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On March 16 2011 17:59 FlashIsHigh wrote:
Strelok, thank you for telling it how it should be. What I remember from the previous two TSLs was it was the best foreigners, and adding Koreans makes this TSL feel like its tainted or something, and it is total crap that HALF of the players are invited, when most of them should have had to qualify.
EDIT: after going through and reading the comments, I see that most people that are saying "Strelok is wrong about not wanting Koreans" joined TL for SC2, you people have no idea what TSL was like before this. TSL was AMAZING and it made everyone in the foreigner community want to watch cuz it was just US vs US. People with 6 posts saying that what Strelok says is a joke need to step back and realize they cant comment on things they kno nothing of
If it was just a US vs US tournament Strelok wouldn't even be in it unless that little flag next to his name is wrong. If you mean it's a us vs us tournament I'm pretty sure I've seen Korean posters on TL.net.
Just as Strelok is entitled to his opinion even though I want to see him get stomped in his games now, I am entitled to mine. Seems like you want to call me out so I might as well say I don't play SC2 at all I just love watching good games with good commentators. If you're saying the tournament would be better without Koreans I'm not seeing how.
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On March 16 2011 18:52 Hostile wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 17:59 FlashIsHigh wrote:
Strelok, thank you for telling it how it should be. What I remember from the previous two TSLs was it was the best foreigners, and adding Koreans makes this TSL feel like its tainted or something, and it is total crap that HALF of the players are invited, when most of them should have had to qualify.
EDIT: after going through and reading the comments, I see that most people that are saying "Strelok is wrong about not wanting Koreans" joined TL for SC2, you people have no idea what TSL was like before this. TSL was AMAZING and it made everyone in the foreigner community want to watch cuz it was just US vs US. People with 6 posts saying that what Strelok says is a joke need to step back and realize they cant comment on things they kno nothing of If it was just a US vs US tournament Strelok wouldn't even be in it unless that little flag next to his name is wrong. If you mean it's a us vs us tournament I'm pretty sure I've seen Korean posters on TL.net. Just as Strelok is entitled to his opinion even though I want to see him get stomped in his games now, I am entitled to mine. Seems like you want to call me out so I might as well say I don't play SC2 at all I just love watching good games with good commentators. If you're saying the tournament would be better without Koreans I'm not seeing how.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=105526
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Ah, cool. Not half bad interviews. Thanks for this.
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Only some americans could see the TSL as a US vs US "thing".
Hint:
Last time the Top 3 was iirc:
Nony, Mondragon and Sen (USA, Germany, Taiwan).
The TSL was basically everything except South Korea...
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Nice interviews! I'm thinking this could be the most exciting sc2 tournament to date! Have to agree a little bit with Strelok on so many invites and wish we could see Sjow and Socke but it still should be an awesome tourney! gogogog MVP. I'd love to see a foreigner take it but have a feeling it's gonna be 1-2-3 all Koreans. Either way should be awesome to watch...can't wait.
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heh, strelok critical as always. but he has a point - at least in my opinion. the invites should be a little less and the qualification over ladder should grant more spots. still, I guess he reminisces in the good old times of TSL 1 - 2 where it was indeed the best thing to only have foreigners - it was the biggest and most important foreigner tournament, which was taken very seriously by everyone and already one korean would have destroyed it. that's different nowadays. koreans are beatable and the perfection by training that was on an incomprehensibly high level in sc:bw is not yet as far in sc2 (let's just say IEM Hanover was 80% coincidence and 20% skill margin).
if korean training will own white dudes on a more regular basis in the future, as it did in sc:bw, maybe TSL will have to become a foreigner tournament once again.
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Don't hate on strelok because he expressed his opinions in an interview...
I thought FD interview was lacking, he said the same thing over and over and didnt show much personality.
Excited for GoOdy vs Nestea!
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On March 16 2011 18:58 zerglingsfolife wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 18:52 Hostile wrote:On March 16 2011 17:59 FlashIsHigh wrote:
Strelok, thank you for telling it how it should be. What I remember from the previous two TSLs was it was the best foreigners, and adding Koreans makes this TSL feel like its tainted or something, and it is total crap that HALF of the players are invited, when most of them should have had to qualify.
EDIT: after going through and reading the comments, I see that most people that are saying "Strelok is wrong about not wanting Koreans" joined TL for SC2, you people have no idea what TSL was like before this. TSL was AMAZING and it made everyone in the foreigner community want to watch cuz it was just US vs US. People with 6 posts saying that what Strelok says is a joke need to step back and realize they cant comment on things they kno nothing of If it was just a US vs US tournament Strelok wouldn't even be in it unless that little flag next to his name is wrong. If you mean it's a us vs us tournament I'm pretty sure I've seen Korean posters on TL.net. Just as Strelok is entitled to his opinion even though I want to see him get stomped in his games now, I am entitled to mine. Seems like you want to call me out so I might as well say I don't play SC2 at all I just love watching good games with good commentators. If you're saying the tournament would be better without Koreans I'm not seeing how. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=105526Previous TSLs
Strelok said non-Asians so he wants an even bigger ban than before?
Like I said before, if that was how the TSL3 could have been run I wouldn't bother watching. Excluding good players because they're Korean is just dumb and as much as I want to see foreigners defeat Koreans in the GSL (same for TSL3), I hate the idea of that kind of ban, much like how I would be sad if GOMTV stopped inviting foreigners onto their show.
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I was already rooting for Tyler, but after reading Strelok's interview I hope Tyler mercilessly crushes him.
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all of you people hating on strelok is the reason koreans give such cookie butting interviews. They want to avoid that hate for expressing their opinion
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i kind of understand Strelok, and i really dont think its mainly targeted@ the korean gsl-winners like nestea, fd, mvp and mc, but more @ the likes of mondragon, sen, haypro, nony, ret etc.
I DO understand that former winners (or top 3 for that matter) get an edge in another tournament, but i really really really think it is a mistake this time.
This is sc2, it has nothing to do with sc:bw in questions of performance or smtg.
A sen hasnt performed lately, mondragon hasnt been seen around at all, nony hasnt lived up to his potential. Haypro, HuK, Ret would all have had their problems in the us/eu qualifier (even if we take lag out of consideration)
Thats 6 potential spots for player who really "deserve" a spot in this tournament.
It feels really undeserving in those cases (though of course a tyler/huk/ret could have possibly snatched a spot in the qualifiers).
Its a strong opinion strelok showed there, but hey, its his opinion and he is entitled to it. And what better way to tell it than in a interview at tsl3.
Think about it, those 6 spots alone (dont even count in a boxer/genius/loner f.e.), that wouldve been 3 more qualifier (and three more ladder qualificants).
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On March 16 2011 19:11 Hostile wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 18:58 zerglingsfolife wrote:On March 16 2011 18:52 Hostile wrote:On March 16 2011 17:59 FlashIsHigh wrote:
Strelok, thank you for telling it how it should be. What I remember from the previous two TSLs was it was the best foreigners, and adding Koreans makes this TSL feel like its tainted or something, and it is total crap that HALF of the players are invited, when most of them should have had to qualify.
EDIT: after going through and reading the comments, I see that most people that are saying "Strelok is wrong about not wanting Koreans" joined TL for SC2, you people have no idea what TSL was like before this. TSL was AMAZING and it made everyone in the foreigner community want to watch cuz it was just US vs US. People with 6 posts saying that what Strelok says is a joke need to step back and realize they cant comment on things they kno nothing of If it was just a US vs US tournament Strelok wouldn't even be in it unless that little flag next to his name is wrong. If you mean it's a us vs us tournament I'm pretty sure I've seen Korean posters on TL.net. Just as Strelok is entitled to his opinion even though I want to see him get stomped in his games now, I am entitled to mine. Seems like you want to call me out so I might as well say I don't play SC2 at all I just love watching good games with good commentators. If you're saying the tournament would be better without Koreans I'm not seeing how. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=105526Previous TSLs Strelok said non-Asians so he wants an even bigger ban than before? Like I said before, if that was how the TSL3 could have been run I wouldn't bother watching. Excluding good players because they're Korean is just dumb and as much as I want to see foreigners defeat Koreans in the GSL (same for TSL3), I hate the idea of that kind of ban, much like how I would be sad if GOMTV stopped inviting foreigners onto their show.
You don't have to ban them but let them qualify just as foreigners had to do for the first season of the gsl.
They could have had an seperate Korean qualifiers or something for x amount of spots to the tsl.
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On March 16 2011 19:20 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 19:11 Hostile wrote:On March 16 2011 18:58 zerglingsfolife wrote:On March 16 2011 18:52 Hostile wrote:On March 16 2011 17:59 FlashIsHigh wrote:
Strelok, thank you for telling it how it should be. What I remember from the previous two TSLs was it was the best foreigners, and adding Koreans makes this TSL feel like its tainted or something, and it is total crap that HALF of the players are invited, when most of them should have had to qualify.
EDIT: after going through and reading the comments, I see that most people that are saying "Strelok is wrong about not wanting Koreans" joined TL for SC2, you people have no idea what TSL was like before this. TSL was AMAZING and it made everyone in the foreigner community want to watch cuz it was just US vs US. People with 6 posts saying that what Strelok says is a joke need to step back and realize they cant comment on things they kno nothing of If it was just a US vs US tournament Strelok wouldn't even be in it unless that little flag next to his name is wrong. If you mean it's a us vs us tournament I'm pretty sure I've seen Korean posters on TL.net. Just as Strelok is entitled to his opinion even though I want to see him get stomped in his games now, I am entitled to mine. Seems like you want to call me out so I might as well say I don't play SC2 at all I just love watching good games with good commentators. If you're saying the tournament would be better without Koreans I'm not seeing how. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=105526Previous TSLs Strelok said non-Asians so he wants an even bigger ban than before? Like I said before, if that was how the TSL3 could have been run I wouldn't bother watching. Excluding good players because they're Korean is just dumb and as much as I want to see foreigners defeat Koreans in the GSL (same for TSL3), I hate the idea of that kind of ban, much like how I would be sad if GOMTV stopped inviting foreigners onto their show. You don't have to ban them but let them qualify just as foreigners had to do for the first season of the gsl. They could have had an seperate Korean qualifiers or something for x amount of spots to the tsl.
It was explained right at the beginning why they didn't have Asians, or people living in Asia, qualify. The logistics involved were simply too great. You either had a bunch of people using other peoples accounts and having to worry about latency and the like, or you had a bunch of massive tournaments with a bunch of Koreans participating of which 90% can't speak English. It'd be a clusterfuck.
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On March 16 2011 19:20 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 19:11 Hostile wrote:On March 16 2011 18:58 zerglingsfolife wrote:On March 16 2011 18:52 Hostile wrote:On March 16 2011 17:59 FlashIsHigh wrote:
Strelok, thank you for telling it how it should be. What I remember from the previous two TSLs was it was the best foreigners, and adding Koreans makes this TSL feel like its tainted or something, and it is total crap that HALF of the players are invited, when most of them should have had to qualify.
EDIT: after going through and reading the comments, I see that most people that are saying "Strelok is wrong about not wanting Koreans" joined TL for SC2, you people have no idea what TSL was like before this. TSL was AMAZING and it made everyone in the foreigner community want to watch cuz it was just US vs US. People with 6 posts saying that what Strelok says is a joke need to step back and realize they cant comment on things they kno nothing of If it was just a US vs US tournament Strelok wouldn't even be in it unless that little flag next to his name is wrong. If you mean it's a us vs us tournament I'm pretty sure I've seen Korean posters on TL.net. Just as Strelok is entitled to his opinion even though I want to see him get stomped in his games now, I am entitled to mine. Seems like you want to call me out so I might as well say I don't play SC2 at all I just love watching good games with good commentators. If you're saying the tournament would be better without Koreans I'm not seeing how. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=105526Previous TSLs Strelok said non-Asians so he wants an even bigger ban than before? Like I said before, if that was how the TSL3 could have been run I wouldn't bother watching. Excluding good players because they're Korean is just dumb and as much as I want to see foreigners defeat Koreans in the GSL (same for TSL3), I hate the idea of that kind of ban, much like how I would be sad if GOMTV stopped inviting foreigners onto their show. You don't have to ban them but let them qualify just as foreigners had to do for the first season of the gsl. They could have had an seperate Korean qualifiers or something for x amount of spots to the tsl.
I'm not sure you've been following the TSL3, but they addressed this earlier in the process. They felt they couldn't handle the logistical aspect of having a qualifier in Korea. I.e. getting enough translators, get korean accounts (you need to have a korean unique identification nymber), the latency issue, etc.
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On March 16 2011 18:22 red4ce wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 18:09 Leviance wrote:
Incredible how some people shit on Strelok like he was some kind of Nazi just because he has a different personal opinion on what would be the best format for this tournament. Poor Strelok! It isn't Strelok's complaint about the number of invites that's the problem. It's this quote that's the problem Show nested quote +
And also I think that success of Koreans is pretty bad for TSL, because for example I, as spectator, really prefer to watch very nicely prepared non-Koreans against each rather than watching the usual games of Koreans, many who don't care about this tournament. If I want to watch Koreans play, I'd go to GomTV.net.
How can Korean success be bad for TSL? 99% of the people on TL creamed their pants when it was revealed MC/Nestea/MVP were going to play. And why does Strelok assume Koreans don't care about this tournament? I've yet to see one Korean say that.
With "format" I didn't exclusively mean number of invites.
He stated his opinion as you stated yours. Just for the record: I disagree with him, too. But let's look at some other of his opinions:
Strelok wrote:
I played very bad in the qualifiers and shouldn't have qualified.
Noone mentioned this, but people accuse him of being afraid to face a Korean -> he isn't even sure to deserve to be in TSL himself.
The way some people insult Strelok for expressing his opinion just doesn't seem adequate. Basically he just stated that he personally would be more excited about a format like TSL1 and TSL2 with only top foreigners going at it.
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god tsl 2 was awesome, just can not wait for tsl3
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Aw, fruitdealer almost seems depressed in the interview. But then again, in his up-n-down match he absolutely smashed Virus. I like Thorzain from Wc3, but I don't think playing lame will be an option against 'dealer in his current shape.
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Strelok said everything right, they should have either make non-Korean tournament or don't invite Liquid members as 'Koreans'. They could qualify in fair way just like TLO did.
But obviously any criticism will be received negatively here by Liquid fanboys that don't bother enough to read twice to understand what man said.
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first of all, great interviews!
secondly, am i the only one who hates how koreans answer interviews? i really don't know if it's cultural thing or not, but it's like fruitdealer got no personality whatsoever. he answered his questions with one-two short sentences, with usual "i wiill practice hard and try to win" bullshit. compared to the other 3, his interview was the worst one.
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I have to say I kinda agree with Strelok. You don't get quite as excitied when most matchups are pretty predictible.. Even in FD's interview he basically said he accepted the invite because he had performed poorly lately and wanted to feel good about himself through stomping some noobs.
I guess everything can happen in a game of starcraft, but to me top 4 sadly seems pretty predetermined.
On March 16 2011 19:39 Madest wrote:
Strelok said everything right, they should have either make non-Korean tournament or don't invite Liquid members as 'Koreans'. They could qualify in fair way just like TLO did.
But obviously any criticism will be received negatively here by Liquid fanboys that don't bother enough to read twice to understand what man said.
I don't agree with him saying that it's bad they invited the Liquid players. I mean come on. This is the Team Liquid Starleague.. You can't expect them not to invite their own players -.-' That's like not showing up to your own birthday party.
If you're gonna go all out emo, and talk about Liquid fanboys on Team fucking Liquid.net, you should pack and leave, kid.
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