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On March 29 2013 10:20 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 10:03 Klondikebar wrote:On March 28 2013 00:15 Detwiler wrote:On March 14 2013 05:06 Klondikebar wrote:On March 14 2013 03:56 decaf wrote:
This is kinda off topic but since you asked me for it..
My bodyfat percentage is much lower than yours, you need to lose bodyfat - spot reduction is not possible. Either you build muscle or you lose bodyfat, both at the same time is not impossible but so hard that it's just a waste of time trying to do it. And I wouldn't say I've been hitting the gym hard, only been working out for about 6 months.
If you don't seem to lose weight anymore you better start tracking calories - calories in vs calories out is all there is to losing/putting on weight.
And I don't have HotS. Yeah, right now I'm in the process of basically starving myself to try to get my body fat down but that directly clashes with my goal of having Pamela Anderson quality tits. And HotS is definitely worth the money IMO. Although I am incredibly upset that Blizzard completely scrapped Kerrigan's talent trees. Now it's just a boring upgrade system that has a ton of passive abilities. They're all broken as hell but I thought I'd kinda end up with a mini-DotA/LoL champion, not a buff bot. They're bringing back a lot of story elements from Brood War which I REALLY enjoy. How your abs look is a result of your body fat % the lower t is the better your abs will be. If you have been focusing on building max muscle your abs are prob gonna lag because to build muscle you have to be eating alot of extra calories to facilitate that. So how do you get the total package? Periodization. Work 4-6 weeks for pure strength, then 4-6 weeks for max muscle, 4-6 weeks cutting fat. Then repeat. I assume u want cutting atm so you want to program around that i would say to circuit training 3xs a weeks with interval cardio 1-2xs a week. With circuits you are gong to want a pull a press a lower body movement and a core movement and repeat at low reps for time. Choose a weight you can move for say 8-12 reps then only do 4-6 do the complex for 5 mins. You arent going for failure on any of the sets the goal is to keep moving the entire time. EX: push press deadlift hanging leg raise front squat rest 2-4 mins repeat 3-5xs depending on conditioning Diet is also at least 50% of getting good abs. I wont go into every detail here but here are the basics. Only drink water period. Consume 1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight. No bread. No rice. All the fruits and vegis you want. Is this boring and monotonous? You bet ul be sick of chicken and eggs by the end of the 6 weeks. But does it work? Absolutely. Any ways give it a chance for just 4 weeks and bet you a dollar you will see results. GLHF I was so on board with this post until you said only drink water. I enjoy whiskey far more than I could ever enjoy abs. People who have sex with me are just gonna have to settle for a flat stomach. key phrase: "People who have sex with me are just gonna have to settle "
I'm "last call" material. Ain't no one takin me home at the beginning of the night.
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On March 29 2013 10:53 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 10:20 neoghaleon55 wrote:On March 29 2013 10:03 Klondikebar wrote:On March 28 2013 00:15 Detwiler wrote:On March 14 2013 05:06 Klondikebar wrote:On March 14 2013 03:56 decaf wrote:
This is kinda off topic but since you asked me for it..
My bodyfat percentage is much lower than yours, you need to lose bodyfat - spot reduction is not possible. Either you build muscle or you lose bodyfat, both at the same time is not impossible but so hard that it's just a waste of time trying to do it. And I wouldn't say I've been hitting the gym hard, only been working out for about 6 months.
If you don't seem to lose weight anymore you better start tracking calories - calories in vs calories out is all there is to losing/putting on weight.
And I don't have HotS. Yeah, right now I'm in the process of basically starving myself to try to get my body fat down but that directly clashes with my goal of having Pamela Anderson quality tits. And HotS is definitely worth the money IMO. Although I am incredibly upset that Blizzard completely scrapped Kerrigan's talent trees. Now it's just a boring upgrade system that has a ton of passive abilities. They're all broken as hell but I thought I'd kinda end up with a mini-DotA/LoL champion, not a buff bot. They're bringing back a lot of story elements from Brood War which I REALLY enjoy. How your abs look is a result of your body fat % the lower t is the better your abs will be. If you have been focusing on building max muscle your abs are prob gonna lag because to build muscle you have to be eating alot of extra calories to facilitate that. So how do you get the total package? Periodization. Work 4-6 weeks for pure strength, then 4-6 weeks for max muscle, 4-6 weeks cutting fat. Then repeat. I assume u want cutting atm so you want to program around that i would say to circuit training 3xs a weeks with interval cardio 1-2xs a week. With circuits you are gong to want a pull a press a lower body movement and a core movement and repeat at low reps for time. Choose a weight you can move for say 8-12 reps then only do 4-6 do the complex for 5 mins. You arent going for failure on any of the sets the goal is to keep moving the entire time. EX: push press deadlift hanging leg raise front squat rest 2-4 mins repeat 3-5xs depending on conditioning Diet is also at least 50% of getting good abs. I wont go into every detail here but here are the basics. Only drink water period. Consume 1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight. No bread. No rice. All the fruits and vegis you want. Is this boring and monotonous? You bet ul be sick of chicken and eggs by the end of the 6 weeks. But does it work? Absolutely. Any ways give it a chance for just 4 weeks and bet you a dollar you will see results. GLHF I was so on board with this post until you said only drink water. I enjoy whiskey far more than I could ever enjoy abs. People who have sex with me are just gonna have to settle for a flat stomach. key phrase: "People who have sex with me are just gonna have to settle " I'm "last call" material. Ain't no one takin me home at the beginning of the night.
http://www.fitnessfrog.com/calculators/tdee-calculator.html
Calculate your TDEE and eat below it if you want to lose weight. It does not matter what you eat, you can only eat burgers and drink coke and still lose weight, but is it healthy? No. Calories in vs. calories out, nothing else matters, genetic predispositions that keep you from losing weight do not exist.
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On March 29 2013 08:00 vlad(Tiger) wrote:Hi guys! I am a beginner player. And none of my friends play Starcraft  Would like to find some gay friends here. Fell free to add me on battle.net my nick is - Tiger
Just so you know
LGBT and friends IRC channel: #gteamliquid
LGBT SC2 and friends chat channel: GTL
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On March 29 2013 21:46 decaf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 10:53 Klondikebar wrote:On March 29 2013 10:20 neoghaleon55 wrote:On March 29 2013 10:03 Klondikebar wrote:On March 28 2013 00:15 Detwiler wrote:On March 14 2013 05:06 Klondikebar wrote:On March 14 2013 03:56 decaf wrote:
This is kinda off topic but since you asked me for it..
My bodyfat percentage is much lower than yours, you need to lose bodyfat - spot reduction is not possible. Either you build muscle or you lose bodyfat, both at the same time is not impossible but so hard that it's just a waste of time trying to do it. And I wouldn't say I've been hitting the gym hard, only been working out for about 6 months.
If you don't seem to lose weight anymore you better start tracking calories - calories in vs calories out is all there is to losing/putting on weight.
And I don't have HotS. Yeah, right now I'm in the process of basically starving myself to try to get my body fat down but that directly clashes with my goal of having Pamela Anderson quality tits. And HotS is definitely worth the money IMO. Although I am incredibly upset that Blizzard completely scrapped Kerrigan's talent trees. Now it's just a boring upgrade system that has a ton of passive abilities. They're all broken as hell but I thought I'd kinda end up with a mini-DotA/LoL champion, not a buff bot. They're bringing back a lot of story elements from Brood War which I REALLY enjoy. How your abs look is a result of your body fat % the lower t is the better your abs will be. If you have been focusing on building max muscle your abs are prob gonna lag because to build muscle you have to be eating alot of extra calories to facilitate that. So how do you get the total package? Periodization. Work 4-6 weeks for pure strength, then 4-6 weeks for max muscle, 4-6 weeks cutting fat. Then repeat. I assume u want cutting atm so you want to program around that i would say to circuit training 3xs a weeks with interval cardio 1-2xs a week. With circuits you are gong to want a pull a press a lower body movement and a core movement and repeat at low reps for time. Choose a weight you can move for say 8-12 reps then only do 4-6 do the complex for 5 mins. You arent going for failure on any of the sets the goal is to keep moving the entire time. EX: push press deadlift hanging leg raise front squat rest 2-4 mins repeat 3-5xs depending on conditioning Diet is also at least 50% of getting good abs. I wont go into every detail here but here are the basics. Only drink water period. Consume 1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight. No bread. No rice. All the fruits and vegis you want. Is this boring and monotonous? You bet ul be sick of chicken and eggs by the end of the 6 weeks. But does it work? Absolutely. Any ways give it a chance for just 4 weeks and bet you a dollar you will see results. GLHF I was so on board with this post until you said only drink water. I enjoy whiskey far more than I could ever enjoy abs. People who have sex with me are just gonna have to settle for a flat stomach. key phrase: "People who have sex with me are just gonna have to settle " I'm "last call" material. Ain't no one takin me home at the beginning of the night. http://www.fitnessfrog.com/calculators/tdee-calculator.htmlCalculate your TDEE and eat below it if you want to lose weight. It does not matter what you eat, you can only eat burgers and drink coke and still lose weight, but is it healthy? No. Calories in vs. calories out, nothing else matters, genetic predispositions that keep you from losing weight do not exist.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2336074
" 12 pairs of young adult male monozygotic twins were overfed by 4.2 MJ (1000 kcal) per day, 6 days a week, for a total of 84 days during a 100-day period. The total excess amount each man consumed was 353 MJ (84,000 kcal). During overfeeding, individual changes in body composition and topography of fat deposition varied considerably. The mean weight gain was 8.1 kg, but the range was 4.3 to 13.3 kg.The similarity within each pair in the response to overfeeding was significant (P less than 0.05) with respect to body weight, percentage of fat, fat mass, and estimated subcutaneous fat, with about three times more variance among pairs than within pairs (r approximately 0.5). After adjustment for the gains in fat mass, the within-pair similarity was particularly evident with respect to the changes in regional fat distribution and amount of abdominal visceral fat (P less than 0.01), with about six times as much variance among pairs as within pairs (r approximately 0.7). We conclude that the most likely explanation for the intrapair similarity in the adaptation to long-term overfeeding and for the variations in weight gain and fat distribution among the pairs of twins is that genetic factors are involved. These may govern the tendency to store energy as either fat or lean tissue and the various determinants of the resting expenditure of energy."
Overfeeding - Calories count, but don’t bother counting them
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On March 29 2013 22:40 Polis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 21:46 decaf wrote:On March 29 2013 10:53 Klondikebar wrote:On March 29 2013 10:20 neoghaleon55 wrote:On March 29 2013 10:03 Klondikebar wrote:On March 28 2013 00:15 Detwiler wrote:On March 14 2013 05:06 Klondikebar wrote:On March 14 2013 03:56 decaf wrote:
This is kinda off topic but since you asked me for it..
My bodyfat percentage is much lower than yours, you need to lose bodyfat - spot reduction is not possible. Either you build muscle or you lose bodyfat, both at the same time is not impossible but so hard that it's just a waste of time trying to do it. And I wouldn't say I've been hitting the gym hard, only been working out for about 6 months.
If you don't seem to lose weight anymore you better start tracking calories - calories in vs calories out is all there is to losing/putting on weight.
And I don't have HotS. Yeah, right now I'm in the process of basically starving myself to try to get my body fat down but that directly clashes with my goal of having Pamela Anderson quality tits. And HotS is definitely worth the money IMO. Although I am incredibly upset that Blizzard completely scrapped Kerrigan's talent trees. Now it's just a boring upgrade system that has a ton of passive abilities. They're all broken as hell but I thought I'd kinda end up with a mini-DotA/LoL champion, not a buff bot. They're bringing back a lot of story elements from Brood War which I REALLY enjoy. How your abs look is a result of your body fat % the lower t is the better your abs will be. If you have been focusing on building max muscle your abs are prob gonna lag because to build muscle you have to be eating alot of extra calories to facilitate that. So how do you get the total package? Periodization. Work 4-6 weeks for pure strength, then 4-6 weeks for max muscle, 4-6 weeks cutting fat. Then repeat. I assume u want cutting atm so you want to program around that i would say to circuit training 3xs a weeks with interval cardio 1-2xs a week. With circuits you are gong to want a pull a press a lower body movement and a core movement and repeat at low reps for time. Choose a weight you can move for say 8-12 reps then only do 4-6 do the complex for 5 mins. You arent going for failure on any of the sets the goal is to keep moving the entire time. EX: push press deadlift hanging leg raise front squat rest 2-4 mins repeat 3-5xs depending on conditioning Diet is also at least 50% of getting good abs. I wont go into every detail here but here are the basics. Only drink water period. Consume 1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight. No bread. No rice. All the fruits and vegis you want. Is this boring and monotonous? You bet ul be sick of chicken and eggs by the end of the 6 weeks. But does it work? Absolutely. Any ways give it a chance for just 4 weeks and bet you a dollar you will see results. GLHF I was so on board with this post until you said only drink water. I enjoy whiskey far more than I could ever enjoy abs. People who have sex with me are just gonna have to settle for a flat stomach. key phrase: "People who have sex with me are just gonna have to settle " I'm "last call" material. Ain't no one takin me home at the beginning of the night. http://www.fitnessfrog.com/calculators/tdee-calculator.htmlCalculate your TDEE and eat below it if you want to lose weight. It does not matter what you eat, you can only eat burgers and drink coke and still lose weight, but is it healthy? No. Calories in vs. calories out, nothing else matters, genetic predispositions that keep you from losing weight do not exist. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2336074" 12 pairs of young adult male monozygotic twins were overfed by 4.2 MJ (1000 kcal) per day, 6 days a week, for a total of 84 days during a 100-day period. The total excess amount each man consumed was 353 MJ (84,000 kcal). During overfeeding, individual changes in body composition and topography of fat deposition varied considerably. The mean weight gain was 8.1 kg, but the range was 4.3 to 13.3 kg.The similarity within each pair in the response to overfeeding was significant (P less than 0.05) with respect to body weight, percentage of fat, fat mass, and estimated subcutaneous fat, with about three times more variance among pairs than within pairs (r approximately 0.5). After adjustment for the gains in fat mass, the within-pair similarity was particularly evident with respect to the changes in regional fat distribution and amount of abdominal visceral fat (P less than 0.01), with about six times as much variance among pairs as within pairs (r approximately 0.7). We conclude that the most likely explanation for the intrapair similarity in the adaptation to long-term overfeeding and for the variations in weight gain and fat distribution among the pairs of twins is that genetic factors are involved. These may govern the tendency to store energy as either fat or lean tissue and the various determinants of the resting expenditure of energy." Overfeeding - Calories count, but don’t bother counting them
Even that, is partially an excuse for overweight people. It is rather obvious that genetics plays some kind of role in your body composition, but a lot of people blame their lack of will entirely on genetics. I find it really sad because they slowly wither inside because they think they cant do anything about themselves, they give up.
At to klondikebear, yea, as most people said hear, its a question of calorie in vs out, but I must disagree with what your actually eating. Cokes and burgers arent good, they dont provide all the macro and micronutrients required for a stable body. I have an enourmous repository of fitness, if anybody wants.
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On March 29 2013 22:40 Polis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 21:46 decaf wrote:On March 29 2013 10:53 Klondikebar wrote:On March 29 2013 10:20 neoghaleon55 wrote:On March 29 2013 10:03 Klondikebar wrote:On March 28 2013 00:15 Detwiler wrote:On March 14 2013 05:06 Klondikebar wrote:On March 14 2013 03:56 decaf wrote:
This is kinda off topic but since you asked me for it..
My bodyfat percentage is much lower than yours, you need to lose bodyfat - spot reduction is not possible. Either you build muscle or you lose bodyfat, both at the same time is not impossible but so hard that it's just a waste of time trying to do it. And I wouldn't say I've been hitting the gym hard, only been working out for about 6 months.
If you don't seem to lose weight anymore you better start tracking calories - calories in vs calories out is all there is to losing/putting on weight.
And I don't have HotS. Yeah, right now I'm in the process of basically starving myself to try to get my body fat down but that directly clashes with my goal of having Pamela Anderson quality tits. And HotS is definitely worth the money IMO. Although I am incredibly upset that Blizzard completely scrapped Kerrigan's talent trees. Now it's just a boring upgrade system that has a ton of passive abilities. They're all broken as hell but I thought I'd kinda end up with a mini-DotA/LoL champion, not a buff bot. They're bringing back a lot of story elements from Brood War which I REALLY enjoy. How your abs look is a result of your body fat % the lower t is the better your abs will be. If you have been focusing on building max muscle your abs are prob gonna lag because to build muscle you have to be eating alot of extra calories to facilitate that. So how do you get the total package? Periodization. Work 4-6 weeks for pure strength, then 4-6 weeks for max muscle, 4-6 weeks cutting fat. Then repeat. I assume u want cutting atm so you want to program around that i would say to circuit training 3xs a weeks with interval cardio 1-2xs a week. With circuits you are gong to want a pull a press a lower body movement and a core movement and repeat at low reps for time. Choose a weight you can move for say 8-12 reps then only do 4-6 do the complex for 5 mins. You arent going for failure on any of the sets the goal is to keep moving the entire time. EX: push press deadlift hanging leg raise front squat rest 2-4 mins repeat 3-5xs depending on conditioning Diet is also at least 50% of getting good abs. I wont go into every detail here but here are the basics. Only drink water period. Consume 1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight. No bread. No rice. All the fruits and vegis you want. Is this boring and monotonous? You bet ul be sick of chicken and eggs by the end of the 6 weeks. But does it work? Absolutely. Any ways give it a chance for just 4 weeks and bet you a dollar you will see results. GLHF I was so on board with this post until you said only drink water. I enjoy whiskey far more than I could ever enjoy abs. People who have sex with me are just gonna have to settle for a flat stomach. key phrase: "People who have sex with me are just gonna have to settle " I'm "last call" material. Ain't no one takin me home at the beginning of the night. http://www.fitnessfrog.com/calculators/tdee-calculator.htmlCalculate your TDEE and eat below it if you want to lose weight. It does not matter what you eat, you can only eat burgers and drink coke and still lose weight, but is it healthy? No. Calories in vs. calories out, nothing else matters, genetic predispositions that keep you from losing weight do not exist. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2336074" 12 pairs of young adult male monozygotic twins were overfed by 4.2 MJ (1000 kcal) per day, 6 days a week, for a total of 84 days during a 100-day period. The total excess amount each man consumed was 353 MJ (84,000 kcal). During overfeeding, individual changes in body composition and topography of fat deposition varied considerably. The mean weight gain was 8.1 kg, but the range was 4.3 to 13.3 kg.The similarity within each pair in the response to overfeeding was significant (P less than 0.05) with respect to body weight, percentage of fat, fat mass, and estimated subcutaneous fat, with about three times more variance among pairs than within pairs (r approximately 0.5). After adjustment for the gains in fat mass, the within-pair similarity was particularly evident with respect to the changes in regional fat distribution and amount of abdominal visceral fat (P less than 0.01), with about six times as much variance among pairs as within pairs (r approximately 0.7). We conclude that the most likely explanation for the intrapair similarity in the adaptation to long-term overfeeding and for the variations in weight gain and fat distribution among the pairs of twins is that genetic factors are involved. These may govern the tendency to store energy as either fat or lean tissue and the various determinants of the resting expenditure of energy." Overfeeding - Calories count, but don’t bother counting them
You completely missed the point, homie. What I was saying is you cannot gain fat out of thin air. One kilogram of fat is equal to about 7000calories, if you eat 1000kcal above your TDEE you can gain up to 4kg of fat per month, the fact that some people put on much less means that fatties on average just eat that much more.
If you want to lose weight and you eat below your TDEE you will lose weight no matter what, the laws of thermodynamics are true for every individual on earth. How many fat people were there in concentration camps in WWII? Zero. There's no excuse for being fat, period. If you eat inhuman amounts of food don't expect to look like a human anymore at the end of the day.
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On March 29 2013 22:40 Polis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 21:46 decaf wrote:On March 29 2013 10:53 Klondikebar wrote:On March 29 2013 10:20 neoghaleon55 wrote:On March 29 2013 10:03 Klondikebar wrote:On March 28 2013 00:15 Detwiler wrote:On March 14 2013 05:06 Klondikebar wrote:On March 14 2013 03:56 decaf wrote:
This is kinda off topic but since you asked me for it..
My bodyfat percentage is much lower than yours, you need to lose bodyfat - spot reduction is not possible. Either you build muscle or you lose bodyfat, both at the same time is not impossible but so hard that it's just a waste of time trying to do it. And I wouldn't say I've been hitting the gym hard, only been working out for about 6 months.
If you don't seem to lose weight anymore you better start tracking calories - calories in vs calories out is all there is to losing/putting on weight.
And I don't have HotS. Yeah, right now I'm in the process of basically starving myself to try to get my body fat down but that directly clashes with my goal of having Pamela Anderson quality tits. And HotS is definitely worth the money IMO. Although I am incredibly upset that Blizzard completely scrapped Kerrigan's talent trees. Now it's just a boring upgrade system that has a ton of passive abilities. They're all broken as hell but I thought I'd kinda end up with a mini-DotA/LoL champion, not a buff bot. They're bringing back a lot of story elements from Brood War which I REALLY enjoy. How your abs look is a result of your body fat % the lower t is the better your abs will be. If you have been focusing on building max muscle your abs are prob gonna lag because to build muscle you have to be eating alot of extra calories to facilitate that. So how do you get the total package? Periodization. Work 4-6 weeks for pure strength, then 4-6 weeks for max muscle, 4-6 weeks cutting fat. Then repeat. I assume u want cutting atm so you want to program around that i would say to circuit training 3xs a weeks with interval cardio 1-2xs a week. With circuits you are gong to want a pull a press a lower body movement and a core movement and repeat at low reps for time. Choose a weight you can move for say 8-12 reps then only do 4-6 do the complex for 5 mins. You arent going for failure on any of the sets the goal is to keep moving the entire time. EX: push press deadlift hanging leg raise front squat rest 2-4 mins repeat 3-5xs depending on conditioning Diet is also at least 50% of getting good abs. I wont go into every detail here but here are the basics. Only drink water period. Consume 1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight. No bread. No rice. All the fruits and vegis you want. Is this boring and monotonous? You bet ul be sick of chicken and eggs by the end of the 6 weeks. But does it work? Absolutely. Any ways give it a chance for just 4 weeks and bet you a dollar you will see results. GLHF I was so on board with this post until you said only drink water. I enjoy whiskey far more than I could ever enjoy abs. People who have sex with me are just gonna have to settle for a flat stomach. key phrase: "People who have sex with me are just gonna have to settle " I'm "last call" material. Ain't no one takin me home at the beginning of the night. http://www.fitnessfrog.com/calculators/tdee-calculator.htmlCalculate your TDEE and eat below it if you want to lose weight. It does not matter what you eat, you can only eat burgers and drink coke and still lose weight, but is it healthy? No. Calories in vs. calories out, nothing else matters, genetic predispositions that keep you from losing weight do not exist. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2336074" 12 pairs of young adult male monozygotic twins were overfed by 4.2 MJ (1000 kcal) per day, 6 days a week, for a total of 84 days during a 100-day period. The total excess amount each man consumed was 353 MJ (84,000 kcal). During overfeeding, individual changes in body composition and topography of fat deposition varied considerably. The mean weight gain was 8.1 kg, but the range was 4.3 to 13.3 kg.The similarity within each pair in the response to overfeeding was significant (P less than 0.05) with respect to body weight, percentage of fat, fat mass, and estimated subcutaneous fat, with about three times more variance among pairs than within pairs (r approximately 0.5). After adjustment for the gains in fat mass, the within-pair similarity was particularly evident with respect to the changes in regional fat distribution and amount of abdominal visceral fat (P less than 0.01), with about six times as much variance among pairs as within pairs (r approximately 0.7). We conclude that the most likely explanation for the intrapair similarity in the adaptation to long-term overfeeding and for the variations in weight gain and fat distribution among the pairs of twins is that genetic factors are involved. These may govern the tendency to store energy as either fat or lean tissue and the various determinants of the resting expenditure of energy." Overfeeding - Calories count, but don’t bother counting them
This is pretty well understood and does not support the conclusion you seem to think it does.
People have very large genetic differences in non-exercise activity thermogenesis (NEAT), with some people having barely any difference and some people burning up to a nextra 1000 kcal/day. If you want to gain weight, you should count calories, it's just that you have to adjust for your own personal NEAT and metabolism to see how much you have to overeat to gain a certain amount of weight.
NEAT does not apply to people trying to lose weight by eating less, only to people trying to gain weight by eating more, so it's actually completely irrelevant in this case. Metabolism downregulates a little bit, but only by about 200 kcal max, which is easily taken into account no matter how bad your genetics are (unless you have some serious disease).
Calories in vs calories out is trivially true by the conservation of energy, but Body Acceptance fanatics will misrepresent any data they can find to try and convince you otherwise.
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On March 30 2013 03:23 decaf wrote:You completely missed the point, homie. What I was saying is you cannot gain fat out of thin air.
No you had said that you can precisely calculate fat gain or fat loss using TDEE calculator, and adding or removing x number of kcal, but that isn't the case.
On March 30 2013 03:23 decaf wrote:One kilogram of fat is equal to about 7000calories, if you eat 1000kcal above your TDEE you can gain up to 4kg of fat per month, the fact that some people put on much less means that fatties on average just eat that much more.
They were all overfeed the same amount above they calculated TDEE.
On March 30 2013 03:23 decaf wrote:If you want to lose weight and you eat below your TDEE you will lose weight no matter what,
But TDEE calculator don't give reliable information, as shown in various studies where calories in calories out aren't close to adding up.
On March 30 2013 03:23 decaf wrote:I the laws of thermodynamics are true for every individual on earth.
Those laws say nothing about how much calories go to fat cells, generating more heat, putting more calories in muscles, and removing more calories undigested doesn't break the laws of thermodynamics, human body isn't a closet system, fat tissue isn't a closet system.
On March 30 2013 03:23 decaf wrote:How many fat people were there in concentration camps in WWII? Zero. There's no excuse for being fat, period. If you eat inhuman amounts of food don't expect to look like a human anymore at the end of the day.
People in concentration camps were all starving, it doesn't prove TDEE calculations. Where was I making excuses for anybody? I was pointing out that what you say is wrong. Also people in concentration camps prove that diet composition will not affect how much lean tissue you will have?
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Body acceptance or any other emo issue is irrelevant. I was correcting factual error.
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Homie, first off I was never talking about gaining weight. All I said is you are going to lose weight if you eat below your TDEE, which is true, period. You are making irrelevant points, misunderstanding and misinterpreting what I said and pretend I made claims I never did.
You weren't correcting anyone.
Because I know you'll insist on having actually said something I'll dismantle everything you said:
+ Show Spoiler +No you had said that you can precisely calculate fat gain or fat loss using TDEE calculator, and adding or removing x number of kcal, but that isn't the case. No, I never did that. Neither did I claim you can calculate your TDEE very accurately nor did I ever talk about fat loss (gain was never up for discussion, because some people have tendencies to put on muscle mass simply by eating), I talked about weight loss. They were all overfeed the same amount above they calculated TDEE. Neither are you disagreeing, nor are you making a point here. But TDEE calculator don't give reliable information, as shown in various studies where calories in calories out aren't close to adding up. The TDEE calc gives perfectly reliable information if you're able to calculate it very accurately - but it's a tall order to expect anyone to very accurately estimate his calorie expenditure. You also do not understand the study you posted, its purpose never was to disprove the viability of the TDEE calculator. Those laws say nothing about how much calories go to fat cells, generating more heat, putting more calories in muscles, and removing more calories undigested doesn't break the laws of thermodynamics, human body isn't a closet system, fat tissue isn't a closet system. Yet again, I was not talking about weight gain. If you expend more energy than you take in you will lose weight, this is true for every living being on this earth, fatties have no excuses for being fat. People in concentration camps were all starving, it doesn't prove TDEE calculations. Where was I making excuses for anybody? I was pointing out that what you say is wrong. Also people in concentration camps prove that diet composition will not affect how much lean tissue you will have? This whole argument is not about the accuracy of TDEE calcs. I don't know who you are arguing with.
Now stop beating a dead horse.
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On March 30 2013 05:36 decaf wrote:[spoiler] Show nested quote +No you had said that you can precisely calculate fat gain or fat loss using TDEE calculator, and adding or removing x number of kcal, but that isn't the case. No, I never did that. Neither did I claim you can calculate your TDEE very accurately nor did I ever talk about fat loss (gain was never up for discussion, because some people have tendencies to put on muscle mass simply by eating), I talked about weight loss.
You did here:
"One kilogram of fat is equal to about 7000calories, if you eat 1000kcal above your TDEE you can gain up to 4kg of fat per month, the fact that some people put on much less means that fatties on average just eat that much more."
What was that supposed to mean then?
On March 30 2013 05:36 decaf wrote:This whole argument is not about the accuracy of TDEE calcs. I don't know who you are arguing with.
Why did you gave a link to it then?
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so, I want to tell you all I love you, and that I apologize for my absence, but im working 5 days and about 40-50 hours at http://www.noburestaurants.com/fifty-seven/experience/introduction/ and then after that I am working my other two days about 18-20 hours at www.enjb.com
I'm busy. That is all. sleep is hard to come by, and my knives keep dulling too quickly. ><
Which is funny because everytime I leave with that lovely comment of "I'm going to go sharpen my knives" that's... usually what I end up doing. hours being racked up. it's odd for most people.
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why do people bother with calories this much
fat guys are hot
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On March 29 2013 10:03 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 00:15 Detwiler wrote:On March 14 2013 05:06 Klondikebar wrote:On March 14 2013 03:56 decaf wrote:
This is kinda off topic but since you asked me for it..
My bodyfat percentage is much lower than yours, you need to lose bodyfat - spot reduction is not possible. Either you build muscle or you lose bodyfat, both at the same time is not impossible but so hard that it's just a waste of time trying to do it. And I wouldn't say I've been hitting the gym hard, only been working out for about 6 months.
If you don't seem to lose weight anymore you better start tracking calories - calories in vs calories out is all there is to losing/putting on weight.
And I don't have HotS. Yeah, right now I'm in the process of basically starving myself to try to get my body fat down but that directly clashes with my goal of having Pamela Anderson quality tits. And HotS is definitely worth the money IMO. Although I am incredibly upset that Blizzard completely scrapped Kerrigan's talent trees. Now it's just a boring upgrade system that has a ton of passive abilities. They're all broken as hell but I thought I'd kinda end up with a mini-DotA/LoL champion, not a buff bot. They're bringing back a lot of story elements from Brood War which I REALLY enjoy. How your abs look is a result of your body fat % the lower t is the better your abs will be. If you have been focusing on building max muscle your abs are prob gonna lag because to build muscle you have to be eating alot of extra calories to facilitate that. So how do you get the total package? Periodization. Work 4-6 weeks for pure strength, then 4-6 weeks for max muscle, 4-6 weeks cutting fat. Then repeat. I assume u want cutting atm so you want to program around that i would say to circuit training 3xs a weeks with interval cardio 1-2xs a week. With circuits you are gong to want a pull a press a lower body movement and a core movement and repeat at low reps for time. Choose a weight you can move for say 8-12 reps then only do 4-6 do the complex for 5 mins. You arent going for failure on any of the sets the goal is to keep moving the entire time. EX: push press deadlift hanging leg raise front squat rest 2-4 mins repeat 3-5xs depending on conditioning Diet is also at least 50% of getting good abs. I wont go into every detail here but here are the basics. Only drink water period. Consume 1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight. No bread. No rice. All the fruits and vegis you want. Is this boring and monotonous? You bet ul be sick of chicken and eggs by the end of the 6 weeks. But does it work? Absolutely. Any ways give it a chance for just 4 weeks and bet you a dollar you will see results. GLHF I was so on board with this post until you said only drink water. I enjoy whiskey far more than I could ever enjoy abs. People who have sex with me are just gonna have to settle for a flat stomach.
whisky doesnt make you fat, alcohol in general doesnt make you fat. Drink away ffs! diet and genetics are what decides if you are fat or skinny. Beer is not good for your "fitness" but whisky (and other strong alcohol drinks) and dry wine doesnt make you fat no matter how much you drink of it
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On March 31 2013 05:15 leser wrote:
why do people bother with calories this much
fat guys are hot
This guy gets it!
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On March 29 2013 10:53 Klondikebar wrote:
I'm "last call" material. Ain't no one takin me home at the beginning of the night.
You aren't last call material :O
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I like dt rushing as well.
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On March 30 2013 15:35 Silverfoxx wrote:so, I want to tell you all I love you, and that I apologize for my absence, but im working 5 days and about 40-50 hours at http://www.noburestaurants.com/fifty-seven/experience/introduction/ and then after that I am working my other two days about 18-20 hours at www.enjb.com I'm busy. That is all. sleep is hard to come by, and my knives keep dulling too quickly. >< Which is funny because everytime I leave with that lovely comment of "I'm going to go sharpen my knives" that's... usually what I end up doing. hours being racked up. it's odd for most people.
Thanks for the update. Its great to hear from you! We miss you!
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On April 01 2013 03:23 RoMGraViTy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 15:35 Silverfoxx wrote:so, I want to tell you all I love you, and that I apologize for my absence, but im working 5 days and about 40-50 hours at http://www.noburestaurants.com/fifty-seven/experience/introduction/ and then after that I am working my other two days about 18-20 hours at www.enjb.com I'm busy. That is all. sleep is hard to come by, and my knives keep dulling too quickly. >< Which is funny because everytime I leave with that lovely comment of "I'm going to go sharpen my knives" that's... usually what I end up doing. hours being racked up. it's odd for most people. Thanks for the update. Its great to hear from you! We miss you!
Nobu is an amazing restaurant too.
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hi gays, hope you had fun grabbing eggs today
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