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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 18 2011 06:55 GMT
#501
That doesn't make sense.

Why would EG want to pick up Destiny? What would the players gain from it? Fans? I don't they're in shortage of anything?

A decent practice partner? They seem rather well-off right now, besides, why can't they practice with him without him being on their team?

Money?

Pft... yeah okay.

No objections to Destiny being on a team, but be a bit realistic, no?
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marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 07:34:34
September 18 2011 07:33 GMT
#502
Basically what Torte said was pretty spot on. EG has no reason to pick him up, and he's kind of unpredictable, BM, known as being unprofessional and he can't perform consistently/well (don't get me wrong, got nothing against him but nonetheless)

In addition, it's been shown that EG isn't really looking to pick up budding talents and help grow them. This is partially why some people give them a lot of shit, considering they took Puma and HuK, two players that both had pretty huge achievements under their belt.

I'm sure Destiny will join some team eventually, if he really wants to be sponsored and get to stuff like MLG etc (maybe even Korea!) easier, and if theres a team willing to take the "risk" of having him on the team.
memes are a dish best served dank
Kairos~
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada129 Posts
September 18 2011 07:39 GMT
#503
Destiny is making money off his stream and is improving steadily... He is adapting new styles and is getting better overall. Why does Destiny need to be on a team at the moment?

There is very few reasons for him to be on a team at the moment and though he eventually will need to if he wants to keep improving like he is, it doesn't really matter right now.
Huge EG Fan Right Here ^
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
September 18 2011 08:21 GMT
#504
I don't see the point in this thread. He had a chance to join Col and turned down their offer. Seems like he decided to go on his own.
There's no S in KT. :P
MagickMan
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia498 Posts
September 18 2011 08:31 GMT
#505
On September 18 2011 15:55 Torte de Lini wrote:
That doesn't make sense.

Why would EG want to pick up Destiny? What would the players gain from it? Fans? I don't they're in shortage of anything?

A decent practice partner? They seem rather well-off right now, besides, why can't they practice with him without him being on their team?

Money?

Pft... yeah okay.

No objections to Destiny being on a team, but be a bit realistic, no?


Why does the post count in the bar where your name is consistently go down?
Egyptian_Head
Profile Joined October 2010
South Africa508 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 08:44:07
September 18 2011 08:42 GMT
#506
Destiny belongs on a team or not.

I would be happy for Destiny to join a team, with one slight proviso. If that team wants the bm to stop or make him anything less than he is now personality wise they can go take a jump.

If so, which team, and why?

Root was the perfect team for him, I don't think there is another team for him. All the teams are going to want to limit how bm he gets and stuff like that which is a pity.

Destiny's overall skill.

Skill in Starcraft 2? He is pretty ok,, mid pro range. He plays an unusual style, so sometimes he will beat excellent players and other times he will lose to mediocre players.


Destiny's place in sc2.

There are enough good players and I like that destiny is pretty good, but what I really he could be a worse player and I would still like his stream. He is the most entertaining pro I think and it has very little to do with his play. Idra rage quits from time to time and may do a one line bm, Destiny? lol he goes all the way




Just watch that game, funny video. Destiny's value to SC2 is that he is not every other pro out there. He is bm, unmarketable to teams (to a certain extent), he has a unique play style as well which helps. Basically he is more entertaining than the other pros, he stands out.
Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
September 18 2011 09:39 GMT
#507
To me Destiny is an entertainer first and foremost and SC2 player second. His style is unique and it looks like it will single handedly get Zerg nerfed in 1.4 as he is to only Zerg i have seen with top class caster control.

His game style is based is based off efficiency, and not the usual throw units at the opposition then remax

He is actually very intelligent and literate along with adult sense of humour which gets him the viewer count and its great fun when he is skyping

This might sound crazy but i think if he switched to Protoss full time i think he would do better in tourneys in the long run,

Should he join another team? i would say no at the moment
PerkyPenguin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States99 Posts
September 19 2011 00:22 GMT
#508
I should hope if he ever joins a team he would not change, he is who he is and this is the reason people watch...why change for someone else?
Stijx
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States804 Posts
September 19 2011 00:52 GMT
#509
The guy makes more money off of being an entertainer than pretty much all of the pros do from just their salaries, so he can practice and have fun with absolutely 0 stress, if he were to join a team it would make his salary subject to his winnings, and that's not exactly a safe way to raise a child...
I think what he does now is a perfect life choice.
RevoNinja
Profile Joined June 2011
United States59 Posts
September 19 2011 00:54 GMT
#510
Lol for most people saying sixjaxseeing as they are now gone. Keep on fighting destiny
"I skipped studying for my final to watch lord if the rings. I shall not pass"
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
September 19 2011 01:05 GMT
#511
Couldn't vote for a team because I couldn't see Destiny on any of those teams. EG doesn't need more fan base, and doesn't need more low-tier players. And he quit complexity, so there's really nothing left.

Until he starts being a pro and not just someone people like, I don't see him progressing any further.
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
September 19 2011 01:22 GMT
#512
On September 18 2011 18:39 Topdoller wrote:
To me Destiny is an entertainer first and foremost and SC2 player second. His style is unique and it looks like it will single handedly get Zerg nerfed in 1.4 as he is to only Zerg i have seen with top class caster control.

His game style is based is based off efficiency, and not the usual throw units at the opposition then remax

He is actually very intelligent and literate along with adult sense of humour which gets him the viewer count and its great fun when he is skyping

This might sound crazy but i think if he switched to Protoss full time i think he would do better in tourneys in the long run,

Should he join another team? i would say no at the moment


your first statement alone is probably the truest thing i've seen on the subject. he is without a doubt an entertainer first.

if he wants to prove otherwise, i would like to see a big tournament win or at least a high finish in a tournament if he wants to be considered legit.

he made some huge improvements when he joined root and i think a team with some practice partners would be good for him, but he has to be willing to put his mind to the task of being a better starcraft player..something i havent seen from his stream since the complexity nonsense.
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
lowercase
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1047 Posts
September 19 2011 01:38 GMT
#513
On September 19 2011 09:52 Stijx wrote:
The guy makes more money off of being an entertainer than pretty much all of the pros do from just their salaries, so he can practice and have fun with absolutely 0 stress, if he were to join a team it would make his salary subject to his winnings, and that's not exactly a safe way to raise a child...
I think what he does now is a perfect life choice.

There's the quote I was looking for.

Destiny is an entertainer - people tune in to his stream because he's the most interesting streamer: he gets excited, curses, and takes crazy gambits. It's fun to watch. These things, however, don't necessarily make him a great player, and his incendiary personality is both a blessing and a curse.

He's good at what he does: fun streaming. But is he a top competitive player? No.
That is not dead which can eternal lie...
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
September 19 2011 01:42 GMT
#514
I can't imagine Destiny playing for teams like EG, Mouz, or even FXO. If coL is too much of a "big corporation" (or whatever his reasoning behind the decision to not play for coL saying it was too big of a company or whatever, ect.), those teams are equally really big teams (mainly EG or Mouz, but also FXO to some extent).

I remember hearing Destiny say that he probably wouldn't go to Korea even if the chance arose (that might have been from an old interview, but I definitely remember him expressing those views). Because of that I don't see him playing for a Korean team; though, if he were to go to Korea I could see him getting picked up. His style is so unique and different that he could help out Korean Zs and also teach Ts and Ps how to best deal with his style. From my understanding, Koreans recognize and are somewhat in awe of Destiny's massive amounts of Infestors.

That leaves us with Liquid and Reign (now that SJ has dissolved). For whatever reason (probably because they've all spent time there at one point or another) Liquid seems like a team whose overall goal is to create a bridge between Korea and the rest of the world. For the same reason that Destiny doesn't want to join a Korean team and live in Korea, I doubt Destiny would really fit in on Liquid (though he is basically sponsored by Liquid since his stream is featured, I know whenever I'm on TL and I see him streaming I tune in at least for a little while).

So the only team that is left is Reign. I feel like if Destiny had wanted to join Reign, he could have (seeing as they already have his former teammates KiWiKaKi and SLush). But the thing is, I don't think Destiny wants to be on a team. He seems content just streaming and playing in 2v2 tournaments with Minigun (he played my friends Destiny/Minigun vs aGGroWeRRa/WookieWeRRa) and be teamless. Leave him alone, and support him by watching his stream.
DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
September 19 2011 01:42 GMT
#515
if i consider high NA master 1/10, MVP/Nestea 10/10, and lets say ThorZaiN 8/10, i give Destiny a 4/10 - pretty much high GM, but not top-notch.
The wins vs top koreans are kind of irrelevant imo, due to his unique style no1 knew at that time. NA server as well obv, and i dont think the koreans cared too much.
In fact, he barely even wins maps in offline events (MLG - totally destroyed in losers round 2-4 2times).
Even online he is in a slump - shoutcraft invitational 0-3 vs -TLO- who after that lost 0-3 to socke...

i do not even know why ppl care so much about destiny tbh oO
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Zanzabarr
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada217 Posts
September 19 2011 01:53 GMT
#516
Destiny is riding the coat tails of the infestor unit, and shouldn't even come close to being considering for tournaments / teams. He's not very good at all.
Animism
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland130 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 01:54:45
September 19 2011 01:54 GMT
#517
I wouldn't call the GSPA a high tier tournament by any standards. I think when Alex talks about high tier he means something like DreamHack/MLG. There are few online tournaments that qualify as a 'high tier tournament'
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
September 19 2011 03:39 GMT
#518
On September 18 2011 18:39 Topdoller wrote:
To me Destiny is an entertainer first and foremost and SC2 player second. His style is unique and it looks like it will single handedly get Zerg nerfed in 1.4 as he is to only Zerg i have seen with top class caster control.

His game style is based is based off efficiency, and not the usual throw units at the opposition then remax

He is actually very intelligent and literate along with adult sense of humour which gets him the viewer count and its great fun when he is skyping

This might sound crazy but i think if he switched to Protoss full time i think he would do better in tourneys in the long run,

Should he join another team? i would say no at the moment



The only Z with top caster control? more like no real pro would go for untested builds like ice fishing..
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
September 19 2011 19:02 GMT
#519
On September 19 2011 10:53 Zanzabarr wrote:
Destiny is riding the coat tails of the infestor unit, and shouldn't even come close to being considering for tournaments / teams. He's not very good at all.

I bet Destiny is going to read your post and after looking at your accomplishments he'll probably just quit StarCraft all together.

He has not had good performances at LAN events and he isn't the best player; but he's still a really good player with a unique style and to say anything like that makes you look really ignorant. When you can play StarCraft at his level then you go and post that, okay?
turkit
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Ireland67 Posts
September 19 2011 19:28 GMT
#520
its just my opinion but i feel being in a team doesn't suit destiny as he is very much his own man, he likes to do things his own way, and from a financial sense why would he need a team when he is one of the biggest draws of any western pro streamer.
don't get me wrong id like to see him on a team as i feel a structured practice enviroment would improve his play but in the end it is his decision
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