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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Dunno what ur doing with tide but since his E requires maxing to properly ancient clear now, I don't think the 3 in w at 6 build is good anymore. You likely want just e/w/e/w/e/r/e/w/q/q/r/ i thin. And u un-updated ur WW guide that we covered shouldn't be taking W at level 2 if you aren't also taking it at level 3. Either Q/W/W/E/W or Q/E/W/W/W (or non-W maxing builds could be legit but I'm not convinced. W owns) | ||
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On February 14 2015 01:27 Sn0_Man wrote: I thought that we covered getting one in flamebreak on bat at 8. its definitely good. Dunno what ur doing with tide but since his E requires maxing to properly ancient clear now, I don't think the 3 in w at 6 build is good anymore. You likely want just e/w/e/w/e/r/e/w/q/q/r/ i thin. And u un-updated ur WW guide that we covered shouldn't be taking W at level 2 if you aren't also taking it at level 3. Either Q/W/W/E/W or Q/E/W/W/W (or non-W maxing builds could be legit but I'm not convinced. W owns) I must have copied the wrong patch -notes fuck. for Tidehunter: I am finding difficulty pinpointing the exact right build as it is highly situational. 2. Batrider will change 3. typo on WW Opinion on starting items for WW? | ||
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Sn0_Man
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On February 14 2015 01:38 Sn0_Man wrote: ur support starting items are always bad because the correct ones are ususally wards+courier+tango+(sentries/regen/branches/save for crow or boots). So I don't really have recommendations. I think he definitely needs at least 1 clarity though. gee thanks rofl  I'll just have to test it, I think the healing salve might be a bit much | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 14 2015 01:38 Sn0_Man wrote: ur support starting items are always bad because the correct ones are ususally wards+courier+tango+(sentries/regen/branches/save for crow or boots). So I don't really have recommendations. I think he definitely needs at least 1 clarity though. Basically this. You have the luxury of having some flexibility if the other support actually helps out, but that's always a crapshoot. On February 14 2015 01:27 Sn0_Man wrote: Dunno what ur doing with tide but since his E requires maxing to properly ancient clear now, I don't think the 3 in w at 6 build is good anymore. You likely want just e/w/e/w/e/r/e/w/q/q/r/ i thin. I'd still go EWWEE. The damage reduction on W is more significant for your survivability/lane pressure at level 3, and you don't really want the mana cost on E to grow too aggressively at early levels. 3 W by 6 is ok, but it's super situational depending on how fast you're getting levels relative to the size of your Ancient stack. | ||
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TheYango
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TheYango
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Looks like Bladefury is being maxed now. Few pros are playing him, but thus far, it looks like Agh and Bladefury are back in rotation. | ||
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Jaeger
United States1150 Posts
Aggro dual lane jug in a lane where bladefury max gives a lot of kill potential. | ||
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Germany38463 Posts
On February 14 2015 05:48 Jaeger wrote: Not sure you can really extrapolate that game into a trend. Aggro dual lane jug in a lane where bladefury max gives a lot of kill potential. Sadly not, it's either one or the other; so I have to decide which we're keeping. | ||
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Jaeger
United States1150 Posts
But if you had to pick one I'd still stick with the current 1-1-1 stats phase MoM manta guide for now. P.S. It was really cool to watch the pro-games over the past 2 months as players experimented with wildly different skill and item builds on him and watch it pretty quickly converge to a standard. | ||
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On February 14 2015 08:27 Jaeger wrote: Having a guide for an aggressive gank oriented jug vs a more passive farm oriented carry jug doesn't seem bad to me.. But if you had to pick one I'd still stick with the current 1-1-1 stats phase MoM manta guide for now. P.S. It was really cool to watch the pro-games over the past 2 months as players experimented with wildly different skill and item builds on him and watch it pretty quickly converge to a standard. I agree, but I stick to the Lane/Middle/Jungle style for simplicity and 2. to limit the amount of guides and builds I have to update. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
I've said this before, but I agree that your supports should always be getting tango+cour+obs in their starting items. 1p4 is like 4 times more common than double supports in pubs, and even then the second support starts building a null half the time anyway. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On February 14 2015 04:29 Torte de Lini wrote: http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1234090791 Looks like Bladefury is being maxed now. Few pros are playing him, but thus far, it looks like Agh and Bladefury are back in rotation. Look at the way crit is leveled this game - he delays the 2-4th points until level 17. People are still playing around with what works best right now, technically 2-4 ranks of the crit are less efficient than the UI says (it uses PRD i think, at 25% it's really 24.9%). By this I mean wait like a week, when magnus first came out every pro was going battlefury on him. | ||
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Germany38463 Posts
On February 14 2015 09:12 Nevuk wrote: Look at the way crit is leveled this game - he delays the 2-4th points until level 17. People are still playing around with what works best right now, technically 2-4 ranks of the crit are less efficient than the UI says (it uses PRD i think, at 25% it's really 24.9%). By this I mean wait like a week, when magnus first came out every pro was going battlefury on him. youre right, just sorta hard to make up my mind | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On February 14 2015 09:32 Torte de Lini wrote: Just played Jugg with the current stats build and did abysmal youre right, just sorta hard to make up my mind I mean, fundamentally the hero is weaker overall regardless. He's still going to be strong, it wasn't a morph tier nerf but a single loss doesn't really say anything about him, he'll feel weaker going the non-stats build too because of the agility nerf. | ||
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On February 14 2015 10:29 Nevuk wrote: I mean, fundamentally the hero is weaker overall regardless. He's still going to be strong, it wasn't a morph tier nerf but a single loss doesn't really say anything about him, he'll feel weaker going the non-stats build too because of the agility nerf. I think his build is slightly off as I feel early on relatively weaker, but late-game; despite higher levels, I'm not dealing the damage I need to deal | ||
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 BatriderNew Skill Build: Q E Q E E R E W Q Q R W W W (1. Firefly 2. Sticky Napalm 3. Flamebreak) Added Tranquil Boots to Core Items Added Ghost Scepter  ChenRemoved Tab: Core - Aghanim's Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items Moved Necromonicon to Situational Items Moved Force Staff to Extension Items  ClinkzCreated New Tab: "Situational Items" Added Medallion of Courage to Situational Items Moved Helm of the Dominator to Situational Items Added Diffusal Blade to Situational Items Added Scythe of Vyse to Extension Items Added Monkey King Bar to Extension Items Added Eye of Skadi to Extension Items Removed Butterfly  LunaMoved Manta Style to Core Items Added Assault Cuirass to Situational Items  Doom (Jungle)Removed Tab: Core Items - Carry Moved Hand of Midas to Situational Items Removed Drums of Endurance Added Ring of Protection to Early Game  Slark (Middle)New Skill Build: W Q E Q Q R Q W W W R E E E (1. Dark Pact 2. Pounce 3. Essence Shift) Slark (Lane)New Skill Build: W Q E Q Q R Q W W W R E E E (1. Dark Pact 2. Pounce 3. Essence Shift) Added Ring of Aquila to Early Game Removed Poor Man's Shield Moved Magic Wand to Early Game Removed Orb of Venom Oracle (Lane) Moved Mekansm to Situational Items Moved Urn of Shadows to Core Items Added Medallion of Courage to Situational Items Oracle (Middle) Added Medallion of Courage to Situational Items New Guide Winter Wyvern (Lane) Skill Build: Q E W W W R W Q Q Q R E E E (1. Splinter Blast 2. Arctic Burn 3. Cold Embrace) Starting Items: Courier/Wards, 3x Iron Branches, Clarity, Tangos, Healing Salve Early Game: Soul Ring, Boots of Speed, Magic Wand Core Items: Tranquil Boots, Force Staff, Eul's Scepter of Divinity Utility Items: Flying Courier, Observer Wards, Sentry Wards, Dust of Appearance, Gem of True Sight, Smoke of Deceit Situational Items: Medallion of Courage, Mekansm, Arcane Boots, Blink Dagger, Ghost Scepter, Rod of Atos Extension Items: Shiva's Guard, Scythe of Vyse, Refresher's Orb Luxury Items: Eye of Skadi, Boots of Travel  TidehunterNew Skill Build: E W E W W R Q E E W R Q Q Q  JuggernautNew Skill Build: Q W E Stats Stats R Stats Stats E W R E E W W R (1. Blade Dance 2. Healing Ward 3. Blade Fury) Removed Magic Wand Added Ring of Aquila to Early Game Windranger Added Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items Added Daedalus to Extension Items Added Mjollnir to Extension Items Added Black King Bar to Situational Items | ||
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