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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-17 12:12:58
February 15 2015 11:08 GMT
#3061
After ~15 days (January 31st to February 15th), we have risen from 57,300,847 to 59,816,232
combined subscriptions


A difference of 2,515,385
Average Growth of subscribers is 409,700.22
Growth Percentage is 4.39%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  1. Gyrocopter (Middle) (623)
  2. Warlock (Middle) (440)
  3. Brewmaster (Middle) (413)
  4. Lina (Middle) (202)
  5. Alchemist (Middle) (197)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  1. Lifestealer (Jungle)
  2. Nyx Assassin (Middle)
  3. Sven
  4. Necrophos
  5. Sand King


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Axe (Jungle) (136,155 -> 174,638)
  • Troll Warlord (Lane) (405,014 -> 442,802)
  • Juggernaut (682,197 -> 749,101)
  • Phantom Lancer (Lane) (706,427 -> 739,824)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Winter Wyvern




Associated Reddit Topic - n/a
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 15 2015 11:15 GMT
#3062
  • Growth of Subscribers still manages to stay at 2 million growth since August 3rd.
  • Growth Rate Percentage marginally drops to 4.40%.

  • 11.93% of last month's unique players [10,643,617] are subscribed to the Lifestealer (Jungle) Guide
  • approx. 200k subscribed guides typically have the weakest growth while guides in the 300 to 400k jump a minimum of 20 to 30,000 new subscribers per guide

  • Top 18 guides are approx. 700k subscribers or higher each (up to 1 million in a guide)
  • Top 38 guides are approx. 600k subscribers or higher each (up to 1 million in a guide)
  • Top 58 guides are approx. 500k subscribers or higher each
  • Top 85 guides are approx. 400k subscribers or higher each
  • Top 106 guides are approx. 300k subscribers or higher each
  • Top 117 guides are approx. 200k subscribers or higher each
  • Top 125 guides are approx. 100k subscribers or higher each
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-15 19:24:25
February 15 2015 19:22 GMT
#3063
Troll Warlord (Middle)
Troll Warlord (Lane)
Moved Drums of Endurance to Situational Items
Added Blink Dagger to Situational Items
Added Quelling Blade to Situational Items
Moved Helm of the Dominator to Core Items
Added Eye of Skadi to Extension Items
Removed Vladmir's Offering

todo:
Warlock
Spirit Breaker

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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 16 2015 22:49 GMT
#3064
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128932114
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129193377
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129079469

Nyx, Necro and Sven about to hit 1 million subscriptions. It's insanely scary.
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tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7086 Posts
February 16 2015 22:56 GMT
#3065
You should probably switch dagon and blink dagger for nyx
AdministratorIn those days, spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-16 22:59:20
February 16 2015 22:59 GMT
#3066
Dagger should be core with Dagon.

edit: cloud servers are down.
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tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7086 Posts
February 17 2015 07:51 GMT
#3067
On February 17 2015 07:59 Torte de Lini wrote:
Dagger should be core with Dagon.

edit: cloud servers are down.


right now dagon and arcanes are the only core items on the build you linked
AdministratorIn those days, spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 17 2015 09:08 GMT
#3068
On February 17 2015 16:51 tehh4ck3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2015 07:59 Torte de Lini wrote:
Dagger should be core with Dagon.

edit: cloud servers are down.


right now dagon and arcanes are the only core items on the build you linked


cloud servers are down, so I cant add anything
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-17 12:50:41
February 17 2015 12:44 GMT
#3069
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60 million

February 17th, 2015 :
60 Million subscriptions across 146 guides

December 18th, 2014 :
50 Million subscriptions across 143 guides


October 16th, 2014 :
40 Million subscriptions across 138 guides


August 3rd, 2014 :
30 Million subscriptions across 127 guides


May 27th, 2014 :
20 Million subscriptions across 122 guides


February 22nd, 2014 :
10 Million subscriptions across 112 guides
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
February 17 2015 19:29 GMT
#3070
Seconding core blink on Nyx.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
February 17 2015 21:35 GMT
#3071
Is the Beastmaster guide still correct/relevant? I was surprised to see axes maxed first, I thought maxing Call was sort of the new way to play the hero since the changes made levels in call more important, no composite damage on axes, and you can get 2 boars for kill attempts.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-17 22:36:19
February 17 2015 22:20 GMT
#3072
Beastmaster skill order is super situational.

Double Boar isn't for kill attempts, it's for laning against certain lanes. The main difference is that the axes damage type change means he sucks ass in a lot of lanes he used to be able to stalemate with Axes+bottle-crow, and your farming efficiency with an Ancient stack is way poorer. So you don't want to pick him in those situations anymore, and he gets picked in situations where you can use double Boar to dick over a weak melee lane.

That said, I don't know when you decided to change BM mid to have no aura till 10. I'm pretty sure I explained why you take aura at 2 as mid BM (or 4 if you're maxing Call), and even if you're going max Call, you're most likely going to be 1-2-1 at 4, not 2-2-0. 2-2-0's more likely for offlane.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
February 17 2015 22:23 GMT
#3073
On February 18 2015 07:20 TheYango wrote:
Beastmaster skill order is super situational.

Double Boar isn't for kill attempts, it's for laning against certain lanes.

That said, I don't know when you decided to change BM mid to have no aura till 10.


Yeah idk I don't play BM a lot, I just played him recently using the guide and felt like an idiot from level 7-9 running around with max axes and summons that felt incredibly weak when it really seemed like I wanted the exact opposite.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-17 22:51:32
February 17 2015 22:31 GMT
#3074
I mean it depends if you were mid or offlane.

If you're offlane, you can't catch up as easily with ancient stack clearing like you used to because your clearing efficiency is worse now with how much less damage Axes does to creeps (it used to be that you just wanted to hit 7 with max Axes, then clear your Ancient stack immediately for like 2 levels). So he's only really comfortable to play offlane if you can actually get farm on the lane, and rather than abusing Axes to farm, you use the Boar to dick over a laner who has a hard time dealing with the Boar slowing him all the time and giving you a lasthit advantage when you time it with your hero's lasthits.

If you're mid, his Bottle-crow farming is also shittier than it used to be--when before Axes high base damage + Aura natural auto-pushing meant you could get lane pressure against most other mids and just stalemate. You actually have a harder time stalemating that way now because of how much lower Axes damage is, so you only really want to play him mid against those kinds of heroes that just get pushed around by the Boar being on them all the time.

EDIT: Also, you probably did this at the same time you changed the skill order--but there's like zero point in going Arcanes if you're not going Meka. Pretty much all the benefits of Arcanes come through it being paired with Meka (Arcanes mana is needed to support Meka, but also Arcanes+Headdress+Bottle balancing out your HP+Mana recovery in normal farming patterns in jungle/ancients). If you're going Blink first item, you're either going to get Tranqs, Phase, or just stick on Brown Boots, because otherwise your mana/HP balance gets super weird with nothing to spend so much mana on (especially if you max Call). You also really don't want Agha 2nd item if you're getting Blink. They're kind of redundant--they both supplement your initiation range with Roar, but Agha supplements your combat stats a little better than Blink and is usually a smoother followup to Meka. With Blink first, you're more likely to get Force, Necro, or Vlad after (Necro's probably the cookie-cutter choice).

Arcanes Meka is probably still ok, but people don't pick him for that anymore because he doesn't farm them super fast like he used to when Axes did more damage. But your current items look like you just swapped Meka out for Blink without thinking about how that changes his overall progression.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
February 18 2015 02:27 GMT
#3075
Going Tranquil instead of Arcane definitely helped the mid game on my BM. Still lost because I was #5 support BM and our three cores had no farm at all but thems the breaks. I think other boots would definitely help in the guide. I still like the idea of focusing more Call, but I also feel comfortable with micro so I'm pretty biased.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 18 2015 10:20 GMT
#3076
Crunched for time with this magazine, but I will look at the suggestions and make the changes. Cloud servers are back up.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-18 17:03:41
February 18 2015 15:43 GMT
#3077
ed
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 18 2015 17:03 GMT
#3078
On February 18 2015 07:31 TheYango wrote:
I mean it depends if you were mid or offlane.

If you're offlane, you can't catch up as easily with ancient stack clearing like you used to because your clearing efficiency is worse now with how much less damage Axes does to creeps (it used to be that you just wanted to hit 7 with max Axes, then clear your Ancient stack immediately for like 2 levels). So he's only really comfortable to play offlane if you can actually get farm on the lane, and rather than abusing Axes to farm, you use the Boar to dick over a laner who has a hard time dealing with the Boar slowing him all the time and giving you a lasthit advantage when you time it with your hero's lasthits.

If you're mid, his Bottle-crow farming is also shittier than it used to be--when before Axes high base damage + Aura natural auto-pushing meant you could get lane pressure against most other mids and just stalemate. You actually have a harder time stalemating that way now because of how much lower Axes damage is, so you only really want to play him mid against those kinds of heroes that just get pushed around by the Boar being on them all the time.

EDIT: Also, you probably did this at the same time you changed the skill order--but there's like zero point in going Arcanes if you're not going Meka. Pretty much all the benefits of Arcanes come through it being paired with Meka (Arcanes mana is needed to support Meka, but also Arcanes+Headdress+Bottle balancing out your HP+Mana recovery in normal farming patterns in jungle/ancients). If you're going Blink first item, you're either going to get Tranqs, Phase, or just stick on Brown Boots, because otherwise your mana/HP balance gets super weird with nothing to spend so much mana on (especially if you max Call). You also really don't want Agha 2nd item if you're getting Blink. They're kind of redundant--they both supplement your initiation range with Roar, but Agha supplements your combat stats a little better than Blink and is usually a smoother followup to Meka. With Blink first, you're more likely to get Force, Necro, or Vlad after (Necro's probably the cookie-cutter choice).

Arcanes Meka is probably still ok, but people don't pick him for that anymore because he doesn't farm them super fast like he used to when Axes did more damage. But your current items look like you just swapped Meka out for Blink without thinking about how that changes his overall progression.



1. I will remove Arcanes/Meka
2. Will remove Bottle/Soul Ring Ancient Farming
3. Switching Arcane to Tranquil's
4. Agh Extension, Blink Core with Necro

On February 18 2015 07:20 TheYango wrote:
Beastmaster skill order is super situational.

Double Boar isn't for kill attempts, it's for laning against certain lanes. The main difference is that the axes damage type change means he sucks ass in a lot of lanes he used to be able to stalemate with Axes+bottle-crow, and your farming efficiency with an Ancient stack is way poorer. So you don't want to pick him in those situations anymore, and he gets picked in situations where you can use double Boar to dick over a weak melee lane.

That said, I don't know when you decided to change BM mid to have no aura till 10. I'm pretty sure I explained why you take aura at 2 as mid BM (or 4 if you're maxing Call), and even if you're going max Call, you're most likely going to be 1-2-1 at 4, not 2-2-0. 2-2-0's more likely for offlane.


1. I will fix aura/level mid/lane
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 18 2015 17:07 GMT
#3079
Bottle and Soul Ring are still necessary for mid and offlane respectively for general laning purposes, you just don't really farm Ancients that effectively anymore.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-18 17:39:13
February 18 2015 17:08 GMT
#3080
ed
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