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I don't think BKB is accurate and I think I want to make it into three tabs: Early-Game Carry Mid-Game Carry End-Game Carry or something like that | ||
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Belisarius
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I do agree the current build is a bit unclear, there's too much stuff in situational with parallel functions. In my opinion the most stable cookie-cutter core is treads>(RoA)>MoM>mael into extension, with situational bfury if you get a good start in a farmy game. Yes, other builds might be more optimal from game to game, but MoM>mael is a safe and stable middle ground and that's really the best you can do in this format. | ||
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TO DO WHEN GUIDES ARE FIXED  Beastmaster (Middle)New Skill Build: Q W Q E Q R Q W W W R E E E R (1. Whirling Axes 2. Call of the Wild 3. Inner Beast) Added Medallion to Situational Items Remove Arcane Boots Added Phase Boots to Core Items (after Blink Dagger) Removed Scythe of Vyse Added Stout Shield to Starting Items Removed Mekansm Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items Beastmaster (Lane)Removed Arcane Boots Removed Bottle Added Medallion to Situational items Added Tranquil Boots to Core Items Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items Added Refresher's Orb to Extension Items Removed Mekansm Moved Necromonicon to Core Items Windranger New Skill Build: E W W Q W Q W R Q Q R E E E R (1. Powershot 2. Shackleshot 3. Windrun) Added Maelstrom to Core Items Added Blink Dagger to Situational Items Moved Monkey King Bar to Situational Items Moved Orchid of Malevolence to Situational Items Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items Removed Mekansm Added Ring of Basilius to Early Game Removed Tangos (one currently in Starting Items) Added Clarity to Starting Items Added Ring of Protection to Starting Items  Anti-MageNew Skill Build: W Q E Stats Stats R Stats W W W R Q Q Q Stats R E E E (1. Blink 2. Mana Break 3. Spell Shield) Added Healing Salve to Starting Items Added 2x Iron Branch to Starting Items Moved Quelling Blade to Core Items Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items Spirit Breaker New Skill Build: Q E W E Q R E E Q Q R W W W R (1. Greater Bash 2. Charge of Darkness 3. Empowering Haste)  MedusaNew Skill Build: W E W Q W R W Q Q Q E E E R Stats R (1. Mystic Snake 2. Split Shot 3. Mana Shield)  Phantom Lancer (Middle) Phantom Lancer (Lane)Added Quelling Blade to Core Items Faceless Void New Skill Build: Q E E Q W R E E Q Q R W W W R (1. Time Lock 2. Time Walk 3. Backtrack) Added Quelling Blade to Core Items Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items Moved Maelstrom to Core Items todo: Warlock Medusa MOM? | ||
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On February 27 2015 18:52 Belisarius wrote: Personally, I feel that's unnecessarily complex. He's not that much more flexible than other carries, and if you do void that way you really have to wonder why you aren't doing the same for like half the cast. I do agree the current build is a bit unclear, there's too much stuff in situational with parallel functions. In my opinion the most stable cookie-cutter core is treads>(RoA)>MoM>mael into extension, with situational bfury if you get a good start in a farmy game. Yes, other builds might be more optimal from game to game, but MoM>mael is a safe and stable middle ground and that's really the best you can do in this format. Yeah, looking at both competitive builds and pub matches, it looks more straight-forward than I thought. I also want to start tackling the magic wand/magic stick situation. I feel overall that some starting items I did for some heroes were swiftly done in view of giving almost every hero magic wand purchases (so their starting items are thus usually always 3x branches). But after realizing that a lot of heroes get six-slotted pretty fast; the magic wand policy of making it a good habit is inherently flawed and ultimately crippling for some heroes; especially those who don't fight for a good portion of the game. | ||
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Wand is often a "do I still have branches lying around and am I using the courier for something else at a convenient time", which is hard to put in a guide. I agree that it's not worth getting 3ggs in starting items solely for wand. It's probably still good practice to put wand on heroes that want to be in midgame fights, which is everything except carries. The harder carries can definitely skip it, as can guys like slark/PL who slot out unreasonably quickly. Even then I would get a wand and sell stout first most games. I'm going to continue beating my starting item drum here as well. It's not possible to buy a stout, 2x regen and 3x branches off starting gold, so I would particularly suggest you drop a branch on anything that has a single regen start. | ||
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On February 27 2015 19:24 ahswtini wrote: so is the problem whether or not to upgrade to wand, or whether to buy a stick in the first place? Both in the sense that:
Then you include heroes that would buy magic wand for the fast stats and due to their team-fighting/ganking orientation. | ||
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So we'll revise: 1. Breakdown all heroes that have wand/don't have wand. 2. Determine which heroes should get wand or magic stick 3. Once divided, re-examine starting items | ||
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On February 27 2015 21:00 Torte de Lini wrote: if you are not buying magic wand, then your starting items may not necessarily ask for 3x Iron Branches. This isn't the main factor in starting branches. People still aggressively bought branches in their starting items long before Magic Wand was even in the game. Branches add ultra-cost-efficiently to your early laning strength. If you're going to hold on to them for any reasonable length of time, they're worth starting with even if you just drop them later when you need slots. The decision to buy wand or not should have nearly zero influence on whether you start with branches or not. | ||
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TO DO WHEN GUIDES ARE FIXED Beastmaster (Middle)New Skill Build: Q W Q E Q R Q W W W R E E E R (1. Whirling Axes 2. Call of the Wild 3. Inner Beast) Added Medallion to Situational Items Remove Arcane Boots Added Phase Boots to Core Items (after Blink Dagger) Removed Scythe of Vyse Added Stout Shield to Starting Items Removed Mekansm Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items Beastmaster (Lane)Removed Arcane Boots Removed Bottle Added Medallion to Situational items Added Tranquil Boots to Core Items Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items Added Refresher's Orb to Extension Items Removed Mekansm Moved Necromonicon to Core Items Windranger New Skill Build: E W W Q W Q W R Q Q R E E E R (1. Powershot 2. Shackleshot 3. Windrun) Added Maelstrom to Core Items Added Blink Dagger to Situational Items Moved Monkey King Bar to Situational Items Moved Orchid of Malevolence to Situational Items Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items Removed Mekansm Added Ring of Basilius to Early Game Removed Tangos (one currently in Starting Items) Added Clarity to Starting Items Added Ring of Protection to Starting Items Anti-MageNew Skill Build: W Q E Stats Stats R Stats W W W R Q Q Q Stats R E E E (1. Blink 2. Mana Break 3. Spell Shield) Added Healing Salve to Starting Items Added 2x Iron Branch to Starting Items Moved Quelling Blade to Core Items Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items Spirit Breaker New Skill Build: Q E W E Q R E E Q Q R W W W R (1. Greater Bash 2. Charge of Darkness 3. Empowering Haste) MedusaNew Skill Build: W E W Q W R W Q Q Q E E E R Stats R (1. Mystic Snake 2. Split Shot 3. Mana Shield) Phantom Lancer (Middle) Phantom Lancer (Lane)Added Quelling Blade to Core Items Faceless Void New Skill Build: Q E E Q W R E E Q Q R W W W R (1. Time Lock 2. Time Walk 3. Backtrack) Added Quelling Blade to Core Items Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items Moved Maelstrom to Core Items  EnigmaNew Skill Build: W E W Q W R W Q Q Q R E E E R (1. Demonic Conversion 2. Malefice 3. Midnight Pulse) Removed Sentry Wards Removed Observer Wards Removed Flying Courier Removed Dust of Appearance Removed Radiance Added Rod of Atos to Situational Items Added Force Staff to Situational Items Added Power Treads to Core Items moved Mekansm to before Black King Bar Created New Tab: "Luxury Items" Moved Boots of Travel to Luxury Items Moved Refresher's Orb to Luxury Items Added Pipe of Insight to Situational Items | ||
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On March 01 2015 23:44 Logo wrote: I've been seeing more FV's build Agh's as core (with some combo of MoM, Mael, or Midas before the Aghs) as it seems to solve the mana and cooldown nerfs, but the top players on DotA Buff seem all over the place so maybe there's just nothing to be done yet until he gets resolved after the changes. I based it off DAC builds which were a bit more streamline and some of top DotaBuff players since some were pretty inconsistent yeah. I think with how the meta is, I can understand Aghs as core now though. | ||
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