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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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avery
China7 Posts
I don't know about the PMs but the other chat is taken completely out of context, some stuff is worth fighting for but from what I've seen you take off the cuff remarks or jokey comments and then go full warrior mode against them which is very obnoxious and over the top. Joking or not, racism and hate speech isn't cool. You can explain it away all you like, but it's wrong and shouldn't be tolerated. Yes there is some disgusting comments and yh you should condemn those but you fight even obviously jokey comments all the time. You tell long term members who are widely liked to basically fuck off and try to tell them what they can and can't talk about It doesn't matter if you are a long-term member or widely liked, if you're making hateful comments and you think it's OK, it's not okay. you complain about spam and telling people to stop posting links then you create a bot the fills the chat with text these might be reasons why you get comments all though telling you to die is obviously too much. It's a reactive bot, and you are the #1 user by a pretty big margin. It's offline now. There's no justification for hateful comments. I complain about you spamming links to local media. It's good to see you can identify who the real victim is. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On October 23 2013 07:41 avery wrote: Joking or not, racism and hate speech isn't cool. You can explain it away all you like, but it's wrong and shouldn't be tolerated. It doesn't matter if you are a long-term member or widely liked, if you're making hateful comments and you think it's OK, it's not okay. It's a reactive bot, and you are the #1 user by a pretty big margin. It's offline now. There's no justification for hateful comments. I complain about you spamming links to local media. It's good to see you can identify who the real victim is. Yes hate speech is bad doesn't mean you should ban all words that could be interpreted as hateful from use, its a near free speech policy in gtl unless marv doesn't like it  . The long term member said nothing hateful was just asking people what's up and talking about himself then you called him obnoxious and to shut up and leave any hate speech after that you provoked. And i'm not the no.1 user just a blatant lie. Again I have no idea about the PMs and maybe you have been a victim but the public chat stuff is well out of context and you pretending to be a victim is an insult to people actually suffering from homophobia,transphobia,racism etc. | ||
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avery
China7 Posts
The long term member said nothing hateful was just asking people what's up and talking about himself then you called him obnoxious and to shut up and leave any hate speech after that you provoked. And i'm not the no.1 user just a blatant lie. Again I have no idea about the PMs and maybe you have been a victim but the public chat stuff is well out of context and you pretending to be a victim is an insult to people actually suffering from homophobia,transphobia,racism etc. Now you're just making stuff up. I *do* "actually suffer" from homophobia, transphobia, and racism. Your victim-blaming mentality is making me ill. Just drop it with the derailing alternate history and read your chat logs. | ||
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Axero
United States307 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On October 23 2013 08:06 avery wrote: Now you're just making stuff up. I *do* "actually suffer" from homophobia, transphobia, and racism. Your victim-blaming mentality is making me ill. Just drop it with the derailing alternate history and read your chat logs. I didn't say you haven't suffered from them but everything you posted about the public chat is out of context and you don't suffer from homophobia, transphobia or racism there. I can read the chat logs and i'm not the one making alternate histories. | ||
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Sententia
United States90 Posts
In regard to the tone argument it's only a negative impact on the conversation when the tone is actually not harsh, in which case it's used to derail from the important issues. It's not a get-out-of-jail-free card to allow anyone to be as nasty as they want and still expect to be heard equally. I don't think I've seen an unjustified calling out of tone, though I'm not at my keyboard as much what with college, I miss a lot more now. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On October 23 2013 08:43 Sententia wrote: Racist and sexist comments in chat do happen but are largely minimal, they don't compose much of what's said. They should be called out as what they are, not acerbically overreacted to. The people who make these comments are not fundamentally racist or sexist, they're perpetuating a pattern that's been taught to them, as such we need to avoid attacking people because that only serves to derail anything useful that could have happened. Focus on words, not people. I agree that overreaction is not a good way to deal with such issues, but from some of the comments above I do sense a bit of a double standard here. Few of us would be happy to tolerate a comment like "Ew, that's so gay!", even if it's just meant as an "obviously jokey comment". As such, I don't see why a comment like "I hate all women" is even remotely better than that, regardless of how serious it was meant. | ||
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Sententia
United States90 Posts
It's a misrepresentation of chat to say that happens frequently though, and it never helps to attack the person making the joke. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On October 23 2013 09:03 Sententia wrote: Yes, I completely agree. It would be horrific if it were serious, as a joke it's not that much better. It's a misrepresentation of chat to say that happens frequently though, and it never helps to attack the person making the joke. Its a complete misrepresentation to say the stuff happened at all as posted by avery the quotes of the public chat are completely out of context. | ||
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avery
China7 Posts
On October 23 2013 09:03 Sententia wrote: Yes, I completely agree. It would be horrific if it were serious, as a joke it's not that much better. It's a misrepresentation of chat to say that happens frequently though, and it never helps to attack the person making the joke. It's the comments that are the issue, the people making these remarks aren't under any sort of attack. They have no fear of being marginalized or silenced. On the other, I am being attacked for speaking out against racism and hate-speech. Yet, no one has suggested I deserve any better. I'm constantly derailed and ridiculed, and if I get upset then I'm ridiculed further for being emotional. It's not cool. No one is advocating the attack of anyone, my position is that the speech shouldn't be tolerated - yet it's encouraged and ardently defended, to the extent of suicide-baiting and overtly misogynistic insults. I merely pasted a tiny snippet of chat, the first thing I scrolled to. Identifying the "real issue" of racists being attacked is disconcerting. I, for one, don't think that's a real fear that anyone needs to worry about. In a LGBT chat-room, homophobia is rarely an issue, and it's something that's usually okay to joke about. However, only a minority of the room are persons of color. Despite this, it's white individuals who seem eager to define what is (and more often isn't) racism. This is problematic, to say the least. I've only been discussing blatant hate-speech, with nothing said about microaggression, aversive racism, or symbolic racism. It's the aversive racism and microaggressions that I see almost everyday in chat. I'd like to encourage those interested in what aversive/symbolic racism and microaggressions are to read more here: http://bit.ly/1bcGNPe. | ||
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avery
China7 Posts
Its a complete misrepresentation to say the stuff happened at all as posted by avery the quotes of the public chat are completely out of context. http://i.imgur.com/9lqkegO.png Context: The person making these comments encountered a woman who was rude/obnoxious to them at work. I'm not sure how this is relevant, Zaros - you seem intent to derail and ignore that there's any problem whatsoever. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On October 23 2013 07:52 Zaros wrote: Yes hate speech is bad doesn't mean you should ban all words that could be interpreted as hateful from use, its a near free speech policy in gtl unless marv doesn't like it . The long term member said nothing hateful was just asking people what's up and talking about himself then you called him obnoxious and to shut up and leave any hate speech after that you provoked. And i'm not the no.1 user just a blatant lie. Again I have no idea about the PMs and maybe you have been a victim but the public chat stuff is well out of context and you pretending to be a victim is an insult to people actually suffering from homophobia,transphobia,racism etc. And don't you all forget it! | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On October 23 2013 09:20 avery wrote: http://i.imgur.com/9lqkegO.png Context: The person making these comments encountered a woman who was rude/obnoxious to them at work. I'm not sure how this is relevant, Zaros - you seem intent to derail and ignore that there's any problem whatsoever. You seem intent on throwing around a load of shit just to make yourself feel good, you make an account on tl just to publically throw shit at gtl, you never contacted marv (the admin of irc) or anyone else about how you felt, just copy some completely out of context chat make a TL account straight to the GTL thread to publicly attack everyone. | ||
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EnterpriseE1701E
37 Posts
For regular posters, don't quote the trolls. Alas, we've lost our way and seemed to forget this.Just ignore her and move along. If she doesn't want to be a part, she doesn't have to be. Lord knows I've personally counseled her on the insanity/arrogance of thinking you can change the personalities of people more times than I can count. If this is actually derivative to personality (as she's said repeatedly) then this is really nothing more than really basic masturbation. Engagement does nothing, move along. | ||
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jarrydesque
584 Posts
Pretty much. You deal with drama queens the same way you deal with trolls. Just ignore them and they go away. | ||
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avery
China7 Posts
On October 23 2013 09:47 EnterpriseE1701E wrote: Alas, we've lost our way and seemed to forget this. Just ignore her and move along. If she doesn't want to be a part, she doesn't have to be. Lord knows I've personally counseled her on the insanity/arrogance of thinking you can change the personalities of people more times than I can count. If this is actually derivative to personality (as she's said repeatedly) then this is really nothing more than really basic masturbation. Engagement does nothing, move along. Where do you even come up with this stuff? This isn't about changing anyone's personalities, it is a simple matter of speaking out against hate speech. It's not masturbatory - it 's masochistic at best. I'm being attacked, and am still being attacked here on the forums. And for what? Hate speech is bad, and it's embarrassing to see members of a LGBT community so violently against someone who speaks out against it. Racism, homophobia, transphobia, bigotry, misogyny, and ableism are bad. I don't see how difficult that is to understand, but some people have a tantrum when it gets pointed out. If you can't empathize with this point of you, then that probably *is* derivative of personality. Either way, it's besides the point and my message is simple and clear. Hate speech is wrong, and it shouldn't be tolerated or defended. You can do your part - as I've tried to do - or not. But please, ease off the personal attacks. There's no need for it. If you have something to say in support of hate speech, then say so. | ||
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flowergirl_
United States7 Posts
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Axero
United States307 Posts
On October 23 2013 11:26 flowergirl_ wrote: Will show naked pics to stop this I'll take that offer. | ||
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Drekkonis
Canada286 Posts
I can't remember the last time anybody mentioned anything about women let alone hate speech against them. Why don't you just show the names, I bet its Axero, he is super racist  ! | ||
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