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On May 04 2011 06:24 BloodNinja wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 05:50 Selkie wrote:
Thank you, I figured it was something similar, but I wasn't sure if it was time or post count ^_^
Curse my excessive lurking =D Just PM a mod with a link to the post in question if you dont havea button (like me as well). It takes a bit longer but does the same thing.
Or use IRC.
I did that until I got my report button 3 months ago.
On May 04 2011 15:42 Froadac wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 15:33 darmousseh wrote:
Have you guys considered using a points moderating system like mmo-champion.com? I think it would really help the community to understand the moderation better.
For example, if someone trolls they earn 5 points. A balance whine is 3 points. A one line post is 1 point. Something offensive if 10 points etc.
And then different things expire at different times so maybe an offensive would last 180 days while a troll would only last 4 weeks. If at any time a person's points go above a certain threshold, they get an automated ban based on the # of points they have.
When I first joined team liquid I got 2 warnings and a 2 day ban for "moderating" posts by saying that a certain thread should be closed. I was very confused since most forums don't warn/ban for that kind of behaviour but it took a 2 day ban for me to figure out. If instead I had gotten say 4 points for each warning and I could visually check to see my current infractions, then it would be very obvious to me that if I do it 1 more time, I will receive a 2 day ban instead of all of a sudden getting banned.
I think it will help make things a lot more consistent and fair since it's a system and method for banning rather than a council or individual moderator. A lot of it is based on tradition. Tl.net is historically known for being snappy and precise with punishment, and for lack of a better terms, not skirting around the edges.
I think it's based more on confidence of the staff's judgment than tradition. By implementing a system, you're telling the staff how hard and how much should a person get punished and completely sweeping the context of XYZ offense. rather than letting them determine what is suitable; especially when those staff members have the tools to make a precise and clear decision (and thus don't need to rely on a point system to dictate how much or why this person deserves what they deserve).
Also, a visual and public point system would only increase trolling and blatant disregard for rules. One would intentionally do XY offense in order to remain above the sea-level of a ban or temp. ban.
Sure, you get consistency with the point system, but not everything is as simple or as easily distinguished in terms of degrees when it comes to breaking rules.
edit: dammit, the above said it better than me, too many smart people on TL D:
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On May 04 2011 17:00 Torte de Lini wrote:
edit: dammit, the above said it better than me, too many smart people on TL D:
Nah, you put it well, don't be sorry.
TL is a better place for moderating the forums in their own way. The quality of these forums are much higher than most on the internet, and the only thing keeping them from being of the highest standard is the amount of work required to cleanse all the shit that makes it way to the pages. I really like how things are handled, even though i normally have a problem with authorities being too strict.
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On May 04 2011 00:54 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 07:59 Lucumo wrote:Yeah, that's the problem. Clear(er) guidelines would help a lot so that I know what is worth reporting and what is not. On May 03 2011 07:01 Torte de Lini wrote:
From my experience, staff only are strict on some key points such as bad topics (really opinionated or balance whines), disrespect and racist/sexist/explicit material. I remember reporting someone who called a progamer a "fucking noob" but he was neither warned nor banned. So sometimes it's pretty inconsistent. If a post is bad (by common sense), report it. If you're not sure, don't report it. Leave it up to the staff to know and enforce the policies - We don't expect you to know all our policies precisely. User reports are just the first net that catches all the common sense stupidity.
I have no common sense though, I moderated several big forums before  So I definitely think it's bad but I'm not sure whether the moderators think so as well and: "Misuse of this feature will result in your access being revoked." does seem kinda scary(and I don't want to lose the possibility to report someone). Knowing about the policies of the several sections/moderators will result in more effective reporting and lessens the work of them which is preferable, I think.
"Son i am disappoint
Should have sent out Skyhigh for ace..."
I would definitely regard this one as bad. Normal post+rule violation=bad post. If it's a pretty good post but the poster does include something stupid, then it would still be ok.
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The only thing bad about it is the meme use, it's quite common for people to think "we woulda TOTALLY won if x player was sent instead of y player".
Relate it to a soccer match, fx that "oh x player woulda totally scored instead of y player in that situation, damn why didnt w player pass the ball to that dude, he is totally better and woulda scored".
Hypothetical speculation in LR threads are common and cannot be avoided (assuming it's been posted in a LR thread), because as it's said before LR threads are the only place where you can act like in a sports club.
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Hm? But that's what I said, right under the quote. Normal post("Should have sent out Skyhigh for ace...")+rule violation("Son i am disappoint")=bad post(overall).
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Hyrule19228 Posts
On May 04 2011 18:13 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 00:54 Chill wrote:On May 03 2011 07:59 Lucumo wrote:Yeah, that's the problem. Clear(er) guidelines would help a lot so that I know what is worth reporting and what is not. On May 03 2011 07:01 Torte de Lini wrote:
From my experience, staff only are strict on some key points such as bad topics (really opinionated or balance whines), disrespect and racist/sexist/explicit material. I remember reporting someone who called a progamer a "fucking noob" but he was neither warned nor banned. So sometimes it's pretty inconsistent. If a post is bad (by common sense), report it. If you're not sure, don't report it. Leave it up to the staff to know and enforce the policies - We don't expect you to know all our policies precisely. User reports are just the first net that catches all the common sense stupidity. I have no common sense though, I moderated several big forums before So I definitely think it's bad but I'm not sure whether the moderators think so as well and: "Misuse of this feature will result in your access being revoked." does seem kinda scary(and I don't want to lose the possibility to report someone). Knowing about the policies of the several sections/moderators will result in more effective reporting and lessens the work of them which is preferable, I think. I would definitely regard this one as bad. Normal post+rule violation=bad post. If it's a pretty good post but the poster does include something stupid, then it would still be ok.
It's not 1 bad report = revoked. It actually takes several bad (or questionable) reports for that. I've reported many many many things. In one streak, I reported half a thread. A banling sent me a PM asking me to knock it off, and when I explained myself and he explained himself, we both understood each other and that was the end of it.
But that's how it works with most of the actions mods and banlings take. If you have a logical reason for doing what you did (that is acceptable, ie: "I called him a douche because he's a douche" is logical but not acceptable), they will hear you out and sometimes lessen your punishment. For instance, I was once warned for a post, but I didn't understand why. I PM'd a banling I saw who was online and asked about it, and after clearing up the reasoning (poor wording on my part made it a very hostile post, when it was intended to be quite defensive :|) I was effectively unwarned.
So, as long as you're not consistently bad and can back up your actions with logical and acceptable reasoning, you'll be fine.
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Hmm, it seems Brees has posted something in my blog that caused him/her to get a 2week temp ban.
My blog claims its first victim *Evil smirk*
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On May 04 2011 21:26 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 18:13 Lucumo wrote:On May 04 2011 00:54 Chill wrote:On May 03 2011 07:59 Lucumo wrote:Yeah, that's the problem. Clear(er) guidelines would help a lot so that I know what is worth reporting and what is not. On May 03 2011 07:01 Torte de Lini wrote:
From my experience, staff only are strict on some key points such as bad topics (really opinionated or balance whines), disrespect and racist/sexist/explicit material. I remember reporting someone who called a progamer a "fucking noob" but he was neither warned nor banned. So sometimes it's pretty inconsistent. If a post is bad (by common sense), report it. If you're not sure, don't report it. Leave it up to the staff to know and enforce the policies - We don't expect you to know all our policies precisely. User reports are just the first net that catches all the common sense stupidity. I have no common sense though, I moderated several big forums before So I definitely think it's bad but I'm not sure whether the moderators think so as well and: "Misuse of this feature will result in your access being revoked." does seem kinda scary(and I don't want to lose the possibility to report someone). Knowing about the policies of the several sections/moderators will result in more effective reporting and lessens the work of them which is preferable, I think.
"Son i am disappoint
Should have sent out Skyhigh for ace..."
I would definitely regard this one as bad. Normal post+rule violation=bad post. If it's a pretty good post but the poster does include something stupid, then it would still be ok. It's not 1 bad report = revoked. It actually takes several bad (or questionable) reports for that. I've reported many many many things. In one streak, I reported half a thread. A banling sent me a PM asking me to knock it off, and when I explained myself and he explained himself, we both understood each other and that was the end of it.
Thank you, that puts my mind somewhat at ease. And I'm confident that I can always explain myself should it be necessary.
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I'm glad a lot of people (two) were here to say what I would have said about the points system suggestion. Good work team! [high five]
On May 05 2011 00:26 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 21:26 tofucake wrote:On May 04 2011 18:13 Lucumo wrote:On May 04 2011 00:54 Chill wrote:On May 03 2011 07:59 Lucumo wrote:Yeah, that's the problem. Clear(er) guidelines would help a lot so that I know what is worth reporting and what is not. On May 03 2011 07:01 Torte de Lini wrote:
From my experience, staff only are strict on some key points such as bad topics (really opinionated or balance whines), disrespect and racist/sexist/explicit material. I remember reporting someone who called a progamer a "fucking noob" but he was neither warned nor banned. So sometimes it's pretty inconsistent. If a post is bad (by common sense), report it. If you're not sure, don't report it. Leave it up to the staff to know and enforce the policies - We don't expect you to know all our policies precisely. User reports are just the first net that catches all the common sense stupidity. I have no common sense though, I moderated several big forums before So I definitely think it's bad but I'm not sure whether the moderators think so as well and: "Misuse of this feature will result in your access being revoked." does seem kinda scary(and I don't want to lose the possibility to report someone). Knowing about the policies of the several sections/moderators will result in more effective reporting and lessens the work of them which is preferable, I think.
"Son i am disappoint
Should have sent out Skyhigh for ace..."
I would definitely regard this one as bad. Normal post+rule violation=bad post. If it's a pretty good post but the poster does include something stupid, then it would still be ok. It's not 1 bad report = revoked. It actually takes several bad (or questionable) reports for that. I've reported many many many things. In one streak, I reported half a thread. A banling sent me a PM asking me to knock it off, and when I explained myself and he explained himself, we both understood each other and that was the end of it. Thank you, that puts my mind somewhat at ease. And I'm confident that I can always explain myself should it be necessary.
Like you, I'm always worried about getting my report button revoked, but I think it's a lot like posting and that common sense will go a long way. I think the rule is there mostly to prevent people from reporting people as sort of a personal vendetta. Anyway, it's exactly as tofucake said.
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On May 04 2011 18:13 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 00:54 Chill wrote:On May 03 2011 07:59 Lucumo wrote:Yeah, that's the problem. Clear(er) guidelines would help a lot so that I know what is worth reporting and what is not. On May 03 2011 07:01 Torte de Lini wrote:
From my experience, staff only are strict on some key points such as bad topics (really opinionated or balance whines), disrespect and racist/sexist/explicit material. I remember reporting someone who called a progamer a "fucking noob" but he was neither warned nor banned. So sometimes it's pretty inconsistent. If a post is bad (by common sense), report it. If you're not sure, don't report it. Leave it up to the staff to know and enforce the policies - We don't expect you to know all our policies precisely. User reports are just the first net that catches all the common sense stupidity. I have no common sense though, I moderated several big forums before So I definitely think it's bad but I'm not sure whether the moderators think so as well and: "Misuse of this feature will result in your access being revoked." does seem kinda scary(and I don't want to lose the possibility to report someone). Knowing about the policies of the several sections/moderators will result in more effective reporting and lessens the work of them which is preferable, I think. I would definitely regard this one as bad. Normal post+rule violation=bad post. If it's a pretty good post but the poster does include something stupid, then it would still be ok.
If you second-guess yourself, don't report. You make it sound like there's a huge burden on you to act correctly. You have the option of doing nothing.
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On May 04 2011 21:26 tofucake wrote:
In one streak, I reported half a thread.
Please don't do this X_X...in your report, just say something along the lines of "the entire thread is bad, please check it out." Reporting half a thread just clogs up the report queue.
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On May 05 2011 04:34 TheResidentEvil wrote:IdrA calls all his fan boys onto SOTG and then lays into Day9. Wow. How can you people not see the similarities between him and hitler.here you go. I am not just saying idra is a nazi. "The people were poor and dying of starvation and disease. The country was broke from fighting the war and as stated in the Treaty of Versailles had to pay the Allies large sums of money to compensate for the suffering caused by the war. The only way the country could come up with the funds needed was to tax its people heavily." This was Germany. Hitler comes along and says something people want to hear. They want to blame someone/something. Propaganda. Zerg was on its way down. MC stomps Zerg. Zergs are frantically trying to get this fixed. Suddendly...idra comes a long. People don't want to hear its your problem get better/fix it. IdrA says, no..its not your problem. its the game. Zergs start jumping on the bandwagon. Idra's propaganda is this SOTG episode. Its so similar! Luckily...blizzard can step in and stop you people before all kinds of protoss have to die Wake up. IdrA is a cult leader. WAKE UP!!!User was temp banned for this post.
pretty much cried laughing from this post because i read the bolded parts before I read the entire post and i was 100% sure this guy had to be mocking the tin foil hats in the osama bin laden thread, but i was wrong.
just more proof for godwin's law: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."
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Does anyone know what thread has produced the most bans to date? LR thread, US politics or religion debate?
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On May 05 2011 06:34 hifriend wrote:
Does anyone know what thread has produced the most bans to date? LR thread, US politics or religion debate?
You may want to specify if you mean absolute number of bans or proportion of bans.
You may also want to specify if you mean by number of unique poster, as having one shit poster that posts 20 terrible posts before being banned would affect that.
You should also specify some weight for ban duration.
As an aside, I'm curious in this as well.
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United States11393 Posts
On May 05 2011 06:34 hifriend wrote:
Does anyone know what thread has produced the most bans to date? LR thread, US politics or religion debate?
Just get Idra talking about religion in the next state of the game and you'll get your answer.
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On May 05 2011 06:52 Empyrean wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 06:34 hifriend wrote:
Does anyone know what thread has produced the most bans to date? LR thread, US politics or religion debate? You may want to specify if you mean absolute number of bans or proportion of bans. You may also want to specify if you mean by number of unique poster, as having one shit poster that posts 20 terrible posts before being banned would affect that. You should also specify some weight for ban duration. As an aside, I'm curious in this as well.
I would guess the answer to all those questions is probably the TL Beta Roulette. Although I'm curious about "real" threads.
Edit: I guess I didn't really read the post correctly. Oh well, any chance to post the roulette thread.
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On May 05 2011 06:52 Empyrean wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 06:34 hifriend wrote:
Does anyone know what thread has produced the most bans to date? LR thread, US politics or religion debate? You may want to specify if you mean absolute number of bans or proportion of bans. You may also want to specify if you mean by number of unique poster, as having one shit poster that posts 20 terrible posts before being banned would affect that. You should also specify some weight for ban duration. As an aside, I'm curious in this as well.
Hm, I suppose what I'm requesting is what thread caused the largest quantity of unique bans. Not sure about durations. I've heard tales of massive ban sprees during rekrul's rule, but I haven't come across any of those threads. It'd probably be a post-sc2 thread though.
On May 05 2011 06:58 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 06:34 hifriend wrote:
Does anyone know what thread has produced the most bans to date? LR thread, US politics or religion debate? Just get Idra talking about religion in the next state of the game and you'll get your answer.
lmao. It could also be one of those threads concerning females in gaming communities.
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Rekrul hasn't banned a considerable amount of people in years. Like probably half a decade or so <_<
I think I'm most interested in the largest quantity of unique bans/quantity of unique posters. I feel like that'd be a more interesting metric.
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On May 05 2011 09:35 TL.net Bot wrote:
Antisocialmunky was just temp banned for 2 days by SonuvBob.
That account was created on 2010-03-09 22:42:44 and had 2663 posts.
Reason: You can thank 2Pacalypse- and Aeres for this.
LOL WOW.
You're so cute, SonuvBob.
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