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Torte de Lini
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On March 03 2015 02:05 Logo wrote: Was this a new guide or just really really impressive growth? It is not a new guide, just very impressive growth, it was published back in October 2014: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=330545830 | ||
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Torte de Lini
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Torte de Lini
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On March 03 2015 02:05 Logo wrote: Was this a new guide or just really really impressive growth? This is surprising since Lina Mid is popular now and the guide seems up to date with how mid lina is being played. It's a question of ratings and time. A lot of guides don't pick up fame until 6 months later sometimes. Even then, there is a massive gap of growth between 0 to 100,000; 100,000 to 300,000 and 300,000++ | ||
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Buckyman
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On March 01 2015 23:35 Torte de Lini wrote: Removed Flying Courier All the other support items can go away, but Flying Courier should 100% be upgraded if it isn't already with the first delivery after 4:00. | ||
TheYango
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Logo
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Yurie
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On March 03 2015 05:03 Logo wrote: What's the driving force behind the medusa skill change? It makes a lot of sense, but I'd love to see examples of that build in action as I've only ever seen Mystic Snake > Mana Shield > Split Shot. Been seeing a lot of builds skip level 11 because of how the general pace of the game goes. http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1221819600 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1221651808 Usually you need 1 in ultimate to escape and then you can delay it because you are generally farming your core anyways. I opted for Q instead of stats | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
 EnigmaNew Skill Build: W E W Q W R W Q Q Q R E E E R (1. Demonic Conversion 2. Malefice 3. Midnight Pulse) Removed Radiance Added Rod of Atos to Situational Items Added Force Staff to Situational Items Added Power Treads to Core Items moved Mekansm to before Black King Bar Created New Tab: "Luxury Items" Moved Boots of Travel to Luxury Items Moved Refresher's Orb to Luxury Items Added Pipe of Insight to Situational Items | ||
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tehh4ck3r
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On March 03 2015 07:07 tehh4ck3r wrote: For enigma, you should skip leveling black hole level 2/3 until level 24 and 25. the cooldown reduction and damage increase are negligible, but the mana cost increase is pretty significant for a hero like enigma. plus not leveling black hole at 11 means you get more points in midnight pulse faster which is more efficient damage. also you should move mek to be before blink; a fast mek is much more likely to be impactful in a pub than a fast blink (at least in my experience) Yeah, I saw this suggested a few times about moving Meka before Blink but it didn't compute in my head where Meka is on the down and blink is on the up. I know Meka has always been good on Enigma, but I can see how Meka is always than better than blink: especially when you only have brown boots and cant get blink incredibly fast | ||
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Buckyman
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tehh4ck3r
Magrathea7086 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + i was very tempted to use a graph to explain my argument here | ||
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Sn0_Man
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Buckyman
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On March 03 2015 07:42 Sn0_Man wrote: pipe is permanently situational and isn't better on venge than on other supports. In fact it's possibly worse since venge has singularly awful farming tools, possibly the very worst out of all common supports, rivalling treant's low farm potential. That said, it's a good item in the right game. I don't see how she's any worse than, say, Ancient Apparition or Bane. Especially since Wave+Aura eventually lets her clear camps during downtime. The special upside is that it mostly fixes the problem of getting nuked down after a swap initiate. | ||
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Rocket-Bear
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And Atos being core on AA in both middle and lane is really weird to me idontknow kev. Euls/Force is ok sometimes before aghs but aghs is just too gamechanging on AA to delay for an Atos. Even for Aui. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Usually you want it on a core who can use the early regen from Hood to farm (e.g. Centaur) or take the stats hit. If its on a support, its on one who's fighting power doesn't depend so much on their stats to determine their fighting strength. VS doesn't fit that mold at all--getting a ton of base stats from more cost-effective items makes her way more useful in a fight. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On March 03 2015 07:38 tehh4ck3r wrote: with blink your fighting potential is greater overall but you can't fight as often since BH has a ridiculously long cooldown; with mek your fighting potential is not quite as good but you can fight way more often since mek has a much shorter cooldown than bh. plus, mek is generally more effective the earlier you can get it. + Show Spoiler + i was very tempted to use a graph to explain my argument here Isn't your fighting potential still maintained with Blink -> Q? On March 03 2015 08:07 Rocket-Bear wrote: I would never get pipe on AA or Bane though. And Atos being core on AA in both middle and lane is really weird to me idontknow kev. Euls/Force is ok sometimes before aghs but aghs is just too gamechanging on AA to delay for an Atos. Even for Aui. Atos, I believe, was Yango's suggestion back then. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 03 2015 16:13 Torte de Lini wrote: Atos, I believe, was Yango's suggestion back then. Torte pls Don't mis-attribute things to me. I never suggested Atos first major item. My thing was always Meka first on core AA (which nobody really plays anymore), with possible Force or Atos follow-up. My only real comment was that it was probably still better than Eul's (mostly cuz I don't find the Eul's combo that appealing on that hero and he doesn't really farm with spells so the regen's kinda worthless). YOU picked Atos-first because Sn0 and I couldn't agree on what to do with items (I felt Meka/Force before Agha was reasonable while Sn0 thought Force was a worthless item for AA to buy and that the Agha timing was just outright more important) and it was the only item we both agreed was kinda ok, so you put it with Agha in core. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On March 03 2015 18:24 TheYango wrote: Torte pls Don't mis-attribute things to me. I never suggested Atos first major item. My thing was always Meka first on core AA (which nobody really plays anymore), with possible Force or Atos follow-up. My only real comment was that it was probably still better than Eul's (mostly cuz I don't find the Eul's combo that appealing on that hero and he doesn't really farm with spells so the regen's kinda worthless). YOU picked Atos-first because Sn0 and I couldn't agree on what to do with items (I felt Meka/Force before Agha was reasonable while Sn0 thought Force was a worthless item for AA to buy and that the Agha timing was just outright more important) and it was the only item we both agreed was kinda ok, so you put it with Agha in core. Sorry, it's not a mention of blame but rather an attribution to why I made the decision. Ultimately it is in the guide because what you said made sense when I was unsure and I followed it with my own rationale. If I recall, you said Atos was better than Eul's because for heroes that can escape, they would with the Eul's combo anyways. So Atos was overall better. That's what I recall, maybe I'm misinformed. For AA, I will play him today and see how reasonable it is to rush Aghs. I personally like him getting other items before Aghs, but I can see this is a constant discussion stemming from my stubborness. | ||
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