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57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
February 09 2011 21:54 GMT
#141
Love all the maps excluding Crap station. Sigh, i guess I better un-veto it. Honestly, the only time i managed to win on the map was a few times with lucky void ray rushes.
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ccHaZaRd
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada1024 Posts
February 09 2011 21:57 GMT
#142
scrap station and tal darim altar should be removed and you should have a super solid and balanced map pool, and i have played on both iccup/gsl maps and the gsl maps are much better.
DerekJCEX
Profile Joined June 2009
United States64 Posts
February 09 2011 21:58 GMT
#143
Awesome news! I would get rid of Scrap and Crossfire. It would pain me to get rid of another one of those maps though :D
OverZero
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States271 Posts
February 09 2011 22:05 GMT
#144
No iCCup maps? I'm kinda surprised by that. I think some of them would be a better choice than scrap station.
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Smigi
Profile Joined April 2010
United States328 Posts
February 09 2011 22:06 GMT
#145
Nice stuff, thanks for not being mindless like some other tournaments and putting in steppes/delta/basin ect. into the map pool.

This is pretty much a solid statement to all tournaments to stop using the broken maps.
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TemplarCo.
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico2870 Posts
February 09 2011 22:10 GMT
#146
Nice maps but I'd like to see more iCCup maps and Lost Temple in there, but still very good maps :D
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Reptilia
Profile Joined June 2010
Chile913 Posts
February 09 2011 22:10 GMT
#147
Definetly:
Metalopolis
Xel Naga
Terminus Re
Shakuras Plateau

Definetly not:
scrap station

and i dislike the others 2 but i guess they are decent. But why only this maps? there are great maps like Prodig's Valhalla or Neo Enigma
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Panicc
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany163 Posts
February 09 2011 22:16 GMT
#148
could n mod warn these guys here who are talking shit? thats annoying pls i dont want them to be in the same room with me..

Good idea to only take the best 5-6 maps.
FrodaN
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
754 Posts
February 09 2011 22:24 GMT
#149
Scrap station would be a poor choice...as any (and almost every) PvP, there will be a 4 gate or proxy on that map.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25986 Posts
February 09 2011 22:28 GMT
#150
On February 10 2011 06:54 Ironical wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2011 06:32 TaKemE wrote:
On February 10 2011 06:07 Ironical wrote:
Crossfire SE is a million times worse than Scrap Station ever was.

The main problem with it is that there are just so many ramps that allow anyone to easily split the map by setting up an almost impenetrable defensive position, not to mention literally every area in the map can be walled off with no more than three force fields. It sets up a whole number of balance problems that will limit numbers of options Terran and Protoss can go for while almost automatically killing Zerg - I haven't even touched on the fact that the third is so far away from the natural.

I'm a Protoss player and it's easy to see how easily Colossi would dominate on this map if one simply plays defensively on Sentry based play.

I don't have many complaints about the other maps, though. Scrap Station isn't great but I'd take it over Crossfire any day.


You clearly havent played Crossfire SE, yes most of the places on the map can be walled of with 2-3 FF's but the map is made so its very easy to come with an army from more then one side. The only place one the map that is very hard to attack a protoss army is where there are 2 ramps to a high ground but there is no reson you should attack a protoss there as zerg since they cant hit any base from there.


You clearly do not have eyeballs. There's absolutely way to stop a Protoss from simply playing defensively and creating a deathball on this map. None. First, of course it's possible to flank, as is possible on any map, but that's made extremely less effective by the fact that A) the avenues of attack have starting points that diverge very far from where you would attack to flank, essentially splitting your army for very long periods of time, then B) the reason why forcefields would be so powerful is that it would be entirely possible to simply forcefield off a flanking army.

Of course that's possible on any map, but when all the paths are this narrow, it's a million times easier.

This is great theorycrafting, but there are plenty of ways to mitigate this problem for a competent player.
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Shifft
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1085 Posts
February 09 2011 22:28 GMT
#151
Get rid of scrap station for sure, and the second worst in my opinion would be Metalopolis, simply because of the possibility of close spawns.
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CanucksJC
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1241 Posts
February 09 2011 22:29 GMT
#152
Pretty sure Scrap Station doesn't belong in that list
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TimeOut
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1277 Posts
February 09 2011 22:31 GMT
#153
While I agree with the general selection of maps, I'm very disappointed to see that no ICCup maps were considered. This would have been the perfect opportunity for TL to help ICCup gain their footing in the tournament maps scene, something which they undoubtedly deserve.

But everything that can be said about that has already been said.

Are Metalopolis, Scrap Station and Xel'naga Caverns considered for inclusion in the original Blizzard version or in a modified version (e.g. GSL / custom)?

I actually like the inclusion of Scrap Station, it has a different feel to it compared with the other maps, maybe comparable with close air positions on Metalopolis. Makes for some interesting games to watch.
Baituri
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands1501 Posts
February 09 2011 22:35 GMT
#154
Would love to see some iCCup maps in there. Actually I am disliking the Official Blizzard maps at the moment. I have just played/seen to many matches of it already. It would be nice if we can get a nice mix of iCCup and GSL maps.
Kyhol
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2575 Posts
February 09 2011 22:38 GMT
#155
Remove scrap and the map line up will be superb.
Wishing you well.
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
February 09 2011 22:47 GMT
#156
i always expect iccup.diamond to show up whenever maps are mentioned. haven't been disappointed yet.
i agree with ghostclaw. iccup.diamond would be benefit from some humility that there are at least some tournament organizers that are accepting iccup's amateur (as in not being contracted/paid) maps.
Ascend
Profile Joined July 2010
United States120 Posts
February 09 2011 22:52 GMT
#157
My money is on Shakura's Plateau and Scrap Station being removed from the map pool. I think "Refined Scrap Station" would have a better chance, but as-is, has a few too many positional flaws for it to be seriously considered.
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ALang
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada288 Posts
February 09 2011 22:54 GMT
#158
How is scrap station making the map pool every week.
butter
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States785 Posts
February 09 2011 23:01 GMT
#159
Don't worry! It just wouldn't be TSL without seemingly insurmountable map imbalance. Wuthering Heights? wololo
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knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
February 09 2011 23:05 GMT
#160
Honestly I don't like metalopolis in this pool. You are trying your best to eliminate horrid imbalances in maps but the close position metal is like trying to play on steppes without a decent 3rd base option. If your players say the 33% chance is small enough for them, then cool. I don't consider it a shoo-in whatsoever.
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