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On August 23 2011 13:29 HereticSaint wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 13:23 JinDesu wrote:
What exactly is the point of this thread, other than expounding the marketability of Destiny? Does this really require a thread of itself; a somewhat roundabout way of advertisement that Destiny doesn't even seem to be interested in?
I'm just curious because there's quite a bit of arguing in here that really shouldn't exist. Especially the negative comments directed at Alex for answering a question in PM. The point of this thread is to discuss Destiny as a player, not just his marketability, but also how good he is.
I am pretty sure that is exactly what the fan club thread is for. Not quite sure this one has stayed active for so long, considering most "how good is X" threads get shut down quickly.
As for the quoting a Private Message to stir the discussion, Zlasher summed up my thought about 10 pages ago.
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I really don't understand the cult-like following of people saying he should try out for Code A/join Slayers/etc. I used to watch him all the time because he did a variety of styles and was amusing, now he just does the same two base infestor into going around with "brofestor hit squads" every game and attempts to be super duper manner to make up for his earlier reputation as being BM. One in 10 games he does some kind of good harass or infestor micro and a video pops up on youtube and adds to his reputation.
I really just don't understand the cult following he has, all of his games look exactly the same to me and it seems like he's been hovering around 100 GM for an eternity but fans seem to consider one of the top zergs in the world. Why is this thread so large? Yes he is better than LZGamer (does that guy even play?) and some other EG members that were signed a long time ago back when they were considered decent and wouldn't have currently been signed. Saying "yeah but Destiny is better than those other guys you have!" is irrelevant to whether or not EG would prefer to sign him now or not. Who have EG picked up lately? Huk and Puma. Both amazing players. Maybe if their recent recruit was Johnny #42 in his Masters division that argument would have some merit.
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On August 23 2011 13:46 BloodNinja wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 13:29 HereticSaint wrote:On August 23 2011 13:23 JinDesu wrote:
What exactly is the point of this thread, other than expounding the marketability of Destiny? Does this really require a thread of itself; a somewhat roundabout way of advertisement that Destiny doesn't even seem to be interested in?
I'm just curious because there's quite a bit of arguing in here that really shouldn't exist. Especially the negative comments directed at Alex for answering a question in PM. The point of this thread is to discuss Destiny as a player, not just his marketability, but also how good he is. I am pretty sure that is exactly what the fan club thread is for. Not quite sure this one has stayed active for so long, considering most "how good is X" threads get shut down quickly. As for the quoting a Private Message to stir the discussion, Zlasher summed up my thought about 10 pages ago.
I'm pretty sure that isn't what fan club threads are for, at least not any that I've visited (Admittedly I haven't even peeked at Destiny's), of all the fan club threads I've visited (IdrA, LZ and WhiteRa) debating the skill level of said player wasn't allowed there, or at least got you yelled at.
It's great that someone summed up your thoughts 10 pages ago though, I'll just rehash my thoughts: If you are willing to tell some random person something over the internet and in addition to that not even ask for it to be kept hush hush then it must not be any kind of secret whatsoever.
On August 23 2011 13:36 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 13:29 HereticSaint wrote:On August 23 2011 13:23 JinDesu wrote:
What exactly is the point of this thread, other than expounding the marketability of Destiny? Does this really require a thread of itself; a somewhat roundabout way of advertisement that Destiny doesn't even seem to be interested in?
I'm just curious because there's quite a bit of arguing in here that really shouldn't exist. Especially the negative comments directed at Alex for answering a question in PM. The point of this thread is to discuss Destiny as a player, not just his marketability, but also how good he is. If Alex didn't want what he said to be analyzed he shouldn't have responded to a random PM without saying to keep something hush hush and if it's something he's willing to so easily part with then it must not be some big secret. On August 23 2011 13:24 WebsblobTwo wrote:
The only reason Destiny beats Koreans is because his play is unique and not seen on the KR Ladder. Beating iNcontroL 4-3 is no big feat, seeing as how IdrA beat him 2-0 in MLG. He has a unique style?! He must be awful! I do love, though, how IdrA beats him once and he's "bad", but he beats top Koreans once and it's "luck" or "omg unique playstyle, so gimmicky". Which then brings me back to my point - is this even worth a thread on TL? I'm sure tons of people think he's special, and I've noticed tons of people don't think he's special, and I'm sure the TL mods would really appreciate people making a thread for whoever their hero is on the forums when it could have been a blog. I don't think attacking Alex and his team is appropriate in this thread. His comments are his opinion, and disagreements do not automatically warrant insults (especially towards the weaker players on the team).
There are much, much less thread worthy topics that are currently being discussed on TL, at least in my opinion. I'm glad you have a direct line to the moderators to tell us what they are thinking though.
As for the post directly above my, I think it proves the point I was trying to make, haters gonna hate. He even makes the claim, "Look at all the Destiny fanboys"(Which he edited out), because clearly no one is attacking Destiny's skill level, character or credibility in this thread!
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hahahahh destiny below average personality, lol, god this makes me mad, angry, and sad, that someone so big in the community can be so naive and sheepish in his views on destiny, thinking destiny's personality is bad for a team cause he's BM, is so infuriating, Idra says way worse things, people think steve spouts out mindless "bad" words for no reason and people like him for it, no he's incredibly honest, and one of the smartest man in the Sc comunity with the best logic.
all in all I'm just upset someone that big in the community is so ignorant about someone who is one of the most successful person in SC2, and he just assumes things without ever actually giving steve a chance, I've been watching steve since he had 7 viewers and he hasn't changed at all in his personality and theres a reason he is so popular and it's not cause he spouts off mindless garbage, the Sc community is smarter than that.
Thinking destiny is only popular for BM and mindless cursing is an insult to the SC community, because than it would endorse people like that being that steve is so popular, but we aren't we like him for his great personality and probably the best in this community and also a brilliant mind.
tl;dr destiny is so misunderstood by the bigwigs in e-sports 
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1) Major LAN/Online Tournament Results
2) Work Ethic/Natural Talent/Potential for Improvement
3) Marketability/Personality
4) Established Fan Base
I think it's weird that "EGalex" would rate Destiny so poorly in 1 and 3 given that more than half of EG's roster is people we haven't heard about in months and haven't accomplished anything in SC2.
Especially 3, how could a team which pays Idra many tens of thousands of dollars argue that Destiny's personality/marketability is bad. That's absurd. His following is entirely due to his personality and his marketability is incredibly good because of his personality ---> $$$.
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On August 23 2011 14:11 HereticSaint wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 13:46 BloodNinja wrote:On August 23 2011 13:29 HereticSaint wrote:On August 23 2011 13:23 JinDesu wrote:
What exactly is the point of this thread, other than expounding the marketability of Destiny? Does this really require a thread of itself; a somewhat roundabout way of advertisement that Destiny doesn't even seem to be interested in?
I'm just curious because there's quite a bit of arguing in here that really shouldn't exist. Especially the negative comments directed at Alex for answering a question in PM. The point of this thread is to discuss Destiny as a player, not just his marketability, but also how good he is. I am pretty sure that is exactly what the fan club thread is for. Not quite sure this one has stayed active for so long, considering most "how good is X" threads get shut down quickly. As for the quoting a Private Message to stir the discussion, Zlasher summed up my thought about 10 pages ago. I'm pretty sure that isn't what fan club threads are for, at least not any that I've visited (Admittedly I haven't even peeked at Destiny's), of all the fan club threads I've visited (IdrA, LZ and WhiteRa) debating the skill level of said player wasn't allowed there, or at least got you yelled at. It's great that someone summed up your thoughts 10 pages ago though, I'll just rehash my thoughts: If you are willing to tell some random person something over the internet and in addition to that not even ask for it to be kept hush hush then it must not be any kind of secret whatsoever. Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 13:36 JinDesu wrote:On August 23 2011 13:29 HereticSaint wrote:On August 23 2011 13:23 JinDesu wrote:
What exactly is the point of this thread, other than expounding the marketability of Destiny? Does this really require a thread of itself; a somewhat roundabout way of advertisement that Destiny doesn't even seem to be interested in?
I'm just curious because there's quite a bit of arguing in here that really shouldn't exist. Especially the negative comments directed at Alex for answering a question in PM. The point of this thread is to discuss Destiny as a player, not just his marketability, but also how good he is. If Alex didn't want what he said to be analyzed he shouldn't have responded to a random PM without saying to keep something hush hush and if it's something he's willing to so easily part with then it must not be some big secret. On August 23 2011 13:24 WebsblobTwo wrote:
The only reason Destiny beats Koreans is because his play is unique and not seen on the KR Ladder. Beating iNcontroL 4-3 is no big feat, seeing as how IdrA beat him 2-0 in MLG. He has a unique style?! He must be awful! I do love, though, how IdrA beats him once and he's "bad", but he beats top Koreans once and it's "luck" or "omg unique playstyle, so gimmicky". Which then brings me back to my point - is this even worth a thread on TL? I'm sure tons of people think he's special, and I've noticed tons of people don't think he's special, and I'm sure the TL mods would really appreciate people making a thread for whoever their hero is on the forums when it could have been a blog. I don't think attacking Alex and his team is appropriate in this thread. His comments are his opinion, and disagreements do not automatically warrant insults (especially towards the weaker players on the team). There are much, much less thread worthy topics that are currently being discussed on TL, at least in my opinion. I'm glad you have a direct line to the moderators to tell us what they are thinking though. As for the post directly above my, I think it proves the point I was trying to make, haters gonna hate. He even makes the claim, "Look at all the Destiny fanboys"(Which he edited out), because clearly no one is attacking Destiny's skill level, character or credibility in this thread!
I edited it out because I knew fanboys such as yourself would focus solely on that and not address anything else. Yes, look at all the Destiny fanboys. I watched him for hours back when he had around 300 viewers and raged all game. Since the patch his playstyle is 2 base infestor every single time with mass spine crawler turtling into infestor/broodlord while he plays piano music and chitchats pleasantly because he's trying to get rid of his BM reputation. I'm not a Destiny hater, I'm a Destiny fan hater. Behind all the screaming and cute micro plays in the end his play is stagnant. Does he ever try to figure out how many drones he can make and when he can expand and be able to hold off one of a hundred terran pushes perfectly, like a Ret or IdrA? No, he just follows his build and sees if he wins. I'm not going to hate on him for that, but the ridiculousness of his fanbase (people actually thought EG would sign him?) tries to elevate him into something he just isn't.
He's not a valuable addition to a team and he's not particularly good at anything besides the one build he does every single time. But for some reason he has a cult of personality that will scream their love for him from the rooftops and make any thread about how professional teams don't think he's a good asset 22 pages.
On August 23 2011 14:16 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +1) Major LAN/Online Tournament Results
2) Work Ethic/Natural Talent/Potential for Improvement
3) Marketability/Personality
4) Established Fan Base I think it's weird that "EGalex" would rate Destiny so poorly in 1 and 3 given that more than half of EG's rosters are people we haven't heard about in months and haven't accomplished anything in SC2. Especially 3, how could a team which pays Idra many tens of thousands of dollars argue that Destiny's personality/marketability is bad. That's absurd. His following is entirely due to his personality and his marketability is incredibly good because of his personality ---> $$$.
More than half of that roster was also signed almost a year ago. I'm pretty sure EG is aware that Strifecro isn't going to win the GSL nowadays but they had something called a contract where that person is a member of your team until it expires. IdrA is also a top foreign player so 1, 2, and 4 make up for the faults of 3.
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On August 23 2011 14:19 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 14:11 HereticSaint wrote:On August 23 2011 13:46 BloodNinja wrote:On August 23 2011 13:29 HereticSaint wrote:On August 23 2011 13:23 JinDesu wrote:
What exactly is the point of this thread, other than expounding the marketability of Destiny? Does this really require a thread of itself; a somewhat roundabout way of advertisement that Destiny doesn't even seem to be interested in?
I'm just curious because there's quite a bit of arguing in here that really shouldn't exist. Especially the negative comments directed at Alex for answering a question in PM. The point of this thread is to discuss Destiny as a player, not just his marketability, but also how good he is. I am pretty sure that is exactly what the fan club thread is for. Not quite sure this one has stayed active for so long, considering most "how good is X" threads get shut down quickly. As for the quoting a Private Message to stir the discussion, Zlasher summed up my thought about 10 pages ago. I'm pretty sure that isn't what fan club threads are for, at least not any that I've visited (Admittedly I haven't even peeked at Destiny's), of all the fan club threads I've visited (IdrA, LZ and WhiteRa) debating the skill level of said player wasn't allowed there, or at least got you yelled at. It's great that someone summed up your thoughts 10 pages ago though, I'll just rehash my thoughts: If you are willing to tell some random person something over the internet and in addition to that not even ask for it to be kept hush hush then it must not be any kind of secret whatsoever. On August 23 2011 13:36 JinDesu wrote:On August 23 2011 13:29 HereticSaint wrote:On August 23 2011 13:23 JinDesu wrote:
What exactly is the point of this thread, other than expounding the marketability of Destiny? Does this really require a thread of itself; a somewhat roundabout way of advertisement that Destiny doesn't even seem to be interested in?
I'm just curious because there's quite a bit of arguing in here that really shouldn't exist. Especially the negative comments directed at Alex for answering a question in PM. The point of this thread is to discuss Destiny as a player, not just his marketability, but also how good he is. If Alex didn't want what he said to be analyzed he shouldn't have responded to a random PM without saying to keep something hush hush and if it's something he's willing to so easily part with then it must not be some big secret. On August 23 2011 13:24 WebsblobTwo wrote:
The only reason Destiny beats Koreans is because his play is unique and not seen on the KR Ladder. Beating iNcontroL 4-3 is no big feat, seeing as how IdrA beat him 2-0 in MLG. He has a unique style?! He must be awful! I do love, though, how IdrA beats him once and he's "bad", but he beats top Koreans once and it's "luck" or "omg unique playstyle, so gimmicky". Which then brings me back to my point - is this even worth a thread on TL? I'm sure tons of people think he's special, and I've noticed tons of people don't think he's special, and I'm sure the TL mods would really appreciate people making a thread for whoever their hero is on the forums when it could have been a blog. I don't think attacking Alex and his team is appropriate in this thread. His comments are his opinion, and disagreements do not automatically warrant insults (especially towards the weaker players on the team). There are much, much less thread worthy topics that are currently being discussed on TL, at least in my opinion. I'm glad you have a direct line to the moderators to tell us what they are thinking though. As for the post directly above my, I think it proves the point I was trying to make, haters gonna hate. He even makes the claim, "Look at all the Destiny fanboys"(Which he edited out), because clearly no one is attacking Destiny's skill level, character or credibility in this thread! I edited it out because I knew fanboys such as yourself would focus solely on that and not address anything else. Yes, look at all the Destiny fanboys. I watched him for hours back when he had around 300 viewers and raged all game. Since the patch his playstyle is 2 base infestor every single time with mass spine crawler turtling into infestor/broodlord while he plays piano music and chitchats pleasantly because he's trying to get rid of his BM reputation. I'm not a Destiny hater, I'm a Destiny fan hater as are most people. He's not a valuable addition to a team and he's not particularly good at anything besides the one build he does every single time. But for some reason he has a cult of personality that will scream their love for him from the rooftops and make any thread about how professional teams don't think he's a good asset 22 pages. Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 14:16 Djzapz wrote:1) Major LAN/Online Tournament Results
2) Work Ethic/Natural Talent/Potential for Improvement
3) Marketability/Personality
4) Established Fan Base I think it's weird that "EGalex" would rate Destiny so poorly in 1 and 3 given that more than half of EG's rosters are people we haven't heard about in months and haven't accomplished anything in SC2. Especially 3, how could a team which pays Idra many tens of thousands of dollars argue that Destiny's personality/marketability is bad. That's absurd. His following is entirely due to his personality and his marketability is incredibly good because of his personality ---> $$$. More than half of that roster was also signed almost a year ago. I'm pretty sure EG is aware that Strifecro isn't going to win the GSL nowadays but they had something called a contract where that person is a member of your team until it expires. IdrA is also a top foreign player so 1, 2, and 4 make up for the faults of 3.
I'm not going to mince words, if you think I'm a fanboy, you aren't very intelligent.. As said previously I haven't even watched his stream in several weeks and I've never been on his fan page, I couldn't even tell you what's on there.
But clearly you have amazing arguments. Yeah, he just started being a good manner player out of nowhere, because, while he doesn't even want to be on a team and according to all the haters that he aims for the "lowest common denominator", clearly that's why he's only suddenly become good mannered, because those fans enjoy it.
There's plenty of people who have put legitimate criticism of Destiny in this thread, and then there's several people like you. "OMG HE DISAGREES WITH ME FAAAAAAAAANBOI". I give up, you guys are right, this thread shouldn't exist.
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On August 23 2011 14:15 Slago wrote:hahahahh destiny below average personality, lol, god this makes me mad, angry, and sad, that someone so big in the community can be so naive and sheepish in his views on destiny, thinking destiny's personality is bad for a team cause he's BM, is so infuriating, Idra says way worse things, people think steve spouts out mindless "bad" words for no reason and people like him for it, no he's incredibly honest, and one of the smartest man in the Sc comunity with the best logic. all in all I'm just upset someone that big in the community is so ignorant about someone who is one of the most successful person in SC2, and he just assumes things without ever actually giving steve a chance, I've been watching steve since he had 7 viewers and he hasn't changed at all in his personality and theres a reason he is so popular and it's not cause he spouts off mindless garbage, the Sc community is smarter than that. Thinking destiny is only popular for BM and mindless cursing is an insult to the SC community, because than it would endorse people like that being that steve is so popular, but we aren't we like him for his great personality and probably the best in this community and also a brilliant mind. tl;dr destiny is so misunderstood by the bigwigs in e-sports
why are you so insulting to egalex who gave his honest opinion in a non-public pm? and why are you putting words in his mouth? he didn't say anything negative about destiny; he only gave his opinions, not the reasons for them.
i also dont get your whole "lets give steve a chance" bit. after root was bought out, he signed a contract and reneged on it for bullshit reasons. he had his chance and spat in the "big wigs' " face. fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
"most successful person in SC2" . . . what a joke. he is a decent player with a huge fan base. lets not exaggerate.
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On August 23 2011 14:27 HereticSaint wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 14:19 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 14:11 HereticSaint wrote:On August 23 2011 13:46 BloodNinja wrote:On August 23 2011 13:29 HereticSaint wrote:On August 23 2011 13:23 JinDesu wrote:
What exactly is the point of this thread, other than expounding the marketability of Destiny? Does this really require a thread of itself; a somewhat roundabout way of advertisement that Destiny doesn't even seem to be interested in?
I'm just curious because there's quite a bit of arguing in here that really shouldn't exist. Especially the negative comments directed at Alex for answering a question in PM. The point of this thread is to discuss Destiny as a player, not just his marketability, but also how good he is. I am pretty sure that is exactly what the fan club thread is for. Not quite sure this one has stayed active for so long, considering most "how good is X" threads get shut down quickly. As for the quoting a Private Message to stir the discussion, Zlasher summed up my thought about 10 pages ago. I'm pretty sure that isn't what fan club threads are for, at least not any that I've visited (Admittedly I haven't even peeked at Destiny's), of all the fan club threads I've visited (IdrA, LZ and WhiteRa) debating the skill level of said player wasn't allowed there, or at least got you yelled at. It's great that someone summed up your thoughts 10 pages ago though, I'll just rehash my thoughts: If you are willing to tell some random person something over the internet and in addition to that not even ask for it to be kept hush hush then it must not be any kind of secret whatsoever. On August 23 2011 13:36 JinDesu wrote:On August 23 2011 13:29 HereticSaint wrote:On August 23 2011 13:23 JinDesu wrote:
What exactly is the point of this thread, other than expounding the marketability of Destiny? Does this really require a thread of itself; a somewhat roundabout way of advertisement that Destiny doesn't even seem to be interested in?
I'm just curious because there's quite a bit of arguing in here that really shouldn't exist. Especially the negative comments directed at Alex for answering a question in PM. The point of this thread is to discuss Destiny as a player, not just his marketability, but also how good he is. If Alex didn't want what he said to be analyzed he shouldn't have responded to a random PM without saying to keep something hush hush and if it's something he's willing to so easily part with then it must not be some big secret. On August 23 2011 13:24 WebsblobTwo wrote:
The only reason Destiny beats Koreans is because his play is unique and not seen on the KR Ladder. Beating iNcontroL 4-3 is no big feat, seeing as how IdrA beat him 2-0 in MLG. He has a unique style?! He must be awful! I do love, though, how IdrA beats him once and he's "bad", but he beats top Koreans once and it's "luck" or "omg unique playstyle, so gimmicky". Which then brings me back to my point - is this even worth a thread on TL? I'm sure tons of people think he's special, and I've noticed tons of people don't think he's special, and I'm sure the TL mods would really appreciate people making a thread for whoever their hero is on the forums when it could have been a blog. I don't think attacking Alex and his team is appropriate in this thread. His comments are his opinion, and disagreements do not automatically warrant insults (especially towards the weaker players on the team). There are much, much less thread worthy topics that are currently being discussed on TL, at least in my opinion. I'm glad you have a direct line to the moderators to tell us what they are thinking though. As for the post directly above my, I think it proves the point I was trying to make, haters gonna hate. He even makes the claim, "Look at all the Destiny fanboys"(Which he edited out), because clearly no one is attacking Destiny's skill level, character or credibility in this thread! I edited it out because I knew fanboys such as yourself would focus solely on that and not address anything else. Yes, look at all the Destiny fanboys. I watched him for hours back when he had around 300 viewers and raged all game. Since the patch his playstyle is 2 base infestor every single time with mass spine crawler turtling into infestor/broodlord while he plays piano music and chitchats pleasantly because he's trying to get rid of his BM reputation. I'm not a Destiny hater, I'm a Destiny fan hater as are most people. He's not a valuable addition to a team and he's not particularly good at anything besides the one build he does every single time. But for some reason he has a cult of personality that will scream their love for him from the rooftops and make any thread about how professional teams don't think he's a good asset 22 pages. On August 23 2011 14:16 Djzapz wrote:1) Major LAN/Online Tournament Results
2) Work Ethic/Natural Talent/Potential for Improvement
3) Marketability/Personality
4) Established Fan Base I think it's weird that "EGalex" would rate Destiny so poorly in 1 and 3 given that more than half of EG's rosters are people we haven't heard about in months and haven't accomplished anything in SC2. Especially 3, how could a team which pays Idra many tens of thousands of dollars argue that Destiny's personality/marketability is bad. That's absurd. His following is entirely due to his personality and his marketability is incredibly good because of his personality ---> $$$. More than half of that roster was also signed almost a year ago. I'm pretty sure EG is aware that Strifecro isn't going to win the GSL nowadays but they had something called a contract where that person is a member of your team until it expires. IdrA is also a top foreign player so 1, 2, and 4 make up for the faults of 3. I'm not going to mince words, if you think I'm a fanboy, you aren't very intelligent.. As said previously I haven't even watched his stream in several weeks and I've never been on his fan page, I couldn't even tell you what's on there. But clearly you have amazing arguments. Yeah, he just started being a good manner player out of nowhere, because, while he doesn't even want to be on a team and according to all the haters that he aims for the "lowest common denominator", clearly that's why he's only suddenly become good mannered, because those fans enjoy it. There's plenty of people who have put legitimate criticism of Destiny in this thread, and then there's several people like you. "OMG HE DISAGREES WITH ME FAAAAAAAAANBOI". I give up, you guys are right, this thread shouldn't exist.
Okay, thank you for your opinion. I never hated on Destiny at all in this thread, I told the truth---that he is a mediocre player that does the same thing over and over and besides his popularity has nothing to add to a team. When, for instance, even in the Root days did you see him come out in a clan war? When was he the go-to training partner for the big names on the team like Kiwikaki? He was always just an amusing personality (and EG has IdrA and Incontrol for that). I was laughing at his ridiculous fanboys who have made this thread what it is. If you aren't one, congratulations.
We can both agree that this thread shouldn't exist. You also appear to have given up (not exactly sure on what) so goodbye.
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IdrA is also a top foreign player so 1, 2, and 4 make up for the faults of 3.
Well "point 2" is kind of a mess because it includes qualities that are very different between the players. IdrA's work ethics are horrible, for instance.
Regardless, of course IdrA is more valuable than Destiny, I wasn't comparing them - sorry if it looked like I was. IdrA is a superstar.
Teams hire "B-teamers" too. SLush is my favorite players and he's not a star - yet he's employable and an asset to his team. I can look at every team like FXO, mouz, Liquid, etc. - they all have players who aren't expected to win tournaments. Destiny is good enough to put up a good fight and people will get out of their way to watch his games too.
I can't imagine Destiny being a bad addition to a team if he wants to be.
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On August 23 2011 14:38 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +IdrA is also a top foreign player so 1, 2, and 4 make up for the faults of 3. Well "point 2" is kind of a mess because it includes qualities that are very different between the players. IdrA's work ethics are horrible, for instance. Regardless, of course IdrA is more valuable than Destiny, I wasn't comparing them - sorry if it looked like I was. IdrA is a superstar. Teams hire "B-teamers" too. SLush is my favorite players and he's not a star - yet he's employable and an asset to his team. I can look at every team like FXO, mouz, Liquid, etc. - they all have players who aren't expected to win tournaments. Destiny is good enough to put up a good fight and people will get out of their way to watch his games too. I can't imagine Destiny being a bad addition to a team if he wants to be.
Well Slush is alright, he's on about the same level as most people in REIGN. He is part of REIGN's A-team isn't he? Him, Spades, and Kiwi seem to be the main A-teamers and you have B-teamers like Fayth and whoever else. And him and Kiwikaki were the A-team for Root. Obviously Destiny could be a B-teamer on middleish clan if he wanted. My problem is just with the actual creation of this thread and the rage of Destiny fans, as if they actually expected EG or Liquid or a major team like that to want him? Yes, Liquid "kind of" has B-teamers not expected to win tournaments (Haypro and Tyler I guess?) but those people were signed early in the game and have since then become part of the team's identity since its creation. Who has EG picked up lately? Huk and Puma. Who has TL picked up lately? Sheth and Hero. The existence of B-teamers like LZ Gamer on EG doesn't mean EG is going to sign a B-teamer.
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I'm sure the Destiny fansquad will come shit on me for this but the truth is he's an absolute brat. Watching how he handled that kid who would shut down his stream every once in a while was absolutely fucking embarassing. Yes, the kid who was DDoS'ing was in the wrong, but he was also like 17 and an idiot. Destiny, in that youtube recorded video, sounds like a little kid himself, making ridiculous your mom jokes and saying flat out immature shit that i wouldn't expect from anyone past high school MUCH LESS married. Really unlikeable personality
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On August 23 2011 14:49 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 14:38 Djzapz wrote:IdrA is also a top foreign player so 1, 2, and 4 make up for the faults of 3. Well "point 2" is kind of a mess because it includes qualities that are very different between the players. IdrA's work ethics are horrible, for instance. Regardless, of course IdrA is more valuable than Destiny, I wasn't comparing them - sorry if it looked like I was. IdrA is a superstar. Teams hire "B-teamers" too. SLush is my favorite players and he's not a star - yet he's employable and an asset to his team. I can look at every team like FXO, mouz, Liquid, etc. - they all have players who aren't expected to win tournaments. Destiny is good enough to put up a good fight and people will get out of their way to watch his games too. I can't imagine Destiny being a bad addition to a team if he wants to be. Well Slush is alright, he's on about the same level as most people in REIGN. He is part of REIGN's A-team isn't he? Him, Spades, and Kiwi seem to be the main A-teamers and you have B-teamers like Fayth and whoever else. And him and Kiwikaki were the A-team for Root. Obviously Destiny could be a B-teamer on middleish clan if he wanted. My problem is just with the actual creation of this thread and the rage of Destiny fans, as if they actually expected EG or Liquid or a major team like that to want him? Yes, Liquid "kind of" has B-teamers not expected to win tournaments (Haypro and Tyler I guess?) but those people were signed early in the game and have since then become part of the team's identity since its creation. Who has EG picked up lately? Huk and Puma. Who has TL picked up lately? Sheth and Hero. The existence of B-teamers like LZ Gamer on EG doesn't mean EG is going to sign a B-teamer.
Well look at coL, they just took all of ROOT... I don't mean to be rude but... you know - Kiwi didn't follow and he's the best player they had by a fair margin, IMO. coL is not a small team and they were fine signing players with a not-particularly-impressive curriculum. They probably would have been happy to keep Destiny.
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On August 23 2011 14:53 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 14:49 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 14:38 Djzapz wrote:IdrA is also a top foreign player so 1, 2, and 4 make up for the faults of 3. Well "point 2" is kind of a mess because it includes qualities that are very different between the players. IdrA's work ethics are horrible, for instance. Regardless, of course IdrA is more valuable than Destiny, I wasn't comparing them - sorry if it looked like I was. IdrA is a superstar. Teams hire "B-teamers" too. SLush is my favorite players and he's not a star - yet he's employable and an asset to his team. I can look at every team like FXO, mouz, Liquid, etc. - they all have players who aren't expected to win tournaments. Destiny is good enough to put up a good fight and people will get out of their way to watch his games too. I can't imagine Destiny being a bad addition to a team if he wants to be. Well Slush is alright, he's on about the same level as most people in REIGN. He is part of REIGN's A-team isn't he? Him, Spades, and Kiwi seem to be the main A-teamers and you have B-teamers like Fayth and whoever else. And him and Kiwikaki were the A-team for Root. Obviously Destiny could be a B-teamer on middleish clan if he wanted. My problem is just with the actual creation of this thread and the rage of Destiny fans, as if they actually expected EG or Liquid or a major team like that to want him? Yes, Liquid "kind of" has B-teamers not expected to win tournaments (Haypro and Tyler I guess?) but those people were signed early in the game and have since then become part of the team's identity since its creation. Who has EG picked up lately? Huk and Puma. Who has TL picked up lately? Sheth and Hero. The existence of B-teamers like LZ Gamer on EG doesn't mean EG is going to sign a B-teamer. Well look at coL, they just took all of root... I don't mean to be rude but... you know...
What about it? The people that were on coL before the merger aren't that great, they were around equal level teams but coL had better financial security. I just watched Minigun 6-0 Trimaster or something a day or two ago and I can't think of anyone on there that would have been considered good? Cruncher is considered pretty decent I suppose? coL is a good example of a team that Destiny would fit in well, I agree. EG is not.
btw I just tuned into Destiny's stream in time to watch him blindly mass spinecrawlers and turtle on two base with roach/infestor while roaming around with a burrowed hit squad. The uninspiring play I was talking about earlier that makes me baffled at his fanbase. 9300 people are watching this exact same thing he has been doing on the NA server for months whereas SlayerS_Dragon has 2k viewers and Rainbow has less than 400?
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On August 22 2011 13:49 crms wrote:
id love to see his rankings of some of the members on his own team....
Exactly. Inc/machine only ever seem to lose at mlg.....
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On August 23 2011 14:56 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 14:53 Djzapz wrote:On August 23 2011 14:49 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 14:38 Djzapz wrote:IdrA is also a top foreign player so 1, 2, and 4 make up for the faults of 3. Well "point 2" is kind of a mess because it includes qualities that are very different between the players. IdrA's work ethics are horrible, for instance. Regardless, of course IdrA is more valuable than Destiny, I wasn't comparing them - sorry if it looked like I was. IdrA is a superstar. Teams hire "B-teamers" too. SLush is my favorite players and he's not a star - yet he's employable and an asset to his team. I can look at every team like FXO, mouz, Liquid, etc. - they all have players who aren't expected to win tournaments. Destiny is good enough to put up a good fight and people will get out of their way to watch his games too. I can't imagine Destiny being a bad addition to a team if he wants to be. Well Slush is alright, he's on about the same level as most people in REIGN. He is part of REIGN's A-team isn't he? Him, Spades, and Kiwi seem to be the main A-teamers and you have B-teamers like Fayth and whoever else. And him and Kiwikaki were the A-team for Root. Obviously Destiny could be a B-teamer on middleish clan if he wanted. My problem is just with the actual creation of this thread and the rage of Destiny fans, as if they actually expected EG or Liquid or a major team like that to want him? Yes, Liquid "kind of" has B-teamers not expected to win tournaments (Haypro and Tyler I guess?) but those people were signed early in the game and have since then become part of the team's identity since its creation. Who has EG picked up lately? Huk and Puma. Who has TL picked up lately? Sheth and Hero. The existence of B-teamers like LZ Gamer on EG doesn't mean EG is going to sign a B-teamer. Well look at coL, they just took all of root... I don't mean to be rude but... you know... What about it? The people that were on coL before the merger aren't that great, they were around equal level teams but coL had better financial security. I just watched Minigun 6-0 Trimaster or something a day or two ago and I can't think of anyone on there that would have been considered good? Cruncher is considered pretty decent I suppose?
I'm just saying Destiny is definitely employable. Good enough for one and easily charismatic enough. Of course we can go and compare him to even better, more valuable players but that would be missing the point.
(Also I view Minigun as an underrated player who's yet to prove that he's good. He could turn out to be pretty surprising.)
On August 23 2011 14:58 Za7oX wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 13:49 crms wrote:
id love to see his rankings of some of the members on his own team.... Exactly. Inc/machine only ever seem to lose at mlg.....
Better than the other ones who stay home.
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On August 23 2011 15:00 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 14:56 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 14:53 Djzapz wrote:On August 23 2011 14:49 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 14:38 Djzapz wrote:IdrA is also a top foreign player so 1, 2, and 4 make up for the faults of 3. Well "point 2" is kind of a mess because it includes qualities that are very different between the players. IdrA's work ethics are horrible, for instance. Regardless, of course IdrA is more valuable than Destiny, I wasn't comparing them - sorry if it looked like I was. IdrA is a superstar. Teams hire "B-teamers" too. SLush is my favorite players and he's not a star - yet he's employable and an asset to his team. I can look at every team like FXO, mouz, Liquid, etc. - they all have players who aren't expected to win tournaments. Destiny is good enough to put up a good fight and people will get out of their way to watch his games too. I can't imagine Destiny being a bad addition to a team if he wants to be. Well Slush is alright, he's on about the same level as most people in REIGN. He is part of REIGN's A-team isn't he? Him, Spades, and Kiwi seem to be the main A-teamers and you have B-teamers like Fayth and whoever else. And him and Kiwikaki were the A-team for Root. Obviously Destiny could be a B-teamer on middleish clan if he wanted. My problem is just with the actual creation of this thread and the rage of Destiny fans, as if they actually expected EG or Liquid or a major team like that to want him? Yes, Liquid "kind of" has B-teamers not expected to win tournaments (Haypro and Tyler I guess?) but those people were signed early in the game and have since then become part of the team's identity since its creation. Who has EG picked up lately? Huk and Puma. Who has TL picked up lately? Sheth and Hero. The existence of B-teamers like LZ Gamer on EG doesn't mean EG is going to sign a B-teamer. Well look at coL, they just took all of root... I don't mean to be rude but... you know... What about it? The people that were on coL before the merger aren't that great, they were around equal level teams but coL had better financial security. I just watched Minigun 6-0 Trimaster or something a day or two ago and I can't think of anyone on there that would have been considered good? Cruncher is considered pretty decent I suppose? I'm just saying Destiny is definitely employable. Good enough for one and easily charismatic enough. Of course we can go and compare him to even better, more valuable players but that would be missing the point. (Also I view Minigun as an underrated player who's yet to prove that he's good. He could turn out to be pretty surprising.) Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 14:58 Za7oX wrote:On August 22 2011 13:49 crms wrote:
id love to see his rankings of some of the members on his own team.... Exactly. Inc/machine only ever seem to lose at mlg..... Better than the other ones who stay home.
Well yeah, I was never arguing that Destiny wouldn't fit in on a place like coL. It's a decent NA team and he's a decent NA player.
And yes, Minigun is very good, pretty easy to follow his strategies and playstyle because of his low APM that makes it easy to mimic for lesser players. I think he's shown that he's a pretty good player, probably the best player from Root under Kiwikaki and equal to or a bit worse than Slush and one of the best on coL.
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I think people are getting way too serious in a poll thread about something entirely subjective.
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On August 23 2011 14:56 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 14:53 Djzapz wrote:On August 23 2011 14:49 Heavenly wrote:On August 23 2011 14:38 Djzapz wrote:IdrA is also a top foreign player so 1, 2, and 4 make up for the faults of 3. Well "point 2" is kind of a mess because it includes qualities that are very different between the players. IdrA's work ethics are horrible, for instance. Regardless, of course IdrA is more valuable than Destiny, I wasn't comparing them - sorry if it looked like I was. IdrA is a superstar. Teams hire "B-teamers" too. SLush is my favorite players and he's not a star - yet he's employable and an asset to his team. I can look at every team like FXO, mouz, Liquid, etc. - they all have players who aren't expected to win tournaments. Destiny is good enough to put up a good fight and people will get out of their way to watch his games too. I can't imagine Destiny being a bad addition to a team if he wants to be. Well Slush is alright, he's on about the same level as most people in REIGN. He is part of REIGN's A-team isn't he? Him, Spades, and Kiwi seem to be the main A-teamers and you have B-teamers like Fayth and whoever else. And him and Kiwikaki were the A-team for Root. Obviously Destiny could be a B-teamer on middleish clan if he wanted. My problem is just with the actual creation of this thread and the rage of Destiny fans, as if they actually expected EG or Liquid or a major team like that to want him? Yes, Liquid "kind of" has B-teamers not expected to win tournaments (Haypro and Tyler I guess?) but those people were signed early in the game and have since then become part of the team's identity since its creation. Who has EG picked up lately? Huk and Puma. Who has TL picked up lately? Sheth and Hero. The existence of B-teamers like LZ Gamer on EG doesn't mean EG is going to sign a B-teamer. Well look at coL, they just took all of root... I don't mean to be rude but... you know... btw I just tuned into Destiny's stream in time to watch him blindly mass spinecrawlers and turtle on two base with roach/infestor while roaming around with a burrowed hit squad. The uninspiring play I was talking about earlier that makes me baffled at his fanbase. 9300 people are watching this exact same thing he has been doing on the NA server for months whereas SlayerS_Dragon has 2k viewers and Rainbow has less than 400?
I'd much rather see a player who uses infestors properly when the alternatives are not always particularly entertaining. If I want good, high level games, I'll go look up GSL VODs.
In that game you saw, he was talking to Kyle and had "Infestor number 9" do a special-ops mission to murder 7 full energy infestors with 2 FG's. It was actually a fairly good match.
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If destiny decides not to join col. I doubt he will EVER consider EG, even if they do consider picking him up.
And with the amount of money he makes streaming (I assume it's much higher than before since he used to pull only 3.5k viewers on average, but right now as of me typing, he has around 9k viewers), even if they give him a Huk contract, which they won't and shouldn't, there still won't be enough monetary incentive for him to join.
Besides, it's not like EG is SKT1 of sc2.
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