EPTThe Value of ROOT_Destiny in Starcraft 2 - Page 3
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Phenny
Australia1435 Posts
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HuKPOWA
United States1604 Posts
On August 22 2011 14:09 iCanada wrote: You don't even need to market him. o.O Earlier today he had 7k people watching him watching Ret's stream as he tried to adopt his style. Ret Meanwhile only had 2k viewers. Watching Ret's stream while streaming himself with commercials is actually illegal <3 just letting u know <3 | ||
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xAPOCALYPSEx
1418 Posts
Sure, he beat Puzzle and he beat Bomber, but that doesn't mean a whole lot at all when he then loses convincingly to people the previous two would completely steamroll. He is good, but he is inconsistent, which shows through his lack of any major tournament success. People on either side like to say "Oh he beat bomber he is soooooo good" or "oh he loses to deezer he is sooooooooooo bad", but to me he is just your average player. He just gets all of this attention/controversy due to his stream and fanbase. He has the TLPD record I would expect from any regular run of the mill NA masters player (full of both people I know and people who I only see on occasion on a streaming players ladder who probably don't even deserve a TLPD entry to be honest [sorry to be harsh]). I mean just recently he has taken out players that I hold to at the very least a decent player, like TT1 Rain Bomber CatZ Puzzle only to lose to players like (don't get me wrong these players are also probably good, some equal to or better than the ones on the list above maybe): Axslav Edge giX State KawaiiRice So say what you will but the results speak for themselves, and along with his tournament results (or lake thereof) they say he is inconsistent. That being said, I do hope he can find a team he likes and improve more than he already has. Though I'll admit I despise a large part of his fanbase, I find him to be pretty funny and have pretty cool games. (Though I also think he is capable of taking things a little to far with his personality  ) | ||
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OhThatDang
United States4685 Posts
On August 22 2011 14:05 CanucksJC wrote: Destiny is low in marketability / personality? He's one-of-a-kind in that regard imo... that is in terms of professionalism, you wouldnt want (as a company) to be sponsoring a guy yelling whatever he does all day. Thats where the low points come from basically youre thinking, wait people know him a lotta people know him! but on a professional company level you dont want that "image" and to me I believe your biggest arguments are games that have been played on ladder/show match, whereas people are waiting for him to play at lan tournaments and big events to show results under pressure. until then at least | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
I'd say he's probably one of the better Zergs in North America, likely in the top 8 for his race in the region(though admittedly that's not saying much). Do I think he's some big shit, not at all... I'm actually not even a fan of his play but he is a decent player. As for whether he should be on a team, it's just something that doesn't really need to be answered right now. I don't think he needs to be on a team if he can support himself with streaming and find partners to practice with. To my knowledge, he has no problem with either of those things. Should Destiny be on a team? I mean, sure... he's good enough for it. Does he need to be on a team? Not really... | ||
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Firekidt
United States28 Posts
1. Major LAN/Tournament results are a problem for Destiny, but very few players on EG's roster have put out good results in the recent months. Axslav got 4th in IPL, Machine has a lot of 15-20 MLG finishes(not saying much since pool play puts you at 20th automatically), LZgamer hasn't been good since Reapers got nerfed(he plays zerg now?), and Demuslim hasn't even been playing due to a broken hand. Saying Destiny doesn't have decent results is true, but his showmatches show remarkable talent, and i'm sure more people have heard about him defeating Bomber than about Demuslim winning a qualifier for IEM. 2. Potential for improvement is something that is SEVERELY lacking in EG's current roster. Their players have not noticeably grown in skill since the game has been released(they have deteriorated if anything). Destiny on the other hand was a high diamond player a year ago and is now one of the top zergs in NA. 3+4. Marketable? This category is very idiotic in my opinion. There are maybe a handful of players that can be considered marketable, as this comes from either personality or major tournament winnings. Also, having a large fanbase goes hand in hand in marketability, and saying Destiny is any more BM than Idra is simply a lie, as he shows plenty of respect to players in tournaments. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On August 22 2011 14:15 HuKPOWA wrote: Watching Ret's stream while streaming himself with commercials is actually illegal <3 just letting u know <3 It isn't illegal. He didn't show any commircials, and the stream was mostly minimized. He also did commentate overtop; technically it is his own work. It is like those Hitler parodies based off the movie "Downfall," everything in the video is copyrighted, but you can add subtitles and not have it not considered illegal so long as they don't take credit for the stuff they aren't doing. Not to mention liquid players don't do commircials anyway, their TLAF logo is doing ads for em anyway.  | ||
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
As for destiny i think hes probably a 6. Need to remember that hes not at a time in his life where he can drop everything and move to a team house in arizona or korea to practice sc2. He has a huge fanbase but he also isnt very marketable because of his personality. Can you imagine if he was sponsored by gunnar eyewear? That said it is not like there are many 8's and aboves at the moment. Ideally you want somebody that interacts with the community like incontrol but produces results like huk. A jinro tearing through code s would be a 9 or 10. goodmanner, respected by the community and crushing face. | ||
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Nothingtosay
United States875 Posts
EDIT also I don't believe he belongs on a team because the vast majority of his games he wins by spamming infestors. I agree with WHite-ra and Incontrol that the infestor is too good versus protoss. | ||
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BandonBanshee
Canada437 Posts
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Let it Raine
Canada1245 Posts
destiny is lacking a MAJOR TOURNAMENT WIN, beating someone better than you in one round of a tournament =/= being better than that player. Winning/placing highly in major tournaments is what counts and destiny hasn't been able to do that. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On August 22 2011 14:38 Nothingtosay wrote: Before I vote on his skill level give me some relativity I assume Nestea is a 10 but is MKP. Is MKP an 8 or 9? Also who is a one? A masters player or a bottom level pro? EDIT also I don't believe he belongs on a team because the vast majority of his games he wins by spamming infestors. I agree with WHite-ra and Incontrol that the infestor is too good versus protoss. You clearly haven't watched his stream. Saying Destiny wins his games by spamming infestors is like saying Protosses win PvZ lategame by spamming high templar, or Terran just beats P by spamming ghosts, so imba. There is a lot more to his play than just spamming one unit. | ||
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berserkboar
114 Posts
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integrity
United States1014 Posts
On August 22 2011 14:19 Firekidt wrote: I think that's very hypocritical of EG, considering that before they signed Huk and Puma, they were more or less "Idra and company." Axslav, Machine, Lzgamer, and Demuslim, though all great players, would score just as low as Destiny in these categories, except without the large fan bases. 1. Major LAN/Tournament results are a problem for Destiny, but very few players on EG's roster have put out good results in the recent months. Axslav got 4th in IPL, Machine has a lot of 15-20 MLG finishes(not saying much since pool play puts you at 20th automatically), LZgamer hasn't been good since Reapers got nerfed(he plays zerg now?), and Demuslim hasn't even been playing due to a broken hand. Saying Destiny doesn't have decent results is true, but his showmatches show remarkable talent, and i'm sure more people have heard about him defeating Bomber than about Demuslim winning a qualifier for IEM. 2. Potential for improvement is something that is SEVERELY lacking in EG's current roster. Their players have not noticeably grown in skill since the game has been released(they have deteriorated if anything). Destiny on the other hand was a high diamond player a year ago and is now one of the top zergs in NA. 3+4. Marketable? This category is very idiotic in my opinion. There are maybe a handful of players that can be considered marketable, as this comes from either personality or major tournament winnings. Also, having a large fanbase goes hand in hand in marketability, and saying Destiny is any more BM than Idra is simply a lie, as he shows plenty of respect to players in tournaments. why do you get mad at EG when the OPer fishes for a response he knows EG will give him? EG doesn't want him on there team (because in their opinion he is not valuable to their team) it their choice, it's not up to destiny fan's to make EG to sign him. just because you find someone to be valuable doesn't mean they feel the same. and it goes both ways. just because you think half of EG is garbage doesn't mean they do. also destiny fans need to realize destiny could be on a team at the drop of a hat if he truly wanted to be. | ||
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EggYsc2
620 Posts
Strifeco Machine Axlav have no point to be on EG Destiny outstages them by a longshot especially Strifeco | ||
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
Since then, I've been able to figure out that he's a completely average player who mouths off enough to keep people watching his stream. Sure, he's entertaining - but he's more a story, or a television show than a top SC2 pro. It seems he's entirely over rated to me. There are certainly a hundred more players in NA just as talented as he is, and many times that over in Korea, so that he can get threads started about himself as a player seems unwarranted. As a personality, sure it's great that people can get excited about him. Maybe he brings in some people to the scene that wouldn't otherwise have been involved. Maybe he makes regular stream watchers out of people that would only watch a game here or there. That's good, and he's good for the scene... But people definitely over react to him. | ||
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atomic55
United States42 Posts
Secondly, my personal opinion, is that Destiny is EXTREMLY underrated!!! These are my reasons: 1)He has beaten famous players. 2)He was on a profesional team already so has some team experiance (ROOT). 3) He has no real practice partners.. or regiment to speak of. (and hes that good) He basically trains by laddering... which is fine.. but not at the pro levels. Imagine, if you will, how great Destiny would be if he was put on a good team, went to a training house, or went to Korea. I guarantee in a couple month Destiny would be owning shit. All of Destiny's skill is self developed. Hes very talanted and CREATIVE. Which is necessary. Like look at Idra, very strong player, great macro skills.... zero fuckin creativity. (in b4 idra fanboys rage) Destiny has so much fucking potential. Destiny is like....Goku. Goku was shit in DBZ, but after training in hyperbolic chamber, he went super sayen and owned everyone. A team would be Destiny's Hyperbolic Chamber ( or whatever that thing called which lets you train for a year but its only a day) Serously now, Destiny has amazing talent, creativity... and PASSION. Which is hard to find. If a team was only smart enough to pick him up, and give him the training conditions, Destiny will be a contendor at major tournaments. Just my honest opinion on this. Btw dont rage about idra part, hes also one of my fav players too. | ||
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Brotatolol
United States1742 Posts
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Warpath
Canada1242 Posts
While he does use other strategies that aren't infestor centric, you could draw a comparison between things like goody playing bio every once in a while, or FlaSh playing a cheese strat. The players are both considered a mech player and a macro player, respectively. Destiny is an infestor player. That being said, I still think Desiny has improved a lot in the past months and his series over the players like Bomber and Ace are pretty awesome, he definitely has the capability, he just lacks the consistency. His showmatch vs InControl is pretty indicative of this. That is a match where he should have dropped 1 map at most. As far as rating him on a scale of 1-10, I would give him a 5. His potential is there, but he is just performing on ladder mostly, and not in tournaments. People attribute this to his style being public knowledge, but that doesn't stop goody from winning a lot of tournaments and weekly cups. He just needs to refine his strategies where he can still use them in large tournaments and still be competitive despite being metagamed. | ||
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taLbuk
Madagascar1879 Posts
On August 22 2011 14:54 Polskaa wrote: No offence Strifeco Machine Axlav have no point to be on EG Destiny outstages them by a longshot especially Strifeco I fail to see what the adds or how it even adheres to the OP. Unless your reading into a seemingly private conversation the OP has posted. That being said I think everybody is reading into this a bit much, and like EGAlex said ,if he posted a good tournament result it would turn some heads. | ||
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