EPTIdra Banned for 90 Days - Page 75
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ReeveR
Canada2 Posts
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oBlade
United States5765 Posts
On May 08 2011 23:58 Essbee wrote: Why is this kid still having fans? Idra is an adult, that's why moderation treats him like one and bans him when he deserves it. | ||
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Dag0N
Denmark25 Posts
I mean as "to single him out" publicly. | ||
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whiterabb1t
Belgium681 Posts
1. Idra feels he was cheated so he BMs about it 2. Chill gives him a 2 day ban 3. Idra tweets something that the mods assume is a passive aggressive attack (reasonable based on Idra's history), although I the mods can clarify if the talk that happened between them included what this particular tweet meant. 4. Idra stonewalls, feels his reaction is justified given the "cheating" that happened 5. TL bans him for 90 days... I don't know the metrics for bans, but the only one i saw as long as that was LosingID8 banning WinningID8 for 90 days with a reason like "I hope you suffer." You understand why i remember that vividly. Also, I'm sure in the 70+ pages its been discussed to death already, so let me point out the essentials. Cruncher blind countered Idra's all in. There is a probability that without scout Cruncher could do it because it it has been done before, on the same map. Cruncher was on Idra's stream, though he says it is muted and minimized. Cruncher has 2 monitors. Okay, based on this, we can conclude for sure that there is NO solid proof that Cruncher ghosted (although there is opportunity and motive), as well as there is NO solid proof as well that he did not. His behavior was a result of the grey area of this event. He is a professional and this things matter to him. He should be banned, but in the light of the inconclusive evidence to point one or the other, I believe the 90 ban is too much. On the other hand, if it stand, I could imagine a messiah like welcoming of Idra from his fans upon his return. PS. Why was this thread necessary anyway? Did the mods feel the need to explain their action? Or to guage public opinion? | ||
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
On May 09 2011 00:09 ReeveR wrote: This seems very typical of Idra's charecter, although the situation is very messed up. I know you can't really enforce no ghosting or anything, but have you guys considered the reprecussions of people stream sniping? if it happens alot then the players won't stream ladder as much, as the viewers we're the ones who suffer. I know you can't stop them from searching at the same time, but cruncher pulling that would piss anyone off, gives him a huge advantage obviously and is VERY BM. Okay. If stream sniping REALLY pisses you off, here's a simple thing to do. It's pretty easy. Most streaming services have a "delay" feature where you can automatically delay your stream by X Seconds. http://www.justin.tv/broadcast/adv_delay_server Stream sniping is now taken care of. On May 09 2011 00:11 Dag0N wrote: I can't help but feel this forum post is out of place. Idra banned for 90 days, take that Idra. Anyone? I mean as "to single him out" publicly. Anyone who has been here over a couple of months has seen him banned like 10 times. It's not really news to us. | ||
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Sky101
United States1758 Posts
My thoughts on all of this (sorry I've only read up to page 10 of this topic, so not sure if I'm qualified to "give my thoughts" on the matter, but whatever, gimme some leeway god damn it :D ) +Idra is an emotional guy, he needs to learn to control his behavior. But alot of the times, the emotional outbursts displayed on the countless VOD's of him out there were basically hand-picked for your entertainment value, and do not tell the entire story behind whatever personalites that were displayed. My take: some of you who hate him for his "bm" and immaturity should not be too quick to judge him based on what was fed to you (VOD's). +Cruncher is an immature act as well, his actions spoke for themselves. +I like Chill, I find him personable, but I think his view of Idra may not be too favorable to begin with. Am I accusing him of biased moderation? No, I do believe he tries to be as fair and consistent as he could. But sometimes you slip up, that's human nature. +I was an administrator of another forum, and I know "sometimes" moderators get emotional over a certain display of indecency, and get a little bit trigger-happy with the ban. My advice for them is to never ban someone immediately after witnessing such act. Rather, wait until all heads are cool before handing down the penalty. The punishment then would be alot more fair and acceptable to all involved, now that everyone's more level headed. I hardly post on tl.net anymore but I still follow the scene. Good job admins and mods of tl.net for the amount of content and coverage, thank you! | ||
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keeblur
United States826 Posts
On May 09 2011 00:07 Gentso wrote: Idra will be Idra. Either perma-ban him from posting or put a tag near his name that says bitter poster, do not get offended.We all know this is going to happen again sometime after 90 days. All the back and forth is just predictable, unnecessary drama. Now there's an idea. Put everything he says in a spoiler tag.. lol. | ||
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Baddass5
Sweden4 Posts
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Spekulatius
Germany2413 Posts
On May 09 2011 00:06 fearus wrote: is it me or did alot of the posts defending Idra get warns and bans... I think it's not so much about defending IdrA, it's about calling the decision biased or the mods incompetent. | ||
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Justanx
United States240 Posts
Also they have the posting of the EG master's cup there as well. | ||
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EnderSword
Canada669 Posts
I don't think it will change him or the way he behaves, but its hard to believe he even keeps coming back. If a forum kept banning me, I'd eventually stop posting in it, or if I had some vested interest there, I'd restrain my posts to the area..ie his stream thread only. IdrA is just an angry guy by nature, he's just gonna get more angry no matter what happens, because he doesn't ever believe anything is his fault. That's his personality, we all know people like that. It can make his games and stuff very entertaining, but the way he reacts and over-reacts...and constantly 'Martyrs' himself over and over is what holds hiom back from actually having what he says be respected, and frankly holds him back from winning. I very much enjoy watching him play, and I like listening to him talk and analyze things when he's in normal 'Lucid' mode...but the moment he gets a little frustrated, he plays terribly, he quits on things, and you might as well just ignore things he says when he's like that. | ||
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liewec
59 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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loveeholicce
Korea (South)785 Posts
On May 08 2011 22:48 SimDawg wrote: Here is a quote from the TL 10 commandments: " If you believe a certain ban was a mistake, you can contact a Mod through PM or in our IRC channel, but please be respectful about it." Now, the twitter request was not entirely respectful. Again, word for word from idrajit. "i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets you" Now I still believe the second ban was 100 times more worthwhile than the first. But I'm trying to point out the grey area here to people that don't see it. It's there, I assure you TL staff is human like the rest of us. Lol don't be naiive. Idra's a smart guy, you don't think he knew exactly what kind of PMs chill would get if he posted that? | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
On May 09 2011 00:11 Dag0N wrote: I can't help but feel this forum post is out of place. Idra banned for 90 days, take that Idra. Anyone? I mean as "to single him out" publicly. Considering the "novelty" of the ban, and the whole situation, I think it's fair (and needed) that the mods post a fully fleshed out explanation. This would be debated to no end in "The Ban Thread" anyways, and considering the magnitude of the ban, it definately warrants a thread being created specifically for it. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
1. Idra was being vindictive in the worst way possible. He made a bet that he would get 20k+ viewers and asked his fans to help him achieve this goal. In return, he said he'd stream with commentary for the rest of the week. Yet, when this was achieved, he went back on what he said over a petty dispute. In this, the most important point, I feel, is not whether Idra decided to BM Chill. Rather, it is that he used and then betrayed his fans. Despite what Idra claims, Chill cannot be blamed for Idra going back on what he promised - he could stream without TL, but chose not to. That Idra is willing to cast aside his personal responsibility to the people who helped him over a temper tantrum speaks a lot about the relationship between him and his fans, though it is (in a twisted way) also why he has so many fans in the first place. 2. There isn't enough proof that Cruncher stream cheated. That said, given the grudge the two hold for each other, I can see why Idra would think that he did. What Idra said was understandable given his beliefs about Cruncher, though based on forum policy it cannot be tolerated. As for those who think the penalty was too extreme - Idra was banned for a week for calling -orb- a "garbage player." His comments about Cruncher were more severe and personal. 3. Idra knows full well what the rules are, but decides to flaunt them anyways. He does this because it is who he is and also perhaps because he knows TL cannot touch him. By letting him stream on this site during his 90 days ban, you are basically demonstrating that TL needs Idra more than Idra needs TL. I'm not going to say whether this is objectively true, and I understand the hard position TL is in with regards to Idra, but this position is also why this sort of drama will continue, possibly (in a twisted way) to the benefit of both parties. All in all, this episode of drama hasn't really changed my perception of either TL or Idra, and I think only newer members are really surprised by Idra's behavior and TL's response. | ||
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SlipperySnake
248 Posts
I mean the rest of his behavior goes without saying; basically he is just a flamer trying to get attention. I just read through his entire ban log and as Tychus Findlay would say "It's about time." | ||
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Gerend
30 Posts
![[image loading]](http://kidicarus222.blogspot.com/uploaded_images/mort_goldman-722444.jpg) +![[image loading]](http://www.rankopedia.com/CandidatePix/28508.gif) =Chill laughing to hard not to post this | ||
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zeru
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kaleidoscope
Singapore2887 Posts
On May 09 2011 00:11 whiterabb1t wrote: So... 1. Idra feels he was cheated so he BMs about it 2. Chill gives him a 2 day ban 3. Idra tweets something that the mods assume is a passive aggressive attack (reasonable based on Idra's history), although I the mods can clarify if the talk that happened between them included what this particular tweet meant. 4. Idra stonewalls, feels his reaction is justified given the "cheating" that happened 5. TL bans him for 90 days... i think you meant: 1. Idra feels he was cheated, BMs with personal offence and disrespect on TL forum 2. Chill gives him a 2 day ban for the personal offence and disrespect towards Cruncher 3. Idra tweets about his ban while singling out the mod that banned him, linking up the fact that he will not stream for the next two days in direct relation to the ban (hence the hatred mails spams) 4. Chill consulted IdrA personally, where IdrA disrespect Chill and made use of his fans, and IdrA shows that he's not repenting over actions 5. TL bans him to 90 days, extending the 2 days into 90 days. (due to many reasons: disrespectful towards mods, not repenting on his actions, previous ban history, etc) edit: i thought you will get all the facts right.. i personally werent there when everything happens, i just browse through the last 40 pages of "discussions".. and if IdrA were to justify that Cruncher cheated, he should do so in a better way, and not with a direct insult | ||
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