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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On October 08 2013 06:57 marvellosity wrote: I literally have no idea why klondike and Zaros are acting aggressively towards BIG, it's completely unnecessary. Anyway I don't assume anyone I meet is likely to be not-ok with gay guys, and none of my friends think that way either, so I find it pretty hard to empathise with your position, BIG. Being 'overly' correct happens I guess (again, not with anyone I know, but meh), as a reaction against what used to be the opposite reaction. Shrugs all round ^^ God as long as you people know me and you still think that counts as "hostile." Ya'll would be outright terrified of me IRL. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On October 08 2013 21:07 marvellosity wrote: You weren't talking to someone who knows you though, my dear. Which is why I wasn't aggressive. Snarky, not aggressive. | ||
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marvellosity
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Kerotan
England2111 Posts
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On October 08 2013 22:31 marvellosity wrote: Then your snarkiness wasn't necessary. Happy? Oh precious marvellosity, it's always necessary. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On October 08 2013 08:39 Axero wrote: ![[image loading]](http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lo3z2naUax1qztwte.gif) "Chaaaaaaaarge!" "Shit my shoe is untied." ------------------------------------------------------ On another note, Big Bang concert in San Fran in November. Who's attending!? SO CUTE! | ||
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Zyl
Cuba15 Posts
On October 08 2013 06:17 B.I.G. wrote: How come that 90% of the gay guys I meet assume that I have something against gays? [...] Because the daily impressions we get are that 90% of people are against us. I know the figure 90% is bullshit, but some days it is very hard to convince myself. Imagine yourself in an environment where you get verbally assaulted on a regular basis, have experienced some occasions of physical violence, and witnessed a complete disregard of your general demographic in e.g. overheared conversations in public transport (and you even hear children growing already into this shit too), politicians denying you equal rights on a daily basis ("of course I'm not against gays, but..", there always is a "but") and then imagine how we see the stuff going on in Russia, Iraq, Iran, etc. I could have been born there and my life would be hell our I could be already dead. I have the luxury of living in a state where you, the "demographically avarage" recently (historical speaking) decided we are not ill, a danger to you, and do not deserve to die. Coming from this angle we can be glad you decided we are worth enough to give us almost equal rights, but still we are made feel like only second grade people. Imagine everytime you feel like kissing your SO in public you would be putting yourself out, you are not just kissing, you are making a political statement, it is a challenge, a presentation of a spot of yourself that is already very sore from the constant background noise - first time I kissed my SO in public I was so nervous, my heart was pounding and I didn't enjoy it even a little; and someone snickered. So: When I get to know somebody new I create myself the illusion that he/she is cool, tolerant and an awesome being - giving the benefit of the doubt. But the doubt still lurks, and sadly usually it is just a matter of time until the illusion pops because of just one word... So getting positive confirmation that someone "is okay with gay people" is a great relieve. I don't know if you, as a "demographically average" recognise this kind of relief because you are so used to be able to feel comfortable and to let your guard down (at least that's what you guys look like when I observe you as an envious outsider) but I'd say there is no reason to feel offended when someone voices positive surprise, maybe this someone was embracing himself against disappointment and just put you in the clear. Remember, we are at the mercy of you. We are a minority you decided to tolerate (unlike a lot of other societies), this is an uncomfortable position, it is very easy to disregard our struggles as aggressive, over the top or "butthurt". Well, this got longer than I expected... | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Drekkonis
Canada286 Posts
On October 10 2013 11:25 Zyl wrote: Because the daily impressions we get are that 90% of people are against us. I know the figure 90% is bullshit, but some days it is very hard to convince myself. Imagine yourself in an environment where you get verbally assaulted on a regular basis, have experienced some occasions of physical violence, and witnessed a complete disregard of your general demographic in e.g. overheared conversations in public transport (and you even hear children growing already into this shit too), politicians denying you equal rights on a daily basis ("of course I'm not against gays, but..", there always is a "but") and then imagine how we see the stuff going on in Russia, Iraq, Iran, etc. I could have been born there and my life would be hell our I could be already dead. I have the luxury of living in a state where you, the "demographically avarage" recently (historical speaking) decided we are not ill, a danger to you, and do not deserve to die. Coming from this angle we can be glad you decided we are worth enough to give us almost equal rights, but still we are made feel like only second grade people. Imagine everytime you feel like kissing your SO in public you would be putting yourself out, you are not just kissing, you are making a political statement, it is a challenge, a presentation of a spot of yourself that is already very sore from the constant background noise - first time I kissed my SO in public I was so nervous, my heart was pounding and I didn't enjoy it even a little; and someone snickered. So: When I get to know somebody new I create myself the illusion that he/she is cool, tolerant and an awesome being - giving the benefit of the doubt. But the doubt still lurks, and sadly usually it is just a matter of time until the illusion pops because of just one word... So getting positive confirmation that someone "is okay with gay people" is a great relieve. I don't know if you, as a "demographically average" recognise this kind of relief because you are so used to be able to feel comfortable and to let your guard down (at least that's what you guys look like when I observe you as an envious outsider) but I'd say there is no reason to feel offended when someone voices positive surprise, maybe this someone was embracing himself against disappointment and just put you in the clear. Remember, we are at the mercy of you. We are a minority you decided to tolerate (unlike a lot of other societies), this is an uncomfortable position, it is very easy to disregard our struggles as aggressive, over the top or "butthurt". Well, this got longer than I expected... Wow , Bravo, Very well said. Super well articulated the same sentiment that I feel. Especially the kissing the SO in public, even though I live in a very forward city such as Toronto , I am still a bit amprehensive giving a kiss of affection in public unless its in the village. Cause you never know.. once again great post | ||
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
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redpeople
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+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/94pt1uj.jpg) | ||
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
Reminds me of this: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/aHVZR4R.gif) | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
No thank you. | ||
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Drekkonis
Canada286 Posts
I thought you said you didn't mind a bit of tongue action Zaros? Guess you are a prude :p | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On October 19 2013 02:33 Drekkonis wrote: I thought you said you didn't mind a bit of tongue action Zaros? Guess you are a prude :p rude. I don't want it from maru or a cat. | ||
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G5
United States2922 Posts
On October 10 2013 11:25 Zyl wrote: Because the daily impressions we get are that 90% of people are against us. I know the figure 90% is bullshit, but some days it is very hard to convince myself. Imagine yourself in an environment where you get verbally assaulted on a regular basis, have experienced some occasions of physical violence, and witnessed a complete disregard of your general demographic in e.g. overheared conversations in public transport (and you even hear children growing already into this shit too), politicians denying you equal rights on a daily basis ("of course I'm not against gays, but..", there always is a "but") and then imagine how we see the stuff going on in Russia, Iraq, Iran, etc. I could have been born there and my life would be hell our I could be already dead. I have the luxury of living in a state where you, the "demographically avarage" recently (historical speaking) decided we are not ill, a danger to you, and do not deserve to die. Coming from this angle we can be glad you decided we are worth enough to give us almost equal rights, but still we are made feel like only second grade people. Imagine everytime you feel like kissing your SO in public you would be putting yourself out, you are not just kissing, you are making a political statement, it is a challenge, a presentation of a spot of yourself that is already very sore from the constant background noise - first time I kissed my SO in public I was so nervous, my heart was pounding and I didn't enjoy it even a little; and someone snickered. So: When I get to know somebody new I create myself the illusion that he/she is cool, tolerant and an awesome being - giving the benefit of the doubt. But the doubt still lurks, and sadly usually it is just a matter of time until the illusion pops because of just one word... So getting positive confirmation that someone "is okay with gay people" is a great relieve. I don't know if you, as a "demographically average" recognise this kind of relief because you are so used to be able to feel comfortable and to let your guard down (at least that's what you guys look like when I observe you as an envious outsider) but I'd say there is no reason to feel offended when someone voices positive surprise, maybe this someone was embracing himself against disappointment and just put you in the clear. Remember, we are at the mercy of you. We are a minority you decided to tolerate (unlike a lot of other societies), this is an uncomfortable position, it is very easy to disregard our struggles as aggressive, over the top or "butthurt". Well, this got longer than I expected... I always view people who are prejudice against gays as one of these: 1. They are severely uneducated 2. Hardcore religious and unfortunately can't think for themselves 3. Straight up ignorant / stupid people However, I do believe there are plenty of people out there that believe being gay isn't wrong and are either: 1. Macho-manly dudes who don't wanna be associated with anything gay (which is insecure / retarded shit imo) 2. People who are just uncomfortable being around gays because it's new to them and they don't know what to expect. Either way dude. Look through that first list and ask yourself, "Why would I want to be friends with people like this?". In fact, you should never use the word "tolerate" when referring to how people see / interact with you. Why do they have to tolerate the fact that you are gay? It doesn't effect them at all. Ignorance is something we have to "tolerate" constantly. Whether it's from politicians who are more worried about keeping their seat than doing the right thing, or ignorant people preaching hate based on something that doesn't effect them at all. People are people. There are FAR better reasons to like or dislike someone than who THEY choose to love. | ||
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
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Zyl
Cuba15 Posts
 In my post I was trying to explain a certain mindset that I know from the times where I am in the wrong company/I had to put up with assholes. Of course I don't want to be friends with people who are assholes. And I do not believe I should have to refer to how people see me with the word "tolerate" as it still puts us in a corner. I was portraying the situation where we come from, historically speaking, where it was believed we indeed affected the society of heteros (being bad influence for the youth, corroding the German Volkskörper/nation's body, endangering family values or molesting children, etc) and it was decided "that is not true, they are only hazardous to themselves, we have to help them", when then it was decided "that is not true either, though somehow different we can integrate them as we are integrating other non-standard role models into society" - still, not everybody agrees, but as they are (in my state), mostly, not picking up arms I thought it fit to use the word "tolerate" as a change in attitude on the constitutional level of power. Also, I'm not always so glum  If nothing too drastic happens I am optimistic, if we keep pushing, we are striving progressively towards better and more accepting times, despite certain odds. | ||
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