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On March 02 2011 05:04 Mora wrote: i like penises. particularly ones that are thick.
Well, I guess that's your religion.
On March 02 2011 05:04 Mora wrote: what do you like?
People that can handle controversial debates.
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So my conclusion is, if we gays cannot marry, then you cannot divorce. Well said. Love it.
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On March 02 2011 05:04 Mora wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2011 05:02 skypig wrote:On March 02 2011 03:53 R1CH wrote: Religion discussion is generally frowned upon regardless of thread, since it's impossible to have a good discussion when the views you hold cannot be explained or argued against because it's your belief. Whether you're talking religion or not, everything eventually comes down to "believing" that something is "right or wrong", and not having evidence for it. If I asked someone to objectively prove to me that murder/rape/incest/stealing/etc. is "wrong", no one would be able to do it. In fact, the Socratic method would very quickly destroy any sort of logic or reasoning that people would try to use to "prove" that these things are right/wrong. In the end it all comes down to the gut feelings you have about certain behaviors, actions, lifestyles, etc....there IS no logic or reasoning that supports this. Bottom line: any "views" you hold in a "good discussion" don't really have evidence or logical backup at all; when you get to the very foundation of WHY you believe that something is good/bad/neutral/etc., you will find that it IS just a "core belief" (i.e. a "gut feeling" or notion that you have inside you). i like penises. particularly ones that are thick. what do you like?
Mora, I've posted in this thread earlier and think it's a great thread but I still do believe that you should keep comments like thses out. We get it you're gay there's no reason why you shouldn't like penises. But comments like these are just provocative and will not lead to anything good. So yeah though there are a lot of (pardon my language) dickheads out there who bash you for being gay must you sink down to their level and also be provocative.
As I mentioned earlier in this post I think it's great to know your story as well as the struggles of a homosexual. Eventhough this is the internet, I for one believe that you don't really need the details or even using sentences as the one i quoted because it doesn't sit right with some. But I'll say this again this is a great thread but please stop using phrases like this. And of course I'm not supporting the bashers by any means they're far worse since they don't have the ability to tolerate how some people actually are born.
So to conclude my statement, shut up gay bashers, and keep the discussion a bit cleaner and mora don't feed the trolls :p
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A little crude humor never hurt anyone, especially seeing as we are in a gay-themed thread. Most of us gays have a more lax attitude towards innuendo and provocative talk. Usually the people most offended are the ones who can't handle a few 'adult' laughs. ;p
BUT, seeing as I am a little biased (being such a homo, and all), I guess I can't see (or understand) the stand-offishness for other people who see those comments.
In one post, ive single handedly made a defense and broken it down all at the same time.
Being a Gemini is confusing sometimes.
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On March 02 2011 04:59 Mora wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2011 04:55 Shiragaku wrote: Bleh...I am sorry Mora. I tried start my daily reading of this thread with good intentions and even tried to impress you but I can see that I did quite the opposite. I am really really sorry. I will reflect upon my actions. T___T sweet holy jesus i feel like a douchebag. everyone stop apologizing and just get on topic. lol Question for the other gays on tl.net: how old are you? The gay sc nerd duckling that i used to be has grown into quite a responsible life-consumed mallard. I wouldn't be able to imagine 8 years ago who i am today, nor would i be able to fathom how comfortable i am in my own skin and with my environment at large. Where on the spectrum are most tl.netians sitting (this can go for non-gays, too!)? Where are the ducklings and where are the mallards? (or maybe another type of billed animal?) Haha, you were simply informing us. That was pretty generous of you if anything.
But 16 year old twink here. Started question when I was 14, went bi at 15 and convinced myself I was gay shortly after.
But quick question Mora. Did you ever have trouble relating to other gay guys when you were quite the SC nerd? In my high school, most of the gay guys there are pretty outgoing and if we do get together, the most we ever do is hold hands or kiss. However, the gays I can relate to tend to be much older (college age) which is quite scary for me because not only did one molest me, but the age range is just too big.
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On March 02 2011 02:42 Mora wrote: The KY Shiragaku Adrenaling
You guys have been here a while and should know better. Wtf?
My bad.
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Ok, I think I'm ready to give this thread a shot.
Оnce a girl asked me: "Would you like it up your ass?", and I was quite naturally stunned by her directness. But it was a legitimate question and got me thinking.
After a while, I concluded that all orifices on a human body are either one-way (pores on our skin, penis, anus, ears, tear ducts etc) or two-way (vagina, nostrils, mouth etc). If I ever meet her again, I'll say that "Mother Nature made some holes on our body one-way and we ought to respect that".
This is my stance on all types of sexual expression - it's your body, do with it whatever you wish!
Mora, I don't know who you are and can only form my impression of you based on what you write.
For example, I will take some of your posts from this thread:
On February 28 2011 11:35 Mora wrote:
i first started playing around with boys when i was 5 years old or so. i fingered my best friend when we were both 8 years old. she even grabbed my limp penis and stuck it in her vagina. lol
i sucked another guys penis (with a glad sandwich bag between my mouth and his penis) when i was 9? or 10?
On March 01 2011 14:29 Mora wrote: Hey asshole, i want you to explain something to me.
On August 27 2010 22:08 Mora wrote: I suspected something was up when i was about 11 years old. I had been playing Truth or Dare with a few of my male friends in elementary school over several years. We'd dare each other to strip down and wag our dicks around shit like that. Just normal curious/young stuff. This continued up until grade 5 when a certain guy i was playing with wanted to do more shit than i'd done before. We got glad wrapper/sandwich bags and dared one another to suck the other guy off (with the baggy around his dick). I thought it was super great.
Then, when i hung out with him after the summer was over (we didn't hang out over the summer for some reason), he was going to stay the night and i got all excited to do it again. But he wasn't really interested. Infact, he'd brought over some of his father's porn magazines.
I thought the women were disgusting. I knew something was up.
So then i end up moving to another city where the culture is very different. (the place i grew up was super small town/hick). Soccer was the main sport at the school - everyone who played it was pretty popular. I was pretty good at that age, and so fit into this new crew pretty quickly (which was weird for me. As i was accustomed to being harshly teased, etc.)
These guys were pretty gay though too. After PE class/soccer practices they'd be getting undressed in the loccer room, and they'd be totally checking each other out. They'd point out all the new body hair that they were getting; they'd even feel each other up sometimes.
Pretty Sweet. I'm normal after all. All guys like to do this, i'm just a late-bloomer when it comes to wanting to fool around with chicks.
Fast forward to years and i move back to my hometown. At my new highschool you can't even make eye contact with another guy in the locker room. And all i wanted to do was stare at their junk. And i was still disgusted by vagina.
So yeah, i finally 'knew' by the age of 15. I was in denial for about 6 months after that, convincing myself that i could change who i was. I'm pretty intolerant of emotions like that though, so i accepted it when i was 16. My boyfriend moved in with me and my parents that year.
On March 02 2011 04:56 Mora wrote: He's not 'exactly' my type, but he certainly qualifies.
Do your favourite gay TL.netian a favour and hook us up? lol
i have pictures if he'd like to see! i'm some hot west coast canadian bacon. I'd post them right here, but i'm not sure what the mods would think. (or everyone who actually knows me in real life who reads this forum who don't want to see me in my underwear? lololol)
Spoilers maybe? hmmmm
Now read this without reacting. What can you conclude about the person who wrote those posts? Can he be told a secret? Most certainly not, because he reveals everything, his most intimate thoughts and experiences with complete strangers on an internet forum.
Can he be trusted? I wouldn't trust that kind of person with anything of importance.
Oh, and my personal favorite:
On March 01 2011 12:13 Mora wrote: Humour me -- Define what a 'man' is.
edit - i'm looking for a list of 10-20 definable traits. throw some behaviours in there.
I will define what a 'man' is, if you can define what is 'gay' (you after all, claim to be 'gay'). + Show Spoiler +Every man defines himself
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Agree with previous post, this kind of stuff belongs on 4chan.
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On March 02 2011 05:09 nathangonmad wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2011 05:04 Mora wrote:On March 02 2011 05:02 skypig wrote:On March 02 2011 03:53 R1CH wrote: Religion discussion is generally frowned upon regardless of thread, since it's impossible to have a good discussion when the views you hold cannot be explained or argued against because it's your belief. Whether you're talking religion or not, everything eventually comes down to "believing" that something is "right or wrong", and not having evidence for it. If I asked someone to objectively prove to me that murder/rape/incest/stealing/etc. is "wrong", no one would be able to do it. In fact, the Socratic method would very quickly destroy any sort of logic or reasoning that people would try to use to "prove" that these things are right/wrong. In the end it all comes down to the gut feelings you have about certain behaviors, actions, lifestyles, etc....there IS no logic or reasoning that supports this. Bottom line: any "views" you hold in a "good discussion" don't really have evidence or logical backup at all; when you get to the very foundation of WHY you believe that something is good/bad/neutral/etc., you will find that it IS just a "core belief" (i.e. a "gut feeling" or notion that you have inside you). i like penises. particularly ones that are thick. what do you like? Women with large breasts. But you don't see my making a thread named ''i want to play sc2 with other people that like women with large breasts.'' Honestly I don't think what your sexual preferences really matters when your just playing sc2. In truth I think you just want some drama. User was warned for this post
have you read any of the thread at all? and/or the original post?
*blink*
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people when oppressed for a long time tend to get very liberal and talkative when unoppressed especially on the internet. TBH you get that sort of chat everywhere on the internet because of the aninomity.
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On March 02 2011 05:11 skypig wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2011 05:04 Mora wrote: i like penises. particularly ones that are thick. Well, I guess that's your religion. People that can handle controversial debates.
Move your controversial debate to the proper thread. I don't get what is so complicated about this.
In bold, for our thicker tl.net members.
Move religious questions, additions, comments, morality, debates, to their respective threads. This is NOT the place for them.
PM me if you need more clarification.
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On March 02 2011 05:19 simme123 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2011 05:04 Mora wrote:On March 02 2011 05:02 skypig wrote:On March 02 2011 03:53 R1CH wrote: Religion discussion is generally frowned upon regardless of thread, since it's impossible to have a good discussion when the views you hold cannot be explained or argued against because it's your belief. Whether you're talking religion or not, everything eventually comes down to "believing" that something is "right or wrong", and not having evidence for it. If I asked someone to objectively prove to me that murder/rape/incest/stealing/etc. is "wrong", no one would be able to do it. In fact, the Socratic method would very quickly destroy any sort of logic or reasoning that people would try to use to "prove" that these things are right/wrong. In the end it all comes down to the gut feelings you have about certain behaviors, actions, lifestyles, etc....there IS no logic or reasoning that supports this. Bottom line: any "views" you hold in a "good discussion" don't really have evidence or logical backup at all; when you get to the very foundation of WHY you believe that something is good/bad/neutral/etc., you will find that it IS just a "core belief" (i.e. a "gut feeling" or notion that you have inside you). i like penises. particularly ones that are thick. what do you like? Mora, I've posted in this thread earlier and think it's a great thread but I still do believe that you should keep comments like thses out.
The point of me responding the way I did was to highlight how off-topic his post was. Since saying 'keep these posts away' didn't work, I tried a different approach.
We get it you're gay there's no reason why you shouldn't like penises. But comments like these are just provocative and will not lead to anything good. So yeah though there are a lot of (pardon my language) dickheads out there who bash you for being gay must you sink down to their level and also be provocative.
Honey, (yes, I'm pulling out my fabulous half) those words were a little tame, and on the internet i'm going to be less inclined to filter myself than offline. When your most intimate sexual act as a homosexual is sticking your junk into another dude's exit, you're going to become desensitized to this kind of stuff. And to be honest: it's a good thing. People should be open about their privates, their feelings, their orifices and the juices that come out of them. These subjects should not be taboo, it's unhealthy. Growing up that kind of discussion was so taboo that i would be awkward around my parents even watching people kiss on TV. Then i met my boyfriend, whose parents, at my first dinner with them, discussed how his dad used a dildo on his mom the night before.
I was appalled at the time, but now that i have many years of experience under my belt, i can safely say that people who are open and talk about sex have better sex, are more confident, and are less likely to cause complexes in their children.
As I mentioned earlier in this post I think it's great to know your story as well as the struggles of a homosexual. Eventhough this is the internet, I for one believe that you don't really need the details or even using sentences as the one i quoted because it doesn't sit right with some. But I'll say this again this is a great thread but please stop using phrases like this. And of course I'm not supporting the bashers by any means they're far worse since they don't have the ability to tolerate how some people actually are born.
I appreciate what you've gotten from this thread, but i can only accomodate you so far. Go to a gay pride parade. Notice the dykes on bikes riding around shirtless; notice the naked gogo-boys dancing on their floats. Notice the free condoms that are handed out. And notice the families that are present for it. These things are important, are normal, are not weird or gross or nasty; they should not be taboo!
Cheers
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On March 02 2011 08:05 greendestiny wrote:Ok, I think I'm ready to give this thread a shot. Оnce a girl asked me: "Would you like it up your ass?", and I was quite naturally stunned by her directness. But it was a legitimate question and got me thinking. After a while, I concluded that all orifices on a human body are either one-way (pores on our skin, penis, anus, ears, tear ducts etc) or two-way (vagina, nostrils, mouth etc). If I ever meet her again, I'll say that "Mother Nature made some holes on our body one-way and we ought to respect that". This is my stance on all types of sexual expression - it's your body, do with it whatever you wish! Mora, I don't know who you are and can only form my impression of you based on what you write. For example, I will take some of your posts from this thread: Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 11:35 Mora wrote:
i first started playing around with boys when i was 5 years old or so. i fingered my best friend when we were both 8 years old. she even grabbed my limp penis and stuck it in her vagina. lol
i sucked another guys penis (with a glad sandwich bag between my mouth and his penis) when i was 9? or 10? Show nested quote +On March 01 2011 14:29 Mora wrote: Hey asshole, i want you to explain something to me. Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 22:08 Mora wrote: I suspected something was up when i was about 11 years old. I had been playing Truth or Dare with a few of my male friends in elementary school over several years. We'd dare each other to strip down and wag our dicks around shit like that. Just normal curious/young stuff. This continued up until grade 5 when a certain guy i was playing with wanted to do more shit than i'd done before. We got glad wrapper/sandwich bags and dared one another to suck the other guy off (with the baggy around his dick). I thought it was super great.
Then, when i hung out with him after the summer was over (we didn't hang out over the summer for some reason), he was going to stay the night and i got all excited to do it again. But he wasn't really interested. Infact, he'd brought over some of his father's porn magazines.
I thought the women were disgusting. I knew something was up.
So then i end up moving to another city where the culture is very different. (the place i grew up was super small town/hick). Soccer was the main sport at the school - everyone who played it was pretty popular. I was pretty good at that age, and so fit into this new crew pretty quickly (which was weird for me. As i was accustomed to being harshly teased, etc.)
These guys were pretty gay though too. After PE class/soccer practices they'd be getting undressed in the loccer room, and they'd be totally checking each other out. They'd point out all the new body hair that they were getting; they'd even feel each other up sometimes.
Pretty Sweet. I'm normal after all. All guys like to do this, i'm just a late-bloomer when it comes to wanting to fool around with chicks.
Fast forward to years and i move back to my hometown. At my new highschool you can't even make eye contact with another guy in the locker room. And all i wanted to do was stare at their junk. And i was still disgusted by vagina.
So yeah, i finally 'knew' by the age of 15. I was in denial for about 6 months after that, convincing myself that i could change who i was. I'm pretty intolerant of emotions like that though, so i accepted it when i was 16. My boyfriend moved in with me and my parents that year. Show nested quote +On March 02 2011 04:56 Mora wrote: He's not 'exactly' my type, but he certainly qualifies.
Do your favourite gay TL.netian a favour and hook us up? lol
i have pictures if he'd like to see! i'm some hot west coast canadian bacon. I'd post them right here, but i'm not sure what the mods would think. (or everyone who actually knows me in real life who reads this forum who don't want to see me in my underwear? lololol)
Spoilers maybe? hmmmm Now read this without reacting. What can you conclude about the person who wrote those posts? Can he be told a secret? Most certainly not, because he reveals everything, his most intimate thoughts and experiences with complete strangers on an internet forum. Can he be trusted? I wouldn't trust that kind of person with anything of importance.
This is my caring face. *points at face*
I will define what a 'man' is, if you can define what is 'gay' (you after all, claim to be 'gay'). + Show Spoiler +Every man defines himself
lol?
The reason i asked him to define what 'men' are is because i believe gender to be open to interpretation. I can't define a gay anymore than i can define a man, that was my point.
Please be cautious when entering the space of others; you're sharp, you might cut someone.
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On March 02 2011 05:31 Shiragaku wrote: But quick question Mora. Did you ever have trouble relating to other gay guys when you were quite the SC nerd? In my high school, most of the gay guys there are pretty outgoing and if we do get together, the most we ever do is hold hands or kiss. However, the gays I can relate to tend to be much older (college age) which is quite scary for me because not only did one molest me, but the age range is just too big.
Indeed, I had big problems trying to relate to anyone. I actually remember lying in bed unable to sleep on particularly lonely nights wishing that fags would be a little less gay and would be interested in things like strategy games instead of fashion.
It's one of the reasons i thought this kind of thread was important.
This has become less important to me as i've gotten older, as i've had a chance to discover more who i am, what interests me, what's worth working my ass off for, and meeting people along the way.
I now share other things in common with gays: soccer, sex, beer, more beer, sex, fashion (lol), celebrity gossip (i do more listening than talking, since i don't know anything about it. I find it amusing), politics, activism, volunteer work, writing, etc.
It's cool to see that being a nerd is also something that i have in common with other gays. I sure could have used that knowledge 10 years ago.
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(Mora you are a straight-up superstar as far as I'm concerned. You start a cool thread and then moderate it justly and with the wisdom of a Solomon using only the power of words. Much thanks!)
I want to try another question.
A while back I used to spend time with some olderish gay men who were very suspicious of bi people. They didn't generally say it immediately but basically they seemed to feel like bis were gays or lesbians who were in the closet still; or, possibly, that bis were sort of confusing the politics or whatever.
How do the gay men on TL feel about bi men and women? Do you think there is a generational difference in attitudes towards identity in your countries?
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On March 02 2011 09:11 chocopan wrote: (Mora you are a straight-up superstar as far as I'm concerned. You start a cool thread and then moderate it justly and with the wisdom of a Solomon using only the power of words. Much thanks!)
I want to try another question.
A while back I used to spend time with some olderish gay men who were very suspicious of bi people. They didn't generally say it immediately but basically they seemed to feel like bis were gays or lesbians who were in the closet still; or, possibly, that bis were sort of confusing the politics or whatever.
How do the gay men on TL feel about bi men and women? Do you think there is a generational difference in attitudes towards identity in your countries? This is just my perspective as a Bi man. I am attracted by cute women I enjoy looking at boobs, asses, and pussy. I also want to suck penis. I personally care a lot more about the person as in WHO they are as opposed to WHAT they are.
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On March 02 2011 09:41 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2011 09:11 chocopan wrote: (Mora you are a straight-up superstar as far as I'm concerned. You start a cool thread and then moderate it justly and with the wisdom of a Solomon using only the power of words. Much thanks!)
I want to try another question.
A while back I used to spend time with some olderish gay men who were very suspicious of bi people. They didn't generally say it immediately but basically they seemed to feel like bis were gays or lesbians who were in the closet still; or, possibly, that bis were sort of confusing the politics or whatever.
How do the gay men on TL feel about bi men and women? Do you think there is a generational difference in attitudes towards identity in your countries? This is just my perspective as a Bi man. I am attracted by cute women I enjoy looking at boobs, asses, and pussy. I also want to suck penis. I personally care a lot more about the person as in WHO they are as opposed to WHAT they are.
I'll have to second that. For me its not that much about the gender, each one has their attractiveness. On the other hand i cant imagine being in a serious relationship with a manly man. There are barely any that I find attractive. I'm usually into girlish boys or sometimes even crossdressers/traps (if they can puill it off ;P) as far as sexual attraction is concerned.
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On March 02 2011 02:42 Mora wrote: The KY Shiragaku Adrenaling
You guys have been here a while and should know better. Wtf?
Just Boo.
Well it sort of confuses me why straight people post in the gay thread anyways and bring up religion, it is probably an elaborate troll.
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