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On December 07 2013 09:39 Holy_AT wrote:
I can understand that Team Liquid staff can be annoyed if someone is siphoning members from them and using their name without their explicit permission.
But I have little respect for the people who have been in these Legacy guilds what ever. I mean if a guild is okay good bad whatever has nothing to do if it is affiliated with team liquid or not and some people only joining them because they wanted to be cool and in a "TL" guild, well ...
You should judge guilds and forums by their actions, progress and people and not with whom they are affiliated or what they claim.
I think the ban is well deserved and it is sad to see that such thing could go one for quite some time. I think some of the people who joined Team Legacy are also to blame for being naive and stupid, although freelancer seemed to be quite an apt liar. His bluff skill must be extremely high XD
I agree 1000000000000%
Keep in mind, and it's easy to misunderstand. I am in total defense of Team Legacy. Team Legacy did NOTHING wrong. Nothing. Nadda. Not a damn thing. I like a lot of people in it. The person at fault is their leader, the scumbag that's taking advantage of players. He's the reason for all the issues. It's wrong to lure people in based off of fame and credit that hard working individuals like the Team Liquid community and Leaders such as myself have put into their gaming career only to mooch more members. It's equally wrong to not do homework when you're joining a community. Why would you have little respect for players who don't know any better? These new generations, honestly don't know that researching a guild, and verifying the legitimacy is a requirement if you're investing your future into them. You know?
I think the important thing to take from here is that Freelancer is a piece of shit, and so long as he represents the Team Legacy organization, the organization is subject to the same scrutiny-- because it's built on lies. The individual players aren't bad, nor are they at fault, it's the brand and it's leader.
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Since Serejai has slain team legacy leader in 1 on 1 combat it is a customary guild honored tradition that Serejai must now take over the alpha spot of iron fisted tyrannical leader.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50752 Posts
On December 07 2013 10:28 Coagulation wrote:
Since Serejai has slain team legacy leader in 1 on 1 combat it is a customary guild honored tradition that Serejai must now take over the alpha spot of iron fisted tyrannical leader.
that only applies if you have slain the opponent in Mortal Kombat not regular combat.
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So maybe you will know Arctix. I'm curious why Orz, if he's the co-founder, is "BANNED" on their forums?
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On December 08 2013 13:53 pro138 wrote:
So maybe you will know Arctix. I'm curious why Orz, if he's the co-founder, is "BANNED" on their forums?
Orz took a break for gaming for a time and when he came back he was basically lied to about stuff. However, he later found out at a time after me and Arctix left that all of our proof was true. I don't know the exact reason that he is banned but I know he had a few disagreements with Freelancer.
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does this topic have anything to do with the switch from the TSL tourneys to TLS ?
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Hyrule19200 Posts
TSL is the Team Liquid Star League (SC2)
TLS is the Team Liquid Legacy Star League (BW)
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On December 09 2013 00:54 tofucake wrote:
TSL is the Team Liquid Star League (SC2)
TLS is the Team Liquid Legacy Star League (BW)
Razer TSL and Pokerstrategy.com TSL were BW events.
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On December 09 2013 04:15 EnjoYmE wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2013 00:54 tofucake wrote:
TSL is the Team Liquid Star League (SC2)
TLS is the Team Liquid Legacy Star League (BW) Razer TSL and Pokerstrategy.com TSL were BW events.
that was before Starcraft 2 was out, and TSL3 was SC2.
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On December 08 2013 13:53 pro138 wrote:
So maybe you will know Arctix. I'm curious why Orz, if he's the co-founder, is "BANNED" on their forums?
Orz is not a co-founder. I don't know how he got that title. I was in the guild before he was, and I wasn't even a co-founder. He was just someone that entirely bought into what Free did, so he was given a title with a ton of clout.
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On December 08 2013 23:51 EnjoYmE wrote:
does this topic have anything to do with the switch from the TSL tourneys to TLS ?
Just in case the other answers weren't crystal clear: no.
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funny within hours of my post Orz is now a "Member" and but has no profile as if he were still banned. interesting. someone is watching.
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On December 09 2013 12:11 pro138 wrote:
funny within hours of my post Orz is now a "Member" and but has no profile as if he were still banned. interesting. someone is watching.
I always feel like.. SOMEBODY'S WATCHING MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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On December 09 2013 09:28 Disciple7 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2013 13:53 pro138 wrote:
So maybe you will know Arctix. I'm curious why Orz, if he's the co-founder, is "BANNED" on their forums? Orz is not a co-founder. I don't know how he got that title. I was in the guild before he was, and I wasn't even a co-founder. He was just someone that entirely bought into what Free did, so he was given a title with a ton of clout.
Orz did help a lot with the backend of operations after you had left, so he was given the title.
A lot of us were "co-founders" and never got a title. It's not like it matters though.
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I am said "Orz." I haven't been to the Team Legacy website in so long that it doesn't matter anymore but this thread was recently brought to my attention.
Was I told a bunch of stuff and sold a bunch of stuff that just wasn't true? Yes.
Did I have wool over my eyes for a long time? Yes, and I regret I was ever part of the upper echelon of Team Legacy. A lot of my time wasted in the end.
Did I finally wake up? Sure did, and life has been grand ever since without me wasting it on silly bullshit. Freelancer is quite aware of what I think of him, and has been for some time.
Is this really worth my time and effort? Nope, but this was brought to my attention by people who actually care, so I gave it a second of said time and effort.
Whatever the purpose is here, I hope it was fulfilled. I made some long-term friends because of my time in Team Legacy, and that is about the only good that ever came out of it.
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As of this posting the Team Legacy forums are no longer viewable unless you are registered and a lot of threads have been pruned. They seem to be in full-on damage control mode with their members.
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On December 18 2013 13:36 Serejai wrote:
As of this posting the Team Legacy forums are no longer viewable unless you are registered and a lot of threads have been pruned. They seem to be in full-on damage control mode with their members.
Well after me Arctix and a bunch of others left they did take down their forums for about a day or so claiming we took them down in order to delete a bunch of stuff so its not unheard of.
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Oh man those logs...Arctix thanks for posting.
Authoritarian leadership models really rely on the abilities and judgment of the person or people at the top.
See if this guy:
-was extremely good at the game or at least had the right mindset for becoming top tier material
-didn't have shit for credibility due to his constant lies
-didn't take credit for people's work for personal profit while sharing nothing
-knew how to properly utilize the abilities of those in the guild instead of driving competent members away
maybe team legacy would be better than what appears to be an obsessively manipulative cult leader inundating the mindless cultists with propaganda while everyone else looks on in revulsion, or at least morbid curiosity.
If a leader wants to both have a good organization and a very high degree of control, that leader had better be a damn good leader. This guy...is definitely not. Sun Tzu would be ashamed
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There's a teamlegacy.net recruiting thread in the TL steam group. We might want to take that down somehow.
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