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On July 06 2011 13:52 TheGreenBee wrote:Server: EU Your Name: Mojo Hacker Name: EGskitzo Replay: http://www.2shared.com/file/SP6jLCoj/map_hack.htmlDescription: - On metalopolis - Sends ovie straight to my base. Never scouted again. - Without scouting, randomly makes banelings just in time to defend against marine push - Without scouting, randomly sends whole army to third to defend against unseen hellions. TWO times.- Some less obvious ones like preparing to attacking me outside of my natural when he hasn't even scouted it.
Ok, starting analysis:
+ Show Spoiler + The overlord scout at the beginning - strange, but the more and more I look at him he is just not a very good player. The other things can be connected to this too... until:
-7:35 minute mark - reacts before seeing your marines. Alarm bells from my side.
-err... 9:57 - his point of view is on his natural for quite some time now, he doesn't have his queens hotkeyed and suddenly the queen in his main injects? To me - already confirmed maphack with camera lock, unless there's some trick to larva injecting that I couldn't read about (checked(my queens usually are 5/6/7 when I play as zerg (random top diamond am I)))
-13:58-14:20 - lol I guess he forgot he was trying not to look suspicious.
-15:37-15:53 - 1st, he reacts a second before seeing your hellions, 2nd - he was trying to micro his mutas... and througout the whole instance his camera was frozen on his lings? lol again.
-20:13 - ESP reaction No3 = 100% confirmed to me
And could you stop with the spam guys? You are making it hard to actually try and look for maphacker replays -_-
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On July 06 2011 19:04 Zorgaz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 18:53 RedTerror wrote:On July 06 2011 16:43 Healingpr00f wrote:Even if they were different people that doesnt change the fact that you're a drophacker. Coincidents like that doesnt happen. It's like me starring at your base in the fog of war 20 times in a game, blind countering everything you do and then afterwards i create/ask 5friends to post that im not a maphacker and that it was just a coincidence. One drop doesn't prove anything. I've been in a game where I was about to lose and my opponent has dropped, it doesn't make me a hacker. This is true, but when you get dropped by Drophackers its looks different then just dropping cause of B.net issues or your internet. The lagg is also way weirder, and also the replay will have the lags. And Wtf is with this Placebo320 dude? Do you seriously think 10+ accounts, some with less then 10 posts saying ''Placebo320 is a cool bro, no hacker'' not saying he is one, just saying that it doesn't strengthen his case.... 
Please read previous posts. He didn't make any accounts other than his Placebo320 account. I've been into ladder games that my opponents were suddenly being dropped or leaving the game.
@Healingproof: You just can't prove anything with the replay only, He already gaved his match history and yet you are giving those reasons just to prove you are right,
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On July 06 2011 17:59 Anthodeus wrote:Server: EU Your Name: Anthodeus Hacker Name: Savior Replay: http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=download&&id=219895Description: For the record, I play as random, so he wouldn't have know what race i am at the start. In spite of that, he goes 1 rax fe, Let's say this may just be a build against any rush that he figured out or something. Next comes the part where he gets his engineering bay up as soon as he "sees" the starports ( for the record, he never scouted ONCE), yet he still didn't stop there. On all of my air atacks, he just dragged all of his army to the area where i would atack from (despite him having no sensor towers). I've looked at what we call "Weak evidence for hacks"). There's the rule with not mattering if he looks at your base through fog, because he is just looking at what he scouted. Well, the only thing he could see was a blank area. In fact, he didn't even know where i actually was. He glanced twice from 6:15 to 6:25 at my base after already preparing that missile turret. Just a reminder, he didn't know my race until my hellion came knocking. I told him after the game that he had hacks, and he agreed... I mean using them is one thing, admitting is another. Replay should speak for itself anyway.
+ Show Spoiler + -Not walling off, not scouting, but still playing like you'd play vs terran is already a huge tell, but...
-5:00 just a quick peek, like 0.5 secs to your starports
-6:15-6:25 several quick peeks - hmm, he only peeks towards your base, that's weird :D
-8:15-8:20 how innocently he panned around his base, then boxed his army and moved out.. toward your incoming units.
-9:27-9:35 - another case of "spider senses tingling"... stopping to watch the replay. To me - confirmed.
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On July 06 2011 19:35 AysiktiriX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 13:52 TheGreenBee wrote:Server: EU Your Name: Mojo Hacker Name: EGskitzo Replay: http://www.2shared.com/file/SP6jLCoj/map_hack.htmlDescription: - On metalopolis - Sends ovie straight to my base. Never scouted again. - Without scouting, randomly makes banelings just in time to defend against marine push - Without scouting, randomly sends whole army to third to defend against unseen hellions. TWO times.- Some less obvious ones like preparing to attacking me outside of my natural when he hasn't even scouted it. Ok, starting analysis: + Show Spoiler + The overlord scout at the beginning - strange, but the more and more I look at him he is just not a very good player. The other things can be connected to this too... until:
-7:35 minute mark - reacts before seeing your marines. Alarm bells from my side.
-err... 9:57 - his point of view is on his natural for quite some time now, he doesn't have his queens hotkeyed and suddenly the queen in his main injects? To me - already confirmed maphack with camera lock, unless there's some trick to larva injecting that I couldn't read about (checked(my queens usually are 5/6/7 when I play as zerg (random top diamond am I)))
-13:58-14:20 - lol I guess he forgot he was trying not to look suspicious.
-15:37-15:53 - 1st, he reacts a second before seeing your hellions, 2nd - he was trying to micro his mutas... and througout the whole instance his camera was frozen on his lings? lol again.
-20:13 - ESP reaction No3 = 100% confirmed to me
And could you stop with the spam guys? You are making it hard to actually try and look for maphacker replays -_-
So i watched the rep, and i really dont find any hard proof that he is hacking.
There are a couple of incidents where he moves his lings/blings before he seens an actual attack but comeon.. i bet i could find hundreds of those incidents in my own replays (and FYI i dont hack). I really really think you need more than this. I would put it at maybe a 5% chance he is a hacker (or less) and for me i need 99% before i will make judgement.
The burden of proof should be on the guy calling hack.
And one more thing i just remembered, at one point he looks at the gold expo through the fog of war for a while. This would again indicate a hack if there had been blue units moving around there - but there was none. Had there -by random chance - been a hellion or whatever you would use that as evidence of his hacking. Just think about it.
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On July 06 2011 19:35 Arkanthiel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 18:52 Healingpr00f wrote:
You even typed "fu" (=fuck you) in rage.
User was warned for this post http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ffuuShow nested quote +On July 06 2011 18:52 Healingpr00f wrote:
And to everyone defending him, please stop, you're making yourself look really dumb. He's obviously not going to laghack you, he's laghacking this 1base all in terran. Atleast look at the effing replay, its so obvious it makes me want to cry. If this guy gets put off the list for drophacking you might aswell remove the r1 NA player aswell as they're both equally drophacking. I mean wake the fuck up, the hackers victim even says himself that his internet besides this was fine. And @placebo, you seem to have a horrible personality, whining on "dont ruin my reputation". If you don't want to ruin your reputation, don't drop hack. That's my advice.
User was warned for this post I know Placeebo iRL and he doesnt hack. You're just QQing from one game. You're the one who's making a big deal with it. Check his previous matches. Also the usual time for drop hacked games is 8 seconds. Obviously that's not 5-10 minutes. Right? http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/110945/1/MskiArkanthl/
I don't know what drop hacks you've been victim of. I've been victim of drophacks several times from 4different accounts on NA and it takes far longer than 8seconds lol. Even inctonrol and destiny who streams it takes more than 5minutes. Which looks the same as the one Piano was victim of. Anyways i was warned so w/e im going to stop arguing. The warning led something like "1 game isnt enough proof" - ok. 1replay of maphack is enough, most people whos on this list for drophacking is also for 1report. but when you have 10people to back you up, you can't prove it no matter how obvious it is. Will leave this thread now, bye. (placebo, you disguist me btw)
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I think this thread is really getting out of hand.
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On July 06 2011 20:39 Healingpr00f wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 19:35 Arkanthiel wrote:On July 06 2011 18:52 Healingpr00f wrote:
You even typed "fu" (=fuck you) in rage.
User was warned for this post http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ffuuOn July 06 2011 18:52 Healingpr00f wrote:
And to everyone defending him, please stop, you're making yourself look really dumb. He's obviously not going to laghack you, he's laghacking this 1base all in terran. Atleast look at the effing replay, its so obvious it makes me want to cry. If this guy gets put off the list for drophacking you might aswell remove the r1 NA player aswell as they're both equally drophacking. I mean wake the fuck up, the hackers victim even says himself that his internet besides this was fine. And @placebo, you seem to have a horrible personality, whining on "dont ruin my reputation". If you don't want to ruin your reputation, don't drop hack. That's my advice.
User was warned for this post I know Placeebo iRL and he doesnt hack. You're just QQing from one game. You're the one who's making a big deal with it. Check his previous matches. Also the usual time for drop hacked games is 8 seconds. Obviously that's not 5-10 minutes. Right? http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/110945/1/MskiArkanthl/ I don't know what drop hacks you've been victim of. I've been victim of drophacks several times from 4different accounts on NA and it takes far longer than 8seconds lol.
Lagging so badly that your connection fails can ALSO take far longer than 8 seconds.
Even inctonrol and destiny who streams it takes more than 5minutes. Which looks the same as the one Piano was victim of. Anyways i was warned so w/e im going to stop arguing. The warning led something like "1 game isnt enough proof" - ok. 1replay of maphack is enough, most people whos on this list for drophacking is also for 1report. but when you have 10people to back you up, you can't prove it no matter how obvious it is. Will leave this thread now, bye. (placebo, you disguist me btw)
One dropped game isn't usually enough proof for a drophack, without some backup evidence (like some in-game chat saying 'I'm going to drop you', say), because it's just one single piece of very, very, circumstancial evidence.
Maphacking is a different story, because a single game action (a glance at the base/army through fog, for example) can provide evidence of maphacking, and a single replay file can contain many such actions, and that means that many pieces of circumstancial evidence of maphacking can be found in a single replay file (and you need a lot of circumstancial evidence if you don't have hard evidence of cheating, which is, unfortunately, quite rare).
Your case isn't helped by the fact that you waited until your third post accusing Placebo of cheating before stating "Oh my god. I just actually downloaded and looked at the replay.", suggesting that you're not overly picky about what you consider to be good evidence of hacking.
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On July 06 2011 20:24 Ao_Jun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 19:35 AysiktiriX wrote:On July 06 2011 13:52 TheGreenBee wrote:Server: EU Your Name: Mojo Hacker Name: EGskitzo Replay: http://www.2shared.com/file/SP6jLCoj/map_hack.htmlDescription: - On metalopolis - Sends ovie straight to my base. Never scouted again. - Without scouting, randomly makes banelings just in time to defend against marine push - Without scouting, randomly sends whole army to third to defend against unseen hellions. TWO times.- Some less obvious ones like preparing to attacking me outside of my natural when he hasn't even scouted it. Ok, starting analysis: + Show Spoiler + The overlord scout at the beginning - strange, but the more and more I look at him he is just not a very good player. The other things can be connected to this too... until:
-7:35 minute mark - reacts before seeing your marines. Alarm bells from my side.
-err... 9:57 - his point of view is on his natural for quite some time now, he doesn't have his queens hotkeyed and suddenly the queen in his main injects? To me - already confirmed maphack with camera lock, unless there's some trick to larva injecting that I couldn't read about (checked(my queens usually are 5/6/7 when I play as zerg (random top diamond am I)))
-13:58-14:20 - lol I guess he forgot he was trying not to look suspicious.
-15:37-15:53 - 1st, he reacts a second before seeing your hellions, 2nd - he was trying to micro his mutas... and througout the whole instance his camera was frozen on his lings? lol again.
-20:13 - ESP reaction No3 = 100% confirmed to me
And could you stop with the spam guys? You are making it hard to actually try and look for maphacker replays -_- So i watched the rep, and i really dont find any hard proof that he is hacking. There are a couple of incidents where he moves his lings/blings before he seens an actual attack but comeon.. i bet i could find hundreds of those incidents in my own replays (and FYI i dont hack). I really really think you need more than this. I would put it at maybe a 5% chance he is a hacker (or less) and for me i need 99% before i will make judgement. The burden of proof should be on the guy calling hack. And one more thing i just remembered, at one point he looks at the gold expo through the fog of war for a while. This would again indicate a hack if there had been blue units moving around there - but there was none. Had there -by random chance - been a hellion or whatever you would use that as evidence of his hacking. Just think about it.
I sit here and watch this whole replay, thinking to myself, I can easily explain away most of the odd occurrences. By the end of the replay I'm trying to justify away 8-10 minor things, which is either really unlucky that all of these things occur in the same game or we apply Occams Razor here and the solution with the least assumptions is that he is probably map hacking.
Things like running off up to his 3rd base with lings, he only does it twice throughout the entire game, and both times there just happens to be hellion pushes which he could not have known about.
Another "little thing", something the OP has actually pointed out, his ability to micro his units when they're not on the screen. This entire replay just plain stinks of one of those camera-lock map hacks, unless you honestly believe hes microing his units via the mini-map.
I have to go with my gut, along with the other things pointed out above, and say that EGskitzo is cheating. I encourage everyone to take a look at this game though, these are the hard cases that everyone needs to weigh in on, and really what this thread is about. Anyone can take one look at a blatant maphacker whos gazing through the fog every 20 seconds and say hes guilty.
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Funny how people like Placebo320 defnding theirselfes by making different accounts, or atleast call some freidns to make some accs here just to defend him.
I dont know if he's hacking, but it looks like it. No offense tho.
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On July 06 2011 22:48 NexCa wrote:
Funny how people like Placebo320 defnding theirselfes by making different accounts, or atleast call some freidns to make some accs here just to defend him.
I dont know if he's hacking, but it looks like it. No offense tho.
He didn't call us. We just don't like the idea of someone who has been with us for so long to lose his account because of a false accusation.
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On July 06 2011 23:07 ZenDeX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 22:48 NexCa wrote:
Funny how people like Placebo320 defnding theirselfes by making different accounts, or atleast call some freidns to make some accs here just to defend him.
I dont know if he's hacking, but it looks like it. No offense tho. He didn't call us. We just don't like the idea of someone who has been with us for so long to lose his account because of a false accusation.
You do realise that all you guys just spammed 2 pages, when all that was needed was a screenshot of his match history, or just to pm one of the antihack team and explain there? Keep this thread neat and tidy. I know I am noone, as to tell you this, but have some common sense.
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On July 06 2011 23:52 AysiktiriX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 23:07 ZenDeX wrote:On July 06 2011 22:48 NexCa wrote:
Funny how people like Placebo320 defnding theirselfes by making different accounts, or atleast call some freidns to make some accs here just to defend him.
I dont know if he's hacking, but it looks like it. No offense tho. He didn't call us. We just don't like the idea of someone who has been with us for so long to lose his account because of a false accusation. You do realise that all you guys just spammed 2 pages, when all that was needed was a screenshot of his match history, or just to pm one of the antihack team and explain there? Keep this thread neat and tidy. I know I am noone, as to tell you this, but have some common sense.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222975¤tpage=30#591
PS. I apologize for making people post/spam the last 2 pages.
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On July 06 2011 19:35 Arkanthiel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 18:52 Healingpr00f wrote:
You even typed "fu" (=fuck you) in rage.
User was warned for this post http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ffuuShow nested quote +On July 06 2011 18:52 Healingpr00f wrote:
And to everyone defending him, please stop, you're making yourself look really dumb. He's obviously not going to laghack you, he's laghacking this 1base all in terran. Atleast look at the effing replay, its so obvious it makes me want to cry. If this guy gets put off the list for drophacking you might aswell remove the r1 NA player aswell as they're both equally drophacking. I mean wake the fuck up, the hackers victim even says himself that his internet besides this was fine. And @placebo, you seem to have a horrible personality, whining on "dont ruin my reputation". If you don't want to ruin your reputation, don't drop hack. That's my advice.
User was warned for this post I know Placeebo iRL and he doesnt hack. You're just QQing from one game. You're the one who's making a big deal with it. Check his previous matches. Also the usual time for drop hacked games is 8 seconds. Obviously that's not 5-10 minutes. Right? http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/110945/1/MskiArkanthl/
Actually alot of drop hackers seem to play out the game for several minutes and only use the hack when it's certain they have lost.
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On July 06 2011 20:58 arb wrote:
I think this thread is really getting out of hand.
Blame the crazy drop-hacks going on. At least I do.
Sorry for the lack of official posts - between the three of us, a lot has been going on, but we're going to come back full swing and wrap up the recent reports in time for the end of the season. As I said before, I'm gathering all of our confirmed replays and will be handing them over to Blizzard's anti-cheat team...I've talked a little bit with a guy over there, but what they do with it from there is on them. Maybe we'll see another ban wave soon!
I'm going to ask those of you posting in defense of Placebo to please stop - the thread is already being spammed with drop-hack accusations and such, I understand your concern for a friend, however because some other people judge too quickly, does not mean we will.  Please PM this account if you REALLY must mention something, however you can trust us not to confirm someone who hasn't done anything wrong. And on the off chance we do, we're only a PM away and we listen to everyone. We all make mistakes.
Probe, Arb, and myself are going to work on cleaning things up here over the next couple days. Thanks to everyone who is making an effort to look at the replays in our absence - we appreciate it more than we can express!
PS: Blizzard please implement multiplayer replay viewing. It would make the Antihack team's job so much easier. :D
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On July 06 2011 18:24 Kevsta wrote:Server: NA Your Name: Kevsta Hacker Name: OMGLETSCYBER Replay: http://replayfu.com/download/3jQrssDescription: At 5:15 he lays down 2 spine crawlers. Keep in mind he has not scouted at all, he doesn't know where my base is, and doesn't know i just produced 2 hellions and there on their way to his base. At 7:41 he lays an evochamber down right when my banshee is on his way to his base.. At 13:45 he sends out a group of zerglings and right as im getting my third base built. Keep in mind he has no idea where my main is and doesn't have any scouting tools to let him know that i am taking a third. He has no overloards or other units parked at the third..he randomly sends out zerglings straight to the third to denie it. At 18:21 I have drop loaded up full of marines headed to his main and he sets all of his rally points to his main base. If you look at his vision, he doesn't see the drop coming. At 19:14 he decides to send all of his units to his third base ( top right base). My drop is in the very top..there is nothing to scout the drop at all and he kills the drop. At 20:52 I send a drop out to his main and he immediately sends his mutas to intercept the drop. If you look at his vision, you see none of my units at all. He blindly sends his mutas to the exact location of my drop. At 22:59 I send my whole army out for a push. He quickly sends all of his units to attack move right where my army is so that i can have time to siege up my units.. However he doesn't see my army move out if you look at his vision. He does that all blindly. At 24:02 he finally finds my main base after not paying attention with some idle corruptors. In summation, he blindly took out drop ships without any scouting, and countered hellions and banshees without a single scout, he also had no overloard spread throughout the map, he blindly attacked my third, and intercepted my army and it took him 24 minutes to scout where my main base was.
This guy is an obvious hacker he reacted to every army movement without even scouting the terran main base. He blind countered your early aggression which doesn't prove anything but with all of the other things he did blindly throughout the game make it pretty obvious. The drops and the muta`s are what make it most obvious to me. He blindly resets his rally points to where the drop is taking place, and the 20:52 muta intercept is pretty ridiculous. I would say its just a coincidence if it happened once but this guy did stuff over and over again blindly
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Definitely somewhat suspicious; there aren't any surreptitious fog of war peeks, but the player does singlemindedly proxy zealots straight into your base from your natural. A hacker wouldn't need to do more than look at the blobs on the minimap at that stage in the game.
It IS possible that the player decided to roll the dice and take a 1-in-3 chance, but I reckon there's a good chance that he's hacking. I'd really want more evidence though, before making an outright accusation.
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Can I make slight offtopic?
New maphacks have an integrated camera lock system, so this gives the hacker an opportunity to look at his opponents base without his camera being saved in the replay. Even selecting a building in fog of war is not visible in the replay.
There are also observer tabs which show everything from income to APM, and this makes even more difficult to track the hacker. Man, I wonder how many hackers I've already played with. :/
So, with hacks getting more and more undetectable, its likely that now there are a sh*tload of douchebags hacking freely without being detected. It's only up to the hacker if he makes something dumb like countering you perfectly or looking at your army at fog of war.
Just saying. Hope that Blizzard improves their Warden system and catch these motherf*ckin lamers. It's kinda tempting to know your a google search away from getting a hack, so thats the reason there is a surprising amount of hackers. Blizzard should also sue the multiple hacking forums, which so far, as I can see, are left untouched.
There are a lot of videos in Youtube, but I'm not going to post the link. Hope I don't get banned for this though.
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On July 07 2011 04:29 Aim Here wrote:Definitely somewhat suspicious; there aren't any surreptitious fog of war peeks, but the player does singlemindedly proxy zealots straight into your base from your natural. A hacker wouldn't need to do more than look at the blobs on the minimap at that stage in the game. It IS possible that the player decided to roll the dice and take a 1-in-3 chance, but I reckon there's a good chance that he's hacking. I'd really want more evidence though, before making an outright accusation.
I agree with all Aim Here said - unfortunately no solid evidence is present in this replay, even if the chance of a gamble is pretty slim. We need more replays of this guy.
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@placebo320 i know him irl, he doesn't hack. he can lag though lol, but that goes for everyone else in SEA.
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