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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 18 2014 17:41 GMT
#1781
On August 19 2014 02:13 Sn0_Man wrote:
ur so incredibly results oriented on ur builds with such small sample sizes lel.

However, I think it's a credit that you try hard to personally test all these builds yourself despite incorporating so much from the community.


I think you fucked up your first sentence.

Basically all the games I play are testing a round of builds and heroes. Recently it's been Clockwerk, ET (Lane/Mid), Weaver, and now Kunkka.

Before it was Naga Siren, Rubick, Ogre, etc. etc.

I play about 4-5 games a day if I can fit them in every day.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 18 2014 17:42 GMT
#1782
On August 19 2014 02:17 BobMcJohnson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2014 02:13 Sn0_Man wrote:
ur so incredibly results oriented on ur builds with such small sample sizes lel.

However, I think it's a credit that you try hard to personally test all these builds yourself despite incorporating so much from the community.


Would be interesting for guide creators to be able to pull stats from the guide system, like the guide author being able to see the winrate of people that play the game with their guide selected or something.


among many, many things
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-18 17:45:13
August 18 2014 17:42 GMT
#1783
On August 19 2014 02:21 idonthinksobro wrote:
hey torte do you have multiple dota accounts or did you just active the stats sharing for 4 games before you turned it off again? http://www.dotabuff.com/players/37082864/heroes or is that not your account?


That's my account, I played TMM with some friends in a pre-made team in which they had public accounts The_Fame, Alurr, etc.

Naturally, I got wrecked and dragged them down haha. I think one has MoM on Lich for the hell of it, only movement speed items for Spirit Breaker and something else dumb.

They only let me play Lich or Ogre because I'm terrible.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 18 2014 17:46 GMT
#1784
no i definitely didn't.

u play like 2 games with a build and judge it based off of how that game went lol. As if that definitively proves anything. Although I'll grant u that ur experience with a build is probably more relevant to what a guide should read than the current pro meta.

Also i saw that account and was like "wow torte upgraded to 4 VHS games in a row so gud" then u said u were queuing with alurr lol oh

But again, I'm not flaming too much because I think you try incredibly hard to provide this tool and the fact that you not only collate all this info but also put yourself out there to test everything is laudable and ur doing a pretty good job considering how hard it is to keep this shit up to date.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-18 17:50:47
August 18 2014 17:49 GMT
#1785
On August 19 2014 02:46 Sn0_Man wrote:
no i definitely didn't.

u play like 2 games with a build and judge it based off of how that game went lol. As if that definitively proves anything. Although I'll grant u that ur experience with a build is probably more relevant to what a guide should read than the current pro meta.

Also i saw that account and was like "wow torte upgraded to 4 VHS games in a row so gud" then u said u were queuing with alurr lol oh

But again, I'm not flaming too much because I think you try incredibly hard to provide this tool and the fact that you not only collate all this info but also put yourself out there to test everything is laudable and ur doing a pretty good job considering how hard it is to keep this shit up to date.


Oh, it doesn't read right or it reads funny to me??

As I said, I rotate between a variety of heroes everyday when I can to play their builds. I take community feedback, try the builds, check Dotabuff to see what the pros use and check out their replays and then throughout the week I keep doing those builds (4-5 heroes).

Yeah, no. I'm not VHS at all. I'm a very average player.

ps: the obivous downside is that I'm one guy and I have to get comfortable with 127 different guides which is obviously impossible, thankfully you guys are here to say XYZ hero or guide is fucked up (like today with Kunkka which I would have never noticed because I hardly ever play him).

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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 13:17:57
August 18 2014 18:23 GMT
#1786
+ Show Spoiler [Oct 30] +
From our initial start in February 2013 to October 30, we have risen to 3,704,581 combined subscribers

A difference of 628,547

Average growth of subscribers is 29,019.19
+ Show Spoiler [Nov 15] +
After ~15 days (Oct. 30 to Nov. 15), we have risen from 3,076,034 to 3,704,581 combined subscribers

A difference of 628,547

Average Growth of subscribers is 34,948.88
Growth Percentage is 20.43%
+ Show Spoiler [Dec 9] +
After ~15 days (Nov. 15 to Dec. 9), we have risen from 3,704,581 to 4,744,465 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,039,884

Average Growth of subscribers is 43,930.23
Growth Percentage is 28.07%
+ Show Spoiler [Dec 25] +
After ~15 days (Dec. 9 to Dec. 25), we have risen from 4,744,465 to 5,567,569 combined subscribers

A difference of 823,104

Average Growth of subscribers is 50,614.26
Growth Percentage is 17.35%
+ Show Spoiler [Jan 17] +
After ~15 days (Dec. 25 to Jan. 17), we have risen from 5,567,569 to 7,154,041 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,586,472

Average Growth of subscribers is 65,036.74
Growth Percentage is 28.49%
+ Show Spoiler [Feb 4] +
After ~15 days (Jan. 17 to Feb. 4), we have risen from 7,154,041 to 8,708,486 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,554,445

Average Growth of subscribers is 77,066.25
Growth Percentage is 21.73%


Top 10 least popular guides (top being the least popular):
  • Dazzle
  • Faceless Void (recently updated)
  • Lion (recently updated)
  • Phantom Lancer
  • Juggernaut (recently updated)
  • Meepo (needs verification)
  • Tiny [Middle]
  • Invoker (sorely outdated)
  • Ember Spirit
  • Legion Commander [Lane]


Top 10 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage (needs verification)
  • Leshrac
  • Bane
  • Ursa
  • Medusa
  • Venomancer (needs verification)
  • Ancient Apparition
  • Broodmother (recently updated)
+ Show Spoiler [Feb 22] +
After ~15 days (Feb. 5 to Feb. 22), we have risen from 8,708,486 to 10,197,41 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,488,955
Average Growth of subscribers is 90,242.84
Growth Percentage is 17.10%


Top 10 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Lone Druid [Jungle]
  • Slark [Middle]
  • Meepo
  • Faceless Void
  • Dazzle
  • Juggernaut
  • Phantom Lancer
  • Tiny [Middle]
  • Invoker
  • Legion Commander [Lane]


Top 10 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Bane
  • Ursa
  • Medusa
  • Venomancer
  • Pugna
  • Broodmother


It has officially been 1 year since the guide system release (and when I started this project)!
+ Show Spoiler [Mar 10] +
After ~15 days (Feb. 22 to Mar. 10), we have risen from 10,197,451 to 11,694,519 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,496,978
Average Growth of subscribers is 99,953.15
Growth Percentage is 14.68%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Juggernaut (1,219)
  • Phantom Lancer (1,058)
  • Tiny (Middle) (910)
  • Invoker (762)
  • Legion Commander (Lane) (510)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Medusa


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Meepo (1,164 -> 28,208)
  • Ember Spirit (2,358 -> 12,039)
  • Spirit Breaker (4,981 -> 16,666)
  • Pudge (5,900 -> 13,496)
  • Lina (6,407 -> 20,838)
  • Lion (14,324 -> 34,266)
  • Slark (Lane) (15,396 -> 30,426)
  • Weaver (25,342 -> 45,731)
  • Clinkz (31,168 -> 61,833)
  • Mirana (34,910 -> 68,183)
  • Luna (42,572 -> 80,934)
  • Shadow Fiend (79,311 -> 101,547)
  • Terrorblade (86,050 -> 122,345)


Latest Released Guides:
  • Naix (Lane)
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle)
  • Beastmaster (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - March 10th
+ Show Spoiler [Mar 24] +
After ~15 days (Mar. 10 to Mar. 25), we have risen from 11,694,519 to 13,025,681 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,331,162
Average Growth of subscribers is 111,330.607
Growth Percentage is 11.38%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Juggernaut (1,294)
  • Phantom Lancer (1,112)
  • Tiny (Middle) (941)
  • Invoker (770)
  • Legion Commander (Lane) (579)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Medusa


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Lifestealer (Jungle) (737,338 -> 757,516)
  • Bounty Hunter (166,830 -> 190,690)
  • Luna (80,934 -> 111,375)
  • Meepo (28,208 -> 52,003)
  • Ember Spirit (12,039 -> 36,130)
  • Lion (34,266 -> 52,853)


Latest Released Guides:
  • Naix (Lane)
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle)
  • Beastmaster (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - March 24th
+ Show Spoiler [Apr 9] +
After ~15 days (Mar. 25 to Apr. 9), we have risen from 13,025,681 to 14,640,324 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,614,643
Average Growth of subscribers is 125,130.97
Growth Percentage is 12.40%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Phantom Lancer (1,374)
  • Slark (Middle) (1,361)
  • Tiny (Middle) (965)
  • Invoker (790)
  • Legion Commander (Lane) (626)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Medusa


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Phantom Assassin (9,821 -> 22,968)
  • Queen of Pain (15,279 -> 32,355)
  • Faceless Void (5,516 -> 36,628)
  • Ember Spirit (36,130 -> 73,227)
  • Weaver (63,090 -> 89,479)
  • Clinkz (84,839 -> 111,540)
  • Mirana (96,509 -> 127,826)


Latest Released Guides:
  • Naix (Lane)
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle)
  • Beastmaster (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - April 9th
+ Show Spoiler [Apr 24] +
After ~15 days (Apr. 9 to Apr. 24), we have risen from 14,640,324 to 16,154,754 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,514,430
Average Growth of subscribers is 134,754.24
Growth Percentage is 10.53%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Lone Druid (Jungle) (1,520)
  • Slark (Middle) (1,411)
  • Tiny (Middle) (1001)
  • Invoker (800)
  • Legion Commander (Lane) (673)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Medusa


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Luna (146,691 -> 181,478)
  • Zeus (84,722 -> 100,020)
  • Faceless Void (36,628 -> 60,153)
  • Ember Spirit (Lane) (73,227 -> 101,397)
  • Sven (204,354 -> 236,078)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Nyx Assassin (Lane)
  • Axe (Jungle)
  • Ember Spirit (Middle)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle)
  • Beastmaster (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - April 24th
+ Show Spoiler [May 8] +
After ~15 days (Apr. 24 to May 8), we have risen from 16,154,754 to 17,852,025 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,670,590
Average Growth of subscribers is 147,537.40
Growth Percentage is 10.32%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Legion Commander (Lane) (759)
  • Invoker (846)
  • Tiny (Middle) (1047)
  • Slark (Middle) (1,487)
  • Longe Druid (Jungle) (1,610)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Medusa


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Phantom Lancer (3,724 -> 14,651)
  • Dazzle (4,133 -> 15,879)
  • Juggernaut (35,334 -> 61,666)
  • Huksar (59,476 -> 81,357)
  • Lion (92,907 -> 110,668)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Nyx Assassin (Lane)
  • Axe (Jungle)
  • Ember Spirit (Middle)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle)
  • Ursa (Lane)





Associated Reddit Topic - May 8th
+ Show Spoiler [May 22] +
After ~15 days (May 8 to May 22), we have risen from 17,852,025 to 19,767,290 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,915,265
Average growth of subscribers is 162,026.97
Growth Percentage is 10.73%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Ursa (Lane) (289)
  • Beast Master (Middle) (207)
  • Nyx Assassin (Lane) (201)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle) (169)
  • Ember Spirit (136)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Medusa


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Phantom Lancer (14,651 -> 50,104)
  • Dazzle (15,879 -> 35,024)
  • Faceless Void (85,845 -> 116,488)
  • Mirana (187,849 -> 222,947)
  • Luna (212,349 -> 243,569)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Axe (Jungle)
  • Elder Titan (Lane)





Associated Reddit Topic - May 22nd
+ Show Spoiler [June 6] +
After ~15 days (May 22 to June 6), we have risen from 19,767,290 to 21,802,930 combined subscribers

A difference of 2,035,640
Average Growth of subscribers is 178,712.54
Growth Percentage is 9.93%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Nyx Assassin (Lane) (294)
  • Beastmaster (Middle) (238)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle) (209)
  • Axe (Jungle) (197)
  • Ember Spirit (Middle) (164)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Necrophos


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane) (448 -> 2,948)
  • Lone Druid (Jungle) (1,717 -> 7,519)
  • Tinker (81,361 -> 102,509)
  • Huskar (105,637 -> 133,977)
  • Sand King (285,320 -> 318,806)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Elder Titan (Lane)





Associated Reddit Topic - June 6th
+ Show Spoiler [June 20] +
After ~15 days (June 6 to June 20), we have risen from 21,802,930 to 23,956,248 combined subscribers

A difference of 2,153,318
Average Growth of subscribers is 193,195.55
Growth Percentage is 9.88%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Beastmaster (Middle) (269)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle) (227)
  • Axe (Jungle) (218)
  • Ember Spirit (Middle) (182)
  • Tusk (Middle) (106)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Necrophos


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane) (2,948 -> 28,665)
  • Lone Druid (Jungle) (7,519 -> 28,934)
  • Enchantress (75,926 -> 90,296)
  • Phantom Lancer (88,180 -> 125,948)
  • Juggernaut (126,707 -> 163,994)
  • Sand King (318,806 -> 356,684)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Elder Titan (Lane)
  • Naga Siren (Middle)
  • Tusk (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - June 20th
+ Show Spoiler [July 4] +
After ~15 days (June 20 to July 4th), we have risen from 23,956,248 to 25,861,337 combined subscriptions

A difference of 1,905,089
Average Growth of subscribers is 208,559.17
Growth Percentage is 7.95%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle) (257)
  • Axe (Jungle) (254)
  • Ember Spirit (Middle) (206)
  • Tusk (Middle) (136)
  • Elder Titan (Lane) (132)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Necrophos


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane) (28,665 -> 54,426)
  • Lone Druid (Jungle) (28,934 -> 50,379)
  • Enigma (143,931 -> 165,573)
  • Slark (Lane) (148,178 -> 174,693)
  • Juggernaut (163,994 -> 197,295)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Naga Siren (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - July 4th
+ Show Spoiler [July 19] +
After ~15 days (July 4th to July 19th), we have risen from 25,861,337 to 27,755,144 combined subscriptions

A difference of 1,893,767
Average Growth of subscribers is 218,544.44
Growth Percentage is 7.32%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  1. Shadow Shaman (Middle) (286)
  2. Axe (Jungle) (286)
  3. Ember Spirit (Middle) (242)
  4. Elder Titan (Lane) (188)
  5. Tusk (Middle) (177)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  1. Naix (Jungle)
  2. Nyx Assassin
  3. Skywrath Mage
  4. Necrophos (previously rank 5)
  5. Leshrac


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Legion Commander (Middle) (2,377 -> 12,226)
  • Lone Druid (Jungle) (50,379 -> 68,885)
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane) (54,426 -> 81,821)
  • Tinker (140,421 -> 159,260)
  • Enigma (165,573 -> 197,295)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Lycan (Lane)
  • Skywrath Mage (Lane)
  • Dragon Knight (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - July 19th
+ Show Spoiler [August 3] +
After ~15 days (July 19th to August 3rd), we have risen from 27,755,144 to 30,003,730 combined subscriptions

A difference of 2,248,586
Average Growth of subscribers is 236,249.84
Growth Percentage is 8.10


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  1. Ember Spirit (Middle) (338)
  2. Elder Titan (Lane) (269)
  3. Tusk (Middle) (238)
  4. Skywrath Mage (Lane) (206)
  5. Naga Siren (Middle) (168)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  1. Naix (Jungle)
  2. Nyx Assassin (Middle)
  3. Skywrath Mage (Middle)
  4. Necrophos
  5. Sven (previously rank 7)


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Terrorblade (361,318 -> 395,937)
  • Silencer (274,906 -> 293,250)
  • Shadow Shaman (Lane) (274,525 -> 310,355)
  • Sven (446,554 -> 482,174)





Associated Reddit Topic - August 3rd


After ~15 days (August 3rd to August 18th), we have risen from 30,003,730 to 32,005,885 combined subscriptions

A difference of 2,002,155
Average Growth of subscribers is 248,107.64
Growth Percentage is 6.67


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  1. Shadow Shaman (Middle) (402)
  2. Elder Titan (Lane) (369)
  3. Skywrath Mage (Lane) (345)
  4. Tusk (Middle) (307)
  5. Naga Siren (Middle) (222)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  1. Naix (Jungle)
  2. Nyx Assassin (Middle)
  3. Necrophos (previously rank 4)
  4. Skywrath Mage (Middle)
  5. Sven


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane) (114,862 -> 143,205)
  • Enigma (216,943 -> 240,711)
  • Brewmaster (190,123 -> 218,765)
  • Juggernaut (266,505 -> 301,914)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Weaver (Lane)
  • Kunkka (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - August 18th
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-18 18:46:46
August 18 2014 18:32 GMT
#1787
  • Growth of Subscribers still manages to stay at 2 million since August 3rd (or June).
  • Growth Rate Percentage hits all-time low at 6.67% -- Lowest since the guide project back in 2013.

  • Lifestealer (Jungle) Guide maintains its highest rank at 988,087 subscribers
  • 10.22% of last month's unique players [9,664,616] are subscribed to the Lifestealer (Jungle) Guide
  • Sven's popularity is skyrocketing in the ranks, just passing 500,000 subscribers

  • Top 24 guides are approx. 400k subscribers or higher each (up to 900,000+ in a guide)
  • Top 50 guides are approx. 300k subscribers or higher each
  • Top 88 guides are approx. 200k subscribers or higher each
  • Top 110 guides are approx. 100k subscribers or higher each
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8806 Posts
August 19 2014 02:36 GMT
#1788
On August 19 2014 02:01 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2014 22:37 evilfatsh1t wrote:
why would you suggest a new kunkka player to play around his x mark.
if someone is using your guide its because they are bad and dont know how to play properly. logically their opponents are bad as well. then you dont need 2 or 3 lvls of x before lvl 7 because their opponents are bad enough to get hit by the combo without it anyway. the best pub stomp build against bad players is 2-3-0-1 at 6 and 2-4-0-1 at 7. maximise damage, go out of sight for a second, throw boat and torrent and hit with tidebringer. opponent dies because he stood around trying to farm creeps


I think ignoring X Marks all together is detrimental. I think the X to Torrent is a good combination and then they learn to boat.

I am personally a terrible Kunkka player, he is among my least played however, but I still prefer having two in X to be able to remotely useful in battle and ensure at least the Torrent.

I like both systems, for Mid; I assume the player is confident enough in Kunkka to play him in a, considered, crucial role, such as mid. The laning one can be more QW.

Just played ET mid with the new build, it was fantastic!


im not saying ignore x forever, but getting x before lvl 6 or 7 means you need to roam to make use of your set up. theres no point of getting x just to harrass with torrent because higher lvls of tidebringer does a better job at it. it also helps you control your lane in mid too
but someone at a low lvl trying to learn from this guide isnt going to know art of roaming and ganking. and even if he does gank, as long as a teammate has a stun or a slow torrents are still easy enough to land. therefore its more productive for a low lvl player to either just sit in his lane and farm and go for the wombo combo at lvl 6 or 7 without x, rather than to be active around the map early and set up kills
Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 05:49:07
August 19 2014 05:48 GMT
#1789
I think the Bane guide (and probably some similar ones) should have a situational alternative to the core Urn for the early game when a teammate already built one.
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
August 19 2014 07:44 GMT
#1790
On August 19 2014 02:46 Sn0_Man wrote:
no i definitely didn't.

u play like 2 games with a build and judge it based off of how that game went lol. As if that definitively proves anything. Although I'll grant u that ur experience with a build is probably more relevant to what a guide should read than the current pro meta.

Also i saw that account and was like "wow torte upgraded to 4 VHS games in a row so gud" then u said u were queuing with alurr lol oh

But again, I'm not flaming too much because I think you try incredibly hard to provide this tool and the fact that you not only collate all this info but also put yourself out there to test everything is laudable and ur doing a pretty good job considering how hard it is to keep this shit up to date.


I think you misunderstood the purpose of the whole project. Torte explains better but, the idea is not about creating the most optimal builds(if any) and most optimal play styles or whatever. He is trying to give a heads up to the people who are not completely familiar and didn't spend hundreds of game with with a hero.
Sometimes he change without trying to much because the concept and later play with that.

It is largely Torte's effort with some suggestions from the community. It doesn't have to prove anything. Is it useful for anyone? Then well done sir.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 19 2014 10:04 GMT
#1791
On August 19 2014 14:48 Buckyman wrote:
I think the Bane guide (and probably some similar ones) should have a situational alternative to the core Urn for the early game when a teammate already built one.


That's pretty situational for one specific item. What did you have in mind?
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 10:34:58
August 19 2014 10:07 GMT
#1792
On August 19 2014 11:36 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2014 02:01 Torte de Lini wrote:
On August 18 2014 22:37 evilfatsh1t wrote:
why would you suggest a new kunkka player to play around his x mark.
if someone is using your guide its because they are bad and dont know how to play properly. logically their opponents are bad as well. then you dont need 2 or 3 lvls of x before lvl 7 because their opponents are bad enough to get hit by the combo without it anyway. the best pub stomp build against bad players is 2-3-0-1 at 6 and 2-4-0-1 at 7. maximise damage, go out of sight for a second, throw boat and torrent and hit with tidebringer. opponent dies because he stood around trying to farm creeps


I think ignoring X Marks all together is detrimental. I think the X to Torrent is a good combination and then they learn to boat.

I am personally a terrible Kunkka player, he is among my least played however, but I still prefer having two in X to be able to remotely useful in battle and ensure at least the Torrent.

I like both systems, for Mid; I assume the player is confident enough in Kunkka to play him in a, considered, crucial role, such as mid. The laning one can be more QW.

Just played ET mid with the new build, it was fantastic!


im not saying ignore x forever, but getting x before lvl 6 or 7 means you need to roam to make use of your set up. theres no point of getting x just to harrass with torrent because higher lvls of tidebringer does a better job at it. it also helps you control your lane in mid too
but someone at a low lvl trying to learn from this guide isnt going to know art of roaming and ganking. and even if he does gank, as long as a teammate has a stun or a slow torrents are still easy enough to land. therefore its more productive for a low lvl player to either just sit in his lane and farm and go for the wombo combo at lvl 6 or 7 without x, rather than to be active around the map early and set up kills


I think it could go either way, the person may be new to Kunkka as a whole but then they would play side-lane with him as it is generally safer.

If they'd play mid, there's a general understanding that you'd be more active, especially with his combination; thus the build would be setting up for some early ganks (naturally not all mid heroes gank) in which case, the combination with X would be much more akin to that mindset.

There's also the stipulation that the player knows the basics of roaming/ganking. It could go either way, the most feedback I get is that people use these guides when they random a hero they aren't familiar with; so it sounds like this appeals to people who want to play the hero as it would typically be played which is what we're debating.

For higher groups, I'm seeing max Torrent/Tidebringer as well, but they're item build revolves around movement: force staff/Blink Dagger which frames Kunkka's whole playstyle differently.

*New Guides aren't permanent, so this may change to be more Torrent/Tidebringer, but I have to play and try it out and get more feedback as well. Both the lane and mid version will change.

I agree with you thought that early levels of X seem a bit anxious to get so early in the game.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 10:46:25
August 19 2014 10:46 GMT
#1793
Heroes I want to re-examine:

Phantom Assassin
Kunkka (Lane)
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=301735208Kunkka (Middle)
Huskar
Wraith King
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 14:13:23
August 19 2014 14:13 GMT
#1794
PA needs MKB listed as a possible extension. Huskar I think HoD should be moved to situational. It's a good item eventually, but you don't usually want it all that early. Heart and AC need to be added to Extension, and S&Y, Meka, and Phase Boots need to be added to situational.
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 20:23:34
August 19 2014 20:22 GMT
#1795
I didn't have any specific replacement item in mind for Bane; a more experienced player should make that call. But getting double urn on a team is probably not worth it, and the guide should say so.

W.R.T Wraith King, I don't think a (Lane) guide can do him justice when he can either (Farm) or (Support) in lane and mostly uses different items.

Farmer only items: Stout Shield, Armlet, BKB, Maelstrom
Support only items: Courier, Wards, Mek, Vlad's (?), Arcane Boots (?)
Shared Core Items: Tangos, Magic Stick, Treads (?), Blink Dagger
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 19 2014 20:29 GMT
#1796
theres no way u can buy mek on wk. Arcanes suck on him too imo since as support u only need 1 stun anyway before u feed -> full mana and as carry u need treads for ias etc.

Armlet sux compared to mael/mjol. U can still buy blademail/mjollnir on support wk tho it just takes a while to acquire. Often somebody else mjollniring u is better admittedly.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 20 2014 04:41 GMT
#1797
It depends a lot on how fights get engaged. Armlet has stronger up-front damage if your team has a lineup where you Blink->stun->smack them a few times and they're dead with supporting spells. Mael damage is much more dispersed and is better if your team can't kill people straight-up like that and needs the stronger dispersed damage from Mael procs and Mjollnir's Static Charge.
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tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7063 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-20 05:07:54
August 20 2014 05:05 GMT
#1798
For PA I would probably have MKB rather than Halberd in extension items

And for WK it would probably be best to have 2 separate guides, one for support and one for carry.

Also, in the storm spirit guide, i would hold off on that last point in electric vortex at level 10 and instead take remnant at 10/12/13 and take the last point in vortex at 14

And, I would add blink dagger to situational items on timbersaw.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-20 11:41:51
August 20 2014 11:34 GMT
#1799
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 20 2014 11:41 GMT
#1800
On August 20 2014 05:22 Buckyman wrote:
I didn't have any specific replacement item in mind for Bane; a more experienced player should make that call. But getting double urn on a team is probably not worth it, and the guide should say so.

W.R.T Wraith King, I don't think a (Lane) guide can do him justice when he can either (Farm) or (Support) in lane and mostly uses different items.

Farmer only items: Stout Shield, Armlet, BKB, Maelstrom
Support only items: Courier, Wards, Mek, Vlad's (?), Arcane Boots (?)
Shared Core Items: Tangos, Magic Stick, Treads (?), Blink Dagger


I can add it as a note.

Support WK works out well in a coordinated team, but he doesn't fly in pubs. I threw away about spread out 10 games trying to do it and it didn't work out because of the expectancy of the team and 2. Usually other more slotted heroes for support are picked.
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