In-Game Standard Hero Builds Project - Page 157

On February 24 2015 18:14 ahswtini wrote:
so what you're saying is, you want drums?

i don't think it's an issue as long as you're smart with your fights and smart with your dopple dodges

On February 24 2015 07:11 TheYango wrote:
It's actually largely the farming. Once upon a time, when Treads+VG+Yasha was more common than BF-oriented farming builds (when Vanguard was OP and AM had lower BAT), you leveled all the skills and didn't get Stats because if you're going to fight early, all the skills are actually useful (and Spell Shield has more value when you're going an HP item first). When you're just going to farm till 2nd major item, Stats makes you farm faster than anything else other than obviously maxing Blink.

The time you want Blink maxed is, as mentioned, your BF timing. Usually this happens around level 11, so you usually just get ranks 2-4 from either 7-9 or 8-10 (the difference isn't that big because the level 9->10 and 10->11 XP required is relatively small, so for a guide it doesn't matter which you have as cookie-cutter).

Logo's correct, you typically want Mana Break maxed with your Manta, though it really depends on the game. Though Break can get a lot of unexpected value in pubs because if you catch a random support out, you can often blink on them, Manta, auto them a bunch of times, then Void if necessary for an easy kill that would probably not be reasonable without all 4 ranks in Break. What level that is depends a lot on the game, though, especially if you do things like make a detour for Vlad's.

TL;DR
1-1-1 at 3
1-1-1 + 2 pt. Stats at 6 (2nd point in Break is situational, I don't like recommending it in a generic guide)
1-4-1-2 + 3 pt. Stats at 11 (7-9 or 8-10 Blink are both fine, its not a big deal which you put in the guide)
4-4-1-2 + 3 pt. Stats at 14 (possibly mention for Vlad's that you can delay maxing Break for a few levels if you get it)
Maxing Spell Shield or more stats depends (which you put in the guide doesn't matter, both are fine)

EDIT: For the items, I'd say swap BKB and Heart (choice between the two is pretty game dependent, but I'd say Heart is somewhat more likely), and definitely change the starting items to something that doesn't lose to non-shit offlaners.

On February 25 2015 03:26 Logo wrote:


If you have abyssal as like a 100% sure thing you will be going for then you can grab the giant's belt early if you really need the HP. If you are going heart you can instead do the same with a vit booster. I also feel like PL does enough dmg with diffusal where you can leave your treads as STR when you're not fighting, but maybe that's just me. Drums seem out of place on a hero that chases so extremely well already and has no real mana capacity issues.

(Edit you could probably even Ultimate Orb first build a manta or just grab bracers)

On February 25 2015 23:26 robaq wrote:
Medusa should have both MoM and maelstrom as situational items. Also move the manta there, or get rid of it completly as it's a straight bad item in most games.

On February 26 2015 01:18 TheYango wrote:
The guy also plays only Normal matches, so there's no guarantee of how good he actually is, despite being a 1-hero specialist.

On February 26 2015 02:11 Sn0_Man wrote:
I think it goes something like this:

Pretend ur witch doctor. Ur core is Aghs and boots basically. Thats the core, thats ur goal every game, thats what u farm for.
Then ur extension would be BKB. You always want a BKB post aghs, but it's definitely the 2nd item and you don't have to farm for it necessarily. But if u keep farming, ur buying a bkb. It extends your core.

Then ur luxury is like shivas/hex, the shit u get if ur wayyyy too jacked for whatever reason. less important than ur core/extension but worth mentioning because getting that much cash does happen.

Ur situational is shit that u might get before ur extension or even before ur core if u need it. This shit is ghost sceptre, shadowblade, dagon. The shit that isn't for every game but sometimes its more important than ur luxury (often), extension (occasionally) and even than ur core (rarely). It kinda exists outside of the normal item progression.