big money tournaments as opposed to pandering on the internet.

I am pretty sure Idra is sane and likes money. Playing ads between each game to 10k+ live viewers is pretty damn lucrative.


Yea during his Q&A session he said he'd run a commercial every 10 questions because "I like money"
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
May 07 2011 11:12 GMT
#2150
On May 07 2011 16:47 Swineflew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 16:14 Jago wrote:
On May 07 2011 15:10 Chriscras wrote:
I bet IdrA probably doesn't want to stream anyways.

He likely believes his time is better spent preparing for big money tournaments as opposed to pandering on the internet.

I am pretty sure Idra is sane and likes money. Playing ads between each game to 10k+ live viewers is pretty damn lucrative.


Yea during his Q&A session he said he'd run a commercial every 10 questions because "I like money"


Not that I care because imo this is pretty close to free (although not 1 on 1) coaching.
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
blackone
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1314 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 11:31:11
May 07 2011 11:31 GMT
#2151
On May 07 2011 16:14 Jago wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 15:10 Chriscras wrote:
I bet IdrA probably doesn't want to stream anyways.

He likely believes his time is better spent preparing for big money tournaments as opposed to pandering on the internet.

I am pretty sure Idra is sane and likes money. Playing ads between each game to 10k+ live viewers is pretty damn lucrative.

Being sane and liking money does not automatically make the most lucrative decision the best.
Klogbert
Profile Joined March 2011
United States139 Posts
May 07 2011 11:49 GMT
#2152
On May 07 2011 10:17 Mailing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 09:49 Klogbert wrote:
The bigger story is that IdrA is punishing his own fans for his mistake and blaming it on Chill.

He is not required to stream


I agree, if he wouldn't have left a post saying that he wasn't streaming because Chill banned him then it would be totally okay. But, since he's upset that he got banned for something he did wrong, he is acting like a 4 year old about it.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
May 07 2011 12:50 GMT
#2153
On May 07 2011 20:31 blackone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 16:14 Jago wrote:
On May 07 2011 15:10 Chriscras wrote:
I bet IdrA probably doesn't want to stream anyways.

He likely believes his time is better spent preparing for big money tournaments as opposed to pandering on the internet.

I am pretty sure Idra is sane and likes money. Playing ads between each game to 10k+ live viewers is pretty damn lucrative.

Being sane and liking money does not automatically make the most lucrative decision the best.


I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect IdrA to play the advertisements whenever he finishes a game, especially seeing how he is sane, likes money, and the ads do not intrude on his ladder games or lower the quality of his stream at all.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 13:25:15
May 07 2011 13:17 GMT
#2154
Results of GIGABYTE Starswar6 tournament:

+ Show Spoiler +
Idra wins 2-0 over White-Ra. Woooo! Games were on Metal and Tal'darim.


That post really goes in the fan club, hopefully it will be opened soon once people start talking about new tournament results.

Edit: updated results.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
butchji
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1531 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 13:24:45
May 07 2011 13:24 GMT
#2155
On May 07 2011 22:17 Ghanburighan wrote:
Results of GIGABYTE Starswar6 tournament:

+ Show Spoiler +
Idra up 1-0 on White-Ra, game two just started.


That post really goes in the fan club, hopefully it will be opened soon once people start talking about new tournament results.


+ Show Spoiler +
IdrA won 2-0 vs White-Ra

fucking crushing him ;o
ratMortar
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada282 Posts
May 07 2011 13:30 GMT
#2156
On May 07 2011 22:24 butchji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 22:17 Ghanburighan wrote:
Results of GIGABYTE Starswar6 tournament:

+ Show Spoiler +
Idra up 1-0 on White-Ra, game two just started.


That post really goes in the fan club, hopefully it will be opened soon once people start talking about new tournament results.


+ Show Spoiler +
IdrA won 2-0 vs White-Ra

fucking crushing him ;o


Where can I watch these games? I don't see a stream anywhere...
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
May 07 2011 13:38 GMT
#2157
On May 07 2011 22:30 ratMortar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 22:24 butchji wrote:
On May 07 2011 22:17 Ghanburighan wrote:
Results of GIGABYTE Starswar6 tournament:

+ Show Spoiler +
Idra up 1-0 on White-Ra, game two just started.


That post really goes in the fan club, hopefully it will be opened soon once people start talking about new tournament results.


+ Show Spoiler +
IdrA won 2-0 vs White-Ra

fucking crushing him ;o


Where can I watch these games? I don't see a stream anywhere...


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=213951 - the link is in huge red letters.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
butchji
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1531 Posts
May 07 2011 13:42 GMT
#2158
On May 07 2011 22:30 ratMortar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 22:24 butchji wrote:
On May 07 2011 22:17 Ghanburighan wrote:
Results of GIGABYTE Starswar6 tournament:

+ Show Spoiler +
Idra up 1-0 on White-Ra, game two just started.


That post really goes in the fan club, hopefully it will be opened soon once people start talking about new tournament results.


+ Show Spoiler +
IdrA won 2-0 vs White-Ra

fucking crushing him ;o


Where can I watch these games? I don't see a stream anywhere...


It was here: http://sc2.cn/xingji2.php?action-viewnews-itemid-18346-page-5

but it's over alrdy
blackone
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1314 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 14:44:33
May 07 2011 14:43 GMT
#2159
On May 07 2011 21:50 Nos- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 20:31 blackone wrote:
On May 07 2011 16:14 Jago wrote:
On May 07 2011 15:10 Chriscras wrote:
I bet IdrA probably doesn't want to stream anyways.

He likely believes his time is better spent preparing for big money tournaments as opposed to pandering on the internet.

I am pretty sure Idra is sane and likes money. Playing ads between each game to 10k+ live viewers is pretty damn lucrative.

Being sane and liking money does not automatically make the most lucrative decision the best.


I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect IdrA to play the advertisements whenever he finishes a game, especially seeing how he is sane, likes money, and the ads do not intrude on his ladder games or lower the quality of his stream at all.

You're obviously right, but that's totally not what we where talking about.
Gaius Baltar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States449 Posts
May 07 2011 16:11 GMT
#2160
How much time left on the ban? Need dat fix
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