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On August 23 2011 15:54 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 15:41 Djzapz wrote:On August 23 2011 15:32 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 15:28 Djzapz wrote:On August 23 2011 15:17 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 15:11 Djzapz wrote:On August 23 2011 14:56 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 14:53 Djzapz wrote:On August 23 2011 14:49 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 14:38 Djzapz wrote:
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Well "point 2" is kind of a mess because it includes qualities that are very different between the players. IdrA's work ethics are horrible, for instance.
Regardless, of course IdrA is more valuable than Destiny, I wasn't comparing them - sorry if it looked like I was. IdrA is a superstar.
Teams hire "B-teamers" too. SLush is my favorite players and he's not a star - yet he's employable and an asset to his team. I can look at every team like FXO, mouz, Liquid, etc. - they all have players who aren't expected to win tournaments. Destiny is good enough to put up a good fight and people will get out of their way to watch his games too.
I can't imagine Destiny being a bad addition to a team if he wants to be. Well Slush is alright, he's on about the same level as most people in REIGN. He is part of REIGN's A-team isn't he? Him, Spades, and Kiwi seem to be the main A-teamers and you have B-teamers like Fayth and whoever else. And him and Kiwikaki were the A-team for Root. Obviously Destiny could be a B-teamer on middleish clan if he wanted. My problem is just with the actual creation of this thread and the rage of Destiny fans, as if they actually expected EG or Liquid or a major team like that to want him? Yes, Liquid "kind of" has B-teamers not expected to win tournaments (Haypro and Tyler I guess?) but those people were signed early in the game and have since then become part of the team's identity since its creation. Who has EG picked up lately? Huk and Puma. Who has TL picked up lately? Sheth and Hero. The existence of B-teamers like LZ Gamer on EG doesn't mean EG is going to sign a B-teamer. Well look at coL, they just took all of root... I don't mean to be rude but... you know... btw I just tuned into Destiny's stream in time to watch him blindly mass spinecrawlers and turtle on two base with roach/infestor while roaming around with a burrowed hit squad. The uninspiring play I was talking about earlier that makes me baffled at his fanbase. 9300 people are watching this exact same thing he has been doing on the NA server for months whereas SlayerS_Dragon has 2k viewers and Rainbow has less than 400? I'd much rather see a player who uses infestors properly when the alternatives are not always particularly entertaining. If I want good, high level games, I'll go look up GSL VODs. In that game you saw, he was talking to Kyle and had "Infestor number 9" do a special-ops mission to murder 7 full energy infestors with 2 FG's. It was actually a fairly good match. Well I would rather watch a high level Korean terran like Slayers_Dragon doing a wide variety of entertaining, interesting, and skillful builds against other high level opponents instead of wondering whether or not Destiny's infestors can fungal his opponent's infestors first THIS game, but okay. People are allowed to want to watch Destiny put himself in the same position every game with slight variations on micro...it just makes no sense to me why people become rabid fanboys over that play. Well here's the thing, I can watch VODs of better players than Dragon play anytime I want but I can't always watch Destiny's show. (which, frankly, I watch half the time and it's background noise and lulz for the other half) As for his strategy which you dislike, I think the variations are important enough that it ends up being pretty varied. The average IdrA game is more monotonous and standard than this. TvT's in general are unbearably boring when compared to this. I've seen "standard" a billion times from a bunch of players. This is different on many levels. I don't watch all day though. There's no point in me arguing about your personal preference (even though it's tempting because I argue about anything). The entire time I've been posting I've been baffled by the cult-like following that seems to think he's a top player and bashing EG for underrating him. He's like a much less accomplished zerg WhiteRa but even WhiteRa seems to have less viewers and rabid fanboys? Not like I care whether or not you want to watch Destiny play while acknowledging that he's not god's gift to SC2. Well, I consider myself to be a fan of Destiny. Not a "fanboy", I guess, because I think I'm sane, but I certainly have been "defending him" here even though I need to go to bed (which I'm going to do after I finish writing this post). I would do the same thing if people spoke ill of Idra, Naniwa, Sheth, Tyler or any one of the players I particularly like. I guess I kind of take it personally because you seem to have a pretty negative opinion of his playstyle and especially of his viewer-base. Maybe I shouldn't bother, but that's me - I'm a carebear and I don't get you. Also comparing Destiny and Whitera doesn't quite make sense to me. They're not in the same league at all and their personalities are almost opposites. The only thing I can think about is the "special tactics" which are basically a show. There are grounds to criticize Destiny's fanboys though, I'll give you that - and I'm certain he would give you that too. Entertainers all have a few drooling idiots under their wings. I'll check back here tomorrow but it'll probably be old news by then. Good night. I just think Destiny is a boring and fairly gimmicky player. Making infestors isn't a gimmick but the way he plays is. Blindly throw down spine crawlers, turtling with infestors, barely ever attempting to scout except with burrowed infestors, etc. There seems to be no attempt to actually try and figure things out on a deep level, just "pimpest play" your way through the game. When someone like IdrA talks about his play you go "oh, so he made exactly 13 drones at this timing for that exact reason. While he might be getting a bit better at "pimpest playing" his way through a situation he will never be a Ret. I compare Destiny to much less accomplished WhiteRa because both are known for breaking the norms of their race with "special tactics" and because of their personalities attracting a lot of followers even if they are polar opposites.
wait. did you seriously compare destiny to white-ra? one of the oldest and most respected bw players....
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On August 23 2011 15:58 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 15:54 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 15:41 Djzapz wrote:On August 23 2011 15:32 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 15:28 Djzapz wrote:On August 23 2011 15:17 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 15:11 Djzapz wrote:On August 23 2011 14:56 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 14:53 Djzapz wrote:On August 23 2011 14:49 Heavenly wrote:
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Well Slush is alright, he's on about the same level as most people in REIGN. He is part of REIGN's A-team isn't he? Him, Spades, and Kiwi seem to be the main A-teamers and you have B-teamers like Fayth and whoever else. And him and Kiwikaki were the A-team for Root. Obviously Destiny could be a B-teamer on middleish clan if he wanted. My problem is just with the actual creation of this thread and the rage of Destiny fans, as if they actually expected EG or Liquid or a major team like that to want him? Yes, Liquid "kind of" has B-teamers not expected to win tournaments (Haypro and Tyler I guess?) but those people were signed early in the game and have since then become part of the team's identity since its creation. Who has EG picked up lately? Huk and Puma. Who has TL picked up lately? Sheth and Hero. The existence of B-teamers like LZ Gamer on EG doesn't mean EG is going to sign a B-teamer. Well look at coL, they just took all of root... I don't mean to be rude but... you know... btw I just tuned into Destiny's stream in time to watch him blindly mass spinecrawlers and turtle on two base with roach/infestor while roaming around with a burrowed hit squad. The uninspiring play I was talking about earlier that makes me baffled at his fanbase. 9300 people are watching this exact same thing he has been doing on the NA server for months whereas SlayerS_Dragon has 2k viewers and Rainbow has less than 400? I'd much rather see a player who uses infestors properly when the alternatives are not always particularly entertaining. If I want good, high level games, I'll go look up GSL VODs. In that game you saw, he was talking to Kyle and had "Infestor number 9" do a special-ops mission to murder 7 full energy infestors with 2 FG's. It was actually a fairly good match. Well I would rather watch a high level Korean terran like Slayers_Dragon doing a wide variety of entertaining, interesting, and skillful builds against other high level opponents instead of wondering whether or not Destiny's infestors can fungal his opponent's infestors first THIS game, but okay. People are allowed to want to watch Destiny put himself in the same position every game with slight variations on micro...it just makes no sense to me why people become rabid fanboys over that play. Well here's the thing, I can watch VODs of better players than Dragon play anytime I want but I can't always watch Destiny's show. (which, frankly, I watch half the time and it's background noise and lulz for the other half) As for his strategy which you dislike, I think the variations are important enough that it ends up being pretty varied. The average IdrA game is more monotonous and standard than this. TvT's in general are unbearably boring when compared to this. I've seen "standard" a billion times from a bunch of players. This is different on many levels. I don't watch all day though. There's no point in me arguing about your personal preference (even though it's tempting because I argue about anything). The entire time I've been posting I've been baffled by the cult-like following that seems to think he's a top player and bashing EG for underrating him. He's like a much less accomplished zerg WhiteRa but even WhiteRa seems to have less viewers and rabid fanboys? Not like I care whether or not you want to watch Destiny play while acknowledging that he's not god's gift to SC2. Well, I consider myself to be a fan of Destiny. Not a "fanboy", I guess, because I think I'm sane, but I certainly have been "defending him" here even though I need to go to bed (which I'm going to do after I finish writing this post). I would do the same thing if people spoke ill of Idra, Naniwa, Sheth, Tyler or any one of the players I particularly like. I guess I kind of take it personally because you seem to have a pretty negative opinion of his playstyle and especially of his viewer-base. Maybe I shouldn't bother, but that's me - I'm a carebear and I don't get you. Also comparing Destiny and Whitera doesn't quite make sense to me. They're not in the same league at all and their personalities are almost opposites. The only thing I can think about is the "special tactics" which are basically a show. There are grounds to criticize Destiny's fanboys though, I'll give you that - and I'm certain he would give you that too. Entertainers all have a few drooling idiots under their wings. I'll check back here tomorrow but it'll probably be old news by then. Good night. I just think Destiny is a boring and fairly gimmicky player. Making infestors isn't a gimmick but the way he plays is. Blindly throw down spine crawlers, turtling with infestors, barely ever attempting to scout except with burrowed infestors, etc. There seems to be no attempt to actually try and figure things out on a deep level, just "pimpest play" your way through the game. When someone like IdrA talks about his play you go "oh, so he made exactly 13 drones at this timing for that exact reason. While he might be getting a bit better at "pimpest playing" his way through a situation he will never be a Ret. I compare Destiny to much less accomplished WhiteRa because both are known for breaking the norms of their race with "special tactics" and because of their personalities attracting a lot of followers even if they are polar opposites. wait. did you seriously compare destiny to white-ra? one of the oldest and most respected bw players....
Yes? I did it as a throw away comment in regards to fanbase loyalty and how Destiny does many of the things that make WhiteRa such an appealing player, how is that a problem? I was giving a potential reasoning behind why he would have a rabid fanclub by finding comparisons to another famous player with a large fanbase. What's the number of fans that love him for being an old school BW player opposed to the people who love him for his special tactics and funny personality?
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On August 23 2011 16:04 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 15:58 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 23 2011 15:54 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 15:41 Djzapz wrote:On August 23 2011 15:32 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 15:28 Djzapz wrote:On August 23 2011 15:17 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 15:11 Djzapz wrote:On August 23 2011 14:56 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 14:53 Djzapz wrote:
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Well look at coL, they just took all of root... I don't mean to be rude but... you know... btw I just tuned into Destiny's stream in time to watch him blindly mass spinecrawlers and turtle on two base with roach/infestor while roaming around with a burrowed hit squad. The uninspiring play I was talking about earlier that makes me baffled at his fanbase. 9300 people are watching this exact same thing he has been doing on the NA server for months whereas SlayerS_Dragon has 2k viewers and Rainbow has less than 400? I'd much rather see a player who uses infestors properly when the alternatives are not always particularly entertaining. If I want good, high level games, I'll go look up GSL VODs. In that game you saw, he was talking to Kyle and had "Infestor number 9" do a special-ops mission to murder 7 full energy infestors with 2 FG's. It was actually a fairly good match. Well I would rather watch a high level Korean terran like Slayers_Dragon doing a wide variety of entertaining, interesting, and skillful builds against other high level opponents instead of wondering whether or not Destiny's infestors can fungal his opponent's infestors first THIS game, but okay. People are allowed to want to watch Destiny put himself in the same position every game with slight variations on micro...it just makes no sense to me why people become rabid fanboys over that play. Well here's the thing, I can watch VODs of better players than Dragon play anytime I want but I can't always watch Destiny's show. (which, frankly, I watch half the time and it's background noise and lulz for the other half) As for his strategy which you dislike, I think the variations are important enough that it ends up being pretty varied. The average IdrA game is more monotonous and standard than this. TvT's in general are unbearably boring when compared to this. I've seen "standard" a billion times from a bunch of players. This is different on many levels. I don't watch all day though. There's no point in me arguing about your personal preference (even though it's tempting because I argue about anything). The entire time I've been posting I've been baffled by the cult-like following that seems to think he's a top player and bashing EG for underrating him. He's like a much less accomplished zerg WhiteRa but even WhiteRa seems to have less viewers and rabid fanboys? Not like I care whether or not you want to watch Destiny play while acknowledging that he's not god's gift to SC2. Well, I consider myself to be a fan of Destiny. Not a "fanboy", I guess, because I think I'm sane, but I certainly have been "defending him" here even though I need to go to bed (which I'm going to do after I finish writing this post). I would do the same thing if people spoke ill of Idra, Naniwa, Sheth, Tyler or any one of the players I particularly like. I guess I kind of take it personally because you seem to have a pretty negative opinion of his playstyle and especially of his viewer-base. Maybe I shouldn't bother, but that's me - I'm a carebear and I don't get you. Also comparing Destiny and Whitera doesn't quite make sense to me. They're not in the same league at all and their personalities are almost opposites. The only thing I can think about is the "special tactics" which are basically a show. There are grounds to criticize Destiny's fanboys though, I'll give you that - and I'm certain he would give you that too. Entertainers all have a few drooling idiots under their wings. I'll check back here tomorrow but it'll probably be old news by then. Good night. I just think Destiny is a boring and fairly gimmicky player. Making infestors isn't a gimmick but the way he plays is. Blindly throw down spine crawlers, turtling with infestors, barely ever attempting to scout except with burrowed infestors, etc. There seems to be no attempt to actually try and figure things out on a deep level, just "pimpest play" your way through the game. When someone like IdrA talks about his play you go "oh, so he made exactly 13 drones at this timing for that exact reason. While he might be getting a bit better at "pimpest playing" his way through a situation he will never be a Ret. I compare Destiny to much less accomplished WhiteRa because both are known for breaking the norms of their race with "special tactics" and because of their personalities attracting a lot of followers even if they are polar opposites. wait. did you seriously compare destiny to white-ra? one of the oldest and most respected bw players.... Yes? I did it as a throw away comment in regards to fanbase loyalty and how Destiny does many of the things that make WhiteRa such an appealing player, how is that a problem? I was giving a potential reasoning behind why he would have a rabid fanclub by finding comparisons to another famous player with a large fanbase.
not sure what his problem is, but my problem is this:
"I compare Destiny to much less accomplished WhiteRa"
I think even in SC2, WhiteRa accomplished much more than Destiny.
If you consider his accomplishements in SC1, then he's the more accomplished player by far. :-(
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DestinyEX imo. jk
But Destiny does have pro-level mechanics. Sure he needs more diversity. Everyone knows Destiny = Infestors. But you could say the same about Goody and Siege Tanks.
It's only a matter of time before he starts showing results, because he clearly has the skill.
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On August 23 2011 16:04 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 15:58 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 23 2011 15:54 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 15:41 Djzapz wrote:On August 23 2011 15:32 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 15:28 Djzapz wrote:On August 23 2011 15:17 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 15:11 Djzapz wrote:On August 23 2011 14:56 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 14:53 Djzapz wrote:
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Well look at coL, they just took all of root... I don't mean to be rude but... you know... btw I just tuned into Destiny's stream in time to watch him blindly mass spinecrawlers and turtle on two base with roach/infestor while roaming around with a burrowed hit squad. The uninspiring play I was talking about earlier that makes me baffled at his fanbase. 9300 people are watching this exact same thing he has been doing on the NA server for months whereas SlayerS_Dragon has 2k viewers and Rainbow has less than 400? I'd much rather see a player who uses infestors properly when the alternatives are not always particularly entertaining. If I want good, high level games, I'll go look up GSL VODs. In that game you saw, he was talking to Kyle and had "Infestor number 9" do a special-ops mission to murder 7 full energy infestors with 2 FG's. It was actually a fairly good match. Well I would rather watch a high level Korean terran like Slayers_Dragon doing a wide variety of entertaining, interesting, and skillful builds against other high level opponents instead of wondering whether or not Destiny's infestors can fungal his opponent's infestors first THIS game, but okay. People are allowed to want to watch Destiny put himself in the same position every game with slight variations on micro...it just makes no sense to me why people become rabid fanboys over that play. Well here's the thing, I can watch VODs of better players than Dragon play anytime I want but I can't always watch Destiny's show. (which, frankly, I watch half the time and it's background noise and lulz for the other half) As for his strategy which you dislike, I think the variations are important enough that it ends up being pretty varied. The average IdrA game is more monotonous and standard than this. TvT's in general are unbearably boring when compared to this. I've seen "standard" a billion times from a bunch of players. This is different on many levels. I don't watch all day though. There's no point in me arguing about your personal preference (even though it's tempting because I argue about anything). The entire time I've been posting I've been baffled by the cult-like following that seems to think he's a top player and bashing EG for underrating him. He's like a much less accomplished zerg WhiteRa but even WhiteRa seems to have less viewers and rabid fanboys? Not like I care whether or not you want to watch Destiny play while acknowledging that he's not god's gift to SC2. Well, I consider myself to be a fan of Destiny. Not a "fanboy", I guess, because I think I'm sane, but I certainly have been "defending him" here even though I need to go to bed (which I'm going to do after I finish writing this post). I would do the same thing if people spoke ill of Idra, Naniwa, Sheth, Tyler or any one of the players I particularly like. I guess I kind of take it personally because you seem to have a pretty negative opinion of his playstyle and especially of his viewer-base. Maybe I shouldn't bother, but that's me - I'm a carebear and I don't get you. Also comparing Destiny and Whitera doesn't quite make sense to me. They're not in the same league at all and their personalities are almost opposites. The only thing I can think about is the "special tactics" which are basically a show. There are grounds to criticize Destiny's fanboys though, I'll give you that - and I'm certain he would give you that too. Entertainers all have a few drooling idiots under their wings. I'll check back here tomorrow but it'll probably be old news by then. Good night. I just think Destiny is a boring and fairly gimmicky player. Making infestors isn't a gimmick but the way he plays is. Blindly throw down spine crawlers, turtling with infestors, barely ever attempting to scout except with burrowed infestors, etc. There seems to be no attempt to actually try and figure things out on a deep level, just "pimpest play" your way through the game. When someone like IdrA talks about his play you go "oh, so he made exactly 13 drones at this timing for that exact reason. While he might be getting a bit better at "pimpest playing" his way through a situation he will never be a Ret. I compare Destiny to much less accomplished WhiteRa because both are known for breaking the norms of their race with "special tactics" and because of their personalities attracting a lot of followers even if they are polar opposites. wait. did you seriously compare destiny to white-ra? one of the oldest and most respected bw players.... Yes? I did it as a throw away comment in regards to fanbase loyalty and how Destiny does many of the things that make WhiteRa such an appealing player, how is that a problem? I was giving a potential reasoning behind why he would have a rabid fanclub by finding comparisons to another famous player with a large fanbase. What's the number of fans that love him for being an old school BW player opposed to the people who love him for his special tactics and funny personality?
white ra has been a well respected player since the early years of bw and is a beast in sc2 as well. there is no comparison with destiny. and, how can you call white ra "less accomplished?" jesus christ.
edit: @justpassingby. my problem is the same.
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On August 23 2011 16:10 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 16:04 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 15:58 dAPhREAk wrote:On August 23 2011 15:54 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 15:41 Djzapz wrote:On August 23 2011 15:32 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 15:28 Djzapz wrote:On August 23 2011 15:17 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 15:11 Djzapz wrote:On August 23 2011 14:56 Heavenly wrote:
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btw I just tuned into Destiny's stream in time to watch him blindly mass spinecrawlers and turtle on two base with roach/infestor while roaming around with a burrowed hit squad. The uninspiring play I was talking about earlier that makes me baffled at his fanbase. 9300 people are watching this exact same thing he has been doing on the NA server for months whereas SlayerS_Dragon has 2k viewers and Rainbow has less than 400? I'd much rather see a player who uses infestors properly when the alternatives are not always particularly entertaining. If I want good, high level games, I'll go look up GSL VODs. In that game you saw, he was talking to Kyle and had "Infestor number 9" do a special-ops mission to murder 7 full energy infestors with 2 FG's. It was actually a fairly good match. Well I would rather watch a high level Korean terran like Slayers_Dragon doing a wide variety of entertaining, interesting, and skillful builds against other high level opponents instead of wondering whether or not Destiny's infestors can fungal his opponent's infestors first THIS game, but okay. People are allowed to want to watch Destiny put himself in the same position every game with slight variations on micro...it just makes no sense to me why people become rabid fanboys over that play. Well here's the thing, I can watch VODs of better players than Dragon play anytime I want but I can't always watch Destiny's show. (which, frankly, I watch half the time and it's background noise and lulz for the other half) As for his strategy which you dislike, I think the variations are important enough that it ends up being pretty varied. The average IdrA game is more monotonous and standard than this. TvT's in general are unbearably boring when compared to this. I've seen "standard" a billion times from a bunch of players. This is different on many levels. I don't watch all day though. There's no point in me arguing about your personal preference (even though it's tempting because I argue about anything). The entire time I've been posting I've been baffled by the cult-like following that seems to think he's a top player and bashing EG for underrating him. He's like a much less accomplished zerg WhiteRa but even WhiteRa seems to have less viewers and rabid fanboys? Not like I care whether or not you want to watch Destiny play while acknowledging that he's not god's gift to SC2. Well, I consider myself to be a fan of Destiny. Not a "fanboy", I guess, because I think I'm sane, but I certainly have been "defending him" here even though I need to go to bed (which I'm going to do after I finish writing this post). I would do the same thing if people spoke ill of Idra, Naniwa, Sheth, Tyler or any one of the players I particularly like. I guess I kind of take it personally because you seem to have a pretty negative opinion of his playstyle and especially of his viewer-base. Maybe I shouldn't bother, but that's me - I'm a carebear and I don't get you. Also comparing Destiny and Whitera doesn't quite make sense to me. They're not in the same league at all and their personalities are almost opposites. The only thing I can think about is the "special tactics" which are basically a show. There are grounds to criticize Destiny's fanboys though, I'll give you that - and I'm certain he would give you that too. Entertainers all have a few drooling idiots under their wings. I'll check back here tomorrow but it'll probably be old news by then. Good night. I just think Destiny is a boring and fairly gimmicky player. Making infestors isn't a gimmick but the way he plays is. Blindly throw down spine crawlers, turtling with infestors, barely ever attempting to scout except with burrowed infestors, etc. There seems to be no attempt to actually try and figure things out on a deep level, just "pimpest play" your way through the game. When someone like IdrA talks about his play you go "oh, so he made exactly 13 drones at this timing for that exact reason. While he might be getting a bit better at "pimpest playing" his way through a situation he will never be a Ret. I compare Destiny to much less accomplished WhiteRa because both are known for breaking the norms of their race with "special tactics" and because of their personalities attracting a lot of followers even if they are polar opposites. wait. did you seriously compare destiny to white-ra? one of the oldest and most respected bw players.... Yes? I did it as a throw away comment in regards to fanbase loyalty and how Destiny does many of the things that make WhiteRa such an appealing player, how is that a problem? I was giving a potential reasoning behind why he would have a rabid fanclub by finding comparisons to another famous player with a large fanbase. not sure what his problem is, but my problem is this: "I compare Destiny to much less accomplished WhiteRa" I think even in SC2, WhiteRa accomplished much more than Destiny. If you consider his accomplishements in SC1, then he's the more accomplished player by far. :-(
Oh, that was a typo. My original post said "He's like a much less accomplished zerg WhiteRa". Obviously WhiteRa is much more accomplished and respectable, the rest of that post was calling Destiny a mediocre player so contextually why would I say WhiteRa is worse?
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Heavenly, you're breaking my dream here. A Destiny watcher who is not only sane but realistic? AND informs me that Destiny is trying to tone down the BM?
This is crushing my worldview. I want to be able to smugly feel superior to Destiny fans and irrationally hate the man. You're ruining it for me  .
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On August 23 2011 16:18 MisterFred wrote:Heavenly, you're breaking my dream here. A Destiny watcher who is not only sane but realistic? AND informs me that Destiny is trying to tone down the BM? This is crushing my worldview. I want to be able to smugly feel superior to Destiny fans and irrationally hate the man. You're ruining it for me .
I was anti-Destiny (at least, anti-Destiny fanboy and neutral-Destiny) for like the last three pages of this thread, am I just completely horrible at getting my point across or something? lmao
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On August 23 2011 15:27 G0dly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 15:23 Mioraka wrote:On August 23 2011 15:17 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 15:11 Djzapz wrote:On August 23 2011 14:56 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 14:53 Djzapz wrote:On August 23 2011 14:49 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 14:38 Djzapz wrote:IdrA is also a top foreign player so 1, 2, and 4 make up for the faults of 3. Well "point 2" is kind of a mess because it includes qualities that are very different between the players. IdrA's work ethics are horrible, for instance. Regardless, of course IdrA is more valuable than Destiny, I wasn't comparing them - sorry if it looked like I was. IdrA is a superstar. Teams hire "B-teamers" too. SLush is my favorite players and he's not a star - yet he's employable and an asset to his team. I can look at every team like FXO, mouz, Liquid, etc. - they all have players who aren't expected to win tournaments. Destiny is good enough to put up a good fight and people will get out of their way to watch his games too. I can't imagine Destiny being a bad addition to a team if he wants to be. Well Slush is alright, he's on about the same level as most people in REIGN. He is part of REIGN's A-team isn't he? Him, Spades, and Kiwi seem to be the main A-teamers and you have B-teamers like Fayth and whoever else. And him and Kiwikaki were the A-team for Root. Obviously Destiny could be a B-teamer on middleish clan if he wanted. My problem is just with the actual creation of this thread and the rage of Destiny fans, as if they actually expected EG or Liquid or a major team like that to want him? Yes, Liquid "kind of" has B-teamers not expected to win tournaments (Haypro and Tyler I guess?) but those people were signed early in the game and have since then become part of the team's identity since its creation. Who has EG picked up lately? Huk and Puma. Who has TL picked up lately? Sheth and Hero. The existence of B-teamers like LZ Gamer on EG doesn't mean EG is going to sign a B-teamer. Well look at coL, they just took all of root... I don't mean to be rude but... you know... btw I just tuned into Destiny's stream in time to watch him blindly mass spinecrawlers and turtle on two base with roach/infestor while roaming around with a burrowed hit squad. The uninspiring play I was talking about earlier that makes me baffled at his fanbase. 9300 people are watching this exact same thing he has been doing on the NA server for months whereas SlayerS_Dragon has 2k viewers and Rainbow has less than 400? I'd much rather see a player who uses infestors properly when the alternatives are not always particularly entertaining. If I want good, high level games, I'll go look up GSL VODs. In that game you saw, he was talking to Kyle and had "Infestor number 9" do a special-ops mission to murder 7 full energy infestors with 2 FG's. It was actually a fairly good match. Well I would rather watch a high level Korean terran like Slayers_Dragon doing a wide variety of entertaining, interesting, and skillful builds against other high level opponents instead of wondering whether or not Destiny's infestors can fungal his opponent's infestors first THIS game, but okay. People are allowed to want to watch Destiny put himself in the same position every game with slight variations on micro...it just makes no sense to me why people become rabid fanboys over that play. I guess he fills the niche role of people who just want to watch a zerg play (which appears to be x4 the amount of people who want to watch a terran) but...the fanboys...I can't understand. If there are 9k people watching him spam infestors at 2am day in and day out, there's got to be SOMETHING he's doing correctly.......right? right? Orrrr, maybe everyone on his stream is just retarded. You decide. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populumwhether destiny is entertaining to watch or not has very little to do with how strong of a player he is. I pretty much agree with Alex's statement, Destiny's a fun player to watch and is really skilled but as a good prospect to be recruited imo there are other, better choices
I would argue that sports is an entertainment industry and so popularity is a very important gauge of his value to a sponsor.
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People saying he chokes at tournaments that just isn't true. If He loses on ladder:, oh , he played bad, rages vs protoss, infestors didn't hatch not a real loss. He wins on ladder: Instant forums, forever remembered, recanted in every single thread.
How bout this when comparing destiny to other people, he lost vs Boyo 0-2. Boyo is a nobody, lets put that down to a 5, max.
The fact that he has been even mentioned in the same sentence as White-Ra shows a real disparity on a fanboy to real knowledge ratio.
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On August 23 2011 16:23 mindspike wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 15:27 G0dly wrote:On August 23 2011 15:23 Mioraka wrote:On August 23 2011 15:17 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 15:11 Djzapz wrote:On August 23 2011 14:56 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 14:53 Djzapz wrote:On August 23 2011 14:49 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 14:38 Djzapz wrote:IdrA is also a top foreign player so 1, 2, and 4 make up for the faults of 3. Well "point 2" is kind of a mess because it includes qualities that are very different between the players. IdrA's work ethics are horrible, for instance. Regardless, of course IdrA is more valuable than Destiny, I wasn't comparing them - sorry if it looked like I was. IdrA is a superstar. Teams hire "B-teamers" too. SLush is my favorite players and he's not a star - yet he's employable and an asset to his team. I can look at every team like FXO, mouz, Liquid, etc. - they all have players who aren't expected to win tournaments. Destiny is good enough to put up a good fight and people will get out of their way to watch his games too. I can't imagine Destiny being a bad addition to a team if he wants to be. Well Slush is alright, he's on about the same level as most people in REIGN. He is part of REIGN's A-team isn't he? Him, Spades, and Kiwi seem to be the main A-teamers and you have B-teamers like Fayth and whoever else. And him and Kiwikaki were the A-team for Root. Obviously Destiny could be a B-teamer on middleish clan if he wanted. My problem is just with the actual creation of this thread and the rage of Destiny fans, as if they actually expected EG or Liquid or a major team like that to want him? Yes, Liquid "kind of" has B-teamers not expected to win tournaments (Haypro and Tyler I guess?) but those people were signed early in the game and have since then become part of the team's identity since its creation. Who has EG picked up lately? Huk and Puma. Who has TL picked up lately? Sheth and Hero. The existence of B-teamers like LZ Gamer on EG doesn't mean EG is going to sign a B-teamer. Well look at coL, they just took all of root... I don't mean to be rude but... you know... btw I just tuned into Destiny's stream in time to watch him blindly mass spinecrawlers and turtle on two base with roach/infestor while roaming around with a burrowed hit squad. The uninspiring play I was talking about earlier that makes me baffled at his fanbase. 9300 people are watching this exact same thing he has been doing on the NA server for months whereas SlayerS_Dragon has 2k viewers and Rainbow has less than 400? I'd much rather see a player who uses infestors properly when the alternatives are not always particularly entertaining. If I want good, high level games, I'll go look up GSL VODs. In that game you saw, he was talking to Kyle and had "Infestor number 9" do a special-ops mission to murder 7 full energy infestors with 2 FG's. It was actually a fairly good match. Well I would rather watch a high level Korean terran like Slayers_Dragon doing a wide variety of entertaining, interesting, and skillful builds against other high level opponents instead of wondering whether or not Destiny's infestors can fungal his opponent's infestors first THIS game, but okay. People are allowed to want to watch Destiny put himself in the same position every game with slight variations on micro...it just makes no sense to me why people become rabid fanboys over that play. I guess he fills the niche role of people who just want to watch a zerg play (which appears to be x4 the amount of people who want to watch a terran) but...the fanboys...I can't understand. If there are 9k people watching him spam infestors at 2am day in and day out, there's got to be SOMETHING he's doing correctly.......right? right? Orrrr, maybe everyone on his stream is just retarded. You decide. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populumwhether destiny is entertaining to watch or not has very little to do with how strong of a player he is. I pretty much agree with Alex's statement, Destiny's a fun player to watch and is really skilled but as a good prospect to be recruited imo there are other, better choices I would argue that sports is an entertainment industry and so popularity is a very important gauge of his value to a sponsor.
i would argue that non-racist terminology is a very important gauge of his value to a sponsor.
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On August 23 2011 16:20 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 16:18 MisterFred wrote:Heavenly, you're breaking my dream here. A Destiny watcher who is not only sane but realistic? AND informs me that Destiny is trying to tone down the BM? This is crushing my worldview. I want to be able to smugly feel superior to Destiny fans and irrationally hate the man. You're ruining it for me . I was anti-Destiny (at least, anti-Destiny fanboy and neutral-Destiny) for like the last three pages of this thread, am I just completely horrible at getting my point across or something? lmao
You're still a Destiny-watcher. I was hoping to broaden my net of disdain. But as I came to this thread tonight to do some Destiny-fan baiting, I found you're doing better than I would have. Kudos for the entertainment.
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On August 23 2011 16:23 mindspike wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 15:27 G0dly wrote:On August 23 2011 15:23 Mioraka wrote:On August 23 2011 15:17 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 15:11 Djzapz wrote:On August 23 2011 14:56 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 14:53 Djzapz wrote:On August 23 2011 14:49 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 14:38 Djzapz wrote:IdrA is also a top foreign player so 1, 2, and 4 make up for the faults of 3. Well "point 2" is kind of a mess because it includes qualities that are very different between the players. IdrA's work ethics are horrible, for instance. Regardless, of course IdrA is more valuable than Destiny, I wasn't comparing them - sorry if it looked like I was. IdrA is a superstar. Teams hire "B-teamers" too. SLush is my favorite players and he's not a star - yet he's employable and an asset to his team. I can look at every team like FXO, mouz, Liquid, etc. - they all have players who aren't expected to win tournaments. Destiny is good enough to put up a good fight and people will get out of their way to watch his games too. I can't imagine Destiny being a bad addition to a team if he wants to be. Well Slush is alright, he's on about the same level as most people in REIGN. He is part of REIGN's A-team isn't he? Him, Spades, and Kiwi seem to be the main A-teamers and you have B-teamers like Fayth and whoever else. And him and Kiwikaki were the A-team for Root. Obviously Destiny could be a B-teamer on middleish clan if he wanted. My problem is just with the actual creation of this thread and the rage of Destiny fans, as if they actually expected EG or Liquid or a major team like that to want him? Yes, Liquid "kind of" has B-teamers not expected to win tournaments (Haypro and Tyler I guess?) but those people were signed early in the game and have since then become part of the team's identity since its creation. Who has EG picked up lately? Huk and Puma. Who has TL picked up lately? Sheth and Hero. The existence of B-teamers like LZ Gamer on EG doesn't mean EG is going to sign a B-teamer. Well look at coL, they just took all of root... I don't mean to be rude but... you know... btw I just tuned into Destiny's stream in time to watch him blindly mass spinecrawlers and turtle on two base with roach/infestor while roaming around with a burrowed hit squad. The uninspiring play I was talking about earlier that makes me baffled at his fanbase. 9300 people are watching this exact same thing he has been doing on the NA server for months whereas SlayerS_Dragon has 2k viewers and Rainbow has less than 400? I'd much rather see a player who uses infestors properly when the alternatives are not always particularly entertaining. If I want good, high level games, I'll go look up GSL VODs. In that game you saw, he was talking to Kyle and had "Infestor number 9" do a special-ops mission to murder 7 full energy infestors with 2 FG's. It was actually a fairly good match. Well I would rather watch a high level Korean terran like Slayers_Dragon doing a wide variety of entertaining, interesting, and skillful builds against other high level opponents instead of wondering whether or not Destiny's infestors can fungal his opponent's infestors first THIS game, but okay. People are allowed to want to watch Destiny put himself in the same position every game with slight variations on micro...it just makes no sense to me why people become rabid fanboys over that play. I guess he fills the niche role of people who just want to watch a zerg play (which appears to be x4 the amount of people who want to watch a terran) but...the fanboys...I can't understand. If there are 9k people watching him spam infestors at 2am day in and day out, there's got to be SOMETHING he's doing correctly.......right? right? Orrrr, maybe everyone on his stream is just retarded. You decide. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populumwhether destiny is entertaining to watch or not has very little to do with how strong of a player he is. I pretty much agree with Alex's statement, Destiny's a fun player to watch and is really skilled but as a good prospect to be recruited imo there are other, better choices I would argue that sports is an entertainment industry and so popularity is a very important gauge of his value to a sponsor.
It never really benefited Root but Destiny is a bit more popular now than he was then I guess. Having a player that does little but be popular to a loyal fanbase isn't going to give you sponsors. Specifically in regards to EG he is not a valuable player. They don't need additional sponsors, EG is a powerhouse in esports, and an acquisition like Huk is much more appealing than someone like Destiny. While Puma is less popular he raises the overall level of EG a good deal and brings a ton in the much needed skill side.
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I would like to say that I've never seen another player kill someone with 52 Infestors before... he literally just won a ZvZ on Korea with 52 infestors.
That was beautiful. Almost as good as Tyler's Arbiter rush.
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anybody talk smack about my boy destiny getting donkey kong dick slapped in the face
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I see Destiny as an Starcraft entertainer player.
He does have good results considering he is "only" a streamer and not on a team, let alone on a tip-top team.
He does more than just playing, though, for example he hosted the Combat-Deezer-BO5. In the interview afterwards, he got Chill on Sykpe. Destiny acts as a catalyst to advance the plot.
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On August 23 2011 16:27 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 16:23 mindspike wrote:On August 23 2011 15:27 G0dly wrote:On August 23 2011 15:23 Mioraka wrote:On August 23 2011 15:17 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 15:11 Djzapz wrote:On August 23 2011 14:56 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 14:53 Djzapz wrote:On August 23 2011 14:49 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 14:38 Djzapz wrote:
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Well "point 2" is kind of a mess because it includes qualities that are very different between the players. IdrA's work ethics are horrible, for instance.
Regardless, of course IdrA is more valuable than Destiny, I wasn't comparing them - sorry if it looked like I was. IdrA is a superstar.
Teams hire "B-teamers" too. SLush is my favorite players and he's not a star - yet he's employable and an asset to his team. I can look at every team like FXO, mouz, Liquid, etc. - they all have players who aren't expected to win tournaments. Destiny is good enough to put up a good fight and people will get out of their way to watch his games too.
I can't imagine Destiny being a bad addition to a team if he wants to be. Well Slush is alright, he's on about the same level as most people in REIGN. He is part of REIGN's A-team isn't he? Him, Spades, and Kiwi seem to be the main A-teamers and you have B-teamers like Fayth and whoever else. And him and Kiwikaki were the A-team for Root. Obviously Destiny could be a B-teamer on middleish clan if he wanted. My problem is just with the actual creation of this thread and the rage of Destiny fans, as if they actually expected EG or Liquid or a major team like that to want him? Yes, Liquid "kind of" has B-teamers not expected to win tournaments (Haypro and Tyler I guess?) but those people were signed early in the game and have since then become part of the team's identity since its creation. Who has EG picked up lately? Huk and Puma. Who has TL picked up lately? Sheth and Hero. The existence of B-teamers like LZ Gamer on EG doesn't mean EG is going to sign a B-teamer. Well look at coL, they just took all of root... I don't mean to be rude but... you know... btw I just tuned into Destiny's stream in time to watch him blindly mass spinecrawlers and turtle on two base with roach/infestor while roaming around with a burrowed hit squad. The uninspiring play I was talking about earlier that makes me baffled at his fanbase. 9300 people are watching this exact same thing he has been doing on the NA server for months whereas SlayerS_Dragon has 2k viewers and Rainbow has less than 400? I'd much rather see a player who uses infestors properly when the alternatives are not always particularly entertaining. If I want good, high level games, I'll go look up GSL VODs. In that game you saw, he was talking to Kyle and had "Infestor number 9" do a special-ops mission to murder 7 full energy infestors with 2 FG's. It was actually a fairly good match. Well I would rather watch a high level Korean terran like Slayers_Dragon doing a wide variety of entertaining, interesting, and skillful builds against other high level opponents instead of wondering whether or not Destiny's infestors can fungal his opponent's infestors first THIS game, but okay. People are allowed to want to watch Destiny put himself in the same position every game with slight variations on micro...it just makes no sense to me why people become rabid fanboys over that play. I guess he fills the niche role of people who just want to watch a zerg play (which appears to be x4 the amount of people who want to watch a terran) but...the fanboys...I can't understand. If there are 9k people watching him spam infestors at 2am day in and day out, there's got to be SOMETHING he's doing correctly.......right? right? Orrrr, maybe everyone on his stream is just retarded. You decide. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populumwhether destiny is entertaining to watch or not has very little to do with how strong of a player he is. I pretty much agree with Alex's statement, Destiny's a fun player to watch and is really skilled but as a good prospect to be recruited imo there are other, better choices I would argue that sports is an entertainment industry and so popularity is a very important gauge of his value to a sponsor. It never really benefited Root but Destiny is a bit more popular now than he was then I guess. Having a player that does little but be popular to a loyal fanbase isn't going to give you sponsors. Specifically in regards to EG he is not a valuable player. They don't need additional sponsors, EG is a powerhouse in esports, and an acquisition like Huk is much more appealing than someone like Destiny. While Puma is less popular he raises the overall level of EG a good deal and brings a ton in the much needed skill side.
Well as people have already pointed out there are players on EG that are arguably less skilled than Destiny and also have less results. As far as your other points, they may not need more sponsors but they do need to show value to sponsors. Sponsors are basically looking for one thing -- more fans. Especially rabid, passionate fans that will buy or use products that a player recommends. For instance, I bet Destiny has indirectly sold hundreds of Das keyboards just from his using it.
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I don't see the game awareness in Destiny that Sheth and similar players have, atleast he doesen't show it out well, and he constantly dies because he fails to scout and read what his opponent is doing. This is definitely something Destiny needs to work on, and he is working on it, yesterday he was going through alot of games thinking about how he could counter it better with his friend Kyle.
Also, Destiny isn't that bad with muta builds, he does well and he should do it more often. His infestor build is getting recognition, Sheth was spending all yesterday practising infestor-builds, and went mass infestor build similar to Destiny.
The reasoning behind Destinys thinking and infestor build was discussed with him and Day9 once. He wants to find a build that has counters to everything, a safe build that will put him in a good mid- to late game. He doesen't like coinflip builds, so he throws out an opener he thinks is most profitable to him, security and eco-wise and has a well worked out plan which he will always play out. When he looses he doesen't say "Hm, I should have gone mutas." he thinks "hm, my infestors should have been split up and i should have put down a few more spine crawlers." depending on what happened. He also considers infestors the only good zerg unit, and would consider accepting a slight infestor nerf, but would want some buffs for other zerg units then.
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He is so bad. Hes not even close to top USA, which means Euro is far better than him, which means Korean is redonkulously better than him. When I see 7k ppl watching his stream I laugh at how many people will do that instead of watching any korean replay they can find. Hes total trash.
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