Don't post in this thread to say "gay gamers are like everyone else, why do they have a special thread?" It is something that has been posted numerous times, and this isn't the place for that discussion.
1. Anyone may change the profile picture but you're not allowed to use copyrighted stuff or stuff that makes it appear as though we are associated with any official SC2 organization.
2. You can tweet @ or follow anyone you'd like but they must be involved with SC2 and you are not allowed to tweet obscene things or sexually harass anyone (this rule is probably more for me than anyone else...)
3. You better have a damn good reason for following a girl. We don't need twitter cooties.
4. No changing the password! The username is completely unimaginative so we should probably change that soon but that should be a group decision.
PM me for the login info. You only get it if you're a regular poster in the thread or a regular participant in IRC.
I think the pic looks awesome actually. We'll be the only ones who really understand it which is good because we don't want people thinking we're officially affiliated with TL but it's still pretty enough that everyone can enjoy it.
On March 05 2012 12:46 RoMGraViTy wrote: In some way this may belong in a thread of its own, but it belongs here first. The entire play "8" is on youtube, and it is a must-see:
"Featuring an all-star cast including George Clooney, Brad Pitt, Martin Sheen, Jamie Lee Curtis, Jane Lynch, Kevin Bacon and others, "8" is a play written by Academy Award winning screenwriter Dustin Lance Black and directed by acclaimed actor and director Rob Reiner. It is a powerful account of the case filed by the American Federation for Equal Rights (AFER ) in the U.S. District Court in 2010 to overturn Proposition 8 [LINK], a constitutional amendment that eliminated the rights of same-sex couples to marry in the state of California. Framed around the trial's historic closing arguments in June 2010, 8 provides an intimate look what unfolded when the issue of same-sex marriage was on trial."
Passionate speeches have lost a lot of their impact on me as I have grown older and more involved in the gay community. The side story of the moms and soccer practice annoyed me. But through it all, even with so little dialogue, Brad Pitt's portrayal of the calm voice of reason filled me with so much happiness. Appeals to emotion make any side of the argument seem too weak to stand on the truth alone. The religious right has no choice since they have no case, we do.
...Now, I just wish you guys would also get this upset when people use the word f----t, so that we could start fighting homophobia, too, and show people that it, like racism, also doesn't belong in our community .
You guys better all buy an EG jersey now. Garfield has our back.
...Now, I just wish you guys would also get this upset when people use the word f----t, so that we could start fighting homophobia, too, and show people that it, like racism, also doesn't belong in our community .
You guys better all buy an EG jersey now. Garfield has our back.
...Now, I just wish you guys would also get this upset when people use the word f----t, so that we could start fighting homophobia, too, and show people that it, like racism, also doesn't belong in our community .
You guys better all buy an EG jersey now. Garfield has our back.
In some way this may belong in a thread of its own, but it belongs here first. The entire play "8" is on youtube, and it is a must-see:
"Featuring an all-star cast including George Clooney, Brad Pitt, Martin Sheen, Jamie Lee Curtis, Jane Lynch, Kevin Bacon and others, "8" is a play written by Academy Award winning screenwriter Dustin Lance Black and directed by acclaimed actor and director Rob Reiner. It is a powerful account of the case filed by the American Federation for Equal Rights (AFER ) in the U.S. District Court in 2010 to overturn Proposition 8 [LINK], a constitutional amendment that eliminated the rights of same-sex couples to marry in the state of California. Framed around the trial's historic closing arguments in June 2010, 8 provides an intimate look what unfolded when the issue of same-sex marriage was on trial."
Not gay, just popped into this thread to see what it's all about, ended up watching the whole play "8". Even though I am a deeply religious Christian who believes the practice of homosexual relationships is a sin, I was undecided on whether same-sex marriage should or should not be legalized. But after watching "8" I think I have to agree that denying marriage to same-sex couples is indeed discrimination and unconstitutional, and same-sex marriage should be allowed.
The pro-Prop 8 argument that same-sex marriage will be against the interest of the State in that it will cause a decline in heterosexual marriage has no empirical basis. And the argument that we should deny marriage to same-sex partners because they can't procreate without a 3rd party also holds no water, because we would need to deny marriage to infertile, sterile and certain handicapped people. In the end, I believe those who are opposed to same-sex marriage do so from a religious stand point of view.
However.
As a Christian and as an American I must recognize two things. First, the laws of America and the teachings of the Bible are separate. The US law is designed to uphold that ALL men are free and have inherent rights, and not uphold every statue of the Bible -- to enforce that would be religious oppression. And just as I do not want to be religiously oppressed, I as an American and Christian should not want others to be religiously oppressed. I cannot ignore the Constitution "That all men are by nature equally free and independent, and have certain inherent rights" nor the Bible "Love your neighbor as yourself" and "Love others as [God] loves them".
Secondly, even though the Bible defines homosexuality as a sin, it's just that: a sin. Any real Christian will tell you that we're all sinners -- and to discriminate based on any one particular sin is not only silly, but hateful, proud, and un-Christian. Let's face it, if we wanted to make homosexuality illegal because it's sin, we would need to make pornography, pride, anger, and laziness illegal too. On that basis, we would all serve many life-times in jail (an eternity, in fact). And while I don't believe in classifying some sins as worse or better than others, I have to believe that stopping ethnic cleansing type wars, liberating women from sex trade, and solving world hunger is 8 billion times more important than trying to end homosexual relationships.
I'll be doing some more research on the matter, both on US law and the Bible, but I think I will become pro-active in supporting gay marriage within my church. Even before, when I was undecided about the issue, I was still shocked that most people in my bible study group thought same-sex marriage was a more important issue than world justice, world hunger, world peace, etc. I was completely flabbergasted and was like "WTF are you serious? You'd rather end same-sex marriage than have world peace???"
In some way this may belong in a thread of its own, but it belongs here first. The entire play "8" is on youtube, and it is a must-see:
"Featuring an all-star cast including George Clooney, Brad Pitt, Martin Sheen, Jamie Lee Curtis, Jane Lynch, Kevin Bacon and others, "8" is a play written by Academy Award winning screenwriter Dustin Lance Black and directed by acclaimed actor and director Rob Reiner. It is a powerful account of the case filed by the American Federation for Equal Rights (AFER ) in the U.S. District Court in 2010 to overturn Proposition 8 [LINK], a constitutional amendment that eliminated the rights of same-sex couples to marry in the state of California. Framed around the trial's historic closing arguments in June 2010, 8 provides an intimate look what unfolded when the issue of same-sex marriage was on trial."
Not gay, just popped into this thread to see what it's all about, ended up watching the whole play "8". Even though I am a deeply religious Christian who believes the practice of homosexual relationships is a sin, I was undecided on whether same-sex marriage should or should not be legalized. But after watching "8" I think I have to agree that denying marriage to same-sex couples is indeed discrimination and unconstitutional, and same-sex marriage should be allowed.
The pro-Prop 8 argument that same-sex marriage will be against the interest of the State in that it will cause a decline in heterosexual marriage has no empirical basis. And the argument that we should deny marriage to same-sex partners because they can't procreate without a 3rd party also holds no water, because we would need to deny marriage to infertile, sterile and certain handicapped people. In the end, I believe those who are opposed to same-sex marriage do so from a religious stand point of view.
However.
As a Christian and as an American I must recognize two things. First, the laws of America and the teachings of the Bible are separate. The US law is designed to uphold that ALL men are free and have inherent rights, and not uphold every statue of the Bible -- to enforce that would be religious oppression. And just as I do not want to be religiously oppressed, I as an American and Christian should not want others to be religiously oppressed. I cannot ignore the Constitution "That all men are by nature equally free and independent, and have certain inherent rights" nor the Bible "Love your neighbor as yourself" and "Love others as [God] loves them".
Secondly, even though the Bible defines homosexuality as a sin, it's just that: a sin. Any real Christian will tell you that we're all sinners -- and to discriminate based on any one particular sin is not only silly, but hateful, proud, and un-Christian. Let's face it, if we wanted to make homosexuality illegal because it's sin, we would need to make pornography, pride, anger, and laziness illegal too. On that basis, we would all serve many life-times in jail (an eternity, in fact). And while I don't believe in classifying some sins as worse or better than others, I have to believe that stopping ethnic cleansing type wars, liberating women from sex trade, and solving world hunger is 8 billion times more important than trying to end homosexual relationships.
I'll be doing some more research on the matter, both on US law and the Bible, but I think I will become pro-active in supporting gay marriage within my church. Even before, when I was undecided about the issue, I was still shocked that most people in my bible study group thought same-sex marriage was a more important issue than world justice, world hunger, world peace, etc. I was completely flabbergasted and was like "WTF are you serious? You'd rather end same-sex marriage than have world peace???"
Welp, kudos if you read my long wall of text ^^
Thank you for your support and your reply which makes a lot of valid points, which we have been trying to get religious people to see!
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