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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
I'm really not seeing 15-20% improvement single thread on legacy code. If it were that much of a leap, Steamroller would be viable enough that AMD would be bigger on this architecture, maybe pushing it for servers (though server launches are always behind) or FX-series desktop, etc. Instead, Kaveri is out first and they're really pushing for hUMA and APU considerations. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20325 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Anyway, it's all in the details, which we don't know about. And I could've missed things or just drawn the wrong conclusions anyhow. | ||
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mav451
United States1596 Posts
On November 13 2013 02:26 Cyro wrote: From all the circlejerking on other sites i think a lot lot of people would be very dissapointed with 10% gains in singlethreaded performance, even if multi is improved I'm kinda worried though still hearing nothing on >4 core steamroller.. Looks like they have nothing to compete with Haswell i5's AMD needs to push out 6-module SR's that bisect the i5/i7 SKUs. Oh, and less than $200 please hahah. (Oh and at least be Sandybridge or better single-thread IPC) Yeah, my Christmas list is quite ambitious, but hey, you never know. Yeah the dedicated INT decode and registers have to help, when combined with the reduced FP pipeline (from 4 to 3). That said, I'm not about to broadly suggest that a 25% reduction will have an equivalent increase in IPC. | ||
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Leeoku
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Madoga
Netherlands471 Posts
In reality you probably wont notice any of the differences. So just look at the price and get the cheapest one. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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DropTester
Australia608 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + What is your budget? $1100 What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920 x 1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Starcraft 2 ideally medium - high. I want to be around high on most games, not too fussed about the really graphics intense games. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Some light programming Do you intend to overclock? Yes Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? Maybe at some point in the future Do you need an operating system? No Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No What country will you be buying your parts in? Australia If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. PCCaseGear this website is generally similar to the prices of the stores in my area, it's just slightly higher in some areas. CPU: Intel i5 4670k - $270 Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87M-D3HP - $129 GPU: GTX 660 - $219 SSD: Samsung 840 120GB - $99 HDD: Barracuda Seagate 1TB - $65 RAM: Kingston 2x4GB - $88 Heatsink: CM Hyper 212X - $45 Case: $100-150, still deciding on one I was originally going to go with a higher graphics card, but I thought I would try my hand at overclocking, so I scaled back my SSD and GPU for it. I was thinking if I needed to upgrade my GPU in the future would dual gtx660 SLI work? Thanks in advance! | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
On November 14 2013 09:44 DropTester wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I'm planning on building my first computer in about a week or so and I've been researching on a build for a while. I was hoping to get some thoughts on this build? + Show Spoiler + What is your budget? $1100 What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920 x 1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Starcraft 2 ideally medium - high. I want to be around high on most games, not too fussed about the really graphics intense games. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Some light programming Do you intend to overclock? Yes Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? Maybe at some point in the future Do you need an operating system? No Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No What country will you be buying your parts in? Australia If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. PCCaseGear this website is generally similar to the prices of the stores in my area, it's just slightly higher in some areas. CPU: Intel i5 4670k - $270 Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87M-D3HP - $129 GPU: GTX 660 - $219 SSD: Samsung 840 120GB - $99 HDD: Barracuda Seagate 1TB - $65 RAM: Kingston 2x4GB - $88 Heatsink: CM Hyper 212X - $45 Case: $100-150, still deciding on one I was originally going to go with a higher graphics card, but I thought I would try my hand at overclocking, so I scaled back my SSD and GPU for it. I was thinking if I needed to upgrade my GPU in the future would dual gtx660 SLI work? Thanks in advance! If you are overclocking then get the cheaper GTX 650 Ti Boost 2GB. The 660 and 650 Ti Boost share the same power limit so via overclocking you can get ~95% of the performance of an overclocked 660 (660's OC potential is limited by power limit) for less money. If you need to upgrade your GPU in the future the smart bet is to wait until 20nm cards (late 2014/early 2015). Similarly if you are serious (aka getting every last drop of performance) about OCing your CPU, the get an ATX board such as the Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H. Don't get Kingston RAM. 99% of it is 1.65v which is terrible for any RAM rated under 2133Mhz. | ||
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IdiotSavant
United States88 Posts
On November 14 2013 09:44 DropTester wrote: I'm planning on building my first computer in about a week or so and I've been researching on a build for a while. I was hoping to get some thoughts on this build? + Show Spoiler + What is your budget? $1100 What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920 x 1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Starcraft 2 ideally medium - high. I want to be around high on most games, not too fussed about the really graphics intense games. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Some light programming Do you intend to overclock? Yes Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? Maybe at some point in the future Do you need an operating system? No Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No What country will you be buying your parts in? Australia If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. PCCaseGear this website is generally similar to the prices of the stores in my area, it's just slightly higher in some areas. CPU: Intel i5 4670k - $270 Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87M-D3HP - $129 GPU: GTX 660 - $219 SSD: Samsung 840 120GB - $99 HDD: Barracuda Seagate 1TB - $65 RAM: Kingston 2x4GB - $88 Heatsink: CM Hyper 212X - $45 Case: $100-150, still deciding on one I was originally going to go with a higher graphics card, but I thought I would try my hand at overclocking, so I scaled back my SSD and GPU for it. I was thinking if I needed to upgrade my GPU in the future would dual gtx660 SLI work? Thanks in advance! just adding my 2cents. recently bought the Fractal Design Arc Midi R2 computer case newegg. dunno if the promo code still works but FRACTAL25 should make it $82. its a huge case btw. def bigger than im used to but i guess its good for if i wanna add some extra stuff later. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 14 2013 09:44 DropTester wrote: I'm planning on building my first computer in about a week or so and I've been researching on a build for a while. I was hoping to get some thoughts on this build? + Show Spoiler + What is your budget? $1100 What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920 x 1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Starcraft 2 ideally medium - high. I want to be around high on most games, not too fussed about the really graphics intense games. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Some light programming Do you intend to overclock? Yes Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? Maybe at some point in the future Do you need an operating system? No Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No What country will you be buying your parts in? Australia If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. PCCaseGear this website is generally similar to the prices of the stores in my area, it's just slightly higher in some areas. CPU: Intel i5 4670k - $270 Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87M-D3HP - $129 GPU: GTX 660 - $219 SSD: Samsung 840 120GB - $99 HDD: Barracuda Seagate 1TB - $65 RAM: Kingston 2x4GB - $88 Heatsink: CM Hyper 212X - $45 Case: $100-150, still deciding on one I was originally going to go with a higher graphics card, but I thought I would try my hand at overclocking, so I scaled back my SSD and GPU for it. I was thinking if I needed to upgrade my GPU in the future would dual gtx660 SLI work? Thanks in advance! Such nice cpu but only gtx 660 to go with it... | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
On November 14 2013 11:49 IdiotSavant wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On November 14 2013 09:44 DropTester wrote: I'm planning on building my first computer in about a week or so and I've been researching on a build for a while. I was hoping to get some thoughts on this build? + Show Spoiler + What is your budget? $1100 What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920 x 1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Starcraft 2 ideally medium - high. I want to be around high on most games, not too fussed about the really graphics intense games. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Some light programming Do you intend to overclock? Yes Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? Maybe at some point in the future Do you need an operating system? No Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No What country will you be buying your parts in? Australia If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. PCCaseGear this website is generally similar to the prices of the stores in my area, it's just slightly higher in some areas. CPU: Intel i5 4670k - $270 Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87M-D3HP - $129 GPU: GTX 660 - $219 SSD: Samsung 840 120GB - $99 HDD: Barracuda Seagate 1TB - $65 RAM: Kingston 2x4GB - $88 Heatsink: CM Hyper 212X - $45 Case: $100-150, still deciding on one I was originally going to go with a higher graphics card, but I thought I would try my hand at overclocking, so I scaled back my SSD and GPU for it. I was thinking if I needed to upgrade my GPU in the future would dual gtx660 SLI work? Thanks in advance! just adding my 2cents. recently bought the Fractal Design Arc Midi R2 computer case newegg. dunno if the promo code still works but FRACTAL25 should make it $82. its a huge case btw. def bigger than im used to but i guess its good for if i wanna add some extra stuff later. No newegg in Australia. Something easily seen if you had read his answers to the questionnaire. On November 14 2013 12:05 wei2coolman wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On November 14 2013 09:44 DropTester wrote: I'm planning on building my first computer in about a week or so and I've been researching on a build for a while. I was hoping to get some thoughts on this build? + Show Spoiler + What is your budget? $1100 What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920 x 1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Starcraft 2 ideally medium - high. I want to be around high on most games, not too fussed about the really graphics intense games. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Some light programming Do you intend to overclock? Yes Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? Maybe at some point in the future Do you need an operating system? No Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No What country will you be buying your parts in? Australia If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. PCCaseGear this website is generally similar to the prices of the stores in my area, it's just slightly higher in some areas. CPU: Intel i5 4670k - $270 Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87M-D3HP - $129 GPU: GTX 660 - $219 SSD: Samsung 840 120GB - $99 HDD: Barracuda Seagate 1TB - $65 RAM: Kingston 2x4GB - $88 Heatsink: CM Hyper 212X - $45 Case: $100-150, still deciding on one I was originally going to go with a higher graphics card, but I thought I would try my hand at overclocking, so I scaled back my SSD and GPU for it. I was thinking if I needed to upgrade my GPU in the future would dual gtx660 SLI work? Thanks in advance! Such nice cpu but only gtx 660 to go with it... ONLY?!?!? You can max out SC2 on a paper napkin... Furthermore 660 is a 1080p card and it can run most games at maximum/near max graphics settings. Furthermore he's going to OC, so the situations that he can't are going to be even smaller. GAH if you people would actually read his wants you wouldn't give such dumb responses. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Craton
United States17277 Posts
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DropTester
Australia608 Posts
On November 14 2013 11:38 iTzSnypah wrote: If you are overclocking then get the cheaper GTX 650 Ti Boost 2GB. The 660 and 650 Ti Boost share the same power limit so via overclocking you can get ~95% of the performance of an overclocked 660 (660's OC potential is limited by power limit) for less money. If you need to upgrade your GPU in the future the smart bet is to wait until 20nm cards (late 2014/early 2015). Similarly if you are serious (aka getting every last drop of performance) about OCing your CPU, the get an ATX board such as the Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H. Don't get Kingston RAM. 99% of it is 1.65v which is terrible for any RAM rated under 2133Mhz. Ah thanks for the help!  . I'll probably go for the gtx 650 ti boost then.For RAM would Patriot-S or G.Skill be fine? I think for OCing CPU, I'll try for around 4.4GHz, would that be fine on a micro-atx board? | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
On November 14 2013 14:36 DropTester wrote: Ah thanks for the help! . I'll probably go for the gtx 650 ti boost then.For RAM would Patriot-S or G.Skill be fine? I think for OCing CPU, I'll try for around 4.4GHz, would that be fine on a micro-atx board? Yeah and yeah. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
If you're going to edge out every last drop of performance out of your CPU, then getting the GA-Z87X-D3H is a good idea. However if you're really going to go for performance, you would also need a better cooler. The CM 212 is a good cooler for its price, but it's insufficient for high overclocks where you would be better off with a Noctua or something like that. The motherboard and cooler you're getting now support overclocking well enough if you're looking to try it out. From my personal experience, I have a 4670, which can't be overclocked, yet it still does everythin I want it to, including 1080p video recording at 5k kbps bitrate (using OBS)*. So if you're overclocking for the first time, well, maybe you don't necessarily need the the last .3 - .2 GHz. It's your call. If you stick to that motherboard, though, you can also get this case: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=18919&cPath=547 ^What's good about this case: 1. It's Fractal Design, they make excellent cases, particularly at the low-end. 2. It's designed with airflow in mind which is good support for overclocking. 3. It's got its own case fans to come with it. 4. Fits your budget. It's designed for microATX motherboards, for ATX motherboards you'd need to dish out some extra cash for the Arc Midi R2, which is also a great case. I'm also concerned about no mention of your PSU. I browsed PC Case Gear a bit and found the selection was kind of shitty. There's the CX430 there but if you're going to overclock you're better off dishing out some more cash for a better PSU. You're better off looking yourself and then asking here what people think of your PSU. ^^ *5k quality bitrate is close to the highest possible quality you can get watching a youtube video by the way, just to give a sort of indicator. OBS is actually amazing considering how little resources it uses compared to FRAPS or something. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 14 2013 14:05 Craton wrote: Given that SC2 is CPU bound, I don't see how you get a cheaper one and do "just as good." Because that CPU is over kill. My old i7 920 plays it on ultra, just fine. It's a matter of min-maxing with budget to get core desired traits. Cheaper CPU can still play SC2 on ultra. Leaving room for more budget on GPU, which allows for more gaming options. Still going to play SC2 on ultra, but now with extra money in GPU, you can start playing stuff like BF4 on really high settings. | ||
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