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Can somebody tell me how bad 2600 mmr is? Cause I didn't think it was great, but certainly not this bad:
My friend is a centaur, bristle layer, pretty good, branching out to LC. So I pick drow for a quircky lane together. We do ok, get 3 kills on the bristle lion lane against us. Our mid razor comes to gank but only right clicks cause he got his first point in static link at lvl 10. Meanwhile our top lane Alchemist -whisp combo feeds 12 KILSS by the 10min mark.
GG
Ok bad game, try another one: LC - lion combo (SO MUCH FUN BTW) against Terrorblade - Skywrath. Going well, 2 kills (they dove under our towerat lvl 3??). Mid necro feeds 2 kills to DP, who ganks top twice. Pretty soon the now fed riki is 4lvls above us and he just 2-shots everyone.
Is this what 2.6k is like, or have I just been unlucky?
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You're unlucky. 2.6k (any) MMR is what you make it.
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On February 05 2014 15:51 Nagvalk wrote:
Can somebody tell me how bad 2600 mmr is? Cause I didn't think it was great, but certainly not this bad:
My friend is a centaur, bristle layer, pretty good, branching out to LC. So I pick drow for a quircky lane together. We do ok, get 3 kills on the bristle lion lane against us. Our mid razor comes to gank but only right clicks cause he got his first point in static link at lvl 10. Meanwhile our top lane Alchemist -whisp combo feeds 12 KILSS by the 10min mark.
GG
Ok bad game, try another one: LC - lion combo (SO MUCH FUN BTW) against Terrorblade - Skywrath. Going well, 2 kills (they dove under our towerat lvl 3??). Mid necro feeds 2 kills to DP, who ganks top twice. Pretty soon the now fed riki is 4lvls above us and he just 2-shots everyone.
Is this what 2.6k is like, or have I just been unlucky?
That's exactly what 2.6k is like.
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On February 05 2014 15:51 Nagvalk wrote:
Can somebody tell me how bad 2600 mmr is? Cause I didn't think it was great, but certainly not this bad:
My friend is a centaur, bristle layer, pretty good, branching out to LC. So I pick drow for a quircky lane together. We do ok, get 3 kills on the bristle lion lane against us. Our mid razor comes to gank but only right clicks cause he got his first point in static link at lvl 10. Meanwhile our top lane Alchemist -whisp combo feeds 12 KILSS by the 10min mark.
GG
Ok bad game, try another one: LC - lion combo (SO MUCH FUN BTW) against Terrorblade - Skywrath. Going well, 2 kills (they dove under our towerat lvl 3??). Mid necro feeds 2 kills to DP, who ganks top twice. Pretty soon the now fed riki is 4lvls above us and he just 2-shots everyone.
Is this what 2.6k is like, or have I just been unlucky?
unlucky, but Alch is a hero notorious for feeding on low levels. People don't realize how incredibly squishy the hero is, rush a quelling blade no regen max grievl greed and end up feeding.
and mids lose sometimes, that stuff happens.
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On February 05 2014 16:00 ReignSupreme. wrote:
You're unlucky. 2.6k (any) MMR is what you make it.
Thanks, I guess? Been struggling in ranked cause it doesn't matter what you do if 3 out of 5 play badly (and I mean really badly) u can't really do anything. Especially not when you like to play suport...
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unlucky, but Alch is a hero notorious for feeding on low levels. People don't realize how incredibly squishy the hero is, rush a quelling blade no regen max grievl greed and end up feeding.
and mids lose sometimes, that stuff happens.
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THIS!!!!! Since the nerf people don't realize that he has no armor or HP!!
Seems like they whatch pro games and then think "I can do that!"
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On February 05 2014 14:45 Staboteur wrote:
And I absolutely leave in that situation. It's quite a lot like muting that way; you won't care about a won/lost game if you're actually unable to see it.
But you do see it. It's on your profile, it's part of your winratio. A lost boring game might not be much, but as was covered in another thread there on TL, it takes very little to affect Win ratio. Having a 55% WR is good, and that's 55 games won, 45 games lost. One game is quite a big deal in this case, so why take that loss just because you have to stomp for 10 minutes?
I'm not playing ranked, so it's honestly not a big deal. I just dislike leavers in any situation and I respect people who stay in the game and play until it's finished, which is why I stayed and wasted 40+ minutes of my life, which could have been a 10 minute free win.
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On February 05 2014 16:33 Nagvalk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 16:00 ReignSupreme. wrote:
You're unlucky. 2.6k (any) MMR is what you make it. Thanks, I guess? Been struggling in ranked cause it doesn't matter what you do if 3 out of 5 play badly (and I mean really badly) u can't really do anything. Especially not when you like to play suport...
You don't need to do much. Your opponents are just as likely as you are to get 3 out of 5 bad players, you just have to be slightly better than other players of your MMR and thus your team has a higher chance of winning than the opponents. Over time, this leads to better winratio. At that point, all you need is massive amounts of games.
Don't see it as a struggle. See it as an enforcement to improve, and just play your best. Some games are lost from the beginning, unless you play a massively snowbally carry (say, TA getting 15 kills by 10 minutes or something crazy like that), you can't solo carry against 5 people, so you shouldn't ever expect yourself to. It's annoying to play support and have bad carrys lose you a game which you set up really nicely, but that's just what it is to be a support. Do just as well next game and chances are, you'll have a carry who is decent enough to win with the space you created for him.
At least, that's what works for me and gets me motivated to play. Instead of saying to myself "I can't do anything, this is boring", I focus on "What could I do better if this game happened again?". Doesn't matter if that would have made us win or not, it's all about improving, I try hard not to blame others for playing badly unless I played almost perfect myself.
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On February 05 2014 16:45 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 16:33 Nagvalk wrote:On February 05 2014 16:00 ReignSupreme. wrote:
You're unlucky. 2.6k (any) MMR is what you make it. Thanks, I guess? Been struggling in ranked cause it doesn't matter what you do if 3 out of 5 play badly (and I mean really badly) u can't really do anything. Especially not when you like to play suport... You don't need to do much. Your opponents are just as likely as you are to get 3 out of 5 bad players, you just have to be slightly better than other players of your MMR and thus your team has a higher chance of winning than the opponents. Over time, this leads to better winratio. At that point, all you need is massive amounts of games. Don't see it as a struggle. See it as an enforcement to improve, and just play your best. Some games are lost from the beginning, unless you play a massively snowbally carry (say, TA getting 15 kills by 10 minutes or something crazy like that), you can't solo carry against 5 people, so you shouldn't ever expect yourself to. It's annoying to play support and have bad carrys lose you a game which you set up really nicely, but that's just what it is to be a support. Do just as well next game and chances are, you'll have a carry who is decent enough to win with the space you created for him. At least, that's what works for me and gets me motivated to play. Instead of saying to myself "I can't do anything, this is boring", I focus on "What could I do better if this game happened again?". Doesn't matter if that would have made us win or not, it's all about improving, I try hard not to blame others for playing badly unless I played almost perfect myself.
I get your point if you are in a higher mmr range where the retardfrequency, i assume, should be lower. But in 2.6k this isnt the case. The outcome of 70% of my AP games in 2.6k is/was decided on feeders, trolls and bad mannered in the first 10 minutes of the game. And believe me, the lower your mmr is the more retards you encounter. Ranked AP is a lottery for whom gets less tards on there team in 2.6k range. Playing with a large stack helps, as it increases the chance on having more tards on the enemy team, haha, tonight pinky were gonna conquer the world But, best is just play AP to have fun and play CM/CD when you want to play more competetive games, with the downside of not playing your favorite hero's/role every game.
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On February 05 2014 16:45 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 16:33 Nagvalk wrote:On February 05 2014 16:00 ReignSupreme. wrote:
You're unlucky. 2.6k (any) MMR is what you make it. Thanks, I guess? Been struggling in ranked cause it doesn't matter what you do if 3 out of 5 play badly (and I mean really badly) u can't really do anything. Especially not when you like to play suport... You don't need to do much. Your opponents are just as likely as you are to get 3 out of 5 bad players, you just have to be slightly better than other players of your MMR and thus your team has a higher chance of winning than the opponents. Over time, this leads to better winratio. At that point, all you need is massive amounts of games. Don't see it as a struggle. See it as an enforcement to improve, and just play your best. Some games are lost from the beginning, unless you play a massively snowbally carry (say, TA getting 15 kills by 10 minutes or something crazy like that), you can't solo carry against 5 people, so you shouldn't ever expect yourself to. It's annoying to play support and have bad carrys lose you a game which you set up really nicely, but that's just what it is to be a support. Do just as well next game and chances are, you'll have a carry who is decent enough to win with the space you created for him. At least, that's what works for me and gets me motivated to play. Instead of saying to myself "I can't do anything, this is boring", I focus on "What could I do better if this game happened again?". Doesn't matter if that would have made us win or not, it's all about improving, I try hard not to blame others for playing badly unless I played almost perfect myself.
My QQ: why is it so rare to find such well mannered, helpfull posts?
Thank you good sir, I shall take your advice to heart.
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Okay so TB is... kind of absurd. I'm not screaming for the nerf bat just yet, but I have no idea what to do about him. I think he's close to 100% in my games so far. (EDIT: yep, 100% winrate in games I've been in)
You can't gank him without multiple chainstuns because of sunder, he's a monster in lane, he farms like crazy if he's not constantly multi-man ganked, and he scales as hard as a void while manfighting the crap out of midgame carries at their peaks.
...what do, exactly?
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@Belisarius
Murdered him as lion + LC when he was jungling, just kept on doing that. HEX+DUEL+Earthspike then later added finger. Worked very well.
Reminds me a lot of jungling naix, gank early and keep ganking.
He does snowball badly even with only lvls and no items. But if he is picked last and you have no stuns or disables on the team its gonnabe rough.
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Just as a random tip keep in mind sunder has a really low range, so kiting him as he gets low can be a good idea.
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Dear Faceless Voids,
please stop casting chronosphere on your whole team to kill one guy. Especially when the whole enemy team is standing right outside.
Sincerly
your Supports.
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On February 05 2014 17:23 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 16:45 Tobberoth wrote:On February 05 2014 16:33 Nagvalk wrote:On February 05 2014 16:00 ReignSupreme. wrote:
You're unlucky. 2.6k (any) MMR is what you make it. Thanks, I guess? Been struggling in ranked cause it doesn't matter what you do if 3 out of 5 play badly (and I mean really badly) u can't really do anything. Especially not when you like to play suport... You don't need to do much. Your opponents are just as likely as you are to get 3 out of 5 bad players, you just have to be slightly better than other players of your MMR and thus your team has a higher chance of winning than the opponents. Over time, this leads to better winratio. At that point, all you need is massive amounts of games. Don't see it as a struggle. See it as an enforcement to improve, and just play your best. Some games are lost from the beginning, unless you play a massively snowbally carry (say, TA getting 15 kills by 10 minutes or something crazy like that), you can't solo carry against 5 people, so you shouldn't ever expect yourself to. It's annoying to play support and have bad carrys lose you a game which you set up really nicely, but that's just what it is to be a support. Do just as well next game and chances are, you'll have a carry who is decent enough to win with the space you created for him. At least, that's what works for me and gets me motivated to play. Instead of saying to myself "I can't do anything, this is boring", I focus on "What could I do better if this game happened again?". Doesn't matter if that would have made us win or not, it's all about improving, I try hard not to blame others for playing badly unless I played almost perfect myself. I get your point if you are in a higher mmr range where the retardfrequency, i assume, should be lower. But in 2.6k this isnt the case. The outcome of 70% of my AP games in 2.6k is/was decided on feeders, trolls and bad mannered in the first 10 minutes of the game. And believe me, the lower your mmr is the more retards you encounter. Ranked AP is a lottery for whom gets less tards on there team in 2.6k range. Playing with a large stack helps, as it increases the chance on having more tards on the enemy team, haha, tonight pinky were gonna conquer the world But, best is just play AP to have fun and play CM/CD when you want to play more competetive games, with the downside of not playing your favorite hero's/role every game.
You'd be surprised, I don't even play ranked yet and I'm at "let's all pick carries and not buy courier" level. It doesn't really matter what level you're at, the matchmaking is still working to equalize teams, which means over time, the chance of getting a game-ruining feeder is the same between you team and your opponents. You can't do anything about this, so you have to make the other games count. I think a lot of people who have problems with feeders etc and feel it's all a lottery are not being critical enough of themselves. It's always easy to blame everything on the drow ranger who is 0/10/0 20 minutes into the game, but it just shields you from the much needed criticism you need for yourself to make a bigger impact next game where that drow ranger is on the opponents team. That, plus the misconception of their own winratio. If I had never checked and someone asked me for my winratio, I would assume I have 40% or so winratio, but checking Dotabuff, i'm at 57% winrate. As long as you're over 50%, you're doing good. if you're over 60%, you're downright ridiculous.
Being realistic, appreciating your own need for improvement and trusting that the matchmaking isn't completely screwed (which it isn't, it's not hard to design a decent MMR system) and focusing on the fact that your winratio is above 50%, that's the key to keep enjoying the game. Blaming others feels good at the time, but just ruins the experience of the game after a while. (Not to say QQ isn't warranted a lot of the time, which is why this thread is good. Keeping it here, away from the actual games  )
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On February 05 2014 18:07 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 17:23 govie wrote:On February 05 2014 16:45 Tobberoth wrote:On February 05 2014 16:33 Nagvalk wrote:On February 05 2014 16:00 ReignSupreme. wrote:
You're unlucky. 2.6k (any) MMR is what you make it. Thanks, I guess? Been struggling in ranked cause it doesn't matter what you do if 3 out of 5 play badly (and I mean really badly) u can't really do anything. Especially not when you like to play suport... You don't need to do much. Your opponents are just as likely as you are to get 3 out of 5 bad players, you just have to be slightly better than other players of your MMR and thus your team has a higher chance of winning than the opponents. Over time, this leads to better winratio. At that point, all you need is massive amounts of games. Don't see it as a struggle. See it as an enforcement to improve, and just play your best. Some games are lost from the beginning, unless you play a massively snowbally carry (say, TA getting 15 kills by 10 minutes or something crazy like that), you can't solo carry against 5 people, so you shouldn't ever expect yourself to. It's annoying to play support and have bad carrys lose you a game which you set up really nicely, but that's just what it is to be a support. Do just as well next game and chances are, you'll have a carry who is decent enough to win with the space you created for him. At least, that's what works for me and gets me motivated to play. Instead of saying to myself "I can't do anything, this is boring", I focus on "What could I do better if this game happened again?". Doesn't matter if that would have made us win or not, it's all about improving, I try hard not to blame others for playing badly unless I played almost perfect myself. I get your point if you are in a higher mmr range where the retardfrequency, i assume, should be lower. But in 2.6k this isnt the case. The outcome of 70% of my AP games in 2.6k is/was decided on feeders, trolls and bad mannered in the first 10 minutes of the game. And believe me, the lower your mmr is the more retards you encounter. Ranked AP is a lottery for whom gets less tards on there team in 2.6k range. Playing with a large stack helps, as it increases the chance on having more tards on the enemy team, haha, tonight pinky were gonna conquer the world But, best is just play AP to have fun and play CM/CD when you want to play more competetive games, with the downside of not playing your favorite hero's/role every game. You'd be surprised, I don't even play ranked yet and I'm at "let's all pick carries and not buy courier" level. It doesn't really matter what level you're at, the matchmaking is still working to equalize teams, which means over time, the chance of getting a game-ruining feeder is the same between you team and your opponents. You can't do anything about this, so you have to make the other games count. I think a lot of people who have problems with feeders etc and feel it's all a lottery are not being critical enough of themselves. It's always easy to blame everything on the drow ranger who is 0/10/0 20 minutes into the game, but it just shields you from the much needed criticism you need for yourself to make a bigger impact next game where that drow ranger is on the opponents team. That, plus the misconception of their own winratio. If I had never checked and someone asked me for my winratio, I would assume I have 40% or so winratio, but checking Dotabuff, i'm at 57% winrate. As long as you're over 50%, you're doing good. if you're over 60%, you're downright ridiculous. Being realistic, appreciating your own need for improvement and trusting that the matchmaking isn't completely screwed (which it isn't, it's not hard to design a decent MMR system) and focusing on the fact that your winratio is above 50%, that's the key to keep enjoying the game. Blaming others feels good at the time, but just ruins the experience of the game after a while. (Not to say QQ isn't warranted a lot of the time, which is why this thread is good. Keeping it here, away from the actual games )
Nice and dandy Jesus, but i think you misread. That you are only trying to improve in unranked is fine, but most who play ranked just want to compete, else they would play unranked. Many people want the certainty to choose there own hero over a CM/CD teamgame because they want to play him in a competitive environment (which doesnt imply they play with the same mindset), thats why they choose AP ranked. Thats why the OP choose AP ranked. When you have played over 100 ranked 2.6k range AP games with a competitive mindset, i would like to know if you have changed your opinion about the matter
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On February 05 2014 17:23 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 16:45 Tobberoth wrote:On February 05 2014 16:33 Nagvalk wrote:On February 05 2014 16:00 ReignSupreme. wrote:
You're unlucky. 2.6k (any) MMR is what you make it. Thanks, I guess? Been struggling in ranked cause it doesn't matter what you do if 3 out of 5 play badly (and I mean really badly) u can't really do anything. Especially not when you like to play suport... You don't need to do much. Your opponents are just as likely as you are to get 3 out of 5 bad players, you just have to be slightly better than other players of your MMR and thus your team has a higher chance of winning than the opponents. Over time, this leads to better winratio. At that point, all you need is massive amounts of games. Don't see it as a struggle. See it as an enforcement to improve, and just play your best. Some games are lost from the beginning, unless you play a massively snowbally carry (say, TA getting 15 kills by 10 minutes or something crazy like that), you can't solo carry against 5 people, so you shouldn't ever expect yourself to. It's annoying to play support and have bad carrys lose you a game which you set up really nicely, but that's just what it is to be a support. Do just as well next game and chances are, you'll have a carry who is decent enough to win with the space you created for him. At least, that's what works for me and gets me motivated to play. Instead of saying to myself "I can't do anything, this is boring", I focus on "What could I do better if this game happened again?". Doesn't matter if that would have made us win or not, it's all about improving, I try hard not to blame others for playing badly unless I played almost perfect myself. I get your point if you are in a higher mmr range where the retardfrequency, i assume, should be lower. But in 2.6k this isnt the case. The outcome of 70% of my AP games in 2.6k is/was decided on feeders, trolls and bad mannered in the first 10 minutes of the game.
This goes for 80% of 5,2k rated games too. No matter what level of pubs you're playing, they're usually stomps.
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On February 05 2014 17:47 Firebolt145 wrote:
Just as a random tip keep in mind sunder has a really low range, so kiting him as he gets low can be a good idea.
this pretty much. Stay calm and out of Sunder range and you'll be ok.
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On February 05 2014 18:58 Xypski wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 17:23 govie wrote:On February 05 2014 16:45 Tobberoth wrote:On February 05 2014 16:33 Nagvalk wrote:On February 05 2014 16:00 ReignSupreme. wrote:
You're unlucky. 2.6k (any) MMR is what you make it. Thanks, I guess? Been struggling in ranked cause it doesn't matter what you do if 3 out of 5 play badly (and I mean really badly) u can't really do anything. Especially not when you like to play suport... You don't need to do much. Your opponents are just as likely as you are to get 3 out of 5 bad players, you just have to be slightly better than other players of your MMR and thus your team has a higher chance of winning than the opponents. Over time, this leads to better winratio. At that point, all you need is massive amounts of games. Don't see it as a struggle. See it as an enforcement to improve, and just play your best. Some games are lost from the beginning, unless you play a massively snowbally carry (say, TA getting 15 kills by 10 minutes or something crazy like that), you can't solo carry against 5 people, so you shouldn't ever expect yourself to. It's annoying to play support and have bad carrys lose you a game which you set up really nicely, but that's just what it is to be a support. Do just as well next game and chances are, you'll have a carry who is decent enough to win with the space you created for him. At least, that's what works for me and gets me motivated to play. Instead of saying to myself "I can't do anything, this is boring", I focus on "What could I do better if this game happened again?". Doesn't matter if that would have made us win or not, it's all about improving, I try hard not to blame others for playing badly unless I played almost perfect myself. I get your point if you are in a higher mmr range where the retardfrequency, i assume, should be lower. But in 2.6k this isnt the case. The outcome of 70% of my AP games in 2.6k is/was decided on feeders, trolls and bad mannered in the first 10 minutes of the game. This goes for 80% of 5,2k rated games too. No matter what level of pubs you're playing, they're usually stomps.
Im now in game with a nature prophet that has the name "75 games games till 0 mmr". he fed pudge level 3 before creep even spawned. This is AP ranked 2.6k Do you have that in 5.2k Xypski?
E: 12 minutes in NP is 0 17 and the coeriers keeps dying aswell.... this doesnt happen at 5.2k now does it. He even keeps sprouting his teamm8's so that they die, he also buys every ward. A smart nature prrophet.
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On February 05 2014 18:43 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 18:07 Tobberoth wrote:On February 05 2014 17:23 govie wrote:On February 05 2014 16:45 Tobberoth wrote:On February 05 2014 16:33 Nagvalk wrote:On February 05 2014 16:00 ReignSupreme. wrote:
You're unlucky. 2.6k (any) MMR is what you make it. Thanks, I guess? Been struggling in ranked cause it doesn't matter what you do if 3 out of 5 play badly (and I mean really badly) u can't really do anything. Especially not when you like to play suport... You don't need to do much. Your opponents are just as likely as you are to get 3 out of 5 bad players, you just have to be slightly better than other players of your MMR and thus your team has a higher chance of winning than the opponents. Over time, this leads to better winratio. At that point, all you need is massive amounts of games. Don't see it as a struggle. See it as an enforcement to improve, and just play your best. Some games are lost from the beginning, unless you play a massively snowbally carry (say, TA getting 15 kills by 10 minutes or something crazy like that), you can't solo carry against 5 people, so you shouldn't ever expect yourself to. It's annoying to play support and have bad carrys lose you a game which you set up really nicely, but that's just what it is to be a support. Do just as well next game and chances are, you'll have a carry who is decent enough to win with the space you created for him. At least, that's what works for me and gets me motivated to play. Instead of saying to myself "I can't do anything, this is boring", I focus on "What could I do better if this game happened again?". Doesn't matter if that would have made us win or not, it's all about improving, I try hard not to blame others for playing badly unless I played almost perfect myself. I get your point if you are in a higher mmr range where the retardfrequency, i assume, should be lower. But in 2.6k this isnt the case. The outcome of 70% of my AP games in 2.6k is/was decided on feeders, trolls and bad mannered in the first 10 minutes of the game. And believe me, the lower your mmr is the more retards you encounter. Ranked AP is a lottery for whom gets less tards on there team in 2.6k range. Playing with a large stack helps, as it increases the chance on having more tards on the enemy team, haha, tonight pinky were gonna conquer the world But, best is just play AP to have fun and play CM/CD when you want to play more competetive games, with the downside of not playing your favorite hero's/role every game. You'd be surprised, I don't even play ranked yet and I'm at "let's all pick carries and not buy courier" level. It doesn't really matter what level you're at, the matchmaking is still working to equalize teams, which means over time, the chance of getting a game-ruining feeder is the same between you team and your opponents. You can't do anything about this, so you have to make the other games count. I think a lot of people who have problems with feeders etc and feel it's all a lottery are not being critical enough of themselves. It's always easy to blame everything on the drow ranger who is 0/10/0 20 minutes into the game, but it just shields you from the much needed criticism you need for yourself to make a bigger impact next game where that drow ranger is on the opponents team. That, plus the misconception of their own winratio. If I had never checked and someone asked me for my winratio, I would assume I have 40% or so winratio, but checking Dotabuff, i'm at 57% winrate. As long as you're over 50%, you're doing good. if you're over 60%, you're downright ridiculous. Being realistic, appreciating your own need for improvement and trusting that the matchmaking isn't completely screwed (which it isn't, it's not hard to design a decent MMR system) and focusing on the fact that your winratio is above 50%, that's the key to keep enjoying the game. Blaming others feels good at the time, but just ruins the experience of the game after a while. (Not to say QQ isn't warranted a lot of the time, which is why this thread is good. Keeping it here, away from the actual games ) Nice and dandy Jesus, but i think you misread. That you are only trying to improve in unranked is fine, but most who play ranked just want to compete, else they would play unranked. Many people want the certainty to choose there own hero over a CM/CD teamgame because they want to play him in a competitive environment (which doesnt imply they play with the same mindset), thats why they choose AP ranked. Thats why the OP choose AP ranked. When you have played over 100 ranked 2.6k range AP games with a competitive mindset, i would like to know if you have changed your opinion about the matter
There is nothing more competitive than improving, unless you somehow feel you're actually being competitive in 2.6k MMR, which doesn't sound very reasonable. I mean, at least if you're competitive in the long term sense, your goal should be to improve, get your MMR up and then compete at a higher level. If you're competitive on a game by game basis, you should probably 5 stack immediately.
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