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drums vlads and mek all suck on support nyx
force is still good and I think most of the time you'd still buy dagon before E-blade unless you had a very specific use for the eblade.
levelling nyx is funny too cuz both e and w are good value points pre-6 yet they really need levels to be effective after that. Carapace max is worse since the change to mana burn millions of patches ago, but level 1 is such a short stun. I kinda like something like 4-3-2-2 at 11 but I'm not really sold on that. It's at least debatable what skill you put points into after impale IMO.
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Now I know why I didn't update Beastmaster guide because you can't put any levels in the ultimate, so it's essentially stuck. So if I update it, the skill build no longer works.
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On February 19 2015 02:15 Sn0_Man wrote:
levelling nyx is funny too cuz both e and w are good value points pre-6 yet they really need levels to be effective after that. Carapace max is worse since the change to mana burn millions of patches ago, but level 1 is such a short stun. I kinda like something like 4-3-2-2 at 11 but I'm not really sold on that. It's at least debatable what skill you put points into after impale IMO.
I mean practically you choose based on whichever fucks over the enemy team harder.
I'm not sure I like 4-3-2 over 4-1-4 or 4-4-1 because if you're going to level it, you may as well go all the way because going from 12s CD to 4 is way more impactful than going from 28 to 20 or 20 to 12.
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If you're going to keep Axes max for mid, you get Aura at 2, not 4.
I'm pretty sure I said this months ago.
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On February 19 2015 02:50 TheYango wrote:
If you're going to keep Axes max for mid, you get Aura at 2, not 4.
I'm pretty sure I said this months ago.
I believe I kept it on file but forgotten about it as you can see, I can't change the guides whatsoever.
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Why exactly are you removing both Bottle and Basi from Pugna?
Pugna is going to buy at least 1 of either Bottle, Basi, or SR.
EDIT: Also, I have no clue why you're butchering that hero's items by removing Meka, Necro, and Arcanes entirely.
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On February 20 2015 01:40 TheYango wrote:
Why exactly are you removing both Bottle and Basi from Pugna?
Pugna is going to buy at least 1 of either Bottle, Basi, or SR.
EDIT: Also, I have no clue why you're butchering that hero's items by removing Meka, Necro, and Arcanes entirely.
Not seeing anyone actually buy those items across 10 players + pro matches. Everyone has shifted away from those items
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Uhh, pro matches use Arcanes+Meka mostly.
Agha rush is common in pubs so it's fine to have that as core, but Arcanes+Meka is still definitely the most common when the hero gets used in pro games (which is like, once in a blue moon, but whatever).
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On February 20 2015 03:26 TheYango wrote:
Uhh, pro matches use Arcanes+Meka mostly.
Agha rush is common in pubs so it's fine to have that as core, but Arcanes+Meka is still definitely the most common when the hero gets used in pro games (which is like, once in a blue moon, but whatever).
Link to me one within the past two weeks as I haven't found any.
With the pushing strategy pretty diminished, I followed the current strategy as that is how people are commonly playing him now
I will implement both builds if we can find it used.
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You can datdota the hero yourself, the majority of 6.83 games are with Arcanes Meka.
The hero isn't good right now but that doesn't mean how the hero is played suddenly changed. Agha rush was already common in pubs before he got less popular in pro play.
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You should still have either Bottle or SR on the Pugna guide.
Most of the time, if they don't have one at the end of the game, it's because they sold it, since Pugna does outgrow them. But his early game mana usage is so high that you usually want one or the other.
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On February 21 2015 03:55 TheYango wrote:
You should still have either Bottle or SR on the Pugna guide.
Most of the time, if they don't have one at the end of the game, it's because they sold it, since Pugna does outgrow them. But his early game mana usage is so high that you usually want one or the other.
SR, then I'll change pub build into tranquils
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Yesterday was the two-year anniversary for the guides, we've come quite far and it's good to know we will move forward with the same positivism and achievement.
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IDK how I feel about the Nyx skill orders.
For mid, I feel like you'd probably go WQQ more often because like Lion's Impale, Nyx's is actually super shit on rank 1, and there's a ton of heroes rank 1 Mana Burn is more useful to have against (e.g. Bottle Crow mids that have shit base mana and get like 2 spellcasts off their base mana pool). Both skills are pretty meh at level 1 though, and it really does depend a lot on what the heroes are, so it's not really that different either way.
For "Lane" its kinda awkward cuz for a support Nyx, most of what you're doing is almost never going to involve enemy heroes actually throwing spells back at you (e.g. you're ganking someone and they're just running), and Mana Burn is more annoying to an offlaner--so Carapace at 2 feels weird. If you're an offlane Nyx, the skill keeps you alive against supports, but I have a hard time seeing a lot of scenarios for a support Nyx where Carapace consistently does useful things at level 2.
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On February 23 2015 09:00 TheYango wrote:
IDK how I feel about the Nyx skill orders.
For mid, I feel like you'd probably go WQQ more often because like Lion's Impale, Nyx's is actually super shit on rank 1, and there's a ton of heroes rank 1 Mana Burn is more useful to have against (e.g. Bottle Crow mids that have shit base mana and get like 2 spellcasts off their base mana pool). Both skills are pretty meh at level 1 though, and it really does depend a lot on what the heroes are, so it's not really that different either way.
For "Lane" its kinda awkward cuz for a support Nyx, most of what you're doing is almost never going to involve enemy heroes actually throwing spells back at you (e.g. you're ganking someone and they're just running), and Mana Burn is more annoying to an offlaner. If you're an offlane Nyx, the skill keeps you alive against supports, but I have a hard time seeing a lot of scenarios for a support Nyx where Carapace consistently does useful things at level 2.
It's another "situational" predicament. For offlane, I was figuring that Mana burn was ideal with 1 point in E; however I haven't personally found much success overall.
For Mid Nyx, I can see the appeal for W first, but at level 1, I would assume most Nyx players are passive, at least with lvl1 Q, you can follow-up stun at runes 0:00.
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I've definitely missed kills because a mid Nyx i ganked for insta-skilled Mana Burn rather than waiting to skill and leveling Impale when i was going to gank, so it's probably fine.
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