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Gorsameth
Netherlands22670 Posts
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Jealous
10405 Posts
On June 29 2021 06:11 Gorsameth wrote: When someone is that hungry for a ban, the greatest punishment is not banning them. Maybe they are debating 90 day vs. perm :D Otherwise, it just proves that I am too big to fail. | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria900 Posts
On June 29 2021 06:56 Jealous wrote: Maybe they are debating 90 day vs. perm :D Otherwise, it just proves that I am too big to fail. Your punishment must be more severe.. They're debating to make you a moderator. Then, you have a permission to leave. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On June 29 2021 06:56 Jealous wrote: Maybe they are debating 90 day vs. perm :D Otherwise, it just proves that I am too big to fail. You already served like, five perm sentences already. What's another one really? | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria900 Posts
On June 29 2021 07:10 LegalLord wrote: You already served like, five perm sentences already. What's another one really? Really? And tofucake doesn't want to unban my Shield account, acting "upset" when I try to talk to him despite apology before. Even though my account is as old as some current moderators/admins accounts  | ||
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Jealous
10405 Posts
On June 29 2021 07:12 SC-Shield wrote: Really? And tofucake doesn't want to unban my Shield account, acting "upset" when I try to talk to him despite apology before. Even though my account is as old as some current moderators/admins accounts Yea but I'm clearly a big deal and you're not, so... User was temp banned for this post. | ||
tofucake
Hyrule19264 Posts
On June 29 2021 07:12 SC-Shield wrote: Really? And tofucake doesn't want to unban my Shield account, acting "upset" when I try to talk to him despite apology before. Even though my account is as old as some current moderators/admins accounts Whine about it all you want, but your actions alone are the reason you don't deserve your account back. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria900 Posts
On June 29 2021 08:35 tofucake wrote: Whine about it all you want, but your actions alone are the reason you don't deserve your account back. Where is whine and what actions do you refer to? I've tried to be as polite as possible to you but I guess it's easier to blame someone else, by the way, you've not made any effort to help remedy this. Also, sc2 isn't what it used to be in 2010 and the few years after that so I'm not really that bothered as you think. I also told you as part of my last PM to you that you can keep that account banned if it makes you happy.Edit: Also, I remember being banned from some politics thread years ago by Seeker or someone. I think it was a permanent ban, I probably insulted that moderator for censorship (freedom of speech as someone wrote here a page or two before), but I eventually made a deal not to post there and got unbanned. That deal has been on for at least 2-3 years and I still follow it. Nowadays when I PM mods/admins who banned me before I can at least exchange messages normally, I don't need them to be my best friends but we can talk at least. So I'm 100% confident issue with you isn't entirely my fault. More to the point, sc2 IS losing viewership more and more, when you kick fans out who have been here for a long time, you kind of disincentivise not to contribute in any meaningful way from that point, be it Liquipedia, buying Liquid+, writing threads about a pro match, buying from TL's shop, etc. So what I'm trying to say is TL's approach might have been more effective if you were empowering someone to HELP not to fight back, but I guess not many will understand that, yet you still have Jealous as the more recent example of that and many more. You don't need to "fight" aggression with even more aggression. However, I speak that from experience just by having an account here since 2009 even if banned. Of course, one of TL's 10 commandments is "it's our house" so effective or not, I'm not here to change TL. Just my 2 cents. | ||
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tofucake
Hyrule19264 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria900 Posts
On June 29 2021 22:40 tofucake wrote: Freedom of Speech is an American law which limits what the American government can do to people and has no bearing on what a Dutch website can do. Also, we do not control who does and does not watch SC2. We can't just kick people out of liking the game. If you weren't bothered you wouldn't be trying to get your account back. And the issue is 100% you. The fact you can't explain what actions on my part are preventing you and blaming me "100%" is enough for me to make a conclusion. And really, I'm not bothered, I was just asking. Take care. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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tofucake
Hyrule19264 Posts
On June 29 2021 23:31 SC-Shield wrote: The fact you can't explain what actions on my part are preventing you and blaming me "100%" is enough for me to make a conclusion. And really, I'm not bothered, I was just asking. Take care. ![[image loading]](https://tl.net/staff/tofucake/img/Shield.png) | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On June 29 2021 22:40 tofucake wrote: Freedom of Speech is an American law which limits what the American government can do to people and has no bearing on what a Dutch website can do. Also, we do not control who does and does not watch SC2. We can't just kick people out of liking the game. If you weren't bothered you wouldn't be trying to get your account back. And the issue is 100% you. Nope. Freedom of speech is a part of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights ( https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights ) which was in many different forms adopted into the basis of many law systems across the world. For example the Czech Republic has this as a part of our Constitution named as Charter of Fundamental Rights and Freedoms (Listina základních práv a svobod) and similarily this was adopted by the EU so I dare to say that the Dutch law has this as well and pretty damn high on the levels of the law. Now to the freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is a relation between the citizens of the selected country and their government. It has nothing to do with any private company. So while most of the users here(if not all) have the freedom of speech, it has absolutely no impact on the TL forum and can be banned for saying anything TL staff dislikes. Edit> some forms of the freedoms cited in the linked document were adopted into other forms of protection - e.g. you cannot get fired because of your gender. Though I doubt there's any protection guaranteeing blabbering on private owned websites  | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3173 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
On June 29 2021 23:25 JimmiC wrote: It cracks me up that jealous's big post where he tried to get banned was not actioned, but that he got 90 days for calling himself a big deal. Well played.  Out here playing BW while the rest of us playing Halo Wars... | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria900 Posts
Original Message From tofucake: I'm staying out of the decision and will not mod you in general because of our previous interactions. I voiced my opinion but it's up to the other mods to act or not. Original Message From SC-Shield: It's possible, I remember posting a meme and a youtube video which I got banned for in the past. I've never done it since then though. Either way, I apologise for toxic behaviour in the past. As you see, I post less often than before and I don't get into silly arguments these days. Could I please ask for forgiveness and to get my old account back as a last chance? I know you said earlier that I should have remained banned, but I've been using this account since 2018 and so far there are no major mistakes. I think I've only got a 2-day ban so far and that was for something minor. Here I apologised to you. You said no. I accepted and didn't ask more. 7 months later I ask again, you say no and that based on my previous actions (what actions since using this new account?) I don't deserve to be unbanned. All I did was apologise to you late last year and also asked you politely a few days ago. You only replied with that screenshot and "no". Then you stopped replying to PM, so yes, it's absolutely clear you have no interest to remedy this situation. I did all I could, and begging isn't really my thing so we'll leave it at that then. As I said, and I repeat it for the last time, I'm not willing to go any further, if in any case you prefer to humiliate or whatever your reasoning is, that's why I say I'm not bothered. Leave it at that then, I'm really not interested in discussing this topic with you if there is no understanding from your side. For the record to guys here, this whole childish thing happened like 3 or more years ago. tofucake still refuses to accept an apology. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
I mean I’m not privy to this history and fair play to you for apologising, but that’s not how apologies work. | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria900 Posts
On June 30 2021 02:02 WombaT wrote: Nobody is obligated to accept an apology, it’s offered and it’s up to the recipient to decide what to do with that. I mean I’m not privy to this history and fair play to you for apologising, but that’s not how apologies work. Sure thing, but the way it was worded is he says my actions are such that I don't deserve to be unbanned. So I mention facts like apologising and he posts an old screenshot from 3+ years ago, which screenshot isn't great but post kind of implied I did something new which was also wrong so I asked what that is. Behaviour in the past wasn't excellent but if you can't move on after 3 years, then what can I say? Internet is a cruel place in general, this is hardly the worst behaviour... which I apologised for at least. The idea was we all grow up and learn, so giving a chance shouldn't be hard. After all, there is always this perm ban option but whatever. My intention was to discuss this via PM only but he refused to reply anymore after posting that screenshot. Even though last year he was replying to my questions at least. | ||
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