EPTThe Tale of irninja aka Freelancer - Page 7
| Forum Index > TL Community |
|
harodihg
Japan1344 Posts
| ||
|
Disciple7
United States198 Posts
I joined at the very beginning, coming from playing competitive-level GW1 (If you check back on my posts, I say I was top 50. I was not, I don't know why I said that, I was much younger and immature) when I was much younger. I was excited by their idea to be the the best in the game and be competitive. LOL. I was wrong to be. They actually tried convincing me WvWvW was just as legitimately competitive as organized 5v5. They got angry when I said that was ridiculous and attributed it to me "being young and naive." Which was funny, because they literally had no real gaming background at all. They both (freelancer and lonniehaskel, the founders) claimed to be atleast semi-pro in multiple games, such as WoW, sc:bw, and CS. Lonnie told me he used to smash idra (he could beat him one handed, he touted) and was on some prominent team that I BELIEVE maynard started, but I know for sure it was a European only team. Also, I went at that time and looked at the team roster and history and he was never on it. Whenever you attempted to have a conversation with them about the competitive scene, they were obviously lacking in knowledge (such as the type of leagues in competitive CS) and were never able to produce things such as WoW Armories or tell your the monikers they used in sc:bw. I went on to have a strong voice in the guild (I was "High Council") along with some others, only a couple of which I respected, but pretty much was told I was wrong in every circumstance. I was given the ability (along with some others) to do interviews and choose which recruits entered, but was over-ruled any time someone had "potential." Basically it turned from a competitive guild into a casual one (Think LaZy if you played GW1, although I have much more respect for LaZy) where there was literally a ~12 year old who lived in Brazil and pretty much never even played a real game (i.e. not runescape) on the computer before. You can go look, his name was Bialba. It's hilarious. I'm not trying to be a dick to him, it was just hilarious that someone like that was considered a valued member of our "community." That's the most ridiculous example I can give, but there were plenty of situations similar (console FPS gamers that were touted as theory-crafting masters etc.) They made fools out of themselves when TeamQuitter (premier competitive GW1 site) basically called them scrubs and started laughing at them. Of course, legacy took offense to this, made a private thread and called them all trolls in it. That pissed me off, as I had frequented QQ, and I actually went on QQ forums and said I am in no way in support of what legacy said. I got in trouble for that one. =) I also remember them having grandiose plans to become huge streamers because "that's where the money is." As well as freelancer telling me he got a menagerie of razer items from their "sponsorship with razer." So that addresses their profits part, but I don't really know much more about that. And as to the association to Team Liquid, I was told by freelancer (or free, as we so affectionately called him) that he was constantly in contact with high-ranking liquid mods. I don't remember much more than that. I have been inactive on TL (the real one) but I saw the title of this thread, had a good laugh as freelancer has been ousted (although I never really looked at it as him taking advantage of team liquid, otherwise I would have taken action, I assumed it started with good intentions). Freelancer is the type of person that you're never sure whether or not he is lying, even when talking about meaningless things, because he lies THAT much. Lonniehaskel was very similar. I decided to leave the guild or community or whatever it was at that point because I couldn't deal with it anymore. Plus most people in it sucked. I left on good terms just in case, on an off chance, they ended up being influential competitively. Nope, just a zerg recruited guild. Or community. Family. Whatever. If you guys have any questions (including personal ones about my relationship to the guild, or anything else) I'll be happy to answer them. I won't be punctual however, I don't frequent these forums anymore. I'm only on periodically. P.S. Hi freelancer/lonnie/whoever they're sending to check up on the thread! Have fun telling everyone I'm just another troll! At some point, you have to realize, if there's so many 'trolls' then maybe you're the ones who are trolling. Lmao. P.P.S Everything Frozire wrote is true. And also, to Thrill's points: Tales of Tyria was created by freelancer. And no, team legacy was never going to be the #1 guild in any facet other than size. And though I never ended up playing much GW2 (didn't like the game), I have reliable sources that told me team legacy never amounted to anything in competitive play. P.P.P.S. If I haven't gone about the right way in posting this, please let me know. I'm not really aware of the social norms on this forum anymore, as I rarely visit. | ||
|
NoobieOne
United States1183 Posts
| ||
|
SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
On November 29 2013 15:21 NoobieOne wrote: Hey Disciple long time! I'm sure you wouldn't be surprised to know the worst happened well after you left. Trust me a top 50 claim isn't as bad a lie as those that Free told everyone else later on. What exactly is "the worst"? | ||
|
1234fiff
United States1 Post
I came close to joining this guild today, have not really been active in the true TL community. It has been a long time since I followed the scene/community, however it has always been one of my favorite forums to come to and read up on various things while perusing the internets or sitting at work desks  Thank the high heavens I was denied by the great one himself, Freelancer, and his all powerful staff of high council, near immediately. The very quick turnaround, and weird feel I was left with made me seek out a little more research, inevitably returning to these great lands, and low and behold come to find out what I now have, all I can do is feel somewhat grateful. I didn't need experience the sh**show that would have been being apart team legacy for wildstar's release. It was strange recruitment to say the least, and even a mention of the words "teamliquid" in my app set off flags, for which I received numerous PM's from freelancer and other HC's followed by my app simply deleted within 24 hours, no explanation. I thought at first, "Maybe they REALLY REALLY do not like when you break the format rules in place, do I need to remake it and not mess with un-bolding their questions in the form?" So I did, and re-answered their questions, only to immediately have my second app taken down, followed by some interaction with free, followed by some research, followed by some "wow...this happens online?!?" all in all, it was a happy thanksgiving and a big thank you for taking the time to expose this and bring about (albeit lesser then Michael deserves) justice. -buda | ||
|
Arctix
United States4 Posts
I was just as deceived at first, and I did my part to protect myself, and every possible quality member that I met while I was there. Being that I’ve been around in the gaming world, have gained some credible fame, and know what the inner workings of Team Legacy were like, I’m just going to put this here: I played Guild Wars 2 with Team Legacy, not initially, but ultimately. I ran the WvW for them shortly after they transferred to Isle of Janthir. During that time I was running the WvW for the Eternal Battlegrounds for the server, and coordinating with multiple guilds to really push the server (We climbed up to the top ranking servers fast!). I had left Jade Quarry (who was battling for first during launch) where I was doing the same thing. Let me give a little background first. I started playing MMO’s back in 1998 with EQ and UO. My real claim to fame was playing the hell out of DAoC and PvPing on Mordred, its FFAPvP rule set server. The groups and players from the first generation MMO gamers are the guys that went on and created a lot of these WoW arena first and second season winners. After that was WoW where I was part of a funeral bombing and participated in some of the US’s leading PvE. I’ve either ran, managed, or affiliated myself with guilds like Malice, Jaded, FreeRPS, Team Ice, Blood Legion, Serenity Now, Bedlam, Insurrection, Dragon Family, BANDA, Dizzy, Torcan, Wrath, Condemned, Pro, Akademia, Nerf Dialogue, Blood Pact and Team Legacy. For me, it’s important to note and I don’t think anyone here thinks this, but the members for the most part, aren’t responsible for Team Legacy being such a fraudulent piece of crap—that’s all Freelancer’s blame. I didn’t play much SC2, and certainly didn’t follow the community, so I wasn’t informed to the big names like Team Liquid (I had just heard the name) etc. The allure of Team Legacy for me didn’t have anything to do with Freelancer or Team Liquid’s false affiliation; instead it came from a member of my group named Blackie who at the time, had nothing but amazing, positive things to say about Team Legacy. You see, Blackie had joined my group of pvpers (which was incredibly small but made a huge impact huehuehue). Being active in the GW2 community I had heard mentions of Team Legacy, but never really followed them and almost all the information I had on them came from Blackie. I don’t want to say Blackie looked up to the guild, but he was not only a fan, but learned a bunch of tactics from the initial strand of PvP that came from Team Legacy which was actually pretty good. When Team Legacy finally joined Isle of Janthir, Blackie had an opportunity to play with them, and I fully supported his decision as his previous guild lead. Eventually Team Legacy had come to Isle of Janthir in GW2 and after Blackie joined them, and I would coordinate with them, Freelancer started to ask me to join. At this point, I had developed some pretty solid contacts from guilds all over the world, and the best piece of advice was the only one I ignored. It came from a guy named Aneu who runs the European guild VoTF. He told me how much of a snake Freelancer was, and what a waste it would be if I helped build this thing, because Freelancer would never let go. I knew nothing about this guy, only that he ran this massive guild that put out a damn quality product (at that time and ONLY because of its members, primarily their Science Team). I accepted only on the terms that I’m not treated like some stooge, but that I would be brash and offer my opinion up front. When you play MMOs for a long time, and also I think most would agree at this stage, but nobody wants to backtrack and have to climb the “guild ladder” again. It was almost instantaneously after joining that I was made an officer and ran the WvW (Commanded) for most of the raids as Freelancer and my raid leading is drastically different. The structure within Team Legacy was pretty complex at first, with teams going to incredible detail coming up with strategies, creating google docs, writing almost everything down. Strange statistics like how much time would it take to get from point A to point B etc. For me, having those tools helped coordinate a good majority of large scale pvp success. It was at this point, where enough attention was on me within the structure that was Team Legacy, that naturally Freelancer began is insipid issues with me. The dude is nuts and likes the spot light, but I learned so much about him and what was really happening that it was scary for members that were involved. I’d like to share with you, now that his arrogance and malice is in the spotlight. One of the claims that Freelancer has is that he literally swears that everything in Team Legacy is ran based off ideals and concepts he’s interpreted (horribly) by the writings of Sun Tzu. No I’m not making this shit up, this guy is a lunatic about this crap and swears that his entire guild organizational strategy is based off Sun Tzu and his (horrible) understanding of Sun Tzu’s writings. This includes the guild’s leadership structure which he claims is based off the US Military (which he never served) and the filtering of information (which he claims is the right way to do things because our Military and Government does these things). I’m going this in-depth because I want you all to understand the lunacy behind this guy. A fake is a fake, and this guy is as fake and malicious as they come. Being that I was in a leadership position (officer) and handled my share of pvp, I was part of a lot of “management” conversations about direction and member management. Team Legacy runs Skype channels for public chat and “High Council” chat to discuss all matters about the guild. Almost immediately, I had distaste for Freelancer as more people wanted me to lead raids and move things about. He constantly would attempt to strong-arm me and my position within the organization. The biggest issue I saw was that the players that would create strategies and ideas for PvP would beg and plead with him about making changes and areas to focus on, and since he had garnered enough attention and e-fame to stroke his ego, he would take strategizing into his own hands where he lacked the actual experience and ability to do things correctly and competitive and completely neglect the very people that made Team Legacy a competitive group. Things started to slump, and naturally, fell back on me to maintain from a WvW / PvP perspective. Eventually I was tired, annoyed, and felt like it was time to move on, even though there were a vast majority of people that would anticipate my leadership and direction for raid leads. It was during this time, which Freelancer decided he wasn’t going to allow another me to get even remotely close to controlling his Team Legacy. He decided to recreate his “High Council” and surrounded it by people that would do anything he said no matter how stupid and naïve (yes men). He would feed them countless lies such as the Team Liquid affiliation and the countless sponsorships that he doesn’t actually have. He did this to protect his seat in power, and constantly referenced Sun Tzu and the US Government / Military for his reasoning. He then took to the forums and blast recruited for the group and pushed all of the legitimate members away, and essentially flooded the roster with new comers left and right, most of whom he immediately promoted to “High Council” or “Council” so long as they would do whatever he said and believe anything he said. The good, quality players of Team Legacy faded away, and he rode the horse earned by the positive reputation of skill and tactics of its original members to an extreme I didn’t think was possible. With this HUGE influx of new players, he would constantly babble about promoting Team Legacy and donating to Amazon / Team Legacy’s PayPal account. He claimed that Team Legacy was a legitimate LLC corporation that he filed with another member (Orz) in Chattanooga, TN (where he’s from). He claimed that all of these supposed donations would go to the Team Legacy, LLC. To help promote the site, pay for bills for the site, various servers, etc. The only problem is, Team Legacy, LLC. did not exist. Ever. The only Team Legacy that was a legitimate Team Legacy is an IT and Real Estate consulting firm founded by Lovise and Cheryl Jiles (http://www.tsdesignstudio.net/blog_inner.php?id=28). Freelancer was profiting from countless member’s donations and from revenue created from the Amazon link posted in the Team Legacy website. I couldn’t associate myself with someone like that, and it drove me to start doing some homework behind the scenes. I even pulled up the Chattanooga court fillings for corporation foundations and there was no Team Legacy, LLC in TN. The closest legitimate corporation matching anything close to Team Legacy was out of Indiana on a farm road and an abandoned building. Even that corporation was expired. What Michael Foster is doing is absolutely criminal and wrong. He’s privateering off a reputation gained and earned from quality people (Team Liquid and its reputation, along with the good players that bought into the lies and actually committed to solid skill and gaming during Team Legacy’s inception) that no longer affiliate themselves with Team Legacy because ALL of them started to see the big pictures and moved on. Not just from a monetary perspective, but additionally for forum mod privileges, and access to Beta games. Freelancer was SO paranoid after I had begun to call him out that he would stoop to snooping in on Forum messages and private information. He commandeered multiple twitch.tv streams and channels that players would associate with Team Legacy’s “group” on twitch, and forwarded them to his personal stream. It’s also important to note, that Freelancer also did something similar to another individual named Bridger. Let me clarify first, Bridger is a nice guy, but he is also one of the most uninformed naïve people I’ve ever met playing games. He hosted a show for the GW2 community called Tales of Tyria that broadcasted on Twitch. He created a cult following and tied everything he did into the Team Legacy group. The problem with his “knowledge and understanding” is that he never even geared out a single, solitary toon for GW2. He wasn’t even level cap until everyone started leaving. Bridger also happens to be part of Team Legacy’s High Council, again, someone that will acknowledge the false affiliation with Team Liquid, for the sole purpose of protecting Freelancer’s reputation. The reason I bring this up, is because Freelancer utilized Bridger’s popular show to publicize and generate more attention to his fraudulent claims. He’d appear on the show and try to get more people to buy into his lies. You talk about a real piece of shit, this guy goes to no end, using and twisting everyone and everything in his way. During this time, Freelancer was having a kid, and worked as a cable tech. The dude is a scumbag and he focused all of his attention on stealing everything he possibly could using the Team Legacy brand that was built on lies and the sweat of quality members that sacrificed time and effort to build what they at the time believed to be a legitimate brand. When I ultimately left Team Legacy, I took with me a good majority of its core members, which were responsible for putting it on the map. Unfortunately with work (I’m Director of IT for a large Engineering firm) and health issues in my family, I didn’t have the time to lead them, and they ultimately moved on to a group named Bloodwinter Clan (also from DAoC). I’ve known its leader Twyst for 14 years and they’re making some pretty decent waves in Final Fantasy XIV. These particular players have been under scrutiny, and have dealt with the negative effects of Freelancer’s exposure because at the time, they bought in (as did I) to a brand that we thought was a legitimate collection of solid players. Additionally it’s important to point out, aside from being a stewing piece of shit for what he’s done, he’s also a sexist pig that tells female members that they need to respect his authority and power placement within the guild. There have been several times where he’s yelled and screamed at women in the guild and blamed them for his own shortcomings (huehuehue). Especially when it came to guild money management, something he feels he should always profit from. After I left, the group of players that left with me, were part of Team Legacy’s “Council” and had been within its structure since its inception. Because Freelancer constantly would twist and change everything that was sent out by members on their forums, a guy named Edwin, who was a longtime friend of Freelancer and an Officer collected all of our resignation letters and blasted them in a forum wide email, so that Freelancer couldn’t change the contents of the letters. Freelancer is such a nut, that he decided to bring down the website, and their own TS3 to make more fraudulent claims that we were attacking and maliciously hurting their website. This guy took down his own guilds website and cried wolf to gain the trust of his members. How sick and twisted do you get? At what point do you say to yourself, this is a little far for an online community? As everyone who’s read this can see: In the recent letter that Freelancer sent out to the current members of Team Legacy, he spoon feeds and manipulates any information or news that he feels is threatening to his cult following. Serejai took the time to write this post and expose him, and he completely ignores the post and responds to the rest of his members like they’re all sheep. The point of all this is to watch out for this spineless piece of shit. I’m not Jaded about the result of Team Legacy, I’m happy that at the very least, via connection with me, the people I cared about are doing well with people that I know are well, and no longer are effected by Freelancer. He is a thoughtless, deceitful, sexist, criminal, scumfuck that steals from all of his members, and leeches reputations and experience from quality players. Wherever he is recruiting, wherever he is attempting another scheme to try and profit from gamers that are looking for a home, if you see it, remind them what a piece of shit he is, before he earns more money off the hard work of legitimate players. Here are some legitimate examples so you can see what the piece of shit is like to his own guild and members. This is a conversation between Edwin and Freelancer; Edwin was an officer since it was at it's earliest stages, and was also considered a friend. Edwin met his long time girlfriend in Team Legacy (you'd think being so loyal would get you some type of respect), and this is how he was treated: + Show Spoiler + Here's an example of a conversation between Freelancer and myself after I explained non stop that I won't just agree with everything he said. Not important at all, and completely worthless, but worth reading if you're bored to get an idea of the type of leader he is: + Show Spoiler + [1:09:55 AM] Freelancer: Here is what is going on. [1:10:13 AM] Arctix: I don't really care, it's entirely irrelivant if the decision has been made. Right now you're listed as a Chapter member. I made it a point both in council and HC that I feel once you calm down, and get back on the right mindset, that you could be among the most valuable we have in TL. [1:11:03 AM] Arctix: I don't need your assertation of when I'm calmed down. I'm not your kid. [1:11:24 AM] Arctix: I have no interest in being apart of council under Freelancer's dictatorship. A member with no opinion will suffice. [1:11:48 AM] Freelancer: Until you understand that the verbage you use against me and other HC, and the general "i need to go against the grain" mentality relaxes, we cannot count on you to represent TL in matters that affect the entire community. [1:12:07 AM] Freelancer: Arctix, call it as you normally do, but this was a decision among all HC, unanimously. [1:12:10 AM] Freelancer: We are finished. [1:12:10 AM] Arctix: That's just the image you put up there Free, that isn't what actually is happening, it's only how you take it [1:12:22 AM] Arctix: We're just getting started. [1:12:42 AM] Freelancer: And what is that supposed to mean exactly? Your continual remarks towards me and that of the integrity of HC, which even now you continue with, is exactly what brought you here in the first place. [1:16:02 AM] Arctix: No what brought me in here, is your inability to understand that I am not a yes-man. Once we move past that, will you be able to understand anything I say. You're speaking down to me, and it's having zero effect. You then changed it form conversing to dictating, and that's where I lost interest in council. But make sure that when you say something, you say it correctly. It isn't because I'm "going against the grain" it's because I will not be apart of a council that's lead by someone who wants to dictate things as opposed to listen to the individual and accept the growth of the community from different backgrounds. [1:16:40 AM] Freelancer: That is your opinion. [1:16:51 AM] Arctix: No, that's fact [1:16:58 AM] Arctix: backed up with quotes from you saying exactly such. Freelancer: I hope with time you will see TL council members do in fact come from many different backgrounds, and in reality, the members in HC are not those I get along with per say, but exactly the opposite, they are individuals who consistently disagree with me [1:17:42 AM] Freelancer: Perhaps in time you will open your eyes to it. [1:17:47 AM] Freelancer: It's what makes TL, TL. [1:17:49 AM] Arctix: Freelancer doesn't get to say what Arctix's motives are, he can only assume. [1:21:50 AM] Arctix: Well, you don't seem to think TL makes TL, you think HC makes TL, so that arguement is null and void. You are doing the community a loss, my leadership skills and world pvp strategy skills are 100% what got me where I am, and I have done nothing publically to go against the grain. I have offered my service to TL as a Council Member, and have never strayed away from out. For you to come down on me and attempt to Police me for no reason, and claim that I am essentially being a Rebel, when I have done nothing outside of conversing with YOU solely makes for a pretty pathetic arguement, and is honestly a disservice to this community. I offered to help, and you're saying I cannot help because I won't accept Freelancer as my supreme leader and just agree with everything you say. You claim I'm a public neusance, yet have never done anything to warrant it. That's fine, if that's the way you want to play it, then equally, I do not want to be in council. There is no arguement have fun, I will continue to enjoy being a Member, and only a Member. [1:23:59 AM | Edited 1:25:18 AM] Freelancer: It's not a matter of whether you want to be in council. You were removed an hour ago. In a perfect scenario, Id like you to re-read these conversations and work past your "complex" - however you define it. I cannot control your emotions, or anger, or motives. Correct. [1:29:51 AM] Arctix: I'm not the one with a complex Freelancer. I'm okay with you sitting up there on that ant hill with a magnifying glass. I don't really care anymore. Like I said I'm okay with being a member. I dont ever want to be a Council member again. This is Freelancer lying to his Officers about some magical exclusive knowledge and program he has with nVidia, along with his claim that he's a Curse staff member. + Show Spoiler + [10:54:04 AM] Freelancer: Use beta drivers. [10:54:27 AM] Arctix: nyeh it's a matter of preference. These are solid, the other ones bug out in sli [10:55:02 AM] Freelancer: Im running sli. They work fine. Always have [10:55:09 AM] Arctix: besides these are newer [10:55:17 AM] Arctix: the latest beta drivers are from jan 29th [10:55:18 AM] Freelancer: No theyre not. [10:55:22 AM] Arctix: 313.96? [10:55:28 AM] Arctix: 314.07 are from yesterday [10:55:29 AM] Kenny "Voison" Gordon: woot 2/0 [10:55:32 AM] Arctix: and whql [10:55:43 AM] Arctix: so I'm going with yep [10:55:50 AM] Arctix: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx [10:55:58 AM] Freelancer: Oh your not in the beta program? There is an open and members only [10:56:10 AM] Freelancer: Its not hard to get in [10:57:05 AM] Arctix: No, I just run whatever is released as whql unless there's a massive performance drag. There's no sense in changing your drivers every damn time a game is released. It was getting annoying [10:57:15 AM] Arctix: I used to be active on guru3d.com [10:57:24 AM] Arctix: back in the good 'ole days of 3dfx [10:57:33 AM] Arctix: and voodoo glide mapping [10:57:45 AM] Freelancer: I got in through being on curse staff [10:57:55 AM] Freelancer: But anyone can The conversation below is the first time I butted heads with Freelancer. I legitimately tried to make it work, not knowing anything about the false claim to fame, or the deceit that was really going on. This is also him claiming responsibility for everything that the members of Team Legacy worked so hard to achieve: + Show Spoiler + ?<00:06:03> "[TL] Freelancer": I meant it when I said I hold respect for your abilities. ?<00:07:09> "[TL] Freelancer": That is the way I lead, and have led other guilds in multiple capacities. ?<00:07:31> "[TL] Freelancer": If I see any opportunity to expand or better TL, I will take it. If I see anything hurting TL, I will smash it. ?<00:07:46> "[TL] Freelancer": It's not always pretty, but as everyone knows, it always is in the best interest of TL. ?<00:08:42> "[TL] Freelancer": Everything you see around you, and the tag you bear, is my creation and mindset. I will never do anything or make any decision that is not in the best interest of the guild. ?<00:08:59> "[TL]Arctix": I don't doubt it at all, I can take jabs, I don't bode well with disrespect. I think time will help mold this into a better situation. To me GM is a title, and respect is earned. While other people naturally crumble because of power, I treat everyone as an equal. I repsect your position within the guild, but to me it doesn't change disrespect in the way you speak to me, and like I said, with time, I believe that will get better. The one thing that is absolutely undeniable is that we both have the best interest for TL ?<00:09:01> "[TL] Freelancer": Whether I have to step in and make a decision, or whether I sit back and say nothing. ?<00:10:05> "[TL] Freelancer": At this point you need to understand that I am your leader, and hence lead you. I'd like you to say you respect that, or not. ?<00:10:52> "[TL] Freelancer": I created the councils to support my goals and ambitions, and after having a staff meeting just now, that is the only thing I need to know. ?<00:12:09> "[TL]Arctix": Strictly speaking for me, You have to lead by example. I have never sold you short of your abilities, however I will not be disrespected like that, which was my initial problem. I really do think that with time everything will be benefitial to the community as a whole and our relationship will better. You also have a lot on your plate and I understand that ?<00:12:51> "[TL] Freelancer": You need to understand I've been leading by exmaple in TL for years, and brought it to where it was. You need to respect that the history you were not witness to is very much there, and what made TL what it is. ?<00:13:41> "[TL] Freelancer": I will do my best to give you an easier time, but you can not live by "Free has to prove himself to me". That is not how this works sadly. ?<00:13:53> "[TL] Freelancer": If I cannot command respect of my officers, well. You go read SunTzu ?<00:13:57> "[TL] Freelancer": theres steps to take. ?<00:14:02> "[TL]Arctix": I have that respect, I don't question that, my issue was the lack of respect when speaking to me or someone who doesn't agree. To me, you can't just say well just do it, or that's it because I said so. That's not how things work. I will not ignore the years of experience I bring to the table, because, we have a mutual interest, TL ?<00:14:27> "[TL] Freelancer": You have interest in TL Arctx. I am TL. That's all I'm saying. ?<00:14:41> "[TL] Freelancer": Everything surrounding you is my work and creation. ?<00:15:03> "[TL] Freelancer": My money, my assignments, my delegation. ?<00:16:09> "[TL] Freelancer": I have a staff that is staff because they are all people who always agree with me. I respect people that stand up and speak their mind. ?<00:16:53> "[TL] Freelancer": Lets pop on TL TS ?<00:16:55> "[TL]Arctix": Time, that's what it'll take, and the understanding of each other. You respect me, and I'll respect you. It's what you and I agreed upon when we finished that conversation, and I think that's the best thing for TL. There are a lot of people that look up to me too. It makes sense for the two of us to get along. Here's one that really shows the character of Michael Foster. He's one of those WATCH YOUR TONE, type of people, and I'm more of a respect is earned type of guy. This conversation defined almost my entire participation with this organization: + Show Spoiler + ?<20:20:29> "Freelancer": watch your tone. ?<20:20:32> Chat partner has closed the conversation ?<20:21:31> "Arctix": Free, don't start that shit with me. We have a job that we agreed to. and don't speak to me like a child. We've talked about it ?<20:22:03> "Freelancer": Watch your tone. Last warning. ?<20:22:37> "Freelancer": ?I am not treating you like a child. I am speaking to you privately in a professional manner ?<20:22:41> "Freelancer": and you are being disrespectful. ?<20:23:04> "Arctix": I'm telling you once again, don't talk to me like I'm a child. We have assignments, and as the w3 council we're sticking with it ?<20:23:27> "Freelancer": This has nothing to do with assignments. this has to do with your tone right now in TS. ?<20:24:28> "Arctix": lol I'm laughing it up with other peeps. Don't speak to me like that. I'm not a child. If I'm saying come to X BL it's for a reason. It's our job ?<20:25:23> "Freelancer": It's not what you said, it's how you said it. ?<20:25:30> "Freelancer": Watch yourself Artcx. ?<20:25:50> "Arctix": I told you not to speak to me like that. I'm doing what I'm supposed to do. ?<20:26:17> "Arctix": I'm not a child. We have obligations ?<20:26:23> "Freelancer": I am your guild leader and I run TL. I will correct you any way I see fit. You will respect that. ?<20:26:30> "Freelancer": from now on. you will privately discuss issues with me. ?<20:28:09> "Arctix": No, the councils run TL this is your verbage. in each and every different council area. ...and before you say I have a problem with authority, I'm going based off what you've said. We (Unreasonable and I) went to these meetings to better the server. This is what I'm talking about ?<20:28:31> "Freelancer": I created the councils to delgate my duties. The entire council idea is my creation Arctx. Dont be so blind. ?<20:28:58> "Freelancer": Were going way off-topic. this has nothing to do with moving back to aguuma ?<20:29:01> "Arctix": I'm not blind by anymeans ?<20:29:13> "Arctix": Look ?<20:31:04> "Arctix": set the ego aside for a second, there are issues that are bigger than me. You know I have more GM experience than you do, this is your first voyage at the helm...sortaspeak. I like being here, but don't start talking to me as though I'm a child. ?<20:31:23> "Arctix": The only thing I did, was pop in here and correct the BL ?<20:31:24> "Freelancer": Ego? You brought ego in this "big boy" bringing it up personally as if I was calling you a child ?<20:31:37> "Freelancer": This is straight professional to professional, or so I thought ?<20:31:43> "Freelancer": but now i see how you take criticism on a bad day ?<20:31:48> "Arctix": Don't bark commands at me, as though I'm a dog.. ?<20:32:09> "Freelancer": And dont bite the hand that feeds you. ?<20:32:12> "Arctix": No not at all, you initiated this conversation in an aggressive mannor ?<20:32:17> "Arctix": I'm not ?<20:32:28> "Freelancer": You did, and have done so a few times now. ?<20:32:34> "Freelancer": You intiated this talking to TL members like that ?<20:32:52> "Arctix": No, I haven't I allow them to speak freely ?<20:33:18> "Arctix": Nevertheless, don't speak to me as though I'm a child. ?<20:33:59> "Freelancer": No, you specifically ordered them to line up in a very aggressive tone, where multiple members asked wtf was wrong with you. ?<20:34:12> "Freelancer": I will respond to that, and I did. Point is, you don't have to like it. ?<20:34:32> "Arctix": No, the people around me totally understand what's going on ?<20:34:42> "Freelancer": Yea, so they told me. ?<20:34:45> "Freelancer": Were done. ?<20:35:49> "Arctix": Sure we can be done, but do not speak to me like a child, it's that simple man. I don't know what your issue is, but I am not lesser than you. Myself, and the rest of the council do what we do for the guild ?<20:36:36> "Freelancer": And I appreciate you guys taking over my duties to allow me to focus on bigger pictures. ?<20:37:16> "Arctix": I'm telling you this as a buddy. Don't speak to me like that. Other people me accept that, but I won't. ?<20:37:26> "Arctix": I'm here for TL and you know that ?<20:37:27> "Freelancer": As a human being, you are NOT lesser than me, in rank and in TL, you are. ?<20:37:30> "Freelancer": Learn it Arctx, and quick. ?<20:37:36> "Arctix": See that ?<20:38:04> "Freelancer": You could very well be a much better person IRL than me arctx. ?<20:38:10> "Freelancer": but when you put that TL tag on, you have obligations ?<20:38:26> "Arctix": there you go again. I already HAVE it. I have more experience than you do when it comes to guild organization. I don't care if you accept that or not, but if you can't accept that, that's a totally different issue ?<20:38:52> "Arctix": I joined TL to bring my abilities, and experience to the pool of already existing stuff ?<20:38:58> "Freelancer": You know nothing about my guild organization or history Arctx. Do not play that card, that is not a place you want to go. ?<20:39:04> "Arctix": See that ?<20:39:07> "Arctix": right there ?<20:39:10> "Freelancer": You started it. ?<20:39:16> "Arctix": no, YOU started it ?<20:39:22> "Freelancer": <21:38:18> "Arctix": there you go again. I already HAVE it. I have more experience than you do when it comes to guild organization. I don't care if you accept that or not, but if you can't accept that, that's a totally different issue ?<20:39:23> "Freelancer": <21:38:18> "Arctix": there you go again. I already HAVE it. I have more experience than you do when it comes to guild organization. I don't care if you accept that or not, but if you can't accept that, that's a totally different issue ?<20:39:35> "Arctix": I know enough to say that you are in no place to speak to me like that ?<20:39:46> "Arctix": Same team ?<20:39:48> "Freelancer": You've never been in the military have you? ?<20:40:05> "Arctix": the military has nothing to do with online gaming or e sports ?<20:40:09> "Freelancer": It just occured to me. ?<20:40:11> "Freelancer": Have you? ?<20:41:05> "Arctix": No, but what I have been is apart of major mmo guilds and communities. Played longer, and know how to handle a situation like this. You don't talk down to people the way you do. ?<20:41:09> "Arctix": It's wrong ?<20:41:22> "Freelancer": There you go once again. Assuming you know a damn thing about me. ?<20:42:10> "Freelancer": You realize you speak that I am talking down to you, but then you turn around and form a side of your story which directly "plays" me down? ?<20:42:23> "Freelancer": by speaking of your assumed experience over mine? ?<20:42:24> "Arctix": Okay, by the same token, there you go assuming that whatever "experience" you have, automatically subsidizes (sp) anything I say because you sit in the GM seat. Instead of utilizing the experience and knowledge that I have ?<20:42:31> "Freelancer": Thats hypocritical. ?<20:42:51> "Freelancer": No Arctx. I speak of experience in TL, the ONLY experience that matters. ?<20:43:04> "Arctix": No that's wrong though TL experience isn't the only one that matters ?<20:43:20> "Arctix": we come from so many different backgrounds and all of these help TL grow to a better place ?<20:45:22> "Arctix": Look, case and point, I don't think you're a bad guy. I have more video game leadership experience than you do. I am more than willing to help facilitate and augment your GM seat, but you have to be willing to listen instead of automatically turning it down because you're not used to people speaking up. ?<20:45:25> "Arctix": and keep in mind ?<20:45:37> "Arctix": if I DID NOT WANT TO, I wouldn't offer ?<20:45:40> "Arctix": it's why I'm here ?<20:45:49> "Freelancer": Arctx. I dont give a shit what you think of me. There is a right way and wrong way to bring up issues, and you consistently choose the WRONG way. ?<20:45:59> "Freelancer": I'm starting to understand some things about you now.; ?<20:46:00> "Arctix": according to who? ?<20:46:32> "Arctix": You don't even listen to half the shit we talk about during our meetings with other guilds, or ideas and stuff that we have pushed as part of the council ?<20:46:52> "Freelancer": Arctx. You are brand new to those. I've been listening to meetings and running WvW for 3 years. ?<20:46:56> "Freelancer": Do NOT patronize me. ?<20:46:57> "Arctix": No I'm not lol ?<20:47:01> "Freelancer": I can very quickly do what you do and more. ?<20:47:05> "Freelancer": again. ?<20:47:10> "Freelancer": I APPRECIATE ?<20:47:12> "Freelancer": you taking over. ?<20:47:13> "Arctix": No you can't, because you haven't been where I have been ?<20:47:18> "Arctix": or done what I've done ?<20:47:23> "Freelancer": Vice versa. ?<20:47:24> "Arctix": you see who's defensive again? ?<20:47:44> "Arctix": okay than if it's vice versa, who's being hippocritical? ?<20:48:00> "Freelancer": Physchologically you've been defensive this entire time, and one would dictate a little passive, bringing up "factoids" whenever possible about yourself to appear bigger. ?<20:48:10> "Freelancer": This doesn't change the context of this Arctx. ?<20:48:13> "Arctix": no not at all, I've been defensive ?<20:48:26> "Freelancer": Therein lies your problem. ?<20:48:44> "Arctix": Well, you opened up with talking to me like I'm a child ?<20:48:51> "Freelancer": You talked to TL like children. ?<20:48:52> "Arctix": ala "do NOT patronize me" ?<20:49:08> "Arctix": No not at all, I speak to TL like equals and train them accordingly ?<20:49:19> "Arctix": I get great feedback from everyone ?<20:49:32> "Freelancer": I know exactly the ups and downs of what you get. ?<20:49:51> "Arctix": Free have you ever considered that you do not know everything? I mean look at what you're saying to me ?<20:50:14> "Freelancer": Arctx I know damn well I don't know everything. This has nothing to do with knowledge, experience, or anything of the sort. ?<20:50:48> "Arctix": Now you're taking it out of context, I don't mean you as a person ?<20:50:51> "Freelancer": This has to due with respect, and chain of command. ?<20:50:56> "Freelancer": We are dropping channel. ?<20:50:57> "Arctix": Wait a minute ?<20:51:08> "Arctix": Let's talk about respect ?<20:51:10> "Freelancer": This is being resolved right now. Okay with all that I'm done with the boring conversations. I hope enough people read this, steer clear of Team Legacy, and more specifically Freelancer, and most importantly, please don't show hatred or disrespect towards former members of Team Legacy because of their past affiliations with Freelancer. The only reason I didn't quit immediately is because once I gained a leadership position within the guild and other players counted on me, I didn't want to let them down. I apologize for the lengthy post, but I feel like an insider's look would be helpful in understanding what a piece of shit this guy is. Freelancer if you do read this, I sincerely hope you raise your kid to be better then his disrespectful petty father. I'm glad the Team Liquid community has finally acknowledge your lies and deceit, and is doing something to spread awareness of your e-cancer, because honestly man, stealing money from players that are joining your group for a home under a fake blanket of a gaming community is pretty fucking low. I'm just glad I never donated to your fake "LLC". I love all yo faces, Arctix | ||
|
DefMatrixUltra
Canada1992 Posts
I've never met Freelancer or directly interacted with him in any way so I know nothing about his personality. But holy shit the levels of crazy in those chats are off the chart. It's certainly interesting to see the bits of personality that you can match up to the actions taken. [TL] Freelancer: You have interest in TL Arctx. I am TL. That's all I'm saying. No wonder he's saying that this thread represents an attack on Team Legacy. He thinks he is Team Legacy. | ||
|
Staboteur
Canada1873 Posts
| ||
|
SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
On December 04 2013 19:11 DefMatrixUltra wrote: Pretty interesting what pops out of the woodwork with situations like this. I've never met Freelancer or directly interacted with him in any way so I know nothing about his personality. But holy shit the levels of crazy in those chats are off the chart. It's certainly interesting to see the bits of personality that you can match up to the actions taken. [TL] Freelancer: You have interest in TL Arctx. I am TL. That's all I'm saying. No wonder he's saying that this thread represents an attack on Team Legacy. He thinks he is Team Legacy. I enjoyed these quotes: ?<00:08:42> "[TL] Freelancer": Everything you see around you, and the tag you bear, is my creation and mindset. I will never do anything or make any decision that is not in the best interest of the guild. ?<20:28:31> "Freelancer": I created the councils to delgate my duties. The entire council idea is my creation Arctx. Dont be so blind. ?<20:32:09> "Freelancer": And dont bite the hand that feeds you. Got a serious "dark emperor" vibe from star wars when I read that. | ||
|
FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On December 04 2013 21:20 SilentchiLL wrote: I enjoyed these quotes: Got a sidious "dark emperor" vibe from star wars when I read that. Fixed that for you. | ||
Nyovne
Netherlands19129 Posts
| ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
| ||
Fildun
Netherlands4118 Posts
Still I'm surprised how many people actually bought his lies, at least all of the leaders. I get that as a lower member you still get pretty awesome leaders like Arctix so I guess that's also a reason why they got big, but for all the higher ranked people I don't get why they didn't just quit/switched clans. | ||
tofucake
Hyrule18968 Posts
lol | ||
|
SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
On December 04 2013 23:21 tofucake wrote: "[TL] Freelancer": I have a staff that is staff because they are all people who always agree with me lol Don't leave out the best part of the quote ?<00:16:09> "[TL] Freelancer": I have a staff that is staff because they are all people who always agree with me. I respect people that stand up and speak their mind. | ||
|
DefMatrixUltra
Canada1992 Posts
| ||
|
Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
Team Liquid is pretty non-judgemental, you don't have to worry about people judging team legacy folks for no reason. Thanks for your post! Hopefully more and more people start to understand what a crappy person this guy has been and things start to break out from under him. | ||
|
Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
| ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
| ||
|
Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
He claimed that all of these supposed donations would go to the Team Legacy, LLC. To help promote the site, pay for bills for the site, various servers, etc. The only problem is, Team Legacy, LLC. did not exist. Ever. The only Team Legacy that was a legitimate Team Legacy is an IT and Real Estate consulting firm founded by Lovise and Cheryl Jiles (http://www.tsdesignstudio.net/blog_inner.php?id=28). Freelancer was profiting from countless member’s donations and from revenue created from the Amazon link posted in the Team Legacy website. I couldn’t associate myself with someone like that, and it drove me to start doing some homework behind the scenes. I even pulled up the Chattanooga court fillings for corporation foundations and there was no Team Legacy, LLC in TN. The closest legitimate corporation matching anything close to Team Legacy was out of Indiana on a farm road and an abandoned building. Even that corporation was expired. What Michael Foster is doing is absolutely criminal and wrong. Can any legal action come of this? I know I myself donate a lot to server costs and things for communities I love, and through no fault of their own, a lot of Team Legacy people probably sunk a lot of money into this place. I'd feel bad if they had no way to get their shit back because irninja is a tool. This is ridiculous, he want from being a little brat on Minecraft to an actual conman. I can't wait to see the karma come crashing down on this kid. What a jackass. | ||
| ||
