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[spoiler] On August 23 2011 06:09 Haegr9599 wrote:
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Furthermore, on the subject of the SotG hosts, specifically their success and their grounds to hate on Destiny, speficially Artosis and iNcontroL, who have not shown amazing results as of late, both are renowned BroodWar Players, which is arguably a much harder game than SC2, and neither of which are actually playing full time. Artosis is casting GSL, and iNcontrol just recently began to train full time again at the EG house w/ the rest of his teammates.
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To be fair I don't remember them hating on destiny (correct me on this point if I'm wrong). Every time I heard them mention Destiny and laughing about it was because of the notion that his fans thought he was top tier and was gonna get top 8 in the next mlg or something. It was more making fun of his "fans" than his person but that's just my perception of those situations
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On August 23 2011 08:13 Aquilla wrote:
I do think destiny has skill. He might not be a top level player but I don't think anyone can get up there practicing on the ladder. Joining a team pushes you over that hump with the practice partners and shared strategies.
I think destiny should be given a chance but the team should set strict guidelines on the kind of behavior they expect from him. SC2 pros are starting to become superstars and all superstars should know how to put on a face for the camera and for the public. Same thing with sixjaxMajor: he has some public faux pas but Artosis talks to him and major learns. Then again I don't know if Destiny is the type to accept rebuking or even rules.
I don't mind Destiny's "BM" so much but there are other things that are more pressing to change. We all know that Destiny is very outspoken but some things cross the line. For example, bashing race and/or religion. Saying things like "F*** the Koreans" or "Everyone knows relgion is a joke" on stream are things that make teams no want you.
In a youtube vido, Artosis gets asked: "What do you think about recruiting Destiny" at which he repies, making a face: "nooooooooo..... I dont want to..." sixjax has Major who has a reputation of BM but for Artosis to be that against Destiny shows that Destiny is on a different level.
Still i do believe that Destiny should be on a team. People say that he abuses infestors and that hes a 1 trick pony but why not? it works for him on the ladder and in most games. If he joins a team and participates in more major tournaments, I'm sure that he will become more versatile.
I'm sure if Destiny is willing to put in the effort and make sacrifices in his attitude then he can be a strong player on a strong team.
Good luck to Destiny
First of all Destiny is not BM at all (sometimes against players like Deezer or Combat or when he gets cheesed really hard but thats it). He is one of the most manner players out there. The only thing that "hurts" his reputation is that he uses some strong language on his stream (but never with the aim to offend anyone) and he has some strong viewpoints that he doesn't mind sharing. I think people should take a chill pill, listen to what he actually says (not just the words he uses) and realize he is a great stand up guy with a good attitude.
Maybe the reason Artosis reacted like that wasn't because of bm? Maybe he just didn't think Destiny was a good pickup from a talent point of view (maybe he had not seen his recent play?) Maybe he thought Destiny wouldn't fit well in the team? Maybe he knew Destiny didn't want to join a team and thus deemed it highly unlikely it would work out? That laugh could have meant a thousand things. It might just be him laughing at the question and how popular Destiny is so plz don't draw any conclusions from it.
I don't think Destiny should be on a team because at this point he clearly doesn't want to and you have to gel with the team to actually get anything out of it. He has some great friends on Col. which he can practice with and he plays on the Korean ladder. If he plays a lot that's enough practice already.
Also he hardly needs a team to become more versatile. Every build out there is pretty well known and he can easily practice playing standard if he wants to. He is also smart enough to "get" strategies, he doesn't need someone to teach them to him.
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Should be noted that he beat ST Ace and Bomber while they were playing with lag and infestor ling is extremely rare to see in Korea so they probably hadn't played against it before. Props to him for beating them, but it's not a hugely impressive result when you consider the context imo...
I agree with Alex's rating.
Realistically none of the teams in your poll would be signing him anytime soon
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no shame in losing to grubby,
wpwp
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Who is EG to decide whether someone is good or not, they only have idra for a chance to win anything
User was warned for this post
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On August 23 2011 10:28 asdfOu wrote:
Who is EG to decide whether someone is good or not, they only have idra for a chance to win anything
Yeah because HuK and Puma + Show Spoiler [IEM] +(who JUST won IEM this week lol)
Axslav got 4th at IPL; maybe not a huge achievement but an achievement nonetheless
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On August 23 2011 10:18 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 10:13 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 23 2011 10:04 vdale wrote:On August 23 2011 06:16 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 22 2011 18:54 vdale wrote:On August 22 2011 18:04 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 22 2011 17:51 enecateReAP wrote:On August 22 2011 17:28 Sfydjklm wrote:
destiny is the zerg equivalent of sjow/goody/elfi etc. No, not at all. He's more like the zerg equivilent of Sterling/incontrol etc. He's not a top tier player, he's good, but hes not top tier, Sjow has won SO many tournaments in Europe, if you're not recognising that, then don't use his name in a post o.O Goody won 3 tournaments just last month and consistantly wins/takes high ranking. Elfi, meh, maybe. Well Goody/Sjow/Elfi aren't particularity good at starcraft 2 but they all devised styles that allow them to overcome their shortcomings and compete at the highest level. No, just no. They are very good at starcraft 2, especially Goody and Sjow. Goody's and Sjow's multitasking is not as good as of other top players, but they are better than many other players on the highest level in terms of decision making (openings, building/unit placement, attack timings, expansion timings, unit movement, etc. <- all those things make you "good at starcraft 2"). yes, so same things as destiny He doesn't make up for his worse macro with his decision-making and wins tournament. But if you just wanted to say that his decision making is his strength .. ok, but I think it's a weird way to do so. Decision-making is also the strength of my gold-league friend, because he has worse macro than almost all of his opponents and he still manage to win 50% of the games. He must be the terran equivalent of Destiny. decision making is such a bad term. He makes up for his mechanical shortcomings by devising strategies that suit his style just like Goody and Sjow do. Winning tournaments, again, isnt a requirement when u play zerg. It took dimaga a year to win a major tournament despite being the best foreigner zerg for the most of that period. Lets shit on dimaga now. Before Dimaga won major tournaments, he constantly and insanely consistently got first/second/thirds at multiple weekly cups almost every single week. His achievements page on TLPD is 45 entries long. Destiny's isn't even 10% of that (though that is mostly due to him not entering in the cups) The point being Dimaga proved he was consistent and beating the top top level players long before he won a super major tournament
According to people in this thread, "Destiny is bad because he doesn't win tournaments"
In your post: "Dimaga hadn't won a tournament"
According to this thread: Dimaga is bad.
Haters going to hate, comparing Destiny to gold level players, beating so called "pro" players who consistently trash him over stream and even on TL in the past, having people laugh at the prospect of him being on their team when he's better than half the people on their team anyway. BM is not a valid reason, he doesn't BM as bad as half the people who have featured streams on TL, training isn't valid, he's been a good training partner in the past.
The one and only argument that you could use is hollow words without malicious intent behind them. OK guys. I haven't watched Destiny's stream in a few weeks but I went an checked it not to long ago and I didn't see him BM or even curse ONCE.
On August 23 2011 10:30 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 10:28 asdfOu wrote:
Who is EG to decide whether someone is good or not, they only have idra for a chance to win anything Yeah because HuK and Puma + Show Spoiler [IEM] +(who JUST won IEM this week lol) have no change of putting results on the table. Axslav got 4th at IPL; maybe not a huge achievement but an achievement nonetheless
You can't just snipe players and then start calling people garbage. Oh wow, they had money to grab some contracts up! Yay!
That would be like if I made an NBA team, had enough money to recruit Kobe, Lebron, Dwane, Dwight and someone else and just stated everyone else garbage. Stupid.
edit: Words are hard.
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On August 23 2011 10:26 Huggerz wrote:
Should be noted that he beat ST Ace and Bomber while they were playing with lag and infestor ling is extremely rare to see in Korea so they probably hadn't played against it before. Props to him for beating them, but it's not a hugely impressive result when you consider the context imo...
I agree with Alex's rating.
Realistically none of the teams in your poll would be signing him anytime soon
I could see at least half of those teams signing Destiny, do you know how much money he makes? There is a reason he was featured on teamliquid when they noticed how many hits they wouldn't get -quite the booster at the forums and such either.
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On August 23 2011 10:32 HereticSaint wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 10:18 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote:On August 23 2011 10:13 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 23 2011 10:04 vdale wrote:On August 23 2011 06:16 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 22 2011 18:54 vdale wrote:On August 22 2011 18:04 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 22 2011 17:51 enecateReAP wrote:On August 22 2011 17:28 Sfydjklm wrote:
destiny is the zerg equivalent of sjow/goody/elfi etc. No, not at all. He's more like the zerg equivilent of Sterling/incontrol etc. He's not a top tier player, he's good, but hes not top tier, Sjow has won SO many tournaments in Europe, if you're not recognising that, then don't use his name in a post o.O Goody won 3 tournaments just last month and consistantly wins/takes high ranking. Elfi, meh, maybe. Well Goody/Sjow/Elfi aren't particularity good at starcraft 2 but they all devised styles that allow them to overcome their shortcomings and compete at the highest level. No, just no. They are very good at starcraft 2, especially Goody and Sjow. Goody's and Sjow's multitasking is not as good as of other top players, but they are better than many other players on the highest level in terms of decision making (openings, building/unit placement, attack timings, expansion timings, unit movement, etc. <- all those things make you "good at starcraft 2"). yes, so same things as destiny He doesn't make up for his worse macro with his decision-making and wins tournament. But if you just wanted to say that his decision making is his strength .. ok, but I think it's a weird way to do so. Decision-making is also the strength of my gold-league friend, because he has worse macro than almost all of his opponents and he still manage to win 50% of the games. He must be the terran equivalent of Destiny. decision making is such a bad term. He makes up for his mechanical shortcomings by devising strategies that suit his style just like Goody and Sjow do. Winning tournaments, again, isnt a requirement when u play zerg. It took dimaga a year to win a major tournament despite being the best foreigner zerg for the most of that period. Lets shit on dimaga now. Before Dimaga won major tournaments, he constantly and insanely consistently got first/second/thirds at multiple weekly cups almost every single week. His achievements page on TLPD is 45 entries long. Destiny's isn't even 10% of that (though that is mostly due to him not entering in the cups) The point being Dimaga proved he was consistent and beating the top top level players long before he won a super major tournament According to people in this thread, "Destiny is bad because he doesn't win tournaments" In your post: "Dimaga hadn't won a tournament" According to this thread: Dimaga is bad. Haters going to hate, comparing Destiny to gold level players, beating so called "pro" players who consistently trash him over stream and even on TL in the past, having people laugh at the prospect of him being on their team when he's better than half the people on their team anyway. BM is not a valid reason, he doesn't BM as bad as half the people who have featured streams on TL, training isn't valid, he's been a good training partner in the past. The one and only argument that you could use is hollow words without malicious intent behind them. OK guys. I haven't watched Destiny's stream in a few weeks but I went an checked it not to long ago and I didn't see him BM or even curse ONCE.
i think people are saying destiny does not have any achievements because he hasn't won any tournaments, not that he is bad. i think destiny is decent even without the tournament wins. i think his play has plateaued though because he doesn't have consistent practice partners and uses streamed laddering as his main source of play (most likely because of the necessary income, so no shame in this). i also think he could get on a team if he wants, but why would he? he is likely making more income than most players through his streaming; what will a team bring him if income is what he is looking for?
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On August 23 2011 10:37 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 10:32 HereticSaint wrote:On August 23 2011 10:18 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote:On August 23 2011 10:13 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 23 2011 10:04 vdale wrote:On August 23 2011 06:16 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 22 2011 18:54 vdale wrote:On August 22 2011 18:04 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 22 2011 17:51 enecateReAP wrote:On August 22 2011 17:28 Sfydjklm wrote:
destiny is the zerg equivalent of sjow/goody/elfi etc. No, not at all. He's more like the zerg equivilent of Sterling/incontrol etc. He's not a top tier player, he's good, but hes not top tier, Sjow has won SO many tournaments in Europe, if you're not recognising that, then don't use his name in a post o.O Goody won 3 tournaments just last month and consistantly wins/takes high ranking. Elfi, meh, maybe. Well Goody/Sjow/Elfi aren't particularity good at starcraft 2 but they all devised styles that allow them to overcome their shortcomings and compete at the highest level. No, just no. They are very good at starcraft 2, especially Goody and Sjow. Goody's and Sjow's multitasking is not as good as of other top players, but they are better than many other players on the highest level in terms of decision making (openings, building/unit placement, attack timings, expansion timings, unit movement, etc. <- all those things make you "good at starcraft 2"). yes, so same things as destiny He doesn't make up for his worse macro with his decision-making and wins tournament. But if you just wanted to say that his decision making is his strength .. ok, but I think it's a weird way to do so. Decision-making is also the strength of my gold-league friend, because he has worse macro than almost all of his opponents and he still manage to win 50% of the games. He must be the terran equivalent of Destiny. decision making is such a bad term. He makes up for his mechanical shortcomings by devising strategies that suit his style just like Goody and Sjow do. Winning tournaments, again, isnt a requirement when u play zerg. It took dimaga a year to win a major tournament despite being the best foreigner zerg for the most of that period. Lets shit on dimaga now. Before Dimaga won major tournaments, he constantly and insanely consistently got first/second/thirds at multiple weekly cups almost every single week. His achievements page on TLPD is 45 entries long. Destiny's isn't even 10% of that (though that is mostly due to him not entering in the cups) The point being Dimaga proved he was consistent and beating the top top level players long before he won a super major tournament According to people in this thread, "Destiny is bad because he doesn't win tournaments" In your post: "Dimaga hadn't won a tournament" According to this thread: Dimaga is bad. Haters going to hate, comparing Destiny to gold level players, beating so called "pro" players who consistently trash him over stream and even on TL in the past, having people laugh at the prospect of him being on their team when he's better than half the people on their team anyway. BM is not a valid reason, he doesn't BM as bad as half the people who have featured streams on TL, training isn't valid, he's been a good training partner in the past. The one and only argument that you could use is hollow words without malicious intent behind them. OK guys. I haven't watched Destiny's stream in a few weeks but I went an checked it not to long ago and I didn't see him BM or even curse ONCE. i think people are saying destiny does not have any achievements because he hasn't won any tournaments, not that he is bad. i think destiny is decent even without the tournament wins. i think his play has plateaued though because he doesn't have consistent practice partners and uses streamed laddering as his main source of play (most likely because of the necessary income, so no shame in this). i also think he could get on a team if he wants, but why would he? he is likely making more income than most players through his streaming; what will a team bring him if income is what he is looking for?
I agree there's a good chance he doesn't want to be on a team even now and that's fine. I don't agree with all the hate he gets towards him though, like I said I haven't even been watching his stream in long while but people talk so much mad shit about him and most of it is exaggerations, lies or hearsay and I feel the need to defend him because I doubt he'd come to his own defense, not that he should or has too.
But really, comparing Destiny to gold level players, really?
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On August 23 2011 10:18 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 10:13 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 23 2011 10:04 vdale wrote:On August 23 2011 06:16 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 22 2011 18:54 vdale wrote:On August 22 2011 18:04 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 22 2011 17:51 enecateReAP wrote:On August 22 2011 17:28 Sfydjklm wrote:
destiny is the zerg equivalent of sjow/goody/elfi etc. No, not at all. He's more like the zerg equivilent of Sterling/incontrol etc. He's not a top tier player, he's good, but hes not top tier, Sjow has won SO many tournaments in Europe, if you're not recognising that, then don't use his name in a post o.O Goody won 3 tournaments just last month and consistantly wins/takes high ranking. Elfi, meh, maybe. Well Goody/Sjow/Elfi aren't particularity good at starcraft 2 but they all devised styles that allow them to overcome their shortcomings and compete at the highest level. No, just no. They are very good at starcraft 2, especially Goody and Sjow. Goody's and Sjow's multitasking is not as good as of other top players, but they are better than many other players on the highest level in terms of decision making (openings, building/unit placement, attack timings, expansion timings, unit movement, etc. <- all those things make you "good at starcraft 2"). yes, so same things as destiny He doesn't make up for his worse macro with his decision-making and wins tournament. But if you just wanted to say that his decision making is his strength .. ok, but I think it's a weird way to do so. Decision-making is also the strength of my gold-league friend, because he has worse macro than almost all of his opponents and he still manage to win 50% of the games. He must be the terran equivalent of Destiny. decision making is such a bad term. He makes up for his mechanical shortcomings by devising strategies that suit his style just like Goody and Sjow do. Winning tournaments, again, isnt a requirement when u play zerg. It took dimaga a year to win a major tournament despite being the best foreigner zerg for the most of that period. Lets shit on dimaga now. Before Dimaga won major tournaments, he constantly and insanely consistently got first/second/thirds at multiple weekly cups almost every single week. His achievements page on TLPD is 45 entries long. Destiny's isn't even 10% of that (though that is mostly due to him not entering in the cups) The point being Dimaga proved he was consistent and beating the top top level players long before he won a super major tournament
i think beating koreans pros who crushed foreigners at LAN events in bomber, ace, rain and so on is a pretty good proof of consistency.
Point is destiny is as consistent as a zerg can be in teh brief period of time taht he has burst onto the scene.
And i wasn't comparing Dimaga to Destiny, i was just pointing out that it is very hard to win tournaments as Zerg. Go compare kas's list of victories to dimagas. It's 62 entries and his moment in the spotlight began much later then Dimaga's.
U people are so good at switching subjects at will;;
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On August 23 2011 10:32 HereticSaint wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 10:18 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote:On August 23 2011 10:13 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 23 2011 10:04 vdale wrote:On August 23 2011 06:16 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 22 2011 18:54 vdale wrote:On August 22 2011 18:04 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 22 2011 17:51 enecateReAP wrote:On August 22 2011 17:28 Sfydjklm wrote:
destiny is the zerg equivalent of sjow/goody/elfi etc. No, not at all. He's more like the zerg equivilent of Sterling/incontrol etc. He's not a top tier player, he's good, but hes not top tier, Sjow has won SO many tournaments in Europe, if you're not recognising that, then don't use his name in a post o.O Goody won 3 tournaments just last month and consistantly wins/takes high ranking. Elfi, meh, maybe. Well Goody/Sjow/Elfi aren't particularity good at starcraft 2 but they all devised styles that allow them to overcome their shortcomings and compete at the highest level. No, just no. They are very good at starcraft 2, especially Goody and Sjow. Goody's and Sjow's multitasking is not as good as of other top players, but they are better than many other players on the highest level in terms of decision making (openings, building/unit placement, attack timings, expansion timings, unit movement, etc. <- all those things make you "good at starcraft 2"). yes, so same things as destiny He doesn't make up for his worse macro with his decision-making and wins tournament. But if you just wanted to say that his decision making is his strength .. ok, but I think it's a weird way to do so. Decision-making is also the strength of my gold-league friend, because he has worse macro than almost all of his opponents and he still manage to win 50% of the games. He must be the terran equivalent of Destiny. decision making is such a bad term. He makes up for his mechanical shortcomings by devising strategies that suit his style just like Goody and Sjow do. Winning tournaments, again, isnt a requirement when u play zerg. It took dimaga a year to win a major tournament despite being the best foreigner zerg for the most of that period. Lets shit on dimaga now. Before Dimaga won major tournaments, he constantly and insanely consistently got first/second/thirds at multiple weekly cups almost every single week. His achievements page on TLPD is 45 entries long. Destiny's isn't even 10% of that (though that is mostly due to him not entering in the cups) The point being Dimaga proved he was consistent and beating the top top level players long before he won a super major tournament According to people in this thread, "Destiny is bad because he doesn't win tournaments" In your post: "Dimaga hadn't won a tournament" According to this thread: Dimaga is bad. Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 10:30 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote:On August 23 2011 10:28 asdfOu wrote:
Who is EG to decide whether someone is good or not, they only have idra for a chance to win anything Yeah because HuK and Puma + Show Spoiler [IEM] +(who JUST won IEM this week lol) have no change of putting results on the table. Axslav got 4th at IPL; maybe not a huge achievement but an achievement nonetheless You can't just snipe players and then start calling people garbage. Oh wow, they had money to grab some contracts up! Yay! That would be like if I made an NBA team, had enough team to recruit Kobe, Lebron, Dwane, Dwight and someone else and just started everyone else garbage. Stupid.
lol, I just said Dimaga won loads of tournaments with top tier players before he got a "major" result on the board (IEM)
And for the second quote... what? I was responding to the person saying that nobody on EG besides IdrA is good
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[spoiler] On August 23 2011 06:09 Haegr9599 wrote:
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Furthermore, on the subject of the SotG hosts, specifically their success and their grounds to hate on Destiny, speficially Artosis and iNcontroL, who have not shown amazing results as of late, both are renowned BroodWar Players, which is arguably a much harder game than SC2, and neither of which are actually playing full time. Artosis is casting GSL, and iNcontrol just recently began to train full time again at the EG house w/ the rest of his teammates.
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People arent arguing that BroodWar was harder on the level that Inc and Artosis played. People are arguing it was harder on the pro level
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On August 23 2011 10:41 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 10:18 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote:On August 23 2011 10:13 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 23 2011 10:04 vdale wrote:On August 23 2011 06:16 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 22 2011 18:54 vdale wrote:On August 22 2011 18:04 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 22 2011 17:51 enecateReAP wrote:On August 22 2011 17:28 Sfydjklm wrote:
destiny is the zerg equivalent of sjow/goody/elfi etc. No, not at all. He's more like the zerg equivilent of Sterling/incontrol etc. He's not a top tier player, he's good, but hes not top tier, Sjow has won SO many tournaments in Europe, if you're not recognising that, then don't use his name in a post o.O Goody won 3 tournaments just last month and consistantly wins/takes high ranking. Elfi, meh, maybe. Well Goody/Sjow/Elfi aren't particularity good at starcraft 2 but they all devised styles that allow them to overcome their shortcomings and compete at the highest level. No, just no. They are very good at starcraft 2, especially Goody and Sjow. Goody's and Sjow's multitasking is not as good as of other top players, but they are better than many other players on the highest level in terms of decision making (openings, building/unit placement, attack timings, expansion timings, unit movement, etc. <- all those things make you "good at starcraft 2"). yes, so same things as destiny He doesn't make up for his worse macro with his decision-making and wins tournament. But if you just wanted to say that his decision making is his strength .. ok, but I think it's a weird way to do so. Decision-making is also the strength of my gold-league friend, because he has worse macro than almost all of his opponents and he still manage to win 50% of the games. He must be the terran equivalent of Destiny. decision making is such a bad term. He makes up for his mechanical shortcomings by devising strategies that suit his style just like Goody and Sjow do. Winning tournaments, again, isnt a requirement when u play zerg. It took dimaga a year to win a major tournament despite being the best foreigner zerg for the most of that period. Lets shit on dimaga now. Before Dimaga won major tournaments, he constantly and insanely consistently got first/second/thirds at multiple weekly cups almost every single week. His achievements page on TLPD is 45 entries long. Destiny's isn't even 10% of that (though that is mostly due to him not entering in the cups) The point being Dimaga proved he was consistent and beating the top top level players long before he won a super major tournament i think beating koreans pros who crushed foreigners at LAN events in bomber, ace, rain and so on is a pretty good proof of consistency.
He's beating bomber, rain, ace how consistently?
They've played what, 2 games a piece aside from rain? Consistency is the ability to beat players over and over and over and over again. Look at destiny's TLPD; He is beating an awesome player 1 minute and losing to a person I've never heard of the next. Dimaga has played hundreds of games and come out with an awesome record against top tier players in multiple matches and tournaments
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On August 23 2011 10:45 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 10:41 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 23 2011 10:18 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote:On August 23 2011 10:13 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 23 2011 10:04 vdale wrote:On August 23 2011 06:16 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 22 2011 18:54 vdale wrote:On August 22 2011 18:04 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 22 2011 17:51 enecateReAP wrote:On August 22 2011 17:28 Sfydjklm wrote:
destiny is the zerg equivalent of sjow/goody/elfi etc. No, not at all. He's more like the zerg equivilent of Sterling/incontrol etc. He's not a top tier player, he's good, but hes not top tier, Sjow has won SO many tournaments in Europe, if you're not recognising that, then don't use his name in a post o.O Goody won 3 tournaments just last month and consistantly wins/takes high ranking. Elfi, meh, maybe. Well Goody/Sjow/Elfi aren't particularity good at starcraft 2 but they all devised styles that allow them to overcome their shortcomings and compete at the highest level. No, just no. They are very good at starcraft 2, especially Goody and Sjow. Goody's and Sjow's multitasking is not as good as of other top players, but they are better than many other players on the highest level in terms of decision making (openings, building/unit placement, attack timings, expansion timings, unit movement, etc. <- all those things make you "good at starcraft 2"). yes, so same things as destiny He doesn't make up for his worse macro with his decision-making and wins tournament. But if you just wanted to say that his decision making is his strength .. ok, but I think it's a weird way to do so. Decision-making is also the strength of my gold-league friend, because he has worse macro than almost all of his opponents and he still manage to win 50% of the games. He must be the terran equivalent of Destiny. decision making is such a bad term. He makes up for his mechanical shortcomings by devising strategies that suit his style just like Goody and Sjow do. Winning tournaments, again, isnt a requirement when u play zerg. It took dimaga a year to win a major tournament despite being the best foreigner zerg for the most of that period. Lets shit on dimaga now. Before Dimaga won major tournaments, he constantly and insanely consistently got first/second/thirds at multiple weekly cups almost every single week. His achievements page on TLPD is 45 entries long. Destiny's isn't even 10% of that (though that is mostly due to him not entering in the cups) The point being Dimaga proved he was consistent and beating the top top level players long before he won a super major tournament i think beating koreans pros who crushed foreigners at LAN events in bomber, ace, rain and so on is a pretty good proof of consistency. He's beating bomber, rain, ace how consistently? They've played what, 2 games a piece aside from rain? Consistency is the ability to beat players over and over and over and over again. Look at destiny's TLPD; He is beating an awesome player 1 minute and losing to a person I've never heard of the next. Dimaga has played hundreds of games and come out with an awesome record against top tier players in multiple matches and tournaments
I edited more into the post u quoted because for a second there i forgot that you brought up a completely unrelated point.
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I'd love to see him take on FXO, as there the foreigner team taking on the koreans in the GSL ATM, i'd love to see him strut his stuff against them.
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EG.HuK is just not the same as Liquid`HuK ]=
Heart Broken</3
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On August 23 2011 10:47 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 10:45 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote:On August 23 2011 10:41 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 23 2011 10:18 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote:On August 23 2011 10:13 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 23 2011 10:04 vdale wrote:On August 23 2011 06:16 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 22 2011 18:54 vdale wrote:On August 22 2011 18:04 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 22 2011 17:51 enecateReAP wrote:
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No, not at all.
He's more like the zerg equivilent of Sterling/incontrol etc.
He's not a top tier player, he's good, but hes not top tier, Sjow has won SO many tournaments in Europe, if you're not recognising that, then don't use his name in a post o.O
Goody won 3 tournaments just last month and consistantly wins/takes high ranking.
Elfi, meh, maybe. Well Goody/Sjow/Elfi aren't particularity good at starcraft 2 but they all devised styles that allow them to overcome their shortcomings and compete at the highest level. No, just no. They are very good at starcraft 2, especially Goody and Sjow. Goody's and Sjow's multitasking is not as good as of other top players, but they are better than many other players on the highest level in terms of decision making (openings, building/unit placement, attack timings, expansion timings, unit movement, etc. <- all those things make you "good at starcraft 2"). yes, so same things as destiny He doesn't make up for his worse macro with his decision-making and wins tournament. But if you just wanted to say that his decision making is his strength .. ok, but I think it's a weird way to do so. Decision-making is also the strength of my gold-league friend, because he has worse macro than almost all of his opponents and he still manage to win 50% of the games. He must be the terran equivalent of Destiny. decision making is such a bad term. He makes up for his mechanical shortcomings by devising strategies that suit his style just like Goody and Sjow do. Winning tournaments, again, isnt a requirement when u play zerg. It took dimaga a year to win a major tournament despite being the best foreigner zerg for the most of that period. Lets shit on dimaga now. Before Dimaga won major tournaments, he constantly and insanely consistently got first/second/thirds at multiple weekly cups almost every single week. His achievements page on TLPD is 45 entries long. Destiny's isn't even 10% of that (though that is mostly due to him not entering in the cups) The point being Dimaga proved he was consistent and beating the top top level players long before he won a super major tournament i think beating koreans pros who crushed foreigners at LAN events in bomber, ace, rain and so on is a pretty good proof of consistency. He's beating bomber, rain, ace how consistently? They've played what, 2 games a piece aside from rain? Consistency is the ability to beat players over and over and over and over again. Look at destiny's TLPD; He is beating an awesome player 1 minute and losing to a person I've never heard of the next. Dimaga has played hundreds of games and come out with an awesome record against top tier players in multiple matches and tournaments I edited more into the post u quoted because for a second there i forgot that you brought up a completely unrelated point.
I still think you're just using the zerg thing a hell of a lot more as a crutch than it really is
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On August 22 2011 15:14 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 14:54 Polskaa wrote:
No offence
Strifeco
Machine
Axlav
have no point to be on EG
Destiny outstages them by a longshot
especially Strifeco Axslav beat Destiny at IPL. Destiny may be more popular but you can't just say he's better. I'd say Axslav, DeMu, and InControl are all within hitting range of Destiny in terms of skill level (all about equal), with Strifecro a step behind (and Machine and Lz about 50,000 steps behind). That's not the point though. For those who say Destiny and Idra are similar... well, they're both Zergs, both pretty good, both BM... but... 1) Idra is a better player. This is not debatable. Destiny took some games off great players but hasn't posted any real results. Idra, on the other hand, has won MLGs, still consistently finishes as a top 3 foreigner in MLG even with the Koreans around, had some decent Code S finishes, won IPL, etc. etc. 2) Idra is more valuable to EG in terms of marketability. When EG says Destiny's marketability is low, they mean it. Destiny is a popular player, but seeing as how the deal with Complexity didn't work out, we can assume that Destiny does not want to be doing non-game or coach related things. Idra is willing to show up on shows like Imbalanced, that DJWheat show (I don't watch these, sorry... don't know the name... Inside the Game?), and is willing to cast EG's team league and other things.
On August 22 2011 18:54 vdale wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 18:04 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 22 2011 17:51 enecateReAP wrote:On August 22 2011 17:28 Sfydjklm wrote:
destiny is the zerg equivalent of sjow/goody/elfi etc. No, not at all. He's more like the zerg equivilent of Sterling/incontrol etc. He's not a top tier player, he's good, but hes not top tier, Sjow has won SO many tournaments in Europe, if you're not recognising that, then don't use his name in a post o.O Goody won 3 tournaments just last month and consistantly wins/takes high ranking. Elfi, meh, maybe. Well Goody/Sjow/Elfi aren't particularity good at starcraft 2 but they all devised styles that allow them to overcome their shortcomings and compete at the highest level. No, just no. They are very good at starcraft 2, especially Goody and Sjow. Goody's and Sjow's multitasking is not as good as of other top players, but they are better than many other players on the highest level in terms of decision making (openings, building/unit placement, attack timings, expansion timings, unit movement, etc. <- all those things make you "good at starcraft 2").
Are you people out of your fucking minds ?
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Meh, I voted a 4 in terms of skill. One can not say that because he is good at 1, yes 1, strat, that he is a developed player. He's just not that good in my opinion.
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