EPTtldr; TL is hard to use at first.
So mighty community, what one piece of advice would you offer to joe noob who signed up on TL 1 minute ago?
Advice on using TL
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
tldr; TL is hard to use at first. So mighty community, what one piece of advice would you offer to joe noob who signed up on TL 1 minute ago? | ||
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Phantom09
United States73 Posts
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Emporio
United States3069 Posts
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vohne
Philippines197 Posts
My advice would be that you can actually minimize sections that you do not read, therefore eliminating clutter on the side. | ||
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Fleshcut
Germany592 Posts
Dont go on a post-hunt-frenzy because 1) your post count isnt your penis and 2) its impossible to catch up to the big guys anyway. If you cant find something even after searching for a long long time or when you want to open a topic but you dont know if its appropriate just ask a mod. I heard they are friendly and help a lot :3 | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
On September 01 2011 23:41 Emporio wrote: Don't post for about two weeks. Yes, this one... There's really no other way. You won't have any idea what the standards and customs are unless you read the site and watch the mistakes that others are making. Learn from their mistakes first  Browse through the closed threads section too. | ||
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
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simansh
257 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 01 2011 23:51 simansh wrote: Don't post in the strategy section because the mods love to ban you for absurd reasons there. You mean reasons written already. | ||
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The Intensity
United Kingdom66 Posts
"Day9 made me do it". Works wonders. Day9 made me do it. | ||
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SarR
476 Posts
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Archas
United States6531 Posts
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Grettin
42381 Posts
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Stijx
United States804 Posts
(and write some stuff for Liquipedia) edit: And don't write anything like "umad?" or something that makes you look stupid, a lot of people come here to get away from the rest of the internet. | ||
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Emporio
United States3069 Posts
On September 01 2011 23:59 SarR wrote: If a thread shows people disproportionately in support or against an idea, like 95% to 5%, dont be that 5%. It has the potential to massively derail threads and can lead to your ban. This website is one of the most heavily moderated sites Ive ever come across. Its not really a good place to dispute anything because sooner or later words like "faggot" and "moron" starts getting thrown around and when people's feelings get hurt here, the offenders get swiftly dealt with. Part of the appeal of TL is that people with thin skins can feel comfortable here so keep that in mind. I disagree that you should never be the minority. There are times that you shouldn't express your opinion because it's unnecessary (SC2 in BW topics) or you're being a massive troll (posting crap in a fan club). However if in the proper place and with a good attitude, disagreements are key to good discussion. EDIT: Now that you've edited your post I realize you are trolling in one of the stupidest topics for you to be doing that in. | ||
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smallerk
897 Posts
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Sfumato
Italy23 Posts
Hi TL. Glad to be part of the community. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
a lot of people come here to get away from the rest of the internet So true! | ||
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ntvarify
United States331 Posts
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
On September 02 2011 00:01 Stijx wrote: Read the entire damn thread before you post in it, if you get there late and still want to express your opinion, read it, then post. Don't read the OP, then post your opinion on page 48 because it most likely was said on page 2. (and write some stuff for Liquipedia) edit: And don't write anything like "umad?" or something that makes you look stupid, a lot of people come here to get away from the rest of the internet. This works, although I'd say maybe 5% of users actually read the entirety of an OP at the moment so having people read the whole thread is somewhat optimistic. | ||
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surfinbird1
Germany999 Posts
Should give anyone an idea what the posting standards are and what the mods have to endure day after day. Also you can familiarize yourself with some of the mods/banlings and established community members and trolls. | ||
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ChaoSbringer
Australia1382 Posts
Don't know how people could live without it. | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
Finally, you just signed away countless hours of your life, enjoy!  | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9016 Posts
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
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SarR
476 Posts
On September 02 2011 00:04 Emporio wrote: I disagree that you should never be the minority. There are times that you shouldn't express your opinion because it's unnecessary (SC2 in BW topics) or you're being a massive troll (posting crap in a fan club). However if in the proper place and with a good attitude, disagreements are key to good discussion. EDIT: Now that you've edited your post I realize you are trolling in one of the stupidest topics for you to be doing that in. My post is based on observing trends here with posting. Im a person that tends to aggregate things in my mind and categorize them perhaps more so than the average person. My conclusion comes mainly from observing the Automated Ban List thread and the threads where the users got banned. Ive noticed a pattern here when people disagree with the majority. Let me illustrate the pattern i've observed here. Someone creates a thread here. Imagine a generic thread where most posts go like this. Oh man that really sucks. or Why did that have to happen. They should [insert opinion here] so this kind of thing wont happen again. If someone comes along and breaks the trend with something like:- This [insert lifeform or organization here] deserved this because [insert reasoning here]. Then what tends to happen is subsequent users turn on this poor sod and eventually the poor sod bites back when one of those users gets a liitle out of line like this:- Its idiots like this that make me [insert melodramatic nonsense here]. You obviously are [insert harsh words of harsh tone here]. You're a moron. What i've seen often is that the user above gets a warning and the user that first countered the trend ends up getting banned,not right away but eventually, ultimately because his efforts derail the thread by inducing emotionally charged responses which do little to discuss the topic. So I say again, if you find yourself in disagreement with 90% of posters in a thread, its better to avoid posting about it. | ||
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AlgoFlash
Canada96 Posts
On September 02 2011 00:29 SarR wrote: My post is based on observing trends here with posting. Im a person that tends to aggregate things in my mind and categorize them perhaps more so than the average person. My conclusion comes mainly from observing the Automated Ban List thread and the threads where the users got banned. Ive noticed a pattern here when people disagree with the majority. Let me illustrate the pattern i've observed here. (1) Someone creates a thread here. Imagine a generic thread where most posts go like this. or If someone comes along and breaks the trend with something like:- Then what tends to happen is subsequent users turn on this poor sod and eventually the poor sod bites back when one of those users gets a liitle out of line like this:- What i've seen often is that the user above gets a warning and the user that first countered the trend ends up getting banned, ultimately because his efforts derail the thread by inducing emotionally charged responses which do little to discuss the topic. So I say again, if you find yourself in disagreement with 90% of posters in a thread, its better to avoid posting about it. I thinlk that a better advice is: always show a constructed opinion with facts as evidences. Nobody cares if you prefer red or blue, and in a good thread it will get you banned. | ||
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SarR
476 Posts
On September 02 2011 00:38 AlgoFlash wrote: I thinlk that a better advice is: always show a constructed opinion with facts as evidences. Nobody cares if you prefer red or blue, and in a good thread it will get you banned. Problem is that cognitive bias influences their responses and they counter with their own 'facts', which is constructed under the influence of said cognitive bias. This leads to a never ending "back and forth" which a moderator eventually ends. | ||
Chill
Calgary25980 Posts
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
So as Emporio suggested, it's a good idea not to start posting a ton if you have no experience. As is obvious, TL isn't like most other forums. Never EVER martyr in any way whatsoever (even if you don't mean it in a martyrish way, just saying you "might be temp banned for this" will get you temp banned as far as I know). It's also important to know your place in the community, and know that although Rekrul (or any other well-respected veteran for that matter) might get away with calling people (IdrA, specifically, in 2007  ) names doesn't mean you can. Basically says this in the 10 commandments.I'm not sure what else I can say that hasn't already been said... If you use common sense it should be pretty easy to not get banned or rejected, though sometimes one can find that common sense isn't all too common on the internet. Reading the ABL (Automated Ban List) will help a bit with understanding what works on TL and what doesn't. Take note of when banned user was registered, post count etc.. A user with 10k posts that's been here since '05 might not get as quickly banned as Mr. SCV with 13 posts who registered a week ago. | ||
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Avius
Iraq1796 Posts
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
Chill. | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
Don't bring up SC2 vs BW. Anywhere. | ||
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
On September 02 2011 00:29 SarR wrote: My post is based on observing trends here with posting. Im a person that tends to aggregate things in my mind and categorize them perhaps more so than the average person. My conclusion comes mainly from observing the Automated Ban List thread and the threads where the users got banned. Ive noticed a pattern here when people disagree with the majority. Let me illustrate the pattern i've observed here. Someone creates a thread here. Imagine a generic thread where most posts go like this. or If someone comes along and breaks the trend with something like:- Then what tends to happen is subsequent users turn on this poor sod and eventually the poor sod bites back when one of those users gets a liitle out of line like this:- What i've seen often is that the user above gets a warning and the user that first countered the trend ends up getting banned,not right away but eventually, ultimately because his efforts derail the thread by inducing emotionally charged responses which do little to discuss the topic. So I say again, if you find yourself in disagreement with 90% of posters in a thread, its better to avoid posting about it. If you go to any "police beats man" thread, you'll find that this is entirely untrue. Most of those threads are riddled with "fuck the cops" "oh god america police state" "nazis??" stuff like that. Usually not a person will stick up for the police, but I tend to. Obviously if it was just straight up brutality or w/e I'm not going to condone it, but when some sensationalist article comes out with absolutely zero details other than like...5 lines saying "guy in so and so town gets shot by three police" and nothing about why or what happened and stuff, I'm going to give the police the BOTD until details come out. I know of three threads where I've been the vocal minority, on this specific issue, and never gotten banned for it. As long as you're not doing it just to troll "Hey [thread topic] is fucking dumb because they do [this] and that's just not right" and you're actually supporting a counter argument with some meaning, then you'll be fine. | ||
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BroOd
Austin10831 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
Don't fuck with pros. Don't fuck with forum veterans. don't bring up unecessary arguments(like SC2 vs BW) On September 02 2011 01:03 BroOd wrote: Just remember that the names you see on the forums are actually real people somewhere. Treat them with the same respect you'd give someone if you were meeting them irl for the first time. This,but you will learn to understand this once you either meet them in real life or talk to them in Vent/TS | ||
Daigomi
South Africa4316 Posts
On September 02 2011 00:43 SarR wrote: Problem is that cognitive bias influences their responses and they counter with their own 'facts', which is constructed under the influence of said cognitive bias. This leads to a never ending "back and forth" which a moderator eventually ends. Well, it depends on a few things, including how convincing your arguments are. It's easy to say that the only reason people don't agree with you is because they are biased to look for evidence confirming their own opinions when in actual fact you're just not providing a convincing argument. Also, it's not as if you yourself is not influenced by the same bias. As someone who gets involved in way too many debates, my advice would be: 1. You are very rarely 100% right, so accept it when you are wrong and make a point of mentioning it, even if it's on a minor point. Doing so will not only allow the debate to progress more quickly, it will also force you to reexamine your own position occasionally. Also, the person debating with you will be more likely to concede when they are wrong if they see you doing the same thing. 2. Be specific when you disagree with someone. Tell them specifically what they said that you don't agree with and give clear reasons why you disagree. 3. If you can't debate without throwing in personal insults, don't debate at all. Once people start flaming, the debate goes down hill very quickly. If you absolutely have to, call someone's ideas dumb, not the person. 4. Know when to let it go. This goes along with what you said. Sometimes a debate just doesn't make progress and you have to let it go (or take it to PM) before a mod steps in. Also, don't try to get the last word in when you feel a debate has reached its end. Just say "This isn't going anywhere, so lets agree to disagree," or something like that. In the end, the purpose of any debate should be to find the truth, not to show that you are right. That doesn't mean you shouldn't argue your own opinion, but you should do it without relying on rhetorical tricks or being disingenuous. No mod will ever ban you if you debate honestly. | ||
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suxN
Finland1167 Posts
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SnetteL
Belgium473 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
edit: wow I even managed to F that one up. gg. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
On September 02 2011 01:08 Torenhire wrote: No one liners edit: wow I even managed to F that one up. gg. exactly,one liners are ok unless they are completely useless,pointless,baseless,etc. | ||
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Archas
United States6531 Posts
On September 02 2011 01:07 SnetteL wrote: Religion is something that can be discussed wherever you want, whenever you want. Don't be shy and hold back just because it seems you're going off topic. Oh come on, don't be corrupting the newbies with such terrible ideas.  | ||
Ares[Effort]
DEMACIA6550 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/replay/ | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
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phiinix
United States1169 Posts
-The TL community is about growing, and is not your average game forum. If someone doesn't agree with you, or make an obviously flawed statement (like saying there are 300 gm spots instead of 200 in a region), there's no reason to flame all over them. (LOL DO YOU EVEN PLAY?) Likewise, admit to your faults. A simple "my bad, you may be right" does great things. | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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Jombozeus
China1014 Posts
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Kinetik_Inferno
United States1431 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/HUdPn.jpg) | ||
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nemo14
United States425 Posts
On September 02 2011 01:07 SnetteL wrote: Religion is something that can be discussed wherever you want, whenever you want. Don't be shy and hold back just because it seems you're going off topic. So YOU'RE the source! New posters: Don't tell new posters what to do until you have at least 347 posts. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
Also, put big pictures under spoilers. (same goes with quoted youtube videos or pictures) | ||
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Archas
United States6531 Posts
Basically, don't be this guy until you've invested your time and efforts into helping TL. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
In very broad terms: put some effort into your posts and be a nice guy. | ||
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Azzur
Australia6259 Posts
I would expect newbies to not post as well and have some closed threads or fail in searching at the start. Even though it may be a little annoying to forum regulars, I think that's fine as they can slowly improve after a few threads get closed. I feel the most important thing is to just post politely to other people. | ||
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Serejai
6007 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
On September 02 2011 01:03 BroOd wrote: Just remember that the names you see on the forums are actually real people somewhere. Treat them with the same respect you'd give someone if you were meeting them irl for the first time. This is one of the things I have the most trouble with online. Guess I just need to keep it in mind more consciously. Sometimes I'll be less-than-polite to someone on the internet, but then meet them IRL and realize they're just another normal person and I wouldn't dream of being anything but nice. It's always a little awkward at events when people walk up like "Hey you're orb, you banned me from your stream chat and called me a retard." Lollllllllllll | ||
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Thegilaboy
United States2018 Posts
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SgtCoDFish
United Kingdom1520 Posts
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stenole
Norway868 Posts
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Antoine
United States7481 Posts
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LoCaD
Germany1634 Posts
I wouldnt start posting Threads immidiatly only Contribute to existing Threads. Thats what I did and I am still alive got Temp banned once though for going off on an Anti Terran Rant once during a ridiculous Game I understand and feel ashamed for it. | ||
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Arisen
United States2382 Posts
"I'm only platinum, but...." Don't post in the BW section about how you're excited that a team breaking up means more players for SC2 or how you can't wait till Jaedong or Flash switches over. That's their forum for their game, don't ruin it for them. Don't flame hosts of community shows (Inside the Game, State of the Game, Lo3, WoC, etc); you look like a jackass. Don't assume you're right and everyone else is wrong; explain your perspective and why you don't think the other idea is valid. If you're posting about something, include replays. Be detailed Respect you TL elders (especially staff/mods/pros) Don't shit on pro/semi pro players; A big problem is so many people shit on pro players all the time because it makes them feel cool, but then pro players don't want to contribute (ie, almost no professional players post in the strat forum any more) It's you, not the game; Stop talking about balance and game design If you're having a bad day, look in the blog section, I'm sure you'll find a nice girl blog that will make you laugh for hours and take all your troubles away. This isn't 4chan, don't post you're memes as a response to a thread Ummm...more stuff.... DOn't be stupid....I don't know, I can't think any more, but yeah, don't be stupid and you'll be fine. | ||
tofucake
Hyrule19031 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25980 Posts
On September 02 2011 02:10 Antoine wrote: Don't ask if you should do something that you think would benefit the community. Just do it! This is good advice. The answer to "Should I do something" is always going to be yes, since it doesn't cost the replier anything to basically get free content. So just skip the step of asking and do it. | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
If you do wish to publish your masterpiece, CTRL C it first or it might be gone forever when the site logs you out or w/e. Milkis is in denial of his true identity. | ||
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SarR
476 Posts
On September 02 2011 01:54 Serejai wrote: I'll probably get warned for this post but don't martyr yourself! User was warned for this post This post was pure genius. Advising potential new users against something while simultaneously showing its consequence. This made my day. | ||
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Kinetik_Inferno
United States1431 Posts
On September 02 2011 03:24 SarR wrote: This post was pure genius. Advising potential new users against something while simultaneously showing its consequence. This made my day. Genius, but I also laughed too! | ||
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
On September 02 2011 03:24 SarR wrote: This post was pure genius. Advising potential new users against something while simultaneously showing its consequence. This made my day. Aahahaha oh my god I can't believe how awesome that post is. Cannot be appropriately expressed by words. This thread is looking pretty great so far, I think in addition to the 10 commandments it will really help new users get accustomed to TL | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37021 Posts
On September 02 2011 03:31 marttorn wrote: Aahahaha oh my god I can't believe how awesome that post is. Cannot be appropriately expressed by words. Lol, Serejai you are a genius. Be a smart poster like Serejai. Question: Did Serejai do that intentionally? | ||
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Lexpar
1813 Posts
Spell check your post before you click post! I'm bad at this. I write long posts, immediately post them, then edit them 2-3 times as a find spelling mistakes or bummed up phrases. Just do the spell check! Read and value everyone's opinion. People with 4 posts have insightful things to say, people with 3000+ posts can still be idiots. Don't be afraid to PM any of the mods/staff if you have a question or a problem. They are much nicer in 1:1 conversations than they might look when they are banning people. | ||
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
-If you get a warning, don't argue with the mod who issued it. Edit: Use the search bar before making a thread to see if there is a similar thread and don't make a thread with 1 line. | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On a more serious note, before making posts click the "preview" button and read your post, half the time I do that, I catch stupid mistakes or stuff that could be misinterpreted. Read the spoiler boxes at the top of threads, and at least the first 10 pages of a thread before posting, chances are if the thread is 89 pages long, whatever you were going to ask/discuss has been talked to death. Don't be afraid to PM people just to tell them a post made you smile or that you thought their arguments were convincing, it costs you nothing and it makes other posters feel better. Plus who *doesn't* like having a shiny yellow "new pm" at the top of their screen? | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On September 02 2011 00:01 Stijx wrote: Read the entire damn thread before you post in it, if you get there late and still want to express your opinion, read it, then post. Don't read the OP, then post your opinion on page 48 because it most likely was said on page 2. (and write some stuff for Liquipedia) edit: And don't write anything like "umad?" or something that makes you look stupid, a lot of people come here to get away from the rest of the internet. On September 02 2011 01:07 BLinD-RawR wrote: Don't know if this was meant to be ironic, but it made me chuckle. :pRead the damn thread before you post. My advice: -Don't Flame other users. I've seen way too many posts get warned/banned that were completely fine, but then the poster added an extra line calling the person he was replying to a "fucking retard" or something similar. There's no need for it, and all it's going to do is get you banned. -This isn't 4chan. Posting stuff like "umad", "+1", "lol", or even just "I agree" isn't contributory. If you don't have anything to add to the discussion, then you don't have to post, just be content to read what others are saying. Two word replies just spam up any actual discussion and makes it harder to read. -Play TL Mafia. It's probably the best thing you could do on this site. :p EDIT: GM, YOU NINJA!  | ||
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Dr.Lettuce
United Kingdom663 Posts
Additionally in real life if someone voices an opinion you take the time to listen and reply if worth it. Don't badgerbait in order to start an argument... I honestly can't understand why people have trouble understand this. | ||
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
Make sure everyone knows your opinion about whether Huk is a Korean or a foreigner. This is a debate of epic proportions, and you'll regret it if you don't take part in it! Every time you close the stream because of a caster, post about it to let everyone know. Remember when you played team games in BW and everyone would say "lag" as soon as there was a bit of lag in the game? The same thing applies on TL when you're watching a stream that lags! If there is a thread about female SC2 players, whether it be a team or a tournament, you MUST complain about it. Typically you accuse the tournament or team manager of being sexist and claim that the players would get no attention if they weren't female. After all, giving a girl the opportunity to play for a professional team is the fastest way to kill ESPORTS! If there's a thread about Destiny, you are required by law to post in it that he's a terrible player and speculate about what his ranking would be without infestors. And finally, remember that the result of a SC2 game should only ever be decided by whichever player clicks the fastest in 20 minutes. If someone ever wins because of their strategy rather than their ability to click super fast in 20 minutes, it is your duty to whine about it here so that one day, tournaments will finally implement that NR20 rule that makes sure the better player always wins. + Show Spoiler + jk | ||
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Harem
United States11390 Posts
On September 02 2011 01:10 BLinD-RawR wrote: exactly,one liners are ok unless they are completely useless,pointless,baseless,etc. Hit the space bar once in a while. | ||
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
On September 02 2011 04:03 iamke55 wrote: Always be complaining about balance. Make sure everyone knows your opinion about whether Huk is a Korean or a foreigner. This is a debate of epic proportions, and you'll regret it if you don't take part in it! Every time you close the stream because of a caster, post about it to let everyone know. Remember when you played team games in BW and everyone would say "lag" as soon as there was a bit of lag in the game? The same thing applies on TL when you're watching a stream that lags! If there is a thread about female SC2 players, whether it be a team or a tournament, you MUST complain about it. Typically you accuse the tournament or team manager of being sexist and claim that the players would get no attention if they weren't female. After all, giving a girl the opportunity to play for a professional team is the fastest way to kill ESPORTS! If there's a thread about Destiny, you are required by law to post in it that he's a terrible player and speculate about what his ranking would be without infestors. And finally, remember that the result of a SC2 game should only ever be decided by whichever player clicks the fastest in 20 minutes. If someone ever wins because of their strategy rather than their ability to click super fast in 20 minutes, it is your duty to whine about it here so that one day, tournaments will finally implement that NR20 rule that makes sure the better player always wins. + Show Spoiler + jk Don't forget to always point out that apm doesn't mean anything, followed by example of pro with low apm to prove it, after all everyone thinks apm is everything and you are the only person ever to realise it isn't so. and make sure to point out to anyone posting in the strat forum a strategy that his strategy will never work because X counters it, or alternatively that it will never work vs good players and therefore is invalid. Never let anyone get away with a blog even remotely suggesting he got a nice life without calling it a bragblog. And always tell people in the tech support forum to get a bigger power supply! more watt is always better, just to be safe. | ||
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~ava
Canada378 Posts
If you're here for another reason and don't know what Brood War/SC2 is about, spend time watching youtube videos or click on one of the "Live Streams" listed on the right before you do any posting. It's pretty integral to Team Liquid that you know what Starcraft is, etc. | ||
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
2) This is not reddit 3) Read your post 2 times before posting it, and think of at least one way that it contributes to the discussion. 4) Don't just start a thread because you're bored. Use the search function, and if it doesn't already exist, and you feel that it would contribute to the site either in helpfulness, or entertainment, then proceed in creating a detailed, and easily understandable thread. 5) Please don't just copy/paste links to news articles, and do nothing more than say "Thoughts?" | ||
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DropBear
Australia4351 Posts
- Don't be a dick in stream chat, streamers are not TL mods and have different standards so beware. - Always viciously insult flamewheel's judgement in the Power Rank. | ||
SirJolt
the Dagon Knight4002 Posts
Some of us don't have it in us to make chainmail, post for years with only haikus, enlighten people in strategy, or whatever else, but just about everyone will find thread that's desperately looking for something they know. Don't feel the need to post too often | ||
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
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GrapeD
Canada679 Posts
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Milkis
5003 Posts
On September 02 2011 03:02 Saechiis wrote: Learn to write walls of argumentation and then delete it because the asshole ain't worth it ^^ If you do wish to publish your masterpiece, CTRL C it first or it might be gone forever when the site logs you out or w/e. Milkis is in denial of his true identity. ?????? | ||
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Serejai
6007 Posts
On September 02 2011 05:01 Milkis wrote: ?????? Perfect example of how NOT to post. Shame on you, Kelly. | ||
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Tschis
Brazil1511 Posts
By reading other users you'll eventually get the grip on what kind of content is allowed, when it's allowed and where it's allowed. | ||
Cambium
United States16368 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
Oh yeah, read Team Liquid Pro | ||
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
On September 02 2011 05:19 Probe1 wrote: Not sure what's being discussed today on Team Liquid? Check the Hot Threads page. It's awesome. Oh yeah, read Team Liquid Pro Buy Razer™ products  | ||
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Stijx
United States804 Posts
On September 02 2011 05:25 travis wrote: Show respect or even reverence to people with colored names. Good Tip Master! | ||
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Demonace34
United States2493 Posts
On September 02 2011 04:15 nttea wrote: Don't forget to always point out that apm doesn't mean anything, followed by example of pro with low apm to prove it, after all everyone thinks apm is everything and you are the only person ever to realise it isn't so. and make sure to point out to anyone posting in the strat forum a strategy that his strategy will never work because X counters it, or alternatively that it will never work vs good players and therefore is invalid. Never let anyone get away with a blog even remotely suggesting he got a nice life without calling it a bragblog. And always tell people in the tech support forum to get a bigger power supply! more watt is always better, just to be safe. Also, since SjoW doesn't scout early game no one else should. Always post inb4close to increase post count, even in threads with good discussion. + Show Spoiler + Also, joking. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
curse you probe1 stealing my tips | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
Many have been warned already | ||
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lSasquatchl
United States309 Posts
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echO [W]
United States1495 Posts
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PenguinWithNuke
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
On September 02 2011 05:57 PenguinWithNuke wrote: Be kind. Don't flame people. Let moderators deal with trolls/idiots/flamers/etc. They're really good at doing that. Another good point: Don't be a backseat mod. It makes you look like stupid, telling a mod what do to basically. Stuff like "ooh he should be banned" or "why isn't he banned??" is ill-advised, especially when coming from new users. | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
On September 01 2011 23:41 Emporio wrote: Don't post for about two weeks. QFT. Lurking is an art-form that is sorely missing now-a-day. Liquipedia is the greatest invention since the slice-bread - use it often; useful it wisely. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
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Insane
United States4991 Posts
Read the OP (yes, every single word. If it was long and confusing, read it again after you just read it, to make sure you didn't miss something; if you don't care enough to do this, then you shouldn't be posting). If the topic is less than 10 pages or so, read every single page and every single post. If it's a super long topic, then read the first 5 pages, and the last 5-10 pages (nobody is seriously going to read every page of a 400 page thread if they haven't been following it merely to join the discussion ).After you write your post, read the whole thing to yourself. Are you contributing something to the thread that, had someone else written it, you'd feel made the thread more useful/a better place? If not, just delete the thing and move on. I have 4100ish posts, but I must've started writing like 15000+ . | ||
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Golden Ghost
Netherlands1041 Posts
For example how many people know about the Article section? Or the Featured threads? Start with visiting this link (the general forum) and replace the 1 on the end with a higher number as you go on. Who knows where it will take you. Perhaps by some fluke or error you can even access the secret "Men in Red" staff forum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=1 | ||
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AnxiousHippo
Australia1451 Posts
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
"Will i get warned/temped/banned for this post I am making?" If the answer is anything except no, don't post (Especially if you are one of those people who think the mods ban for nothing, don't post at all). | ||
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ChinaLifeXXL
United States365 Posts
To, you know, get any anxiety or butterflies out of the way so you can feel free to contribute with a clear conscience :X | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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Drolla
United Kingdom389 Posts
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United States1053 Posts
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bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
+ + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/GpYRH.jpg) | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22253 Posts
And if you don't give a shit what gum you chew... On September 01 2011 23:41 Emporio wrote: Don't post for about two weeks. In all seriousness, this is good advice. More specifically, lurk and learn the culture before barging right in. I've always liked Manifesto's analogy of being invited into someone's house... you're going to tread the waters lightly before you figure out how things work, that's how it should be here. | ||
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RabidSeagull
United States220 Posts
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insaneMicro
Germany761 Posts
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Falling
Canada11349 Posts
On September 02 2011 06:03 Primadog wrote: QFT. Lurking is an art-form that is sorely missing now-a-day. Liquipedia is the greatest invention since the slice-bread - use it often; useful it wisely. I cannot emphasize this enough. (Maybe because I am a chronic lurker... +1 years of lurking before I get involved in forums.) But seriously, there's been a few perhaps well-meaning posters that got shut down because they had absolutely no clue about the culture of TL and TL's standards. As a result they formed a negative opinion of TL because they felt they were behaving appropriately. A couple threads got opened like this : Confused about rules and community, but because they had already been 'hurt' they couldn't be reasoned with. Whereas, if they had spent a couple weeks or even a month or two getting a feel for what's considered acceptable and not (ban lists are good places to hang out.), the entire issue could have been avoided. This is the value I see in TL's high standards and why I continue to hang out in TL: a lot of people come here to get away from the rest of the internet But when new people jump in and post without gauging the audience, they are met by our first lines of defence and wonder how TL is such a community when they seem so hostile. The problem is the newbie's entrance. TL's defences are there for a reason else we would've been swarmed a long time ago. (Chill's aching bones meme comes to mind.) Also, everyone should know who is Boxer and the meaning of Taek-Bang Leessang. And maybe a few other greats. Know your history and your elders and appreciate it/them! | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On September 02 2011 00:10 sixfour wrote: This works, although I'd say maybe 5% of users actually read the entirety of an OP at the moment so having people read the whole thread is somewhat optimistic. Yeah, I unfortunately don't like reading an entire thread which would take a few hours, plus the thread also expands in that time. So I might start reading when it's 48-pages long but by the time I'm done it might be over 100... | ||
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ggofthejungle
Romania392 Posts
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Canada13389 Posts
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Zim23
United States1681 Posts
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Falling
Canada11349 Posts
On September 02 2011 02:09 stenole wrote: Make posts that you yourself would haved enjoyed reading about. And if you are bold enough to make a new thread, make sure you babysit and nurture it. Update the OP if needed. On September 02 2011 04:23 RoosterSamurai wrote: 4) Don't just start a thread because you're bored. Use the search function, and if it doesn't already exist, and you feel that it would contribute to the site either in helpfulness, or entertainment, then proceed in creating a detailed, and easily understandable thread. 5) Please don't just copy/paste links to news articles, and do nothing more than say "Thoughts?" This is one of the big hang-ups for a newbie to TL I feel. They should be able to pick it up if they lurk, but warnings and rules are going up all over the place. However, one thing that may not be entirely obvious to a newbie is that creating a new thread on TL is a very big deal. Perhaps a bigger deal then the 10 Commandments would suggest. It's kinda here: 4. THOU SHALL CONTRIBUTE TO THE SITE Contribute to the site. Everyone should pitch in. Some people contribute by being helpful when someone posts a question. Some people contribute by writing interesting posts that stimulate discussion or by uploading relevant and useful facts and information. Some people contribute by posting news from the gaming world. Others contribute by providing resources allowing us all to enjoy this game. Still others contribute by simply making everyone laugh. Contribution can take many forms and there's no single prescribed way to go about it. But, like good micro, we know it when we see it. Many contributors will have stars or special icons by their name. It's not a license to do anything they want, but good contributors will always get favorable treatment. For you this means, when you create a new thread, make sure to include content worth discussing in it. A link or youtube video is not enough. An opening post should set the tone for discussion by being thoughtful and well constructed. We will not hesitate to close threads that don't have enough OP content. But it's kind of buried in the thou shalt contribute. I've had fully formed thread starters that I've permanently set aside because I'm afraid it kinda overlaps with another thread/topic and I don't want to make a redundant thread. Or else, I'm afraid there's not sufficient content and other times I'll sit on a thread idea for a month or so or use it up on a post when someone else creates the topic. I'm probably a little too cautious, but even if one had a healthier sense of caution, I don't think it may be the most intuitive thing the world to the new poster. You come from all sorts of other forums where either the community is small, so anything to talk about is welcomed no matter how lame the op is. Or else forums so large, but with little quality control where thousands of threads are started and are answered by 1-2 posters to a pretty redundant post. In contrast, TL places high value on solid op's with lots of information/ well-written, etc. Before you create a new thread, make sure to use the search function to make sure there isn't already a thread about the topic. This is only covers part of the problem with OP's. Low quality threads even though there is no other thread on the topic is just as much frowned upon. It certain sections *cough* SC2 Strategy *cough* this is heavily emphasized, but I wonder if it should be emphasized even more, like its own section on TL's 10 Commandments. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
Blogs still can't be shit, but they can be a safer place for some things. I know I've used mine a lot for limited interest stuff that might even merit a real thread, but most people won't want cluttering the page. | ||
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Absolutionn
United States512 Posts
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Simple really. Love this thread btw (sticky?). | ||
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Keifru
United States179 Posts
On September 02 2011 02:47 Arisen wrote: This isn't 4chan, don't post you're memes as a response to a thread On September 02 2011 04:23 RoosterSamurai wrote: 1) This is not 4chan This does nothing. Anyone coming from 4chan knows this isn't 4chan; saying it isn't 4chan won't change them. They'll do what they do because its what they want to do; they get warned/banned as a result and life rolls on. Contrary to popular opinion, being a channer doesn't actually reduce intelligence. On September 02 2011 03:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote: -This isn't 4chan. Posting stuff like "umad", "+1", "lol", or even just "I agree" isn't contributory. If you don't have anything to add to the discussion, then you don't have to post, just be content to read what others are saying. Two word replies just spam up any actual discussion and makes it harder to read. -Play TL Mafia. It's probably the best thing you could do on this site. :p +1 is a reddit 'thing'... Most people from 4chan are probably on EpicMafia, as it crops up now and again. Also, bceause TL's forum-style doesn't lend itself well to forum-style mafia games. (and is pretty much why I stopped among other rasins 9_9) On September 02 2011 06:03 Primadog wrote: QFT. Lurking is an art-form that is sorely missing now-a-day. Lurking is inherently anti-town, selfish, and should be policy-lynchabble material. On a less Mafia-like note, its not so much Lurking but reading around and doing a little research. Actually bouncing around will also help tune posts as well, depending on the person. ~~~ Be confident in your posting. It goes miles. Don't...bloody...use...a lot...of...ELLIPSIS...EVER Think, then post. Think THEN post. | ||
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Zim23
United States1681 Posts
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RedJustice
United States1004 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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SonuvBob
Aiur21549 Posts
On September 02 2011 00:45 Chill wrote: Try to be positive Failing that, at least be neutral. On September 02 2011 06:02 marttorn wrote: Another good point: Don't be a backseat mod. It makes you look like stupid, telling a mod what do to basically. Stuff like "ooh he should be banned" or "why isn't he banned??" is ill-advised, especially when coming from new users. The worst part is that these posts take up a lot of space and derail threads. Someone posts a thread, 10 people say "this should be closed", and it's doomed from the beginning. =/ | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
If you're good he gives you gifts. Like Santa. Only a wizard. Nydus Network + Show Spoiler + If you ever find yourself about to mess with R1CH and you aren't an admin just remove /NydusNetwork from that link. You'll see why it's a bad idea. nsfw | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
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shucklesors
Singapore1176 Posts
On September 01 2011 23:41 Emporio wrote: Don't post for about two weeks. 2 months before posting in the BW section imo. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On September 02 2011 15:00 shucklesors wrote: 2 months before posting in the BW section imo. Questions are always good as long as they are good ones and you have searched before. Don't hesitate to ask for help, if you really need it. Same goes with SC2 or any other game. to add: these "minimum requirements" when to post are ridiculous. Just use your fucking brains and you can start posting pretty much immediately. It's not really that hard to read the rules and then think a little before you click the "post" button. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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Sfumato
Italy23 Posts
On September 02 2011 05:03 Serejai wrote: Perfect example of how NOT to post. Shame on you, Kelly. Wait what? I thought this is clear already, and now I'm totally confused again. Isn't Milkis of MLG different from the Singaporean kellymilkies??? | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
On September 02 2011 15:33 Sfumato wrote: Wait what? I thought this is clear already, and now I'm totally confused again. Isn't Milkis of MLG different from the Singaporean kellymilkies??? Yes they're different. We sometimes still call Milkis by KellyMilkies to annoy him. | ||
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tofucake
Hyrule19031 Posts
On September 02 2011 15:35 Chairman Ray wrote: Always take time to correct other people's posts! | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On September 02 2011 15:34 Chairman Ray wrote: Do not, under any circumstance, ask about your icon So very very true... I'm still cleaning up that shit  | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
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Sprungjeezy
United States1313 Posts
Seriously if people did that I bet the post count/day would drop like 80% and what was left would be pure gold. | ||
intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
On September 02 2011 16:02 Sprungjeezy wrote: If you don't agree with something, ignore it. Yay. Seriously if people did that I bet the post count/day would drop like 80% and what was left would be pure gold. this!! unless it's so outrageously wrong that you think not correcting them would cause more suffering in the world | ||
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laLAlA[uC]
Canada963 Posts
2. Don't insult mods 3. Don't flame needlessly (or at all if you can help it) 4. Don't insult mods 5. RESPECT. Mods are mods for a reason kiddies. ): | ||
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adeezy
United States1428 Posts
2. avoid this caster sucks discussions 3. you can say your opinion, but be respectful 4. no memes, especially "u mad" 5. you can get in arguments too, but be respectful in general : be respectful | ||
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legatus legionis
Netherlands559 Posts
When you see newer people's one liner posts popup frequently you can count the days till their first ban. If you want a lot of people to respond to you, make sure you post something really dumb on the first page. (don't) If you write a long post you have earned the right to create a new thread for your post so more people can read it. (also don't) Read the banlist frequently and learn to love the moderation. It is also good therapy when the weight of the internet is making you feel down. Make paragraphs and learn some Also when you start a new thought pattern like this that is related, you can just have it start on it's own line, you will notice it makes the text much more readable and easy to understand. Using those will HELP to CONVEY your point WELL. (don't do THAT btw, not a lot of people will read it because the person writing wasn't sophisticated enough to place emphasis in his text in a normal manner, what could he possibly say that's worth my time). Write posts because you know some people will read it and be content with what they've read. Make it so they are in agreeance, represent your opinion well because in turn other people will allow you to represent their opinion too. Don't qoute people just to let everyone know you agree, nobody cares and you just clutter adding nothing. Be happy that person posted so well, and when you post know that people will do this with you. If you edit your post, it is common curtesy to add in a clear "Edit:" to indicate what you have changed. This is so you document your original post and people know you haven't added or taken away anything, it makes you seem honest and not act a fool. Usually you would need to point out that you made a mistake. Just do it. no shame no gain. You know you don't know how to spell a word. Don't be a fool and use a tool. Google it. You will actually expand your vocabulary that way and enable yourself to seamlessly integrate words that describe the meaning you are trying to convey perfectly. To demonstrate some of the most common errors (which are homonyms, words that sound the same) one can make or encounter, I suggest reading the picture below. You will forever get annoyed when you encounter other people making these mistakes and the realization that you will forever be victim to this and cannot change it can lead to heavy episodes of depression. Warning: The following picture (uploaded using imgur as per Merlin's request) contains foul and aggressive language. If you don't want to expose yourself to this I recommend not opening the following spoiler. + Show Spoiler [The Picture] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/9ig3Q.jpg) Aspire to become a proposter, I recommend checking out the blog section daily if you are a teenager in High School or you are just jealous of their girl problems son. Never go into a live report thread. Only use the first page as an overview. Once you click on any page thereafter your brain will explode. If you like someone and go to their fanpage. Don't say: "sign me up." It's so worthless, public figures are gonna have many people that like them. You were already one of them. Rather just write a quick post on why, what you like about them so much, what makes them special, what they mean for you. You owe it to them. Don't be selfish. The same applies when you like a more underground stream and post in their thread. Explaining a little bit about their stream, what you like about it is really nice for other people to read and will actually make more people check it out. Writing: "feature this guy please", or "spotlight this" doesn't. There are 20 posts per page, if you write a long post and you want to increase the chances of people reading it, wait and bait. If you fail, you are the second post which is still good. 80% higher response rate using this technique, guaranteed. I would demonstrate this but since there has only been one new post in the time it took to write this, I will refrain from doing so and leave you to explore it on your own. ESPORTS is written in all caps, make sure you aren't hurting it. Alternatively you can post a picture of Elly to show you are a supporter of the movement, pictures are cool. Exhibit A: ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/HawaiianPig/ellyicon.png) Use liquipedia. "Try hard before you die hard" - W. Bruce Edit: re-read the text and realized I had made some grammatical errors. I believe I have managed to fix these mistakes and the text will be more readible for others. Also added in a few little things because I was having so much fun. | ||
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
On September 02 2011 00:48 LittLeD wrote: When you can chill. Chill. I thought "Chill get out!" *duck* My advice is, that TL.net is a forum with quite high "standards". It's no place for (stupid) trolling or Bashing other users/gamers/mods/casters/... or using 7 swear words in a sentence of 10 words or ... So if you thought of doing something like this: Get out (Chill!) | ||
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Mobius_1
United Kingdom2763 Posts
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lovelyrose
Canada160 Posts
oh and if you're having comp problems and posting for help in the tech support forum, be sure to ask before you act. this is a nono | ||
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Manimal_pro
Romania991 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On September 02 2011 19:07 Manimal_pro wrote: don't criticize mods and don't flame The mod staff is very open to criticism assuming it is constructive. For instance, "suck a dick nyovne" isn't going to get you anywhere but "Hey Plexa I don't think this ban was warranted..." is going to take you a lot further. | ||
zatic
Zurich15325 Posts
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
2. Don't talk gamebalance in Live Report threads, or.. In pretty much any other thread that isn't particulary about gamebalance... No, in fact don't talk about gamebalance at all. On September 02 2011 20:05 Plexa wrote: The mod staff is very open to criticism assuming it is constructive. For instance, "suck a dick nyovne" isn't going to get you anywhere but "Hey Plexa I don't think this ban was warranted..." is going to take you a lot further. Hahaha - I remember that guy.. 50 threads in two hours, in different subforums about how Nyovne sucks because he was banned by him. Yeah, that's probably sound advice. | ||
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zatic
Zurich15325 Posts
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
Rofl I read this on your profile before... as somebody who has videos on Youtube and has to deal with some extremely (that's right bold and italic and underline all in one) stupid comments this is so awesome. | ||
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iMAniaC
Norway703 Posts
However, he could have gotten himself banned by martyring or using impolite language, in which case what he said (apart from what got him warned/banned) might have been both appropriate and interesting for the thread, so there are definitely cases where it's okay to reply to a post which lead to a warning or a ban. | ||
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Poland604 Posts
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FaCE_1
Canada6170 Posts
Stay polite in your post Respect the opinion of others don't post one liner (maybe in LR thread it can be accepted but not in strategies) Try to respect "veterans" member, if they are here since 4-5 years, they probably know what they talking about. If you right a big statement, news or opinion, please learn about paragraph. If you have a question, search for the answer before starting a thread. Specially in the strategies forum. | ||
jhNz
Germany2762 Posts
think twice. | ||
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
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Imalengrat
Australia365 Posts
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Wrath 2.1
Germany880 Posts
We are here to share your pain. Also find the gay starcraft player next door <3 | ||
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cYaN
Norway3322 Posts
Explore the site. There's so much cool stuff going on. So much information. Just click on everything. You'll gain the appreciation that way I think. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On September 02 2011 22:29 cYaN wrote: This all reads far too much like a warning label. Explore the site. There's so much cool stuff going on. So much information. Just click on everything. You'll gain the appreciation that way I think. Yeah I'm quite interested to here some non-warning tips as well | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Archas
United States6531 Posts
On September 03 2011 07:41 Torte de Lini wrote: The more you post, the more scrutiny you'll be under. Speaking from experience there, eh, Torte? | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 03 2011 07:42 Aeres wrote: Speaking from experience there, eh, Torte? especially | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Why the **** didnt you make this thread 3 months ago -_- in all seriousness. 1) Dont express that surge of hate you cant explain towards X person. Just call your mum and rage about lindsay sporrer instead of TL. 2) There is much more to this website then SC2 / BW and streams. It is a community that you (given you arent a douche troll) are invited to be a part of, accept that invitation humbly and contribute towards the greatest group of nerdlings that ever existed! And also, check out the threads in sports and games, want a break from sc2? join one of the six million TL communities on other games. | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
Or ask him what's his opinion is about the metagame | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
Don't insult posters, discuss what the topic. Don't theorycraft in the Strategy Forum. This means if you just imagine a strategy that involves unit counters, don't bring it into a discussion thread as the solution for whatever is talked about. Read the stickies in the top of the Forum Index. These will let you know about the basics before posting. Don't martyr yourself. Read mod warnings. And if you have something against mods (Stereotypes OR getting warned/banned once), try reading the Automatic Ban List to see just how hard they work to Protect TeamLiquid from the Scum of the Internet. If a thread shows people disproportionately in support or against an idea, like 95% to 5%, dont be that 5%. It has the potential to massively derail threads and can lead to your ban. This website is one of the most heavily moderated sites Ive ever come across. Its not really a good place to dispute anything because sooner or later words like "faggot" and "moron" starts getting thrown around and when people's feelings get hurt here, the offenders get swiftly dealt with. Part of the appeal of TL is that people with thin skins can feel comfortable here so keep that in mind before you post anything. Don't be the guy to broach personal attacks using words like "f*****" and "moron." You can argue against the common wave in a thread (Back UP what you say, please) but know when the topic has gotten so far off the original discussion topic to stop. Don't mistake good moderation with protection of thin skins. Someone with 200 posts can even get this wrong, as seen already. Be the smart newcomer that realizes mods don't invent grudges for their own personal satisfaction. | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
Oh, and if you lurk a board for a bit, you can oftentimes find out what people are good for listening to there.(Example: I am the LAST person to listen to in Strat. But I don't post there, either.) If you have something that isn't thread-worthy, or that is too low consumption to dig through the potential drivel that would end up being responses to it, just PM those guys. Odds are, they'll appreciate not having to bounce verbal crescent wrenches off of digital skulls in the process of explaining. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On September 03 2011 08:02 Capped wrote: In all seriousness, what is it with people censoring themselves? Seems to be a trend amongst newer posters. Being semi new myself, i am here to ask this question. Why the **** didnt you make this thread 3 months ago -_- in all seriousness. To answer your question, we know that TL is pretty unfriendly or at least is perceived as such by many. It's also pretty hard to use, and so we want to change that. This thread is a part of that effort why now and not earlier? Well. I'm sure you know how Blizzard speed works when it comes to projects. TL speed is marginally faster than that.On September 03 2011 08:47 d(O.o)a wrote: Never ever ever ever ever ever ever cross mani. Hahaha funny story http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=53174 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=53174¤tpage=2#40 This was before I was staff and now me and mani are great friends <3 | ||
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naggerNZ
New Zealand708 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
But talking about how the opponent manhandled everything? That is so much better. | ||
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Wrongspeedy
United States1655 Posts
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On September 03 2011 21:30 Wrongspeedy wrote: Always preview your posts and make sure its something you would want posted. Never browse TL while your upset unless your just looking at the [SFW] Random Pictures thread. This is actually a good one. 4/5 of my warnings were when I was pissed off about something else and I posted some empty snarky comment. | ||
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Macpo
453 Posts
try to listen twice to things you don't want to hear | ||
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Bswhunter
Australia954 Posts
(Also try not to go in threads that discuss women outside of general discussion and blogs, Like ones in SC2 General) | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
And don't make your first post a topic unless it is the most amazing thing to grace this earth (aka Elder Scrolls: Skyrim leaked footage) AND appreciate that you are in one of the most sophisticated video game communities ever look around at all the awesome content people are creating and have a good time here | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
On September 03 2011 07:41 Torte de Lini wrote: The more you post, the more scrutiny you'll be under. indeed. Its a great Idea to read stuff in the blog section,mostly the ones that are not starcraft related,especially blogs written by guys like Snet. | ||
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Thorakh
Netherlands1788 Posts
On September 01 2011 23:41 Emporio wrote: This, basically. Get a feel for what and how other people post. This is the strictest site I've ever been too (if we don't count elitistjerks.com for WoW which is 10x more strict even :p), and that's a good thing.Don't post for about two weeks. Its pimp 1998 design is enough to scare off a lot of the web 2.0 kiddies, but those who remain get to reap the many benefits that TL offers. Well, there is nothing wrong with the design haha, in fact this is one of the best designed websites I've ever been too, everything is nice and clear and easily found. Unlike some 'flashy' websites *cough* MLG *cough*.Can't think of anything that would improve the design of this site. | ||
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ClysmiC
United States2192 Posts
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
On September 03 2011 13:00 Plexa wrote: In all seriousness, what is it with people censoring themselves? Seems to be a trend amongst newer posters. To answer your question, we know that TL is pretty unfriendly or at least is perceived as such by many. It's also pretty hard to use, and so we want to change that. This thread is a part of that effort why now and not earlier? Well. I'm sure you know how Blizzard speed works when it comes to projects. TL speed is marginally faster than that.I was just joking plexa, im not so narrow minded to expect moderators to say "some guy named capped just registered, how to use TL thread, NOW!" And i censored myself because of the last comment, i dont tend to do it normally, hence my two temp bans already... we live and learn.and the "in all seriousness" bit was meant to imply the former comment was bullshit ^_^ | ||
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Diks
Belgium1880 Posts
If you see a very stupid comment in a thread, don't answer to that, let it go, don't derail the discussion in a troll way, let the admin do their jobs. When using images in a thread, rescale them to 560 pix large. If you're making a new thread, take your time to make it interesting and entertaining, provide contents and read twice after writting. Threads are a very important part of TL and the better the content, the better TL is. So please, make awesome threads. That are my advices | ||
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Bippzy
United States1466 Posts
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zeru
8156 Posts
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WritersBlock
Canada91 Posts
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Count9
China10928 Posts
Oh, and don't lie on the strategy forums, though that's for my benefit. | ||
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sertman
United States540 Posts
-Lurk. I normally don't register for forums until I've been browsing them for a couple of months. Observing a community before joining it is the most important thing you can do if you want to be able to fit in nicely with everyone else. You get to see how the moderators enforce the rules, what's considered appropriate/acceptable to post, how people interact and get along with each other, and most importantly, whether you feel like it's a community that's worth your while to join and assimilate into. -Once you do register, post infrequently, but when you do post, contribute! You're starting from scratch with everyone there, and you're going to have to earn a reputation as a quality poster before you can start fucking around. Only post when you feel like you have something new to contribute to an already going discussion, and do so in an informed, respectful manner. People don't know what to expect from you as a new poster. They're like a cop who just pulled you over: they don't know if you're crazy and have a gun until they walk to the window and talk to you. The analogy ends there :D -Don't be afraid to stand up for yourself, but don't start shit. There's a difference between a debate and an argument that we're all too familiar with. Don't even toe that line - keep it conversational, don't be afraid to concede points, and you'll be amazed how people will respect what you have to say once you've proven you know what you're talking about and you don't take the flamebait that's sure to be thrown at you by other forum members. Calling a well-known member of the community an idiot is a good way to sabatoge any reputation you were trying to build. That's all for now, hope it helps :D | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On September 04 2011 00:36 WritersBlock wrote: Best bet is to just avoid posting in general. Aside from showing support in you favorite players fan club or being the op in a thread where you are posting original worthwhile content posting on tl is almost always a waste of time. With tl's current user base threads update so fast that keeping up with them becomes a full time job so posts that aren't the op of the thread can easily go unread(except by mods, mods read everything and ban for nearly as much =p). Liquibet is a fun tool if you like adding a 4fun betting to your starcraft viewing. TL is also an amazing place to find information on tournaments/streams/patch notes and just general good to know information. It certainly doesn't take 2 weeks to learn how not to post on tl as people are implying. Just read the 10 commandments and realize that having an opinion that is different from the moderators will get banned unless you keep it to yourself(for the most part/maybe a bit over exaggerated). This is complete crap and you know it. | ||
thedeadhaji
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
2- Don't just skim through 10 commandments. 3- Just like you, other users also don't like to get offended. You can bash on other people's ideas as long as you have good reasons for that. But you can't bash on other people publicly because you can't have good reasons for that. 4- Do not post just because you feel obliged to posting. | ||
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
-Get the extension/addon that automatically refreshes the tl sidebars -Acquaint yourself with the closed threads section (found bottom left) and learn what *not* to do -Don't "sign" your posts. Your name is already attached to each and every post. ~~xXxGoGoGaDgEtFlOwxXx~~ | ||
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Stijx
United States804 Posts
There's a place for all your opinions... Jumping on the latest hate bandwagon? Take the next stop at the "Rant Thread". Can't believe Idra just left another game? Take a right at his fanclub, and keep going until you hit the Live Report thread. And let's be honest, TvP is just plain imbalanced right? Well there's a hundred-and-one stops for you here, no need to make a new one! You're home! Welcome! Don't mix up the living room and the bathroom. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
The following is a list of the suggestions that have appeared, sorted by the number of times they are mentioned. Plexa, you may want to add this to the OP? I have grouped some very similar ones, and left others out (Sue me if you want ). Top 5 are in bold. Do’s
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Zirith
Canada403 Posts
I have to agree with that guy, so many posts in 10+ page threads are overlooked, there is essentially no point in posting as almost no one will read it, and even less will respond. Even if they do respond you might have to sift through even more pages just to find it. Picture threads, fan clubs, big announcements, and tournament threads are the only things really worth posting in if you care even the slightest bit about getting your stuff read. Edit: I feel like I am posting inside an ever shrinking box, where there are decreasing numbers of wholes with which to deliver my messages. I am claustrophobic. | ||
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GetAtMe
42 Posts
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Sarang
Australia2363 Posts
More importantly, when tallking about sc2 players not named NaDa or BoxeR, do not use the word bonjwa. Ever. | ||
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mufin
United States616 Posts
and make sure to point out to anyone posting in the strat forum a strategy that his strategy will never work because X counters it, or alternatively that it will never work vs good players and therefore is invalid. oh god, this is the exact reason i stopped reading/posting in the strat forum. how about putting together a nice eye candy jpg of all the little tips and hints of how to use TL and make it like the first thing new registers see after filling out their account info. something i wish i had at least when i joined . | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On September 05 2011 12:35 Sarang wrote: You should be posting because you actually want to be a part of the TeamLiquid community, not because you want a high post count or a shiny new icon. More importantly, when tallking about sc2 players not named NaDa or BoxeR, do not use the word bonjwa. Ever. What about if we're discussing NaDa's boxers? | ||
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ElusoryX
Singapore2047 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On September 05 2011 12:42 JingleHell wrote: What about if we're discussing NaDa's boxers? Don't take high post counts too seriously. In order of stop and listen- Admin>Mod/Star Poster/Blue post>Date Registered>Post Count. A lot of people just spam like all hell in live report threads but don't really bring much to the table (/cough me) But for the most part you should listen to everyone. There are a percent that aren't posters you want to emulate but the rest of us are pretty good people. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On September 05 2011 13:15 Probe1 wrote: Don't take high post counts too seriously. In order of stop and listen- Admin>Mod/Star Poster/Blue post>Date Registered>Post Count. A lot of people just spam like all hell in live report threads but don't really bring much to the table (/cough me) But for the most part you should listen to everyone. There are a percent that aren't posters you want to emulate but the rest of us are pretty good people. Im a LR spammer as well and the only reason my post count is big is cuz of that Though My initial love with posting has dwindled (read not 30 a day because I am bored at work) I try to contribute with any posts i do make in important forums such as strategy. Also: remember people have report buttons, you dont because you are new. If something someone posts really upsets you hit the little # in the upsetting post. Copy the url and pm it to an admin and they will take care of it. Refresh first though because they might already be warn/banned when you go to make a pm. | ||
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epikAnglory
United States1120 Posts
-Follow the MOD warnings on top of certain threads e.g. When they say each post must contain a picture in the SFW Random Pic thread, they mean it. -If you aren't Diamond don't post for help in the Strategy section. If you aren't high Diamond or low Master don't post in there either to give advice. They say you can, but fuck it just don't you get banned every time. -We all know 70% of the community never watches replays/VODs, but don't actually say you can't and just get info from other posts and try to sum up a summary of what they say. Never say you are at work/can't watch it. -Don't quote someone and just say nothing, or this, or +1. Just say I agree and repeat his thesis for a free post. -If you want free posts go to LR threads and type OWNED or WOW WTF everytime a battle ends. -No one actually watches your replay packs if you aren't at least Grandmaster, they just comment and say you're good for a post. I feel like making a blog on getting around TL now. | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
-Post with good grammar and English. -Don't flame/argue for the sake of arguing. *cough* general forum *cough* -Don't player bash or caster bash. -If you bullshit you'll probably be called out on it. -10 commandments -Don't troll. -Don't make shit threads. -Don't balance whine. -If someone annoys you (signs posts w/ name, has a lot of !!!!111??/????, or has reading comprehension difficulties) just ignore them. Learned some of these the hard way T_T | ||
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Ryndika
1489 Posts
-Do not use adblock. =) -Don't be negative if possible (even when giving criticism). -Think twice before you post. Then read it twice and think twice again. -Keep open liquibets 0 / 0, it's important -When making thread, not only you should use search function but also think if it should be a blog. -There is teamliquidpro.com | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
Ryndika reminded me of a really stupid question I asked once. The liquibet number on the left is bw. The liquibet number on the right is sc2. (For a very long time I thought 3/12 was 3 out of a total of 12. God I was a nub.) On a serious note though: Try not to spam in LRs. What is considered an okay post is a lot lower than the rest of the forum but you should still try. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
On September 05 2011 13:15 Probe1 wrote: Don't take high post counts too seriously. In order of stop and listen- Admin>Mod/Star Poster/Blue post>Date Registered>Post Count. A lot of people just spam like all hell in live report threads but don't really bring much to the table (/cough me) But for the most part you should listen to everyone. There are a percent that aren't posters you want to emulate but the rest of us are pretty good people. ...just post as long as you're adding to the discussion,and don't insult the other person. when I say adding to discussion I mean something meaningful and most likely new,repeating the same point does not help and quite frankly turns into spam. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10325 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 05 2011 15:05 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: there's a secret nydus network? or was that just a figure of speech xD http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/R1CH/NydusNetwork/ | ||
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kunstderfugue
Mexico375 Posts
a) Open your mind. If you consider another TLer's point of view and try to discover why they think how they do, you might find answers for your own questions, as well as become a reasonable poster who has bases when you argue. b) Get to the bottom. Read the whole thread before posting something! That way you can shape up your opinion bit by bit, post by post and then reduce it into a couple of golden paragraphs. | ||
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SaetZero
United States855 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
If you don't quote anyone, most people will assume you are responding to the OP. You don't need to quote the whole thing, and this gets especially annoying when it's rather long. If you really need to make reference that you're addressing the OP, then just add @OP, or "Addressing the OP" at the top of your post, and if you really need everyone to see you're talking to the OP, at least have the decency to put it in spoilers. :p This always annoyed me, so I might as well add it to the advice thread. | ||
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Keitzer
United States2509 Posts
"YA!" "Well, search it again, because you missed it, three times in a row" And another tip: If the ONLY thing good to say is how much that person sucks at Starcraft (or whatever it is)... either take it to the Letting Off Steam thread or post something on another website + Show Spoiler [*cough*] + 4chan | ||
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
Also read the post if its by SirJolt. =) | ||
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AmericanUmlaut
Germany2577 Posts
I also think it's very important to bring a large dose of humility when you start posting on TL. We're all smart about something, but very, very few of us are as smart about Starcraft as the established members of this community. It's very worthwhile to spend some time thinking before you post anything SC related: Do I 100% know that this is correct? And still to be ready to admit that you're wrong when a more knowledgable member of the community points out the flaws in your thinking. | ||
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
Seriously, I once saw a forum newbie talk about how Destiny and Spanishiwa should be great "bon jwas" (HE PUT A SPACE BETWEEN BON AND JWAS, WHAT THE FUCK?), and he was KILLED verbally by the collective of TL. | ||
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B.I.G.
3251 Posts
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CooDu
Australia899 Posts
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34490 Posts
On September 05 2011 17:40 CooDu wrote: Know that mods = GOD. Except nyovne. He's just a trigger happy fellow with a banhammer. | ||
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elmizzt
United States3309 Posts
On September 05 2011 13:46 epikAnglory wrote: -Don't post memes / jokes in supposedly sad threads e.g. OZ Disbanding. Just pretend to be sad to get a post. -Follow the MOD warnings on top of certain threads e.g. When they say each post must contain a picture in the SFW Random Pic thread, they mean it. -If you aren't Diamond don't post for help in the Strategy section. If you aren't high Diamond or low Master don't post in there either to give advice. They say you can, but fuck it just don't you get banned every time. -We all know 70% of the community never watches replays/VODs, but don't actually say you can't and just get info from other posts and try to sum up a summary of what they say. Never say you are at work/can't watch it. -Don't quote someone and just say nothing, or this, or +1. Just say I agree and repeat his thesis for a free post. -If you want free posts go to LR threads and type OWNED or WOW WTF everytime a battle ends. -No one actually watches your replay packs if you aren't at least Grandmaster, they just comment and say you're good for a post. I feel like making a blog on getting around TL now. Almost every piece of advice you give starts good, but then careens off into inanity. My advice: don't listen to this guy. | ||
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shindigs
United States4795 Posts
TL is also a great place to pick up and learn new things. I always search TL along with Google and Wikipedia. Threads I've found: Cooking Health and Fitness Science help/discussion TL Go Group FPS Servers MineCraft Server Local StarCraft fans There is a world of information in TL | ||
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Matkap
Spain627 Posts
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Hittegods
Stockholm4640 Posts
On September 05 2011 20:13 Matkap wrote: use common sense That's not very common any more =\ | ||
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CooDu
Australia899 Posts
On September 05 2011 18:06 Firebolt145 wrote: Except nyovne. He's just a trigger happy fellow with a banhammer. Haha, he's got the whole LR threads scared though, it's so tame in there right now! Well from what I can see anyway Lol. | ||
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tofucake
Hyrule19031 Posts
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
Be very tolerant in what you read, there are lots of unintentional trolls, and sometimes, you gotta skate over some of the more obnoxious people and read the good stuff. Have just enough common sense or else it's GG NO RE for your account. + Show Spoiler [An A to Z of TeamLiquid] + Always ask Milkis about casting Code A Brood War is an awesome game, if you haven't been exposed to it, watch some games and don't mind the graphics, it's how most of the good people in the forum grew to love pro-gaming Comment on SirJolt's blogs, he is the epitome of a pro-poster Do some community contributions, even LR reports are appreciated, like Moonbear does Elly the ESPORTS Elephant is the advocate of bringing gaming into the mainstream Final Edits are the top tier of articles you can find in Team Liquid, and are placed as Featured Threads when they are made, as they are the epitome of OPs you can have Grudgematches are the best way to bond with people via chat, they often result in hilarious bets as well HawaiianPig is the artist behind some of the most awesome news posts you'll find on the site, and the imagery behind Elly as well, IRC has some awesome conversation happening when you come in most of the time, and a hilarious thread containing the best lines from it also exists as well Jokes here should be spontaneous and original, using tired memes just guarantees you get a warning KwarK's Drake is a good start to asking about EvE, and there is a monstrous EvE thread and a Corporation of TL members you can be part of as well LoL is the MOBA game of choice of most TLers, so go into their subforum to learn about it Mafia is also a popular forum game as well, especially for forum veterans as they also have their own subforum Never assume that you know more than anyone else, there's always someone here who's bound to know certain aspects of your expertise more than you do Obvious trolls and troll traps can be reported if you do not have a report button by Private Messages to the moderators, but Rekrul is not one of them; if you want to know who he is, and ICCUPRaelcun as well, read their names backwards. Power Rank is the monthly ranking of Broodwar Players for their performances, and is an excellent resource in educated yourself on the history of BW players Quiet contribution trumps self-promotion in the forums, people like Roffles owes everyone his Mister dance video, and get him to do it with hazelynut and CaucasianAsian Support TeamLiquid and streamers by clicking on their ads if they interest you. Clickthroughs help make ads more relevant for the site and streamers Teamspeak is a TL sponsor for its Opens, as well as The Little App Factory for the team itself so support them by using their services; and buying them as well U Very few people actually get Forum Stars, but if you want to strive for one, leverage what you do know or have and be very good at it; it can be for something as complicated as SC2Gears, or as demanding on bandwidth as maintaining nevake for the Brood War video archive Writing Teams for BW and SC2 can always use community contributions to help out, even if it's just a team or player feature you are going mad over Xeris, MLGSundance, John the Translator in behalf of GOMTV and many other community event organizers have TL accounts and post official event news on them; be respectful of their contributions to the game, and be open and articulate with any criticism with regards to running their events Your presence and feedback can be the first step towards becoming a productive TL poster Zero would be how many members this site would have if not for your patronage and support. We are a community, and your perception of it is in how your interact. | ||
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