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On August 23 2011 22:30 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 20:38 ArhK wrote:On August 23 2011 19:53 iamthedave wrote:On August 23 2011 18:40 ArhK wrote:On August 23 2011 18:30 Silentness wrote:
I don't think he has 7k viewers because of his SC2 skill level... it's because of his personality. People like him as a SC2 entertainer like someone else said before. He's pretty funny to watch sometimes and it's always classic to see him play against Deezer. I wonder what kind of people like to hear "Shut the fuck up FUUCK FUCCCK you FAGGGGOOOT" every 20 seconds. As stated earlier, I enjoy watching and studying his play, but I despise the whole "yeah I curse I am cool motherfucking bitch. You get offended ? Too bad bro' YOU have a problem, you are a dumbfuck nigger sucking dick all day long !". Are Destiny fanboy all immature dumbass feeling like true men when cursing ? I really wonder what makes this kind of communication appealing to people. Pretty obvious you don't watch Destiny. I've watched him every day this week and he hasn't had a single conversation that went along those lines. I don't even think he said the word 'faggot' once. His most common refrains are 'Herp derp', Brohan, Brofestor, and Broach Yes, I watch him daily for a little bit more than 3 weeks actually. I does not provoke any emotionnal outburst like someone previously said to antagonize me, I am the first one to curse excessively when I am with my friends. On a rationnal level, I don"t really get the need to use nigger, and curse excessively, all the time, when you know that your stream is being watched by thousands of nerds. In the end, I don't really care, I tend to mute the stream whenever it is excessively annoying, it is just that I am genuinely curious about what is entertaining about listening to someone curse excessively for hours on end, that is all, it makes no sense to me, and the only rational explanation I come with is that most of his audience must be lowlife borderline retarded and introverted immature nerds, enjoying to listen to someone playing and cursing in a cool way about their favorite game. I am sure it is a pretty short sighted explanation, and I am listening to others regarding the point of the average audience of Destiny. Chill out, I am open to any discussion and am definity not a hater since I watch his stream almost daily and enjoy his playstyle. One last thing, hanging around the ban sentence is pretty funny and silly, you should read again my post. You sir, are a liar!! All this wall of text does not change that. You said previously he swears all the time and a lot and gave us examples while this is not actually happening. And now you insult his viewers based on your own lies. What is your goal here? This post of yours says more about you then anyone else.
I have to agree, there is no real excessive cursing on his stream. Pretty much just the amount you hear from most anybody hanging with their friends, but its never a focus point, just people like ArhK who only see what they want seem to think he just sits around calling people faggots and niggers and they just laugh at that. He really doesn't. Also calling all his viewers immature, low life retards is pretty funny considering what ArhK was complaining about. Really makes him look like a joke.
And again if you watched his stream often you'd see most of the time he just grinds games and only really bms when someone bms him first. 90% of the time he is entirely good manner. The appeal of watching him is he is a funny guy who is excitable and enthusiastic about the game. His stream is super high quality and his play is getting better and better everyday. And yes he doesn't pull too many punches on his stream but that is part of what makes him awesome. He gets happy, he gets frustrated, he gets loud, and he gets estactic when he pulls an awesome comeback, he pretty much puts it all on his stream and watching it with him being so open to the stream makes you feel more connected and personally invested.
I use to hate him a few months ago. I heard all these terrible things about him and believed them. Eventually I decided to watch and almost immediately I couldn't help but like the guy.
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Now that I think about it, Destiny has a good chance if he wanted to, to try to get signed by FnaticMSI. Although atm, I don't think Destiny is interested in any team sponsorship.
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But he is interested in having access to quality practice partners. When he lost to Grubby yesterday first thing he asked him if they would practice together 
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Why didnt he join complexity? Was it because he's not a teamplayer and he would rather go solo?
Anyways he have to join a team/clan whatever if he wants to go on all the big tournaments. SK gaming should pick him up, they got economy to send him to tournaments and they are not really a team in sc2, they are just sponsoring if im not mistaken. Therefore SK is a perfect team for him, imo.
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Destiny has a strong work ethic and impressive results against those who aren't familiar with his style. If he'd commit more time and effort to refining other strategies and transitions, I think he'd have much more success in tournaments, especially against those who have seen his play before.
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People who hate on Destiny are lame.
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On August 23 2011 16:46 shaunyeWEST wrote:
anybody talk smack about my boy destiny getting donkey kong dick slapped in the face
And this is why people think his fans suck
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Destiny is one of the most manner/manly players/people I've ever observed. People often can't handle watching someone being truthful and totally themselves. His mechanics, especially his macro abilities are pretty astounding. His apm is extremely tight and fluid. If he trained with a team (though I don't think he'd want to) he would be a top player eventually.
I've been watching pro Starcraft nonstop since 2001 and never had so much fun or as much respect for a player than him. Truth!
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On August 23 2011 21:47 Sm3agol wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 21:10 MapleLeafSirup wrote:On August 23 2011 18:49 koolaid1990 wrote:On August 23 2011 18:46 ArhK wrote:On August 23 2011 18:45 koolaid1990 wrote:
Destiny is good. But hes good because of infestors. I won't deny destiny is actually sick good and is probably the best infestor user in the world, but when happens when infestors get nerfed? There is a very high chance, as infestors let people destroy players that are better than them. An example is when killer took a game off MC using infestors. d.killer himself stated that he hasn't played in weeks yet he destroyed MC, who practices all day and has top korean mechanics, in the game he won. To prove my point even more, the game after, d.killer didn't play heavy infestors and lost badly. When i watch destiny's stream, he actually falls behind alot sometimes due too poor scouting and such, but still wins in the end due to the efficiency of infestors. Off topic imo, MC just took the worst ever engagement he could have taken on Metalopolis. Not really representative of anything. Protoss and Terran are starting to adjust to it with Feedback / EMP. the thing is, you can't really assume the zerg is going for an infestor build. MC already went robo before he sees infestors, meaning he got them collosus out for a push. He can't suddenly stop collosus and get templar tech or he will be behind. Its kind of a build order loss, if you guess they are going ling infestor, you can blindy go archon/zealot templar and have a higher chance. You know that protoss has great scouting techniques? Of course you can scout if he is going for an infestor play, you can scout it directly with hallucinated phoenix and you can scout his unit composition (no roaches, just lings means ... ?) also colossi are a hard counter to infestor, you don't have to insta-switch to templar, you can stay defensive until you have the critical numbers of colossi which just melt infestors and makes NP useless This is not even remotely close to correct. If the zerg engages correctly, then you will have to focus fire the infestors with your colossi, which lets lings and roaches tear the rest of your army a new one.
and focus firing the infestors takes how long? 0.3 seconds? 0.4 ?
and don't forget that most of the zerg army cannot really engage because of forcefields so your army does not "just die"
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As typical the truth lies somewhere in the middle. He's probably not as good as most of his fans think he is and he's not as bad as the haters say he is. Many people love being extreme / looking at the world as black and white.
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I never really watched his stream because all I ever heard on TL and other sites was, "Blah blah Destiny is so ill-mannered and so racist and blah blah". Then one day there was no other stream of interest up so I put it on and it turned out to be one of the better streams out there. His lessons are quality and his play is great. He's entertaining and IMO better than a lot of the current pro's we've grown to love and follow.
He'll put on a good show at MLG as long as he can hold off early aggression long enough to get out some Infestors.
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Does Destiny really need to be on a team? Why does everyone want him to be on one? He's a good player, but I'm not sure if he's interested in pursuing the path of being on a SC2 team. It's his preference to not be on a team, I'm sure he was interested it at first for the community aspect (ROOT seemed like a very friendly, active team where they talked to each other frequently). When ROOT joined the powerhouse that is Complexity he ended up leaving due to a breach of contract. I'm guessing that when you join such a big team like that you have to have certain rules and things you must do for the team whereas ROOT seemed more like a casual SC2 team. I think he wants to do his own thing. He still is pretty active in the community without being on a team.
I can't see him fitting in with the EG team at all. They seem to practice quite often (with not as much streaming as Destiny) and enter lots of tournaments that require lots of time. Destiny's major source of income comes from streaming and doing random bullshit on his stream that isn't SC2 related. Granted, he does play lots of great SC2 games, but he does other stuff too.
If he did join a team, I would wonder how that would affect his streaming. Would there be less BM, less trolling, less herpity derpity bullshitting? Possibly, but that's the reason why we all love Destiny to begin with, isn't it?
edit: I know that he doesn't BM that much anymore, but he does occasionally do "fun" type stuff that you don't really see other professional players doing.
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On August 23 2011 19:50 EnderSword wrote:
If he's totally awesome and says Nigger all the time because its everyone else's problem and not the white kid's problem, then I hope he does it in real life, while walking around.
He doesn't say it "all the time" online. People assume he does just because he defended the use of the word on SOTG. But thinking something is acceptable doesn't mean you do it. I've watched a ton of Destiny and never heard him say it once except when talking about the word itself. Maybe he's used it in a different context before, but sure as hell not "all the time". I doubt most of the people complaining that he uses the word ITT have actually heard it from his mouth.
He often makes an argument that context is what matters and that's why 'rape' is a metaphor and doesn't matter. But what context is saying nigger meant non-offensively?
You just wrote it in the above quote and 4 times total in your post. Did you mean it offensively?
"Oh well, I didn't mean nigger in a bad way...I'm just like calling you one because like, you're horrible and...nigger are horrible?"
Who did Destiny call a nigger?
But Destiny DOES mean things he says offensively, He's attempting to insult the person he's talking to by calling them names.
For example? Where is your evidence of him trying to offend someone by calling them a nigger? Or are you just leaping to wild assumptions like everyone else?
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On August 24 2011 06:22 puddy wrote:
Does Destiny really need to be on a team? Why does everyone want him to be on one? He's a good player, but I'm not sure if he's interested in pursuing the path of being on a SC2 team. It's his preference to not be on a team, I'm sure he was interested it at first for the community aspect (ROOT seemed like a very friendly, active team where they talked to each other frequently). When ROOT joined the powerhouse that is Complexity he ended up leaving due to a breach of contract. I'm guessing that when you join such a big team like that you have to have certain rules and things you must do for the team whereas ROOT seemed more like a casual SC2 team. I think he wants to do his own thing. He still is pretty active in the community without being on a team.
I can't see him fitting in with the EG team at all. They seem to practice quite often (with not as much streaming as Destiny) and enter lots of tournaments that require lots of time. Destiny's major source of income comes from streaming and doing random bullshit on his stream that isn't SC2 related. Granted, he does play lots of great SC2 games, but he does other stuff too.
If he did join a team, I would wonder how that would affect his streaming. Would there be less BM, less trolling, less herpity derpity bullshitting? Possibly, but that's the reason why we all love Destiny to begin with, isn't it?
edit: I know that he doesn't BM that much anymore, but he does occasionally do "fun" type stuff that you don't really see other professional players doing.
I dont think i'm alone here but i think the vast majority of people (myself included) want to see him on a team so that he can potentially get better at playing against pros in big LANS such as MLG and seeing him rise in the sc community as a formidable force, rather than just beating/trolling people on the ladder, which is extremely entertaining regardless.
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On August 24 2011 12:23 jmsy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 06:22 puddy wrote:
Does Destiny really need to be on a team? Why does everyone want him to be on one? He's a good player, but I'm not sure if he's interested in pursuing the path of being on a SC2 team. It's his preference to not be on a team, I'm sure he was interested it at first for the community aspect (ROOT seemed like a very friendly, active team where they talked to each other frequently). When ROOT joined the powerhouse that is Complexity he ended up leaving due to a breach of contract. I'm guessing that when you join such a big team like that you have to have certain rules and things you must do for the team whereas ROOT seemed more like a casual SC2 team. I think he wants to do his own thing. He still is pretty active in the community without being on a team.
I can't see him fitting in with the EG team at all. They seem to practice quite often (with not as much streaming as Destiny) and enter lots of tournaments that require lots of time. Destiny's major source of income comes from streaming and doing random bullshit on his stream that isn't SC2 related. Granted, he does play lots of great SC2 games, but he does other stuff too.
If he did join a team, I would wonder how that would affect his streaming. Would there be less BM, less trolling, less herpity derpity bullshitting? Possibly, but that's the reason why we all love Destiny to begin with, isn't it?
edit: I know that he doesn't BM that much anymore, but he does occasionally do "fun" type stuff that you don't really see other professional players doing. I dont think i'm alone here but i think the vast majority of people (myself included) want to see him on a team so that he can potentially get better at playing against pros in big LANS such as MLG and seeing him rise in the sc community as a formidable force, rather than just beating/trolling people on the ladder, which is extremely entertaining regardless.
Fair enough... Destiny on the Main Stage at MLG would be pretty epic.
I think that he stated before though that he doesn't think a teamhouse is necessary to get better, but I might be misquoting him (I don't really agree with this though, so I can see your reasoning for him being on a team). He's been playing on the KR ladder so he may be using that as part of his MLG/tournament training. I like the whole independent Destiny feel because it seems very do-it-yourself.
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these wins VS koreans are not successes, not by a long shot. you cant assume that he is as good as bomber or ace just because he beat the in a TWO game series with builds that they have never seem before. also people have to stop giving him credit with things that he did not create (ling infestor play with fast +1 +1 ups was discussed by mr bitter and idra on the two weeks with the pros long before destiny used it and long before the infestor buff) its super annoying
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On August 24 2011 12:57 GypsyBeast wrote:
these wins VS koreans are not successes, not by a long shot. you cant assume that he is as good as bomber or ace just because he beat the in a TWO game series with builds that they have never seem before.
Umm..Yeah you can.
Also, Bomber countered Destinys build well with mass ghosts and GREAT emps, and still wasn't able to take Destiny out because Destiny outplayed him.
I'm sure you can blame the meta game, whatever, whatever. But a win is a win is a win.
Destiny still needs to proove himself to be in the top rank. I think he will one day. He's learning so many new things all the time,constantly tries new things. I was looking at his games a few months ago, and they were nowhere near this level.
Destinys 11 overppool is an old, stolen build he popularized because he thinks it has the same eco. The 11 infestorling build is an old, stolen build he made into his own. Most ideas in this world are stolen, refined and made into new ideas. You're not god, you can't say "let there be ideas" in a world of nothingness, you need to build your new ideas on something and building it on others ideas is a good way.
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I think Destiny can make it on the big stage since hes capable of doing so. People should know he isnt in a team and doesnt have a partner to train with.
Whats the point of people ranting about his mass infestors style when it is just another build order/ strategy? Since hes good and he prefers it, he uses it. Its like telling a Terrran player that hes always playing T and forces him to play P. He just needs to widen his range of strategy that can be used so that he wouldnt be picked on during a competition
Personality-wise, i dont think it will be a factor on whether hes being signed or not. Its not like Destiny insults people in a competition, its perfectly fine to me and he is quite amusing while laddering on stream. IMO, hes the kind of guy who do what he thinks is right and will never give in for doing something against his wishes.
Dont really know about him, but after watching his streams for the past few days and reading all the posts, I think Destiny should be given a chance. He has the ability to do well.
1) Major LAN/Online Tournament Results
2) Work Ethic/Natural Talent/Potential for Improvement
3) Marketability/Personality
4) Established Fan Base
1)If he joins a team and takes part in more competition, then will we know if hes good. But i doubt he has any results to prove to people.
2)Will give him a high rating from his streaming and from the charity stream + his interesting strategy
3)Marketing-wise i think hes average while personality-wise, he isnt that good but will be fine once he mixes well and gets comfortable with his 'new' teammates.
4) An average of 6k views when i visits his steam (not really sure)
EG.Incontrol has noted that he believes, and he is not alone, that the Infestor is a 'broken' or 'imbalanced' unit that allows Destiny to beat someone who is "4-5 times better" than him (EG.HuK). This is like saying Terran who uses ghost against protoss(incontrol) is OP because they can use emp/ nukes and cloak. Unfair and biased.
Last but not least.. IMO, I dont think this thread really requires much discussion since its only about a 'yes' or 'no'. If a teams want him and Destiny is willing to join then i wish him good luck. But i think that will be a tall order since hes a father now.
Cheers, first post at TL
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InControL is not even a great player, I don't know why his opinion deserves to be in there.
User was banned for this post.
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Destiny is a unique player among the community.
He streams a lot, is entertaining, is pretty talented, isn't unreasonable, but most of all he seems like an enjoyable person. Right now usually he just plays games on ladder and show matches, that's fine, but he doesn't atm have a good set of partners for practice. Sure he could probably get some of his CoL friends to practice like CatZ and Minigun, but they have to practice their own stuff too. Take for example EG, if he got acquired by EG, he would have people like PuMa, HuK, IdrA, Demuslim to practice with for 3-4 hours alone. That would be the next big step in his career I think. He likes to have fun which is really important when joining a team, you can;t be really antisocial. his fanbase would also probably support the team more so team gets more reputation. I'm not sure what wouldn't be liked about picking up Destiny, he gets better and a little bit of money from team, team gets another player, and gains a LOT of fans.
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