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epikAnglory
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1120 Posts
May 05 2011 23:32 GMT
#6561
Quick question, but would it be better if some moderators did not ban for "I have my reasons." That seems a bit harsh and uninformative in many ways.
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MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-05 23:49:20
May 05 2011 23:37 GMT
#6562
knostradamus was just banned by Kennigit.

That account was created on 2010-12-07 10:25:38 and had 12 posts.

Reason: I slit your throat over the roaring volcano and dance around in my bamboo dress

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this will prove to be an entertaining night of watching the ABL I feel.

EDIT Noooo JWD stop banning people I want to see Kennigit's one liners D:
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H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
May 06 2011 00:05 GMT
#6563
On May 06 2011 08:32 iTzAnglory wrote:
Quick question, but would it be better if some moderators did not ban for "I have my reasons." That seems a bit harsh and uninformative in many ways.


We usually like to explain our actions but sometimes we can have up to 15-20 reports at once. It doesn't really lend itself to writing out long explanations - that said, I usually try to write one. "I have my reasons" is just the default pre-set ban message. You'll probably see it if some guy regs a new account and makes an abominable post because it was so terrible it didn't need explanation. Sometimes we remove their post too though, so yeah.
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TheButtonmen
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada1403 Posts
May 06 2011 00:06 GMT
#6564
tamoorazizgheba was just temp banned for 2 days by Chill.

That account was created on 2011-04-29 09:42:48 and had 5 posts.

Reason: Idra fans are fucking insane.


I get that Chill is probably is a fairly bad mood at the moment but seriously?

Thanks for helping defuse the situation and avoiding further splitting the community.
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
May 06 2011 00:09 GMT
#6565
On May 06 2011 08:06 ScarletKnight wrote:
Uh oh, Idra just got banned and posted on twitter:

Show nested quote +
idrajit Greg Fields
wont be streaming for 2 days as i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets you


Prepare of incoming shitstorm.

Chill, I feel bad for you sir. Good night, and good luck.


It has begun, and its not really gonna succeed.

ChillSucksDick was just banned by R1CH.

That account was created on 2011-05-06 08:55:49 and had 0 posts.

Reason: ಠ_ಠ
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
BloodNinja
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2791 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 00:09:58
May 06 2011 00:09 GMT
#6566
On May 06 2011 08:13 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 08:06 ScarletKnight wrote:
Uh oh, Idra just got banned and posted on twitter:

idrajit Greg Fields
wont be streaming for 2 days as i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets you


Prepare of incoming shitstorm.

Chill, I feel bad for you sir. Good night, and good luck.


Show nested quote +
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=694#13897


Oh idra, you silly goose.


I guess the SC2 Strategy section purge is going to expand into the fanclub and user stream sections for the moment as well.

OOOOOORRRRR

Is this the beginning of the final purge? The TL Bot post count is in single digits... the end is nigh. Repent posters! REPENT!!!!


It has begun, and its not really gonna succeed.

ChillSucksDick was just banned by R1CH.

That account was created on 2011-05-06 08:55:49 and had 0 posts.

Reason: ಠ_ಠ


The wizard is on his game.
JBrown08
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada306 Posts
May 06 2011 00:10 GMT
#6567
On May 06 2011 08:31 Telcontar wrote:
The kid's been hit with so many temp bans, he must be impervious to it by now. Sigh.... I wonder if he'll ever change or at least mature a little and learn to moderate what passes between his brain and his mouth. Here's to hoping I guess.


You know, I kinda find that a funny sentiment (although I agree with the societal implications of such an act).

Everyone when asked would probably agree that honesty is the best policy; but in reality we live in a society that punishes such actions. If I were to tell you something factual while leaving out my true meaning it would be called dishonest or "lying through omission". Yet here we are in a situation where most would agree that one should simply not be honest, and in fact "moderate" his true feelings.

The life of a forum moderator is simple in that he only has to adhere to his own moral judgement of what is acceptable, while in fact the policies set out on any such forum are hard to actually place. It is easy to say "common sense" must rule; but in practice it is hard to enforce. While I might find in my Canadian sensibilities something not offensive, another mod from another background may; and I am obliged to present a unified front and agree with his actions. (See the fact that some people might find Jinro swearing in public interviews offensive, while he admits that is just his swedish background and they don't fret such things).

So I can understand why Idra is banned so often here; there is a large variety of moderators from very different moral backgrounds that will in fact find pure honesty disrespectful or offensive. Funnily enough many societies find disrespect in and of itself offensive, so his forthright opinion of other players is actually gonna piss some mods off.

Now of course, there is always the other option; he is just and ass and no one likes an ass. But I find the honesty and moderation angle intriguing.
Ojahh
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Ireland728 Posts
May 06 2011 00:11 GMT
#6568
When shit like this or the StoG happens I always wonder if there is a Group text that is going out to all the mods phones saying "Alert Alert! We know you wanna ladder or what ever, but someone blew a casket we might need additional Mods tonight."

A had imagined the whole statement of "Day9 should stop discussing SC2 he doesn't know what he is talking about he doesn't play enough" would have caused even more fire.
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57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
May 06 2011 00:12 GMT
#6569
Honestly, If I was a mod I would have perm'd IdrA by now. He has gotten way too many second chances, and even though he has brought a lot to the community he needs to be taught he is not god.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
RoosterSamurai
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan2108 Posts
May 06 2011 00:16 GMT
#6570
On May 06 2011 09:12 57 Corvette wrote:
Honestly, If I was a mod I would have perm'd IdrA by now. He has gotten way too many second chances, and even though he has brought a lot to the community he needs to be taught he is not god.

I think they're most likely reluctant to be rid of him permanently because he contributes a lot more than random trolls martyring or posting memes, or flaming. Although IdrA can be rather BM at times, he is an important part of eSports, and TL.
Alou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States3748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 00:21:00
May 06 2011 00:18 GMT
#6571
On May 06 2011 09:10 JBrown08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 08:31 Telcontar wrote:
The kid's been hit with so many temp bans, he must be impervious to it by now. Sigh.... I wonder if he'll ever change or at least mature a little and learn to moderate what passes between his brain and his mouth. Here's to hoping I guess.


You know, I kinda find that a funny sentiment (although I agree with the societal implications of such an act).

Everyone when asked would probably agree that honesty is the best policy; but in reality we live in a society that punishes such actions. If I were to tell you something factual while leaving out my true meaning it would be called dishonest or "lying through omission". Yet here we are in a situation where most would agree that one should simply not be honest, and in fact "moderate" his true feelings.

The life of a forum moderator is simple in that he only has to adhere to his own moral judgement of what is acceptable, while in fact the policies set out on any such forum are hard to actually place. It is easy to say "common sense" must rule; but in practice it is hard to enforce. While I might find in my Canadian sensibilities something not offensive, another mod from another background may; and I am obliged to present a unified front and agree with his actions. (See the fact that some people might find Jinro swearing in public interviews offensive, while he admits that is just his swedish background and they don't fret such things).

So I can understand why Idra is banned so often here; there is a large variety of moderators from very different moral backgrounds that will in fact find pure honesty disrespectful or offensive. Funnily enough many societies find disrespect in and of itself offensive, so his forthright opinion of other players is actually gonna piss some mods off.

Now of course, there is always the other option; he is just and ass and no one likes an ass. But I find the honesty and moderation angle intriguing.


I think you're construing (edit - probably not the right word now that i reread this post, but it's final weeks and im going to turn that into my excuse for poor word choice) the concept of somewhat just saying whatever comes to mind (telecontar's post about IdrA) with being honest. There is a subtle difference between having this stream of conscious thought being spoken and being honest with what you say. But I agree that that angle of thought is intriguing though.

Was the comment by IdrA on stream or in a post? I've heard it was on a stream and I'm not entirely sure I like the idea of streams being moderated in that sense, but then again I'm also not a mod so who cares.
Life is Good.
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
May 06 2011 00:19 GMT
#6572
I know he is quite important in E-sports, an the mods will get a ton of flak for perming him, but he is not going to improve his attitude and he is going to keep getting temp banned for things like this.

Its an endless cycle that can only be stopped by a perm.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
RoosterSamurai
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan2108 Posts
May 06 2011 00:23 GMT
#6573
On May 06 2011 09:18 Alou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 09:10 JBrown08 wrote:
On May 06 2011 08:31 Telcontar wrote:
The kid's been hit with so many temp bans, he must be impervious to it by now. Sigh.... I wonder if he'll ever change or at least mature a little and learn to moderate what passes between his brain and his mouth. Here's to hoping I guess.


You know, I kinda find that a funny sentiment (although I agree with the societal implications of such an act).

Everyone when asked would probably agree that honesty is the best policy; but in reality we live in a society that punishes such actions. If I were to tell you something factual while leaving out my true meaning it would be called dishonest or "lying through omission". Yet here we are in a situation where most would agree that one should simply not be honest, and in fact "moderate" his true feelings.

The life of a forum moderator is simple in that he only has to adhere to his own moral judgement of what is acceptable, while in fact the policies set out on any such forum are hard to actually place. It is easy to say "common sense" must rule; but in practice it is hard to enforce. While I might find in my Canadian sensibilities something not offensive, another mod from another background may; and I am obliged to present a unified front and agree with his actions. (See the fact that some people might find Jinro swearing in public interviews offensive, while he admits that is just his swedish background and they don't fret such things).

So I can understand why Idra is banned so often here; there is a large variety of moderators from very different moral backgrounds that will in fact find pure honesty disrespectful or offensive. Funnily enough many societies find disrespect in and of itself offensive, so his forthright opinion of other players is actually gonna piss some mods off.

Now of course, there is always the other option; he is just and ass and no one likes an ass. But I find the honesty and moderation angle intriguing.


I think you're construing (edit - probably not the right word now that i reread this post, but it's final weeks and im going to turn that into my excuse for poor word choice) the concept of somewhat just saying whatever comes to mind (telecontar's post about IdrA) with being honest. There is a subtle difference between having this stream of conscious thought being spoken and being honest with what you say. But I agree that that angle of thought is intriguing though.

Was the comment by IdrA on stream or in a post? I've heard it was on a stream and I'm not entirely sure I like the idea of streams being moderated in that sense, but then again I'm also not a mod so who cares.

It was in a post in IdrA's fan club thread.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=173866&currentpage=83#1657
Alou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States3748 Posts
May 06 2011 00:24 GMT
#6574
On May 06 2011 09:23 RoosterSamurai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 09:18 Alou wrote:
On May 06 2011 09:10 JBrown08 wrote:
On May 06 2011 08:31 Telcontar wrote:
The kid's been hit with so many temp bans, he must be impervious to it by now. Sigh.... I wonder if he'll ever change or at least mature a little and learn to moderate what passes between his brain and his mouth. Here's to hoping I guess.


You know, I kinda find that a funny sentiment (although I agree with the societal implications of such an act).

Everyone when asked would probably agree that honesty is the best policy; but in reality we live in a society that punishes such actions. If I were to tell you something factual while leaving out my true meaning it would be called dishonest or "lying through omission". Yet here we are in a situation where most would agree that one should simply not be honest, and in fact "moderate" his true feelings.

The life of a forum moderator is simple in that he only has to adhere to his own moral judgement of what is acceptable, while in fact the policies set out on any such forum are hard to actually place. It is easy to say "common sense" must rule; but in practice it is hard to enforce. While I might find in my Canadian sensibilities something not offensive, another mod from another background may; and I am obliged to present a unified front and agree with his actions. (See the fact that some people might find Jinro swearing in public interviews offensive, while he admits that is just his swedish background and they don't fret such things).

So I can understand why Idra is banned so often here; there is a large variety of moderators from very different moral backgrounds that will in fact find pure honesty disrespectful or offensive. Funnily enough many societies find disrespect in and of itself offensive, so his forthright opinion of other players is actually gonna piss some mods off.

Now of course, there is always the other option; he is just and ass and no one likes an ass. But I find the honesty and moderation angle intriguing.


I think you're construing (edit - probably not the right word now that i reread this post, but it's final weeks and im going to turn that into my excuse for poor word choice) the concept of somewhat just saying whatever comes to mind (telecontar's post about IdrA) with being honest. There is a subtle difference between having this stream of conscious thought being spoken and being honest with what you say. But I agree that that angle of thought is intriguing though.

Was the comment by IdrA on stream or in a post? I've heard it was on a stream and I'm not entirely sure I like the idea of streams being moderated in that sense, but then again I'm also not a mod so who cares.

It was in a post in IdrA's fan club thread.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=173866&currentpage=83#1657


Well then nevermind. I fail. Wouldn't be the first time,
Life is Good.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
May 06 2011 00:27 GMT
#6575
On May 06 2011 09:18 Alou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 09:10 JBrown08 wrote:
On May 06 2011 08:31 Telcontar wrote:
The kid's been hit with so many temp bans, he must be impervious to it by now. Sigh.... I wonder if he'll ever change or at least mature a little and learn to moderate what passes between his brain and his mouth. Here's to hoping I guess.


You know, I kinda find that a funny sentiment (although I agree with the societal implications of such an act).

Everyone when asked would probably agree that honesty is the best policy; but in reality we live in a society that punishes such actions. If I were to tell you something factual while leaving out my true meaning it would be called dishonest or "lying through omission". Yet here we are in a situation where most would agree that one should simply not be honest, and in fact "moderate" his true feelings.

The life of a forum moderator is simple in that he only has to adhere to his own moral judgement of what is acceptable, while in fact the policies set out on any such forum are hard to actually place. It is easy to say "common sense" must rule; but in practice it is hard to enforce. While I might find in my Canadian sensibilities something not offensive, another mod from another background may; and I am obliged to present a unified front and agree with his actions. (See the fact that some people might find Jinro swearing in public interviews offensive, while he admits that is just his swedish background and they don't fret such things).

So I can understand why Idra is banned so often here; there is a large variety of moderators from very different moral backgrounds that will in fact find pure honesty disrespectful or offensive. Funnily enough many societies find disrespect in and of itself offensive, so his forthright opinion of other players is actually gonna piss some mods off.

Now of course, there is always the other option; he is just and ass and no one likes an ass. But I find the honesty and moderation angle intriguing.


I think you're construing (edit - probably not the right word now that i reread this post, but it's final weeks and im going to turn that into my excuse for poor word choice) the concept of somewhat just saying whatever comes to mind (telecontar's post about IdrA) with being honest. There is a subtle difference between having this stream of conscious thought being spoken and being honest with what you say. But I agree that that angle of thought is intriguing though.

Was the comment by IdrA on stream or in a post? I've heard it was on a stream and I'm not entirely sure I like the idea of streams being moderated in that sense, but then again I'm also not a mod so who cares.

On May 06 2011 07:48 IdrA wrote:
of course he cheated, its a ladder game who cares.
stop giving him attention. hes a waste of life the more you talk about him the longer it takes for him to go away.

User was temp banned for this post.


It's just the "waste of life" aspect. We wouldn't tolerate that from anyone.

As for Cruncher, there's no way to actually prove he's cheating. If we could actually catch someone stream cheating, there would be some repercussions.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
May 06 2011 00:27 GMT
#6576
I don't think Idra thinks he's a God (right?) I think he just doesn't blatantly care about the rules or it doesn't really dawn on him the rules before he steps in with his often blunt view of a person.
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GriNn
Profile Joined September 2010
United States243 Posts
May 06 2011 00:29 GMT
#6577
On May 06 2011 09:18 Alou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 09:10 JBrown08 wrote:
On May 06 2011 08:31 Telcontar wrote:
The kid's been hit with so many temp bans, he must be impervious to it by now. Sigh.... I wonder if he'll ever change or at least mature a little and learn to moderate what passes between his brain and his mouth. Here's to hoping I guess.


You know, I kinda find that a funny sentiment (although I agree with the societal implications of such an act).

Everyone when asked would probably agree that honesty is the best policy; but in reality we live in a society that punishes such actions. If I were to tell you something factual while leaving out my true meaning it would be called dishonest or "lying through omission". Yet here we are in a situation where most would agree that one should simply not be honest, and in fact "moderate" his true feelings.

The life of a forum moderator is simple in that he only has to adhere to his own moral judgement of what is acceptable, while in fact the policies set out on any such forum are hard to actually place. It is easy to say "common sense" must rule; but in practice it is hard to enforce. While I might find in my Canadian sensibilities something not offensive, another mod from another background may; and I am obliged to present a unified front and agree with his actions. (See the fact that some people might find Jinro swearing in public interviews offensive, while he admits that is just his swedish background and they don't fret such things).

So I can understand why Idra is banned so often here; there is a large variety of moderators from very different moral backgrounds that will in fact find pure honesty disrespectful or offensive. Funnily enough many societies find disrespect in and of itself offensive, so his forthright opinion of other players is actually gonna piss some mods off.

Now of course, there is always the other option; he is just and ass and no one likes an ass. But I find the honesty and moderation angle intriguing.


I think you're construing (edit - probably not the right word now that i reread this post, but it's final weeks and im going to turn that into my excuse for poor word choice) the concept of somewhat just saying whatever comes to mind (telecontar's post about IdrA) with being honest. There is a subtle difference between having this stream of conscious thought being spoken and being honest with what you say. But I agree that that angle of thought is intriguing though.

Was the comment by IdrA on stream or in a post? I've heard it was on a stream and I'm not entirely sure I like the idea of streams being moderated in that sense, but then again I'm also not a mod so who cares.


It was a post, nothing to do with what he says/said on stream
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=173866&currentpage=83#1657
Liquid`Tyler: I only needed one probe to take down idra. I had to upgrade to a zealot for strelok.
Lanfire
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands151 Posts
May 06 2011 00:29 GMT
#6578
It doesnt matter if you feel you are right or wrong on a subject. When a ban is given it should be substained or it will undermine the authority of an admin. basic hierarchy principles i quess.
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Pablols
Profile Joined August 2009
Chile519 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 00:54:36
May 06 2011 00:47 GMT
#6579
sigh, why isn't idra perma banned .... Someone should change his icon to an angry face
rdj107
Profile Joined December 2010
United States336 Posts
May 06 2011 01:09 GMT
#6580
On May 06 2011 09:27 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 09:18 Alou wrote:
On May 06 2011 09:10 JBrown08 wrote:
On May 06 2011 08:31 Telcontar wrote:
The kid's been hit with so many temp bans, he must be impervious to it by now. Sigh.... I wonder if he'll ever change or at least mature a little and learn to moderate what passes between his brain and his mouth. Here's to hoping I guess.


You know, I kinda find that a funny sentiment (although I agree with the societal implications of such an act).

Everyone when asked would probably agree that honesty is the best policy; but in reality we live in a society that punishes such actions. If I were to tell you something factual while leaving out my true meaning it would be called dishonest or "lying through omission". Yet here we are in a situation where most would agree that one should simply not be honest, and in fact "moderate" his true feelings.

The life of a forum moderator is simple in that he only has to adhere to his own moral judgement of what is acceptable, while in fact the policies set out on any such forum are hard to actually place. It is easy to say "common sense" must rule; but in practice it is hard to enforce. While I might find in my Canadian sensibilities something not offensive, another mod from another background may; and I am obliged to present a unified front and agree with his actions. (See the fact that some people might find Jinro swearing in public interviews offensive, while he admits that is just his swedish background and they don't fret such things).

So I can understand why Idra is banned so often here; there is a large variety of moderators from very different moral backgrounds that will in fact find pure honesty disrespectful or offensive. Funnily enough many societies find disrespect in and of itself offensive, so his forthright opinion of other players is actually gonna piss some mods off.

Now of course, there is always the other option; he is just and ass and no one likes an ass. But I find the honesty and moderation angle intriguing.


I think you're construing (edit - probably not the right word now that i reread this post, but it's final weeks and im going to turn that into my excuse for poor word choice) the concept of somewhat just saying whatever comes to mind (telecontar's post about IdrA) with being honest. There is a subtle difference between having this stream of conscious thought being spoken and being honest with what you say. But I agree that that angle of thought is intriguing though.

Was the comment by IdrA on stream or in a post? I've heard it was on a stream and I'm not entirely sure I like the idea of streams being moderated in that sense, but then again I'm also not a mod so who cares.

Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 07:48 IdrA wrote:
of course he cheated, its a ladder game who cares.
stop giving him attention. hes a waste of life the more you talk about him the longer it takes for him to go away.

User was temp banned for this post.


It's just the "waste of life" aspect. We wouldn't tolerate that from anyone.

As for Cruncher, there's no way to actually prove he's cheating. If we could actually catch someone stream cheating, there would be some repercussions.

Except your tl commandment page specifically mentions getting "verbally medieval" on someone as allowed when the situation warrants it. I would think the heavy implication of stream cheating/sniping to be exactly that kind of situation, especially given how enthused cruncher seems to be about bm'ing idra. Is there any particular reason why flaming someone for stream cheating him isn't justified in this instance?
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