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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-11 13:58:45
November 11 2013 13:57 GMT
#1941
EVGA OC Scanner X is something very simple like Furmark, but it can look for artifacts by itself instead of you having to stare at the screen, so that might be neat. I don't know if it runs on AMD cards, but I don't see why it wouldn't.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
November 11 2013 14:21 GMT
#1942
I used OCCT gpu test with error checking for such function. My card seemed to be benching higher and higher with faster VRAM all the way up to like 8100, but of course started artifacting somewhere there, occt w/ error check picked them up reasonably quickly, could run for minutes without errors @7700 and like half an hour with none (i didn't try longer) @7500 so seeing as my performance kept scaling in unigine i just threw it at 7600 (3800, 1900 depending on how it's written) because an artifact every hour won't kill me if i even notice it and i didn't seem to be running into regressing performance due to memory and error checking whatever people were talking about
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-11 15:27:05
November 11 2013 15:26 GMT
#1943
Quick question that may or may not have anything to do with artifacts.

My siblings play skyrim on my computer (max settings 1080p) when I'm not here and they tell me that a couple times, all the clothes/armor in the game become white and if they keep playing, the game crashes (can't remember if just game or all computer). Would that count as an artifact? this was at stock clocks, no OC, though. i've never seen it myself and after playing skyrim for 40 minutes, nothing happened, the game ran normally.

thoughts? i don't think much of it as every other game i've played (far cry 3 and il-2 clod more than the others) haven't encountered a single problem.
maru lover forever
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
November 11 2013 16:03 GMT
#1944
So reviving my build after a month of not looking at it and preparing for black friday/christmas sales, These were the final decisions I made with some changes I made myself. My current demand is to have dual monitors and i guess medium tier games like DOTA . I would like to also have an option open for casual streaming

i5-4570 ($208)
Gigabyte H87 mobo ($70)
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=89799&vpn=GA-H81M-S2PV&manufacture=Gigabyte

2x4gb Corsair RAM, 1600mhz ($72)
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=55445&vpn=CMX8GX3M2A1600C9&manufacture=Corsair&promoid=1307

Fractal Design Midi ~100

WD Blue (1TB*2) ~140

Samsung 840 SSD 128 or 256 GB $150/200

DVD-burner ($18)
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=76258&vpn=SH-224DB/BEBE&manufacture=Others&promoid=1307

USB Wireless Dongle ($22)
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=46387&vpn=USB-N13&manufacture=ASUS&promoid=1307


Now the problem I have is narrowing down the GPU and the PSU. I guess the GPU is heavily narrowed down by budget so lets set 150-200 as the budget for GPU. I'll prob buy a new gpu during the sale days so the specifcs are unknown. Let's limit it to a 680 nvidia as highest and 460 lowest (from friend). (No clue what the amd equivalent is). At this range would Nvidia or AMD perform better for these range of cards?

Now I tried reading more on PSU and still unsure how to judge what I need. What PSU is required for this setup assuming the 680 (highest gpu) is used? Can you please provide like 3 options of PSU I guess $100 or less (abit more is ok)
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-11 17:47:43
November 11 2013 17:39 GMT
#1945
Rosewill Capstone 450 for $60: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066 , semi-modular version was on sale for $50 but is sold out: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182261 ooo Canada. In that case, you have a few options since Canada has shitty availability. Rosewill Capstone: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182261 is still one of them. If you don't want to buy from Newegg than there's the Seasonic G 450 for $85: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=76941 Something worse and less expensive after rebate would be the XFX Core Edition 550 which comes in at ~$50 after mail in rebate: http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=15180AC2961

Hmm ya nothing beats the Capstone in value.

Hmm why buy two 1TB drives? Why not just buy one 2TB drive for like $50 less?

Why buy a Samsung 840 Pro?
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
November 11 2013 18:34 GMT
#1946
On November 12 2013 00:26 Incognoto wrote:
Quick question that may or may not have anything to do with artifacts.

My siblings play skyrim on my computer (max settings 1080p) when I'm not here and they tell me that a couple times, all the clothes/armor in the game become white and if they keep playing, the game crashes (can't remember if just game or all computer). Would that count as an artifact? this was at stock clocks, no OC, though. i've never seen it myself and after playing skyrim for 40 minutes, nothing happened, the game ran normally.

thoughts? i don't think much of it as every other game i've played (far cry 3 and il-2 clod more than the others) haven't encountered a single problem.

No idea.

It really sounds like artifacts, but it just might be a bug in the game.

On that note, I remembered something someone said about how to overclock on an AMD card. According to that, there's a good chance to not have artifacts while still going too high with the settings. There is some sort of error checking going on. You should always check with some sort of benchmark after increasing clocks. If the benchmark results start to decrease, it's already too much and the error checking has started to fix something by repeating calculations.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-11 18:51:31
November 11 2013 18:50 GMT
#1947
On November 12 2013 02:39 skyR wrote:
Rosewill Capstone 450 for $60: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066 , semi-modular version was on sale for $50 but is sold out: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182261 ooo Canada. In that case, you have a few options since Canada has shitty availability. Rosewill Capstone: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182261 is still one of them. If you don't want to buy from Newegg than there's the Seasonic G 450 for $85: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=76941 Something worse and less expensive after rebate would be the XFX Core Edition 550 which comes in at ~$50 after mail in rebate: http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=15180AC2961

Hmm ya nothing beats the Capstone in value.
TY
Hmm why buy two 1TB drives? Why not just buy one 2TB drive for like $50 less?
I Just threw that in there for a 2TB capacity. Honestly it will be whatever I find on sale
Why buy a Samsung 840 Pro?
Last time I asked i think that was the answer cant find the post way far back. I'm probably wrong so what SSD would you recommend (not sure if i want 128 or 256 gb range)
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
November 11 2013 19:04 GMT
#1948
There's a Samsung 840 and a newer version called 840 EVO. They are cheaper than the 840 Pro.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Madoga
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands471 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-11 20:45:09
November 11 2013 20:37 GMT
#1949
The crucial m500 is slightly slower(especially the 120gb version) but has an aray of failsafe capacitors and uses MLC nand.
For ~250gb and up I'd get the M500 - more reliable, the speed difference isn't that big and its cheap(atleast it is over here ).
For ~120gb I'd get the samsung - Awesome performance.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 11 2013 21:25 GMT
#1950
840 EVO is good choice at 120gb, you can get it for ~$95 right now. For ~250gb, Crucial M500 has been on sale for ~$160 a lot for the past weeks but Samsung 840 EVO hasn't seen any movement in pricing lately.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
November 11 2013 22:40 GMT
#1951
@Ropid: thanks bro. i'll keep that in mind.

madoga, what's so great about MLC nand?
maru lover forever
Madoga
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands471 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-11 22:56:02
November 11 2013 22:55 GMT
#1952
MLC nand has more write cycles then the TLC nand(which is used in the samsung 840 evo). In theory this means the crucial ssd has a longer lifespan. In practice you probably wont notice any difference.

If you want to know the details you could read some articles, for example this one on anandtech.
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
November 12 2013 00:19 GMT
#1953
Are there any preferences for SSD or they're all same just depending on pricing
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 12 2013 00:31 GMT
#1954
Any Samsung or Crucial.
Mavvie
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Canada923 Posts
November 12 2013 04:35 GMT
#1955
Damn I should've posted here before buying my SSD

Would've grabbed that M500 in a heartbeat. Oh well, I get to reap the benefits of faster random read with my Samsung Evo 250GB! :D
Getting back into sc2 O_o
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
November 12 2013 06:36 GMT
#1956
You can't go wrong with Samsung EVO. ^^ Only the price should have made a difference.
maru lover forever
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
November 12 2013 15:00 GMT
#1957
On November 12 2013 09:31 skyR wrote:
Any Samsung or Crucial.

To expand on this... from this generation or last. Except probably not the Crucial V4. Intel too, and maybe some others, but it gets more complicated.

The performance and endurance differences are largely inconsequential to the desktop user.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 16:20:09
November 12 2013 15:46 GMT
#1958
Yea, Crucial v4 is surprisingly terrible, i had to stop a few people from getting it mixed up with the m4

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6325/crucial-v4-256gb-review

^grabbed quick from google


Btw, i think this is looking pretty good



Stock Kaveri A10 vs gt630

More interested in the steamroller cores. With Kaveri launch two months out, we should have info soon.

Seems pretty hard to know what to expect i think, but ~15-20% faster singlethreaded performance would be sweet

There's also the performance penalty from running both cores in the same module in a typical task - for Piledriver right now, if you run one thread in a module and score ~100 on a benchmark, you'll often score only ~170 by running both. Result of this is that on an Intel core for example, if you score ~150 on a single core benchmark, you can multiply that by the number of cores (say 600 for a quad core) and you're right about where performance will be. On an AMD 8 core though, you don't get 8x performance from 4 module 8 thread - it's only about ~6.7 - 6.8x or so in many actual tasks.

If we get a boost to singlethreaded performance and less penalty from running both "cores" in a module simultaneously for a normal task (through the added decoders or whateverthehell honestly i can't even remember most of the steamroller stuff) then they would be added multiplicatively and could look great. 120*3.6 is way faster than 100*3.4 (432 vs 340)

Also, that dude calls it Kav-aahri. Am i saying it wrong? That way sounds so uncool
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
November 12 2013 16:32 GMT
#1959
There don't look like nearly enough changes architecturally to get 15-20% better single-core performance on Steamroller on typical workloads. Some instruction cache, other cache improvements, scheduling / branch prediction improvements... these aren't enough. A lot of the improvements are in power efficiency, not performance. From a performance standpoint and all the high-level overviews which of course don't tell us too much of anything, it seemed Ivy Bridge -> Haswell had more going on to improve performance (AVX2, TSX aside).

The performance improvements are largely coming from each integer core getting its own decoder so performance isn't so much significantly worse when you're using both simultaneously.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 17:27:29
November 12 2013 17:26 GMT
#1960
From all the circlejerking on other sites i think a lot lot of people would be very dissapointed with 10% gains in singlethreaded performance, even if multi is improved

I'm kinda worried though still hearing nothing on >4 core steamroller.. Looks like they have nothing to compete with Haswell i5's
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
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