EPTTSL Player Eligibility and Nongminzerg - Page 10
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
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SonuvBob
Aiur21550 Posts
On November 12 2009 14:11 FallingTeardrops wrote: so it wasnt just sorrow's posts? =[ Looks like it was just his posts (29 of em!) and the direct responses to his posts (most of which were by HB, l10f, and myself). | ||
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
On November 12 2009 14:38 SonuvBob wrote: Looks like it was just his posts (29 of em!) and the direct responses to his posts (most of which were by HB, l10f, and myself). All my posts were deleted and I thought I was more than reasonable with the wording of my posts. Oh well, I just view it as some ppl don't take criticism very well =/. Edit: I had checked before and did not see them in either thread. Apparently someone moved them so now they're missing. | ||
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SonuvBob
Aiur21550 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32277 Posts
hopefully nongmin can play on TSL3 if it ever happens. His stream is great ^_____^ nongmin fighting!! | ||
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
That seems the fairest way to go about things as we're creating an amateur scene and not just a foreigner one. | ||
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G3nXsiS
United States656 Posts
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
On November 12 2009 13:54 machinehead.. wrote: You're stupid and irrational if you think Idra, who has been a pro for 2 or more years, who plays against the top players in the world all day is going to not be in the finals if he is allowed to play. O boy, there might be some surprises on who qualifies, but I doubt the top 4 or 8 will be much of a surprise. If having grown up in a Korean environment is advantageous enough, it's odd how living in a pro house could seem less of an advantage if you are non Korean... Sooner or later, people are going to start becoming pro simply for the chance to train to play in events like TSL. People who are given the chance/good enough, obviously. The bolded part is GOOD! That's a GOOD thing! The whole point of TSL is to promote the foreigner community and develop it towards a professional scene. From this perspective, I think the TL's staff's decisions about player eligibility are pretty clear and understandable. Sucks for Nongmin though, good luck to him in Courage if he does go. | ||
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
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muramasa
Canada1299 Posts
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
If idra's goal is to become a progamer, perhaps he should have spent more efforts in making his presence felt in Korea. So far, however, he did none of that - I think he is going to be stuck in B-team for a while, if not forever. I make this claim beacuse I saw recently idra played a few matches against Stork on IEF, during which he was crushed like oreo cookies. In particular, during one game idra was shown to be completely incompetent in dealing with dark templars and typed gg immediately. That game made me question idra's actual abilities. Let me put it this way. Idra going to Korea is sort of like going to universities to play sports, but instead of trying to compete in his own league inside of universities, he only competes with middleschool students (foreigners), crush them, then get bad mannered and call names. I think idra is sour loser and he should withdraw himself from TSL ASAP. | ||
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Substandard
Italy270 Posts
On November 12 2009 18:05 illu wrote: I make this claim beacuse I saw recently idra played a few matches against Stork on IEF, during which he was crushed like oreo cookies. Omg, Idra lost against the probably best PvT in the world. Clearly that makes him incompetent. | ||
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
On November 12 2009 18:13 Substandard wrote: Omg, Idra lost against the probably best PvT in the world. Clearly that makes him incompetent. There is a huge difference between "played well but nevertheless lost to the best PvT" and "simply getting rolled over". | ||
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
On November 12 2009 17:57 muramasa wrote: It seems really unfair to the other players that Idra and Ret will be allowed to play in TSL. Those two have a huge advantage over all other players in that they get to practice with pro gamers every single day and that they have way more practice time since it is literally their job to play SC at the moment. I can't see how it makes sense to allow players who are actively training with pro teams in but not allow someone with no pro affiliation in because they grew up in different areas. Clearly Idra/ret have a huuuge advantage over Nongmin, no matter where any of them are living. I understand that this is a rules issue, but in this case the rules seem shortsighted and bent to allow foreign pros like Idra and ret to participate. | ||
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
On November 12 2009 18:24 Eiii wrote: I can't see how it makes sense to allow players who are actively training with pro teams in but not allow someone with no pro affiliation in because they grew up in different areas. Clearly Idra/ret have a huuuge advantage over Nongmin, no matter where any of them are living. I understand that this is a rules issue, but in this case the rules seem shortsighted and bent to allow foreign pros like Idra and ret to participate. Rather, I think the rule was made in such a way that idra could play. What a stupid tournament, I have to say. | ||
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
On November 12 2009 18:26 illu wrote: Rather, I think the rule was made in such a way that idra could play. What a stupid tournament, I have to say. Not a stupid tournament, but a stupid decision for sure. I'd have loved to see him play. | ||
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
On November 12 2009 18:28 Eiii wrote: And how is attending high school in the US not 'growing up' there? It's not like he was playing SC when he was 8, right? The point is that he is competing in a place that is out of his league. On November 12 2009 18:28 Eiii wrote: Not a stupid tournament, but a stupid decision for sure. I'd have loved to see him play. You seemed to have forgotten about idra's stupid comments on the valor tournament. Because he is playing in Korea right now, he is looking down to other foreigners that are not in Korea. He wants to participate in this tournament only because he wants the prize money and his skills are too weak for him to make money playing in Korea. So I honestly do not see why anyone wants to see him play. | ||
Daigomi
South Africa4316 Posts
On November 12 2009 18:24 Eiii wrote: I can't see how it makes sense to allow players who are actively training with pro teams in but not allow someone with no pro affiliation in because they grew up in different areas. Clearly Idra/ret have a huuuge advantage over Nongmin, no matter where any of them are living. I understand that this is a rules issue, but in this case the rules seem shortsighted and bent to allow foreign pros like Idra and ret to participate. If you read the OP, you would see that the rules are indeed bent to allow foreign progamers to participate. Why? Because our goal is to promote the achievement of foreigners, not to hamper them further by kicking them out of the TSL once they get an opporutinity to go to SK. If we're all honest about this, no foreigner has achieved much in SK in the last four or five years. In fact, playing in tournaments like the TSL is most likely the only way in which foreign progamers can perform to their best. Do you really think that by forcing players like Ret or Idra to choose between becoming a progaming b-teamer (not that they can't move up, but historically, this hasn't happened very often) and participating in the TSL, we are improving the foreign community? We want to provide the best possible motivation for the foreign community to excel, and by cutting them out of the community once they get an opportunity to go pro, we are not doing that. I can tell you now, however, that if we thought that Idra's progamer training gave him such an unfair advantage that he would win this for sure, we would not have allowed him to play. We do not want foreign progamers to kill the foreign scene either. As it is, we feel that there are more than enough non-professional foreigners that can compete with Idra, and we do not think allowing Idra to play interferes with our larger goals for the tournament. | ||
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
On November 12 2009 18:38 Daigomi wrote: If you read the OP, you would see that the rules are indeed bent to allow foreign progamers to participate. Why? Because our goal is to promote the achievement of foreigners, not to hamper them further by kicking them out of the TSL once they get an opporutinity to go to SK. If we're all honest about this, no foreigner has achieved much in SK in the last four or five years. In fact, playing in tournaments like the TSL is most likely the only way in which foreign progamers can perform to their best. Do you really think that by forcing players like Ret or Idra to choose between becoming a progaming b-teamer (not that they can't move up, but historically, this hasn't happened very often) and participating in the TSL, we are improving the foreign community? We want to provide the best possible motivation for the foreign community to excel, and by cutting them out of the community once they get an opportunity to go pro, we are not doing that. I can tell you now, however, that if we thought that Idra's progamer training gave him such an unfair advantage that he would win this for sure, we would not have allowed him to play. We do not want foreign progamers to kill the foreign scene either. As it is, we feel that there are more than enough non-professional foreigners that can compete with Idra, and we do not think allowing Idra to play interferes with our larger goals for the tournament. Why is forcing nongmin to choose between moving back to Korea and playing in the TSL any better for the foreigner community? As far as I'm concerned, he's a member of the foreign community as well, and I can't think of one good reason to exclude him. | ||
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
On November 12 2009 18:38 Daigomi wrote: If you read the OP, you would see that the rules are indeed bent to allow foreign progamers to participate. Why? Because our goal is to promote the achievement of foreigners, not to hamper them further by kicking them out of the TSL once they get an opporutinity to go to SK. If we're all honest about this, no foreigner has achieved much in SK in the last four or five years. In fact, playing in tournaments like the TSL is most likely the only way in which foreign progamers are can perform to their best. Do you really think that by forcing players like Ret or Idra to choose between becoming a progaming b-teamer (not that they can't move up, but historically, this hasn't happened very often) and participating in the TSL, we are improving the foreign community? We want to provide the best possible motivation for the foreign community to excel, and by cutting them out of the community once they get an opportunity to go pro, we are not doing that. I can tell you now, however, that if we thought that Idra's progamer training gave him such an unfair advantage that he would win this for sure, we would not have allowed him to play. We do not want foreign progamers to kill the foreign scene either. As it is, we feel that there are more than enough non-professional foreigners that can compete with Idra, and we do not think allowing Idra to play interferes with our larger goals for the tournament. Excuse me sir. I must be stupid or something. You seem to be claiming that this tournament gives foreigner players the [best possible??] motivation to excel their gameplay. But this contradicts with accepting idra into the tournament already - because he should be trying to get into the A-team right now; but winning this tournament will NOT bring him one-step closer to the A-team because I am sure that the progaming team will NOT recognize a win on the TSL as an achievement big enough to have him considered as a good player. And let me mention this again. From his rude remarks about other foreigner during the valor tournament, he has already shown to have no respect for other foreign players because he thinks he has stepped outside of that circle already. For him to participate in this tournament, he is only in it for the money since there is nothing for him to achieve here. Understandably he will need financial support while living in Korea cleaning tiolets, but I think it's more effective if we set up a charity to support him financially than having this charade tournament. | ||
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