The Tale of irninja aka Freelancer - Page 7

[1:09:55 AM] Freelancer: Here is what is going on.
[1:10:13 AM] Arctix: I don't really care, it's entirely irrelivant if the decision has been
made.
Right now you're listed as a Chapter member. I made it a point both in council and HC that I
feel once you calm down, and get back on the right mindset, that you could be among the most
valuable we have in TL.
[1:11:03 AM] Arctix: I don't need your assertation of when I'm calmed down. I'm not your kid.
[1:11:24 AM] Arctix: I have no interest in being apart of council under Freelancer's
dictatorship. A member with no opinion will suffice.
[1:11:48 AM] Freelancer: Until you understand that the verbage you use against me and other
HC, and the general "i need to go against the grain" mentality relaxes, we cannot count on you
to represent TL in matters that affect the entire community.
[1:12:07 AM] Freelancer: Arctix, call it as you normally do, but this was a decision among all
HC, unanimously.
[1:12:10 AM] Freelancer: We are finished.
[1:12:10 AM] Arctix: That's just the image you put up there Free, that isn't what actually is
happening, it's only how you take it
[1:12:22 AM] Arctix: We're just getting started.
[1:12:42 AM] Freelancer: And what is that supposed to mean exactly?
Your continual remarks towards me and that of the integrity of HC, which even now you continue
with, is exactly what brought you here in the first place.
[1:16:02 AM] Arctix: No what brought me in here, is your inability to understand that I am not
a yes-man. Once we move past that, will you be able to understand anything I say. You're
speaking down to me, and it's having zero effect. You then changed it form conversing to
dictating, and that's where I lost interest in council. But make sure that when you say
something, you say it correctly. It isn't because I'm "going against the grain" it's because I
will not be apart of a council that's lead by someone who wants to dictate things as opposed
to listen to the individual and accept the growth of the community from different backgrounds.
[1:16:40 AM] Freelancer: That is your opinion.
[1:16:51 AM] Arctix: No, that's fact
[1:16:58 AM] Arctix: backed up with quotes from you saying exactly such.
Freelancer: I hope with time you will see TL council members do in fact come from many
different backgrounds, and in reality, the members in HC are not those I get along with per
say, but exactly the opposite, they are individuals who consistently disagree with me
[1:17:42 AM] Freelancer: Perhaps in time you will open your eyes to it.
[1:17:47 AM] Freelancer: It's what makes TL, TL.
[1:17:49 AM] Arctix: Freelancer doesn't get to say what Arctix's motives are, he can only
assume.
[1:21:50 AM] Arctix: Well, you don't seem to think TL makes TL, you think HC makes TL, so that
arguement is null and void. You are doing the community a loss, my leadership skills and world
pvp strategy skills are 100% what got me where I am, and I have done nothing publically to go
against the grain. I have offered my service to TL as a Council Member, and have never strayed
away from out. For you to come down on me and attempt to Police me for no reason, and claim
that I am essentially being a Rebel, when I have done nothing outside of conversing with YOU
solely makes for a pretty pathetic arguement, and is honestly a disservice to this community.
I offered to help, and you're saying I cannot help because I won't accept Freelancer as my
supreme leader and just agree with everything you say. You claim I'm a public neusance, yet
have never done anything to warrant it. That's fine, if that's the way you want to play it,
then equally, I do not want to be in council. There is no arguement have fun, I will continue
to enjoy being a Member, and only a Member.
[1:23:59 AM | Edited 1:25:18 AM] Freelancer: It's not a matter of whether you want to be in
council. You were removed an hour ago. In a perfect scenario, Id like you to re-read these
conversations and work past your "complex" - however you define it. I cannot control your
emotions, or anger, or motives. Correct.
[1:29:51 AM] Arctix: I'm not the one with a complex Freelancer. I'm okay with you sitting up
there on that ant hill with a magnifying glass. I don't really care anymore. Like I said I'm
okay with being a member. I dont ever want to be a Council member again.

[10:54:04 AM] Freelancer: Use beta drivers.
[10:54:27 AM] Arctix: nyeh it's a matter of preference. These are solid, the other ones bug out in sli
[10:55:02 AM] Freelancer: Im running sli. They work fine. Always have
[10:55:09 AM] Arctix: besides these are newer
[10:55:17 AM] Arctix: the latest beta drivers are from jan 29th
[10:55:18 AM] Freelancer: No theyre not.
[10:55:22 AM] Arctix: 313.96?
[10:55:28 AM] Arctix: 314.07 are from yesterday
[10:55:29 AM] Kenny "Voison" Gordon: woot 2/0
[10:55:32 AM] Arctix: and whql
[10:55:43 AM] Arctix: so I'm going with yep
[10:55:50 AM] Arctix: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx
[10:55:58 AM] Freelancer: Oh your not in the beta program? There is an open and members only
[10:56:10 AM] Freelancer: Its not hard to get in
[10:57:05 AM] Arctix: No, I just run whatever is released as whql unless there's a massive performance drag. There's no sense in changing your drivers every damn time a game is released. It was getting annoying
[10:57:15 AM] Arctix: I used to be active on guru3d.com
[10:57:24 AM] Arctix: back in the good 'ole days of 3dfx
[10:57:33 AM] Arctix: and voodoo glide mapping
[10:57:45 AM] Freelancer: I got in through being on curse staff
[10:57:55 AM] Freelancer: But anyone can

?<00:06:03> "[TL] Freelancer": I meant it when I said I hold respect for your abilities.
?<00:07:09> "[TL] Freelancer": That is the way I lead, and have led other guilds in multiple capacities.
?<00:07:31> "[TL] Freelancer": If I see any opportunity to expand or better TL, I will take it. If I see anything hurting TL, I will smash it.
?<00:07:46> "[TL] Freelancer": It's not always pretty, but as everyone knows, it always is in the best interest of TL.
?<00:08:42> "[TL] Freelancer": Everything you see around you, and the tag you bear, is my creation and mindset. I will never do anything or make any decision that is not in the best interest of the guild.
?<00:08:59> "[TL]Arctix": I don't doubt it at all, I can take jabs, I don't bode well with disrespect. I think time will help mold this into a better situation. To me GM is a title, and respect is earned. While other people naturally crumble because of power, I treat everyone as an equal. I repsect your position within the guild, but to me it doesn't change disrespect in the way you speak to me, and like I said, with time, I believe that will get better. The one thing that is absolutely undeniable is that we both have the best interest for TL
?<00:09:01> "[TL] Freelancer": Whether I have to step in and make a decision, or whether I sit back and say nothing.
?<00:10:05> "[TL] Freelancer": At this point you need to understand that I am your leader, and hence lead you. I'd like you to say you respect that, or not.
?<00:10:52> "[TL] Freelancer": I created the councils to support my goals and ambitions, and after having a staff meeting just now, that is the only thing I need to know.
?<00:12:09> "[TL]Arctix": Strictly speaking for me, You have to lead by example. I have never sold you short of your abilities, however I will not be disrespected like that, which was my initial problem. I really do think that with time everything will be benefitial to the community as a whole and our relationship will better. You also have a lot on your plate and I understand that
?<00:12:51> "[TL] Freelancer": You need to understand I've been leading by exmaple in TL for years, and brought it to where it was. You need to respect that the history you were not witness to is very much there, and what made TL what it is.
?<00:13:41> "[TL] Freelancer": I will do my best to give you an easier time, but you can not live by "Free has to prove himself to me". That is not how this works sadly.
?<00:13:53> "[TL] Freelancer": If I cannot command respect of my officers, well. You go read SunTzu
?<00:13:57> "[TL] Freelancer": theres steps to take.
?<00:14:02> "[TL]Arctix": I have that respect, I don't question that, my issue was the lack of respect when speaking to me or someone who doesn't agree. To me, you can't just say well just do it, or that's it because I said so. That's not how things work. I will not ignore the years of experience I bring to the table, because, we have a mutual interest, TL
?<00:14:27> "[TL] Freelancer": You have interest in TL Arctx. I am TL. That's all I'm saying.
?<00:14:41> "[TL] Freelancer": Everything surrounding you is my work and creation.
?<00:15:03> "[TL] Freelancer": My money, my assignments, my delegation.
?<00:16:09> "[TL] Freelancer": I have a staff that is staff because they are all people who always agree with me. I respect people that stand up and speak their mind.
?<00:16:53> "[TL] Freelancer": Lets pop on TL TS
?<00:16:55> "[TL]Arctix": Time, that's what it'll take, and the understanding of each other. You respect me, and I'll respect you. It's what you and I agreed upon when we finished that conversation, and I think that's the best thing for TL. There are a lot of people that look up to me too. It makes sense for the two of us to get along.

?<20:20:29> "Freelancer": watch your tone.
?<20:20:32> Chat partner has closed the conversation
?<20:21:31> "Arctix": Free, don't start that shit with me. We have a job that we agreed to. and don't speak to me like a child. We've talked about it
?<20:22:03> "Freelancer": Watch your tone. Last warning.
?<20:22:37> "Freelancer": ?I am not treating you like a child. I am speaking to you privately in a professional manner
?<20:22:41> "Freelancer": and you are being disrespectful.
?<20:23:04> "Arctix": I'm telling you once again, don't talk to me like I'm a child. We have assignments, and as the w3 council we're sticking with it
?<20:23:27> "Freelancer": This has nothing to do with assignments. this has to do with your tone right now in TS.
?<20:24:28> "Arctix": lol I'm laughing it up with other peeps. Don't speak to me like that. I'm not a child. If I'm saying come to X BL it's for a reason. It's our job
?<20:25:23> "Freelancer": It's not what you said, it's how you said it.
?<20:25:30> "Freelancer": Watch yourself Artcx.
?<20:25:50> "Arctix": I told you not to speak to me like that. I'm doing what I'm supposed to do.
?<20:26:17> "Arctix": I'm not a child. We have obligations
?<20:26:23> "Freelancer": I am your guild leader and I run TL. I will correct you any way I see fit. You will respect that.
?<20:26:30> "Freelancer": from now on. you will privately discuss issues with me.
?<20:28:09> "Arctix": No, the councils run TL this is your verbage. in each and every different council area. ...and before you say I have a problem with authority, I'm going based off what you've said. We (Unreasonable and I) went to these meetings to better the server. This is what I'm talking about
?<20:28:31> "Freelancer": I created the councils to delgate my duties. The entire council idea is my creation Arctx. Dont be so blind.
?<20:28:58> "Freelancer": Were going way off-topic. this has nothing to do with moving back to aguuma
?<20:29:01> "Arctix": I'm not blind by anymeans
?<20:29:13> "Arctix": Look
?<20:31:04> "Arctix": set the ego aside for a second, there are issues that are bigger than me. You know I have more GM experience than you do, this is your first voyage at the helm...sortaspeak. I like being here, but don't start talking to me as though I'm a child.
?<20:31:23> "Arctix": The only thing I did, was pop in here and correct the BL
?<20:31:24> "Freelancer": Ego? You brought ego in this "big boy" bringing it up personally as if I was calling you a child
?<20:31:37> "Freelancer": This is straight professional to professional, or so I thought
?<20:31:43> "Freelancer": but now i see how you take criticism on a bad day
?<20:31:48> "Arctix": Don't bark commands at me, as though I'm a dog..
?<20:32:09> "Freelancer": And dont bite the hand that feeds you.
?<20:32:12> "Arctix": No not at all, you initiated this conversation in an aggressive mannor
?<20:32:17> "Arctix": I'm not
?<20:32:28> "Freelancer": You did, and have done so a few times now.
?<20:32:34> "Freelancer": You intiated this talking to TL members like that
?<20:32:52> "Arctix": No, I haven't I allow them to speak freely
?<20:33:18> "Arctix": Nevertheless, don't speak to me as though I'm a child.
?<20:33:59> "Freelancer": No, you specifically ordered them to line up in a very aggressive tone, where multiple members asked wtf was wrong with you.
?<20:34:12> "Freelancer": I will respond to that, and I did. Point is, you don't have to like it.
?<20:34:32> "Arctix": No, the people around me totally understand what's going on
?<20:34:42> "Freelancer": Yea, so they told me.
?<20:34:45> "Freelancer": Were done.
?<20:35:49> "Arctix": Sure we can be done, but do not speak to me like a child, it's that simple man. I don't know what your issue is, but I am not lesser than you. Myself, and the rest of the council do what we do for the guild
?<20:36:36> "Freelancer": And I appreciate you guys taking over my duties to allow me to focus on bigger pictures.
?<20:37:16> "Arctix": I'm telling you this as a buddy. Don't speak to me like that. Other people me accept that, but I won't.
?<20:37:26> "Arctix": I'm here for TL and you know that
?<20:37:27> "Freelancer": As a human being, you are NOT lesser than me, in rank and in TL, you are.
?<20:37:30> "Freelancer": Learn it Arctx, and quick.
?<20:37:36> "Arctix": See that
?<20:38:04> "Freelancer": You could very well be a much better person IRL than me arctx.
?<20:38:10> "Freelancer": but when you put that TL tag on, you have obligations
?<20:38:26> "Arctix": there you go again. I already HAVE it. I have more experience than you do when it comes to guild organization. I don't care if you accept that or not, but if you can't accept that, that's a totally different issue
?<20:38:52> "Arctix": I joined TL to bring my abilities, and experience to the pool of already existing stuff
?<20:38:58> "Freelancer": You know nothing about my guild organization or history Arctx. Do not play that card, that is not a place you want to go.
?<20:39:04> "Arctix": See that
?<20:39:07> "Arctix": right there
?<20:39:10> "Freelancer": You started it.
?<20:39:16> "Arctix": no, YOU started it
?<20:39:22> "Freelancer": <21:38:18> "Arctix": there you go again. I already HAVE it. I have more experience than you do when it comes to guild organization. I don't care if you accept that or not, but if you can't accept that, that's a totally different issue
?<20:39:23> "Freelancer": <21:38:18> "Arctix": there you go again. I already HAVE it. I have more experience than you do when it comes to guild organization. I don't care if you accept that or not, but if you can't accept that, that's a totally different issue
?<20:39:35> "Arctix": I know enough to say that you are in no place to speak to me like that
?<20:39:46> "Arctix": Same team
?<20:39:48> "Freelancer": You've never been in the military have you?
?<20:40:05> "Arctix": the military has nothing to do with online gaming or e sports
?<20:40:09> "Freelancer": It just occured to me.
?<20:40:11> "Freelancer": Have you?
?<20:41:05> "Arctix": No, but what I have been is apart of major mmo guilds and communities. Played longer, and know how to handle a situation like this. You don't talk down to people the way you do.
?<20:41:09> "Arctix": It's wrong
?<20:41:22> "Freelancer": There you go once again. Assuming you know a damn thing about me.
?<20:42:10> "Freelancer": You realize you speak that I am talking down to you, but then you turn around and form a side of your story which directly "plays" me down?
?<20:42:23> "Freelancer": by speaking of your assumed experience over mine?
?<20:42:24> "Arctix": Okay, by the same token, there you go assuming that whatever "experience" you have, automatically subsidizes (sp) anything I say because you sit in the GM seat. Instead of utilizing the experience and knowledge that I have
?<20:42:31> "Freelancer": Thats hypocritical.
?<20:42:51> "Freelancer": No Arctx. I speak of experience in TL, the ONLY experience that matters.
?<20:43:04> "Arctix": No that's wrong though TL experience isn't the only one that matters
?<20:43:20> "Arctix": we come from so many different backgrounds and all of these help TL grow to a better place
?<20:45:22> "Arctix": Look, case and point, I don't think you're a bad guy. I have more video game leadership experience than you do. I am more than willing to help facilitate and augment your GM seat, but you have to be willing to listen instead of automatically turning it down because you're not used to people speaking up.
?<20:45:25> "Arctix": and keep in mind
?<20:45:37> "Arctix": if I DID NOT WANT TO, I wouldn't offer
?<20:45:40> "Arctix": it's why I'm here
?<20:45:49> "Freelancer": Arctx. I dont give a shit what you think of me. There is a right way and wrong way to bring up issues, and you consistently choose the WRONG way.
?<20:45:59> "Freelancer": I'm starting to understand some things about you now.;
?<20:46:00> "Arctix": according to who?
?<20:46:32> "Arctix": You don't even listen to half the shit we talk about during our meetings with other guilds, or ideas and stuff that we have pushed as part of the council
?<20:46:52> "Freelancer": Arctx. You are brand new to those. I've been listening to meetings and running WvW for 3 years.
?<20:46:56> "Freelancer": Do NOT patronize me.
?<20:46:57> "Arctix": No I'm not lol
?<20:47:01> "Freelancer": I can very quickly do what you do and more.
?<20:47:05> "Freelancer": again.
?<20:47:10> "Freelancer": I APPRECIATE
?<20:47:12> "Freelancer": you taking over.
?<20:47:13> "Arctix": No you can't, because you haven't been where I have been
?<20:47:18> "Arctix": or done what I've done
?<20:47:23> "Freelancer": Vice versa.
?<20:47:24> "Arctix": you see who's defensive again?
?<20:47:44> "Arctix": okay than if it's vice versa, who's being hippocritical?
?<20:48:00> "Freelancer": Physchologically you've been defensive this entire time, and one would dictate a little passive, bringing up "factoids" whenever possible about yourself to appear bigger.
?<20:48:10> "Freelancer": This doesn't change the context of this Arctx.
?<20:48:13> "Arctix": no not at all, I've been defensive
?<20:48:26> "Freelancer": Therein lies your problem.
?<20:48:44> "Arctix": Well, you opened up with talking to me like I'm a child
?<20:48:51> "Freelancer": You talked to TL like children.
?<20:48:52> "Arctix": ala "do NOT patronize me"
?<20:49:08> "Arctix": No not at all, I speak to TL like equals and train them accordingly
?<20:49:19> "Arctix": I get great feedback from everyone
?<20:49:32> "Freelancer": I know exactly the ups and downs of what you get.
?<20:49:51> "Arctix": Free have you ever considered that you do not know everything? I mean look at what you're saying to me
?<20:50:14> "Freelancer": Arctx I know damn well I don't know everything. This has nothing to do with knowledge, experience, or anything of the sort.
?<20:50:48> "Arctix": Now you're taking it out of context, I don't mean you as a person
?<20:50:51> "Freelancer": This has to due with respect, and chain of command.
?<20:50:56> "Freelancer": We are dropping channel.
?<20:50:57> "Arctix": Wait a minute
?<20:51:08> "Arctix": Let's talk about respect
?<20:51:10> "Freelancer": This is being resolved right now.