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On March 16 2011 17:27 baoluvboa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 17:24 nihlon wrote:On March 16 2011 17:10 kenkaze291 wrote:
If the Korean's didn't care about the tournament, why would they agree to participate in it. They will still prepare for their matches and everything to the best of their ability... Strelok said many Koreans not all. And do you honestly think they would have got all the big names without the $$$ on the line? There's one reason for you. Also what is with several people calling Strelok racist? Wtf... Also I agree with Strelok on that there were too many invites. I have no problem with having Koreans in the tournament or invites, but considering the qualifying process having half invites is too much imo. That said, I'm still looking forward to the tournament a great deal. This TSL season is ALOT more exciting due to the Korean invites. I'm pretty sure people wanted even more Koreans in such as MKP but there weren't enough room.
I'm sure, and I'm also sure that there are people that feel otherwise. As I've said, I have no problem with Koreans in the tournament but that half of the spots being invites considering the qualifying process.
On March 16 2011 17:30 Strelok wrote:
In interview one of my phrazes was deleted by editor, which totally changed whole meaning. I complainted not about koreans being invited, but about very big number of invited slots and proposed to change it either way: or invite foreigners in Korea or invite only koreans and let the foreigners in Korea qualify themselves.
I asked editor to change it right now.
That's how I interpeted it pretty much.
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I can agree with Strelok's opinion about how many invitees there are but wishing it was a non-Asian tournament is a ****ing joke. I don't care how TSL was run before but if that was a rule I wouldn't have bothered with TSL.
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On March 16 2011 17:24 Velr wrote:I'm probably gonna root for Strelok. His interview actually makes sense. Seriously... A 32 Man tournament with that many invites just does not feel right. It doesn't even matter if they are Koreans or not, some of the other invites are even more "questionable". The amount of invites is just too big. I see 0 reasons to have Huk there but not Mana or Socke, Sjow. There are also about ZERO justifiable reasons to have Haypro there from what he has shown, if he wouldn't be on Liquid, he would not be in this tournament, he would probably not even make it in to cnbc  (i really hope he will do good, i really, really do  ). I just think this takes away from what this tournament could have been and adds about nothing. SOME invites (people that did really good in GSL's for isntance like Idra, Jinro, MC and Nestea) would be perfectly fine, many others just seem forced to generate hype or are fan favorites (Boxer, some liquid guys). Invites are not bad, there are just to many and to many not logical invites. A Grand Slam Tennis tourney is also not inviting Becker/Sampras/McEnroe just because they generate Hype (hi Boxer). Show nested quote +If the Korean's didn't care about the tournament, why would they agree to participate in it. They will still prepare for their matches and everything to the best of their ability... Lol, seriously? Money.
It's the teamliquid starleague. How can you expect TL not to invite it's own players.
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On March 16 2011 14:27 Hot_Bid wrote:
And also I think that success of Koreans is pretty bad for TSL, because for example I, as spectator, really prefer to watch very nicely prepared non-Koreans against each rather than watching the usual games of Koreans, many who don't care about this tournament. If I want to watch Koreans play, I'd go to GomTV.net.
Am i missing something or when did the koreans say they don't care about TSL? Is he just assuming this? Completely baseless and stupid to be honest.
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I agree with Strelok about the invite system.
In the broodwar TSLs the grandeur was due in part to the "belongingness" that could be attributed to all the players involved. In TSL3, I can't quite say this. It feels more like a hodgepodge of baller invites than an epic storyline of struggle to the top.
Of course, Im sure there is something to do with the fact that a ladder qualifier was impossible due to Blizzard Bnet design.
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Well, even though the non-koreans are underdogs by default, I hope that they'll show the results of their hard practise and maybe there will be more "upsets" than anticipated. :-)
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I dunno I kind of agree with Strelok's point that Korean players in general are somewhat apathetic about foreigner tournaments; it's been this way since BW. For a Korean progamer, it's just another tournament that they think they have a good shot at, but for the foreign community, it's huge.
In the end it's better that there are Korean invites, though. It's not a global tournament if you exclude certain players. Not to mention, it adds way more excitement to see your favorite pros pitted up against the Koreans and we get to watch some hype matches like TLO vs freakin NaDa.
I'm actually expecting a lot of upsets after initially thinking the Koreans would take this pretty handily. The previous TSLs have been the biggest sc tournaments in the foreign community and you can bet the foreigners will work their asses off to take this down.
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Uh, if we're actually debating the format, I have more issues with the qualifiers than with the invites. I do agree with Strelok in the sense that if they've already invited half the tournament, they might as well have invited the other half and make it an invite-only.
Qualifier tournament format was quite horrible to be honest. TL Opens are fun to watch as actual tournaments, but I can't help but feel that using them as TSL qualifiers didn't really work that well.
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Wow people just seem to put way too much into what Strelok said, calling him various things because of those few lines. If you disagree with him, just say why and be content at that, no need to sound like you wanna beat him up. He's the one whos calmly explaining things without using words like "pissed" "shit" "stupid" or "fucking joke", you're not. Think about what you say about Strelok and how you look yourself.
As for the criticism itself, I think the main problem is that there couldnt be any qualifiers taking place in Korea. Had it been that, everything sort of would have solved itself. But since that wasnt a possibility, things pretty much have to end up "unfair" in one way or another. Whereas some EU/NA players undoubtedly would have been invited had they been EU/NA invites also, they were forced to go through a hard qualifier instead, where players in Korea got it for free. Im not doubting that those players have the quality to participate in TSL, but they sort of didnt earn their spot in the same way as the EU/NA players did.
There might also become a extra skill difference between the Korean players and the rest, as they seem to largely been chosen depending on GSL result. Meaning that they had several seasons to prove they are among the best in Korea, whereas precvious achievements didnt mean anything for NA/EU players and opened up for more "one-hit-wonders" rather than the best EU/NA had to offer.
Anyway, not saying it could have been done in a much better way without a Korean qualifier. Still pumped for TSL3 and hoping to see a Korean qualifier for TSL4 =).
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Strelok, thank you for telling it how it should be. What I remember from the previous two TSLs was it was the best foreigners, and adding Koreans makes this TSL feel like its tainted or something, and it is total crap that HALF of the players are invited, when most of them should have had to qualify.
EDIT: after going through and reading the comments, I see that most people that are saying "Strelok is wrong about not wanting Koreans" joined TL for SC2, you people have no idea what TSL was like before this. TSL was AMAZING and it made everyone in the foreigner community want to watch cuz it was just US vs US. People with 6 posts saying that what Strelok says is a joke need to step back and realize they cant comment on things they kno nothing of
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On March 16 2011 17:44 red4ce wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 17:24 Velr wrote:I'm probably gonna root for Strelok. His interview actually makes sense. Seriously... A 32 Man tournament with that many invites just does not feel right. It doesn't even matter if they are Koreans or not, some of the other invites are even more "questionable". The amount of invites is just too big. I see 0 reasons to have Huk there but not Mana or Socke, Sjow. There are also about ZERO justifiable reasons to have Haypro there from what he has shown, if he wouldn't be on Liquid, he would not be in this tournament, he would probably not even make it in to cnbc (i really hope he will do good, i really, really do ). I just think this takes away from what this tournament could have been and adds about nothing. SOME invites (people that did really good in GSL's for isntance like Idra, Jinro, MC and Nestea) would be perfectly fine, many others just seem forced to generate hype or are fan favorites (Boxer, some liquid guys). Invites are not bad, there are just to many and to many not logical invites. A Grand Slam Tennis tourney is also not inviting Becker/Sampras/McEnroe just because they generate Hype (hi Boxer). If the Korean's didn't care about the tournament, why would they agree to participate in it. They will still prepare for their matches and everything to the best of their ability... Lol, seriously? Money. It's the teamliquid starleague. How can you expect TL not to invite it's own players.
Some invites, ok, totally "normal", no problem.
Having invited basically all of them, no matter if they have shown anything "great" or not, is overdoing it from my point of view.
Or in other words:
Jinro - Totally justified, would be a shame if he wasn't there.
Ret/Haypro - "Questionable "(and i want nothign more than Ret to win this thing , well, except for Mondragon :p).
I somehow feel a 64 Slot tournament would have been better. This all suddenly wouldn't be an "issue" anymore.
Will be an awesome tourney and i can't wait for it to start anyway
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Lol@fruitdealer describing his personality in a few words. "I will work hard to show you quality games" the same thing every Korean pro says in every interview ever... Oh well he'll always be one of my favorites for defying the might of Terran in season 1.
Looking forward to reading MC's interview, he always seems to show us a little personality.
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Strelok was just annoyed at how they just got handed free invites whilst he and every other "foreigner" had to fight week after week just to qualify on points and quite a number of people missed out because of it.
I'm happy to see a player voice his opinion and not just give robotic and standard answers to everything ranging from the invites to his thoughts on other matches, so well done Strelok!
Thorzain is underrated in the foreign scene, hopefully he can give fruitdealer a good game!
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goody will never win vs nestea not in a million years xD sorry thorzain xP but i think you can win vs fruitdealer 
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On March 16 2011 18:00 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 17:44 red4ce wrote:On March 16 2011 17:24 Velr wrote:I'm probably gonna root for Strelok. His interview actually makes sense. Seriously... A 32 Man tournament with that many invites just does not feel right. It doesn't even matter if they are Koreans or not, some of the other invites are even more "questionable". The amount of invites is just too big. I see 0 reasons to have Huk there but not Mana or Socke, Sjow. There are also about ZERO justifiable reasons to have Haypro there from what he has shown, if he wouldn't be on Liquid, he would not be in this tournament, he would probably not even make it in to cnbc (i really hope he will do good, i really, really do ). I just think this takes away from what this tournament could have been and adds about nothing. SOME invites (people that did really good in GSL's for isntance like Idra, Jinro, MC and Nestea) would be perfectly fine, many others just seem forced to generate hype or are fan favorites (Boxer, some liquid guys). Invites are not bad, there are just to many and to many not logical invites. A Grand Slam Tennis tourney is also not inviting Becker/Sampras/McEnroe just because they generate Hype (hi Boxer). If the Korean's didn't care about the tournament, why would they agree to participate in it. They will still prepare for their matches and everything to the best of their ability... Lol, seriously? Money. It's the teamliquid starleague. How can you expect TL not to invite it's own players. Some invites, ok, totally "normal", no problem. Having invited basically all of them, no matter if they have shown anything "great" or not, is overdoing it from my point of view. Or in other words: Jinro - Totally justified, would be a shame if he wasn't there. Ret/Haypro - "Questionable "(and i want nothign more than Ret to win this thing , well, except for Mondragon :p). I somehow feel a 64 Slot tournament would have been better. This all suddenly wouldn't be an "issue" anymore. Will be an awesome tourney and i can't wait for it to start anyway
I can see why you'd say Haypro doesn't have the resume, but Ret won Assembly didn't he? That should be enough of an accomplishment to warrant an invite considering his limitations on participating in non-Korean tourneys.
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On March 16 2011 18:01 imJealous wrote:
Lol@fruitdealer describing his personality in a few words. "I will work hard to show you quality games" the same thing every Korean pro says in every interview ever... Oh well he's always be one of my favorites for defying the might of Terran in season 1.
Looking forward to reading MC's interview, he always seems to show us a little personality.
What do you want him to say in his interview? That him and the Koreans are gonna crush all foreigners extremely badly in a foreigner's tournament? Yea I would totally say that and be hated by the foreigner's community for being cocky.
And for the Koreans saying that they will work hard is not just a common interview's formality, they really mean that they will work hard. You want them to lie and say: "nah I won't work hard since I'll crush everyone anyway cause I'm amazing?" just to make the interview more exciting and fresh?
I said this before but maybe some people who are only into NA/EU scene do not know but Fruit actually had a trouble past that made him very reserved and appreciative. He was actually really good at SC1 and beating Boxer near his prime but his father was hospitalized so he had to quit progaming and sell fruits on the street (really harsh life that we seldom see in western countries). Now he came back and became successful but still not forgetting his root and is rather proud about a less desirable job by using that as his account name.
If that is not a great personality and emotional far away from being robotic, I don't know what is. Boring interview is only because he really does not know the foreigner's scene that well yet. Korean GSL interviews do bring out exciting stuff in the form of rivalries ect.
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nice interviews
fruitdealer seems to be so sorry for not performing that well lately -.-
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Incredible how some people shit on Strelok like he was some kind of Nazi just because he has a different personal opinion on what would be the best format for this tournament. Poor Strelok!
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On March 16 2011 18:06 red4ce wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 18:00 Velr wrote:On March 16 2011 17:44 red4ce wrote:On March 16 2011 17:24 Velr wrote:I'm probably gonna root for Strelok. His interview actually makes sense. Seriously... A 32 Man tournament with that many invites just does not feel right. It doesn't even matter if they are Koreans or not, some of the other invites are even more "questionable". The amount of invites is just too big. I see 0 reasons to have Huk there but not Mana or Socke, Sjow. There are also about ZERO justifiable reasons to have Haypro there from what he has shown, if he wouldn't be on Liquid, he would not be in this tournament, he would probably not even make it in to cnbc (i really hope he will do good, i really, really do ). I just think this takes away from what this tournament could have been and adds about nothing. SOME invites (people that did really good in GSL's for isntance like Idra, Jinro, MC and Nestea) would be perfectly fine, many others just seem forced to generate hype or are fan favorites (Boxer, some liquid guys). Invites are not bad, there are just to many and to many not logical invites. A Grand Slam Tennis tourney is also not inviting Becker/Sampras/McEnroe just because they generate Hype (hi Boxer). If the Korean's didn't care about the tournament, why would they agree to participate in it. They will still prepare for their matches and everything to the best of their ability... Lol, seriously? Money. It's the teamliquid starleague. How can you expect TL not to invite it's own players. Some invites, ok, totally "normal", no problem. Having invited basically all of them, no matter if they have shown anything "great" or not, is overdoing it from my point of view. Or in other words: Jinro - Totally justified, would be a shame if he wasn't there. Ret/Haypro - "Questionable "(and i want nothign more than Ret to win this thing , well, except for Mondragon :p). I somehow feel a 64 Slot tournament would have been better. This all suddenly wouldn't be an "issue" anymore. Will be an awesome tourney and i can't wait for it to start anyway I can see why you'd say Haypro doesn't have the resume, but Ret won Assembly didn't he? That should be enough of an accomplishment to warrant an invite considering his limitations on participating in non-Korean tourneys.
Yes, Ret has "some" resume (basically Assembly and one weekly tourney, iirc?), but so do tons of others not invited. Just look at the records from some guys like Sjow in the weekly cups/iem and so on, for me the tournament just does not feel "complete" whiteout them... Instead we got some guys, that no one erally knows (they qualified, that makes them entirely legitimate competitors) and "some" questionable invites.
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On March 16 2011 18:09 Leviance wrote:
Incredible how some people shit on Strelok like he was some kind of Nazi just because he has a different personal opinion on what would be the best format for this tournament. Poor Strelok!
It isn't Strelok's complaint about the number of invites that's the problem. It's this quote that's the problem
And also I think that success of Koreans is pretty bad for TSL, because for example I, as spectator, really prefer to watch very nicely prepared non-Koreans against each rather than watching the usual games of Koreans, many who don't care about this tournament. If I want to watch Koreans play, I'd go to GomTV.net.
How can Korean success be bad for TSL? 99% of the people on TL creamed their pants when it was revealed MC/Nestea/MVP were going to play. And why does Strelok assume Koreans don't care about this tournament? I've yet to see one Korean say that.
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