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On August 23 2011 11:40 Huragius wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 15:14 FairForever wrote:On August 22 2011 14:54 Polskaa wrote:
No offence
Strifeco
Machine
Axlav
have no point to be on EG
Destiny outstages them by a longshot
especially Strifeco Axslav beat Destiny at IPL. Destiny may be more popular but you can't just say he's better. I'd say Axslav, DeMu, and InControl are all within hitting range of Destiny in terms of skill level (all about equal), with Strifecro a step behind (and Machine and Lz about 50,000 steps behind). That's not the point though. For those who say Destiny and Idra are similar... well, they're both Zergs, both pretty good, both BM... but... 1) Idra is a better player. This is not debatable. Destiny took some games off great players but hasn't posted any real results. Idra, on the other hand, has won MLGs, still consistently finishes as a top 3 foreigner in MLG even with the Koreans around, had some decent Code S finishes, won IPL, etc. etc. 2) Idra is more valuable to EG in terms of marketability. When EG says Destiny's marketability is low, they mean it. Destiny is a popular player, but seeing as how the deal with Complexity didn't work out, we can assume that Destiny does not want to be doing non-game or coach related things. Idra is willing to show up on shows like Imbalanced, that DJWheat show (I don't watch these, sorry... don't know the name... Inside the Game?), and is willing to cast EG's team league and other things. Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 18:54 vdale wrote:On August 22 2011 18:04 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 22 2011 17:51 enecateReAP wrote:On August 22 2011 17:28 Sfydjklm wrote:
destiny is the zerg equivalent of sjow/goody/elfi etc. No, not at all. He's more like the zerg equivilent of Sterling/incontrol etc. He's not a top tier player, he's good, but hes not top tier, Sjow has won SO many tournaments in Europe, if you're not recognising that, then don't use his name in a post o.O Goody won 3 tournaments just last month and consistantly wins/takes high ranking. Elfi, meh, maybe. Well Goody/Sjow/Elfi aren't particularity good at starcraft 2 but they all devised styles that allow them to overcome their shortcomings and compete at the highest level. No, just no. They are very good at starcraft 2, especially Goody and Sjow. Goody's and Sjow's multitasking is not as good as of other top players, but they are better than many other players on the highest level in terms of decision making (openings, building/unit placement, attack timings, expansion timings, unit movement, etc. <- all those things make you "good at starcraft 2"). Are you people out of your fucking minds ?
I don't necessarily think they are correct, but they aren't exaggerating as much as the people comparing Destiny to Gold level players.
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On August 23 2011 10:30 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 10:28 asdfOu wrote:
Who is EG to decide whether someone is good or not, they only have idra for a chance to win anything Yeah because HuK and Puma + Show Spoiler [IEM] +(who JUST won IEM this week lol) have no change of putting results on the table. Axslav got 4th at IPL; maybe not a huge achievement but an achievement nonetheless
Duh, HuK and Puma just signed in, you understood what he meant, for the most part EG has been a ''idra company'' and even idra still didnt produced a big result.
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I don't see why his manners are such a thing. Its not like Destiny would bad manner any more than Idra would on stage. Online games are very different thing, and manners kind of don't matter that much when you have a slight feeling of anonymity - the fact that Destiny doesn't actually have to see the people he BMS. anyways, I think that aspect of Destiny, his funny BM side is what makes so many people watch him.
His is pretty skilled as well... I hope he gets picked up eventually by a team. I know he doesn't want to, but I feel that in order to win something big he needs to get some practice partners, team support etc etc. I believe he can do it though, win an MLG in 2012! Here's to you Destiny!
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So are EG's other players all 9s/10s in Alex's book? I have a feeling Alex, just like many outspoken deniers of Destiny, feel threatened by him and make excuses like his personality get in the way; especially his honesty, which we all know bosses hate. The fact that he has beaten top Korean/Foreign players straight up and on the ladder should be an indicator he is a top tier player now. I don't think EGAlex can say all his players post better tournament/game records than Destiny either. As a business man, EGAlex I have to say is retarded. You mean to say you won't take the most prolific streamer on TL to your team because he's honest? Ever see what happens to someone's website when Steven mentions them?
I give him an 8, because he can hold his own against tier 1 players but his mechanics and adaptability are lacking. That's in no way to discredit his ability. If I have to compare his record to a Boxer or Nada, I have to give him an 8.
I would love to see Destiny on SlayerS. Not just to hang out with Cella, but as you may already know, Destiny has a reputation in Korea for his infestors. Not only would he be a great practice partner in that respect, but I think he could do well in GSL. Look at what Korea did for Jinro, QXC, Huk, Idra in BW/SC2, etc. Until another patch comes, you infestor whiners are gonna have to find a way to beat the Destiny style.
For those who complain about "racial slurs" from Destiny, I have never heard him be derogatory or bigoted towards anyone, on ladder or in a custom. In fact, he has gone through the trouble of responding to those allegations and analyzing in a logical way the use of offensive words. I have to say Destiny is much more mature intellectually than most SC2 pro gamers and people in general I have come across. For that, I highly value Destiny in the SC2 community and hope he can maintain a pro gaming career, with or without a team.
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I enjoy watching Destiny play, especially when he and CombatEX start going off on each other. But calling people racial or homophobic slurs is why he isnt wanted by any team and his marketability is low.
Infestors are broken, Infested Terrans more so than fungal IMO, but they need to be changed. To his credit Destiny is attempting to learn new play styles.
As for EG comments, thats a joke, when you have the low caliber of players on your roster you shouldnt make comments about someone who was beating most of your players on ladder. InControl only gets seeded at MLG because he had a semi-decent finish at one of the early MLGs with out Koreans or any decent players. He is a free win for anyone of decent skill and is a waste of a slot. I dont understand EG they keep buying new and great players yet they keep the garbage too, they need to trim the fat and create a solid roster, especially with PUMA/HUK/IdrA planning on going to Korea, so they can compete in the GSTL.
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On August 23 2011 10:22 Marsupian wrote:
First of all Destiny is not BM at all (sometimes against players like Deezer or Combat or when he gets cheesed really hard but thats it). He is one of the most manner players out there. The only thing that "hurts" his reputation is that he uses some strong language on his stream (but never with the aim to offend anyone) and he has some strong viewpoints that he doesn't mind sharing. I think people should take a chill pill, listen to what he actually says (not just the words he uses) and realize he is a great stand up guy with a good attitude.
If he doesn't mean it, why does he continue to use words that most people find very offensive? Its fine that Destiny is on some crusade to tell the world that using racist and homophobic slurs is ok if you don't mean it, but that excuse simply doesn't work in the real world, i don't know how old Destiny or his fans are, but this kind of stuff is usually something you grow out of once you stop being a teenager. There are more than enough words in the vocabulary to express everything you want without resorting to the few that actually hard long negative meanings, no one is forcing him to change but it is also clear to everyone that he is going to keep being treated as a child by any team as long as he acts and speaks like one.
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Destiny is a good player, he just doesn't have a lot of LAN experience. He can take games off anyone, and has proven himself to be better than some dedicated pro players like InControl (and to be honest, he's better than almost half of EG). But until he provides some tournament results, he'll be doubted.
I'd love to see him in NASL
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I don't think Destiny is an amazing player. However, I think he's better than Incontroll 7 days a week. Some players get to be considered S-class foreigners without showing results, and I think that's bull.
So, with that out of the way, there are definitely teams that he'd be good enough to play on.
HOWEVER. While he was on ROOT he was very, very contrary to his coach on stream several times, and he renegged on a contract after ROOT deformed. I would never hire Destiny to be on my team UNLESS there are some strict penalties in the contract for leaving prematurely.
EDIT: Grammar
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He's a very entertaining streamer. He is entertaining because of his random shenanigans and what not, not because of his skill. He beat Koreans who have no idea who he is or what his style is. I guarantee if he did a rematch against any of the notable Koreans you listed he would lose now that they know how to play against his style. Keep in mind I've been watching Destiny since before he was featured and still watch him now. He does interesting shit on his stream, but is a fairly weak player as far as "pro gamers" go.
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Destiny doesn't need to be on a progamer team or be the best in the world to make money doing what he does. Really, he could wallow in mediocrity while playing an entertaining style and taking the occasional game off a good player to maintain his current fanbase and stream viewership. I'm not saying he -does- wallow in mediocrity, but the way Destiny runs his shit means that his income is not directly proportional to his skill or results.
Also, any sponsored team should be leery to take on Destiny and/or Destiny leery of joining them, because any situation involving sponsors would add some level of censorship to the things Destiny would be "allowed" to say.
Destiny doesn't need a team to keep making bucks.
No team needs Destiny to improve or survive.
Him working as a sort of free agent is pretty cool, and I hope it stays that way 
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On August 23 2011 12:24 Oasx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 10:22 Marsupian wrote:
First of all Destiny is not BM at all (sometimes against players like Deezer or Combat or when he gets cheesed really hard but thats it). He is one of the most manner players out there. The only thing that "hurts" his reputation is that he uses some strong language on his stream (but never with the aim to offend anyone) and he has some strong viewpoints that he doesn't mind sharing. I think people should take a chill pill, listen to what he actually says (not just the words he uses) and realize he is a great stand up guy with a good attitude. If he doesn't mean it, why does he continue to use words that most people find very offensive? Its fine that Destiny is on some crusade to tell the world that using racist and homophobic slurs is ok if you don't mean it, but that excuse simply doesn't work in the real world, i don't know how old Destiny or his fans are, but this kind of stuff is usually something you grow out of once you stop being a teenager. There are more than enough words in the vocabulary to express everything you want without resorting to the few that actually hard long negative meanings, no one is forcing him to change but it is also clear to everyone that he is going to keep being treated as a child by any team as long as he acts and speaks like one.
Those words offend people because they choose to be offended. There's a million real problems in the World today that people could be putting that thought towards but they instead choose to become offended at a certain arrangement of letters.
That's literally all it is without intent behind it. That's something intelligent people understand, there really is no nicer way to say it than that. If you let words alone offend you without intent then you are not a smart person.
Of course, this is all my opinion. If this opinion makes me a child then so be it, I'll gladly embrace that title. I'm not going to speak for Destiny himself but I assume he feels the same way.
And just to preemptively dissuade any "on the job" comments from being posted -again-, it happens a lot, watching Basketball I've heard just about every person on my home team (The Lakers) say a racial slur, a homophobic slur and various other words and I'm pretty sure they aren't all racist homophobes, it isn't just my team either, or just that sport.
So just to review: If words offend you without ill intent behind them then that's your problem, not the person saying them. (If someone says the "N" word with malicious racial intent, I completely agree with you thought)
On August 23 2011 12:47 Shai wrote:
I don't think Destiny is an amazing player. However, I think he's better than Incontroll 7 days a week. Some players get to be considered S-class foreigners without showing results, and I think that's bull.
So, with that out of the way, there are definitely teams that he'd be good enough to play on.
HOWEVER. While he was on ROOT he was very, very contrary to his coach on stream several times, and he renegged on a contract after ROOT deformed. I would never hire Destiny to be on my team UNLESS there are some strict penalties in the contract for leaving prematurely.
EDIT: Grammar
I totally understand that this doesn't change that he backed out of his contract, but unless things changed dramatically he did it at least mostly to make sure the rest of the ROOT players were accepted without issue. Again, I fully understand how that impacts his potential recruitment by a team though.
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On August 23 2011 13:14 HereticSaint wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 12:24 Oasx wrote:On August 23 2011 10:22 Marsupian wrote:
First of all Destiny is not BM at all (sometimes against players like Deezer or Combat or when he gets cheesed really hard but thats it). He is one of the most manner players out there. The only thing that "hurts" his reputation is that he uses some strong language on his stream (but never with the aim to offend anyone) and he has some strong viewpoints that he doesn't mind sharing. I think people should take a chill pill, listen to what he actually says (not just the words he uses) and realize he is a great stand up guy with a good attitude. If he doesn't mean it, why does he continue to use words that most people find very offensive? Its fine that Destiny is on some crusade to tell the world that using racist and homophobic slurs is ok if you don't mean it, but that excuse simply doesn't work in the real world, i don't know how old Destiny or his fans are, but this kind of stuff is usually something you grow out of once you stop being a teenager. There are more than enough words in the vocabulary to express everything you want without resorting to the few that actually hard long negative meanings, no one is forcing him to change but it is also clear to everyone that he is going to keep being treated as a child by any team as long as he acts and speaks like one. Those words offend people because they choose to be offended. There's a million real problems in the World today that people could be putting that thought towards but they instead choose to become offended at a certain arrangement of letters. That's literally all it is without intent behind it. That's something intelligent people understand, there really is no nicer way to say it than that. If you let words alone offend you without intent then you are not a smart person. Of course, this is all my opinion. If this opinion makes me a child then so be it, I'll gladly embrace that title. I'm not going to speak for Destiny himself but I assume he feels the same way. And just to preemptively dissuade any "on the job" comments from being posted -again-, it happens a lot, watching Basketball I've heard just about every person on my home team (The Lakers) say a racial slur, a homophobic slur and various other words and I'm pretty sure they aren't all racist homophobes, it isn't just my team either, or just that sport. So just to review: If words offend you without ill intent behind them then that's your problem, not the person saying them. (If someone says the "N" word with malicious racial intent, I completely agree with you thought) Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 12:47 Shai wrote:
I don't think Destiny is an amazing player. However, I think he's better than Incontroll 7 days a week. Some players get to be considered S-class foreigners without showing results, and I think that's bull.
So, with that out of the way, there are definitely teams that he'd be good enough to play on.
HOWEVER. While he was on ROOT he was very, very contrary to his coach on stream several times, and he renegged on a contract after ROOT deformed. I would never hire Destiny to be on my team UNLESS there are some strict penalties in the contract for leaving prematurely.
EDIT: Grammar I totally understand that this doesn't change that he backed out of his contract, but unless things changed dramatically he did it at least mostly to make sure the rest of the ROOT players were accepted without issue. Again, I fully understand how that impacts his potential recruitment by a team though.
Mel Gibson supports this message: "I hope you're raped by a pack of niggers."
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On August 23 2011 12:24 Oasx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 10:22 Marsupian wrote:
First of all Destiny is not BM at all (sometimes against players like Deezer or Combat or when he gets cheesed really hard but thats it). He is one of the most manner players out there. The only thing that "hurts" his reputation is that he uses some strong language on his stream (but never with the aim to offend anyone) and he has some strong viewpoints that he doesn't mind sharing. I think people should take a chill pill, listen to what he actually says (not just the words he uses) and realize he is a great stand up guy with a good attitude. If he doesn't mean it, why does he continue to use words that most people find very offensive? Its fine that Destiny is on some crusade to tell the world that using racist and homophobic slurs is ok if you don't mean it, but that excuse simply doesn't work in the real world, i don't know how old Destiny or his fans are, but this kind of stuff is usually something you grow out of once you stop being a teenager. There are more than enough words in the vocabulary to express everything you want without resorting to the few that actually hard long negative meanings, no one is forcing him to change but it is also clear to everyone that he is going to keep being treated as a child by any team as long as he acts and speaks like one.
Either you don't understand sarcasm and wit or you can't detect it on the internet very well. I can understand the second reasoning. Wasn't it George Carlin that said "everything is funny"?
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What exactly is the point of this thread, other than expounding the marketability of Destiny? Does this really require a thread of itself; a somewhat roundabout way of advertisement that Destiny doesn't even seem to be interested in?
I'm just curious because there's quite a bit of arguing in here that really shouldn't exist. Especially the negative comments directed at Alex for answering a question in PM.
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The only reason Destiny beats Koreans is because his play is unique and not seen on the KR Ladder. Beating iNcontroL 4-3 is no big feat, seeing as how IdrA beat him 2-0 in MLG.
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On August 23 2011 13:23 JinDesu wrote:
What exactly is the point of this thread, other than expounding the marketability of Destiny? Does this really require a thread of itself; a somewhat roundabout way of advertisement that Destiny doesn't even seem to be interested in?
I'm just curious because there's quite a bit of arguing in here that really shouldn't exist. Especially the negative comments directed at Alex for answering a question in PM.
The point of this thread is to discuss Destiny as a player, not just his marketability, but also how good he is.
If Alex didn't want what he said to be analyzed he shouldn't have responded to a random PM without saying to keep something hush hush and if it's something he's willing to so easily part with then it must not be some big secret.
On August 23 2011 13:24 WebsblobTwo wrote:
The only reason Destiny beats Koreans is because his play is unique and not seen on the KR Ladder. Beating iNcontroL 4-3 is no big feat, seeing as how IdrA beat him 2-0 in MLG.
He has a unique style?! He must be awful! I do love, though, how IdrA beats him once and he's "bad", but he beats top Koreans once and it's "luck" or "omg unique playstyle, so gimmicky".
On August 23 2011 13:18 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 13:14 HereticSaint wrote:On August 23 2011 12:24 Oasx wrote:On August 23 2011 10:22 Marsupian wrote:
First of all Destiny is not BM at all (sometimes against players like Deezer or Combat or when he gets cheesed really hard but thats it). He is one of the most manner players out there. The only thing that "hurts" his reputation is that he uses some strong language on his stream (but never with the aim to offend anyone) and he has some strong viewpoints that he doesn't mind sharing. I think people should take a chill pill, listen to what he actually says (not just the words he uses) and realize he is a great stand up guy with a good attitude. If he doesn't mean it, why does he continue to use words that most people find very offensive? Its fine that Destiny is on some crusade to tell the world that using racist and homophobic slurs is ok if you don't mean it, but that excuse simply doesn't work in the real world, i don't know how old Destiny or his fans are, but this kind of stuff is usually something you grow out of once you stop being a teenager. There are more than enough words in the vocabulary to express everything you want without resorting to the few that actually hard long negative meanings, no one is forcing him to change but it is also clear to everyone that he is going to keep being treated as a child by any team as long as he acts and speaks like one. Those words offend people because they choose to be offended. There's a million real problems in the World today that people could be putting that thought towards but they instead choose to become offended at a certain arrangement of letters. That's literally all it is without intent behind it. That's something intelligent people understand, there really is no nicer way to say it than that. If you let words alone offend you without intent then you are not a smart person. Of course, this is all my opinion. If this opinion makes me a child then so be it, I'll gladly embrace that title. I'm not going to speak for Destiny himself but I assume he feels the same way. And just to preemptively dissuade any "on the job" comments from being posted -again-, it happens a lot, watching Basketball I've heard just about every person on my home team (The Lakers) say a racial slur, a homophobic slur and various other words and I'm pretty sure they aren't all racist homophobes, it isn't just my team either, or just that sport. So just to review: If words offend you without ill intent behind them then that's your problem, not the person saying them. (If someone says the "N" word with malicious racial intent, I completely agree with you thought) On August 23 2011 12:47 Shai wrote:
I don't think Destiny is an amazing player. However, I think he's better than Incontroll 7 days a week. Some players get to be considered S-class foreigners without showing results, and I think that's bull.
So, with that out of the way, there are definitely teams that he'd be good enough to play on.
HOWEVER. While he was on ROOT he was very, very contrary to his coach on stream several times, and he renegged on a contract after ROOT deformed. I would never hire Destiny to be on my team UNLESS there are some strict penalties in the contract for leaving prematurely.
EDIT: Grammar I totally understand that this doesn't change that he backed out of his contract, but unless things changed dramatically he did it at least mostly to make sure the rest of the ROOT players were accepted without issue. Again, I fully understand how that impacts his potential recruitment by a team though. Mel Gibson supports this message: "I hope you're raped by a pack of niggers."
Sounds like a good time, count me in! :D
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On August 23 2011 12:00 slytown wrote:
So are EG's other players all 9s/10s in Alex's book? I have a feeling Alex, just like many outspoken deniers of Destiny, feel threatened by him and make excuses like his personality get in the way; especially his honesty, which we all know bosses hate. The fact that he has beaten top Korean/Foreign players straight up and on the ladder should be an indicator he is a top tier player now. I don't think EGAlex can say all his players post better tournament/game records than Destiny either. As a business man, EGAlex I have to say is retarded. You mean to say you won't take the most prolific streamer on TL to your team because he's honest? Ever see what happens to someone's website when Steven mentions them?
I give him an 8, because he can hold his own against tier 1 players but his mechanics and adaptability are lacking. That's in no way to discredit his ability. If I have to compare his record to a Boxer or Nada, I have to give him an 8.
I would love to see Destiny on SlayerS. Not just to hang out with Cella, but as you may already know, Destiny has a reputation in Korea for his infestors. Not only would he be a great practice partner in that respect, but I think he could do well in GSL. Look at what Korea did for Jinro, QXC, Huk, Idra in BW/SC2, etc. Until another patch comes, you infestor whiners are gonna have to find a way to beat the Destiny style.
For those who complain about "racial slurs" from Destiny, I have never heard him be derogatory or bigoted towards anyone, on ladder or in a custom. In fact, he has gone through the trouble of responding to those allegations and analyzing in a logical way the use of offensive words. I have to say Destiny is much more mature intellectually than most SC2 pro gamers and people in general I have come across. For that, I highly value Destiny in the SC2 community and hope he can maintain a pro gaming career, with or without a team.
No. no nono ><
he would not win a match in code a, no chance.
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HuK???? lol
On August 22 2011 13:35 ShaperofDreams wrote:
according to these ratings how does inc rate? 3/10? 4/10? can't be higher than 4
in terms of skill it seems like destiny is being compared to the best players/koreans, so i guess inc is like 1/10, and idras like 6/10
and these are EG's best/most marketable players except for recent korean additions i think
<3 u inc/idra!
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On August 23 2011 13:29 HereticSaint wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 13:23 JinDesu wrote:
What exactly is the point of this thread, other than expounding the marketability of Destiny? Does this really require a thread of itself; a somewhat roundabout way of advertisement that Destiny doesn't even seem to be interested in?
I'm just curious because there's quite a bit of arguing in here that really shouldn't exist. Especially the negative comments directed at Alex for answering a question in PM. The point of this thread is to discuss Destiny as a player, not just his marketability, but also how good he is. If Alex didn't want what he said to be analyzed he shouldn't have responded to a random PM without saying to keep something hush hush and if it's something he's willing to so easily part with then it must not be some big secret. Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 13:24 WebsblobTwo wrote:
The only reason Destiny beats Koreans is because his play is unique and not seen on the KR Ladder. Beating iNcontroL 4-3 is no big feat, seeing as how IdrA beat him 2-0 in MLG. He has a unique style?! He must be awful! I do love, though, how IdrA beats him once and he's "bad", but he beats top Koreans once and it's "luck" or "omg unique playstyle, so gimmicky".
Which then brings me back to my point - is this even worth a thread on TL? I'm sure tons of people think he's special, and I've noticed tons of people don't think he's special, and I'm sure the TL mods would really appreciate people making a thread for whoever their hero is on the forums when it could have been a blog.
I don't think attacking Alex and his team is appropriate in this thread. His comments are his opinion, and disagreements do not automatically warrant insults (especially towards the weaker players on the team).
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Destiny wins these show matches against Koreans because they don't know his style, then Destiny goes to a LAN and everyone knows he's going to go mass infestor and so he never gets very far.
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