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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
October 29 2013 11:57 GMT
#1601
I'm using windows 7

when i look at the device manager it is listed

properties tell me that it is working perfectly

i can't ping my router

i haven't given my htpc an ip address so i am indeeding using dhcp (my desktop uses dhcp no problem)


i answered all those questions in 30 seconds because i already checked all that ^^"""



i think it's a driver problem, just idk how to fix

ty for answering
maru lover forever
Eisregen
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany967 Posts
October 29 2013 12:14 GMT
#1602
Tried the newest drivers from Realtek's homepage?
http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=13&PFid=5&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false

The RTL8111E should be yours in your HTCP.
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 12:24:42
October 29 2013 12:21 GMT
#1603
yah multiple times

install reinstall uninstall, from different sites including msi's site and realtek's site

just don't work

i'm starting to think it' snot a driver problem, rather it's a dhcp or ppopoe (however the fuck it's spelled) problem. any thoughts on what to start checking?

it's important to note that my desktop has no problems connecting with dhcp. the htpc does. my old desktop has no problems either.


edit: i want to update my bios, how does that work. there's a file to download, is it an .Exe or something?
maru lover forever
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 12:29:33
October 29 2013 12:26 GMT
#1604
Go to the screen where you can see the actual network connections that are configured listed. Does the network connection see the cable being plugged in and start up a 100mbit or 1gbit connection to the router you have? There's some sort of status window you can open for each connection.

If that part works correctly, then on the command line, "ipconfig" and "ipconfig /all", how does the output look? Does it get an IP address that looks correct, etc?

EDIT:

For a BIOS update, you get an archive. It might be a self-extracting .exe archive. One of the files in that archive is the BIOS. Best is, you ignore the other files and just put the BIOS file on a USB stick. Restart and go into the BIOS and look around what key to press to flash a new BIOS. You'll get some sort of file browser to look around on the USB stick for the file.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
October 29 2013 12:39 GMT
#1605
The BIOS is updating atm, so we'll see if that changes anything, thanks.


In the screen where we find the actual network connections, we find that the network connection doesn't see the cable being plugged in (in fact when doing auto-diagonistic for the fuck of it, windows thought there was no cable plugged in at all). However, at least some information passes through because the light in the router will blink when the htpc is plugged (vs nothing when there's no computer). The computer itself, when it boots, will have that little load circle in the network icon before going to the red X.

ipconfig, when I tried it, just told me ethernet was disconnected.
maru lover forever
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
October 29 2013 12:54 GMT
#1606
You can go to the network device (not the connection) and you will have a bunch of options for the device on the "advanced" tab. You can do things like override speed auto-detect and force it to something like 100mbit full-duplex or 1000mbit. There are options like "flow control" that can help against weird disconnects while transferring large files.

Each network controller chip has different options there, so you have to search for information specifically about your RTL8111E controller chip used on your board.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
October 29 2013 13:08 GMT
#1607
Yeah I've been fiddling around those settings quite a lot. I'll try to change the settings you mentioned, the ones I did had to do with Green Ethernet and some energy saving settings, stuff like that. If anyone else has suggestions on what settings to change I'm all ears.
maru lover forever
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 13:16:51
October 29 2013 13:16 GMT
#1608
Perhaps try the LAN drivers for Windows 7 from MSI's website instead those from the Realtek website. It looks like it might be a different version. MSI's choice what version to provide as download might be important for their board.

MSI website: http://www.msi.com/product/mb/FM2-A75MA-P33.html#/?div=Driver&os=Win7 64
Realtek: http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=13&PFid=5&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Banaora
Profile Joined May 2013
Germany234 Posts
October 29 2013 13:29 GMT
#1609
Some more questions for you ^^ Did you test your desktop with the same cable you use for your htpc? How long is your network cable? Do you use the cable that was delivered with your htpc or do you use a cable of your own? Have you tried a different cable? In the settings for the network card try to enforce the lowest speed possible and see if it helps.

Personally I would be surprised if it were a driver issue.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 13:36:14
October 29 2013 13:34 GMT
#1610
@Ropid: both of those drivers are the same, I already tried both. ^^


@Banaora: I tested the desktop with the same cable. the cable is about 1m long, though the distance between the router and the computer, through cables in the wall, should probably be closer to 20m or 30m. The cable I used is one we bought on our own, and yes, i've tried 2 different cables.

In the settings for the network card, i tried every speed and both half and full duplex.

I would also be surprised, at this stage, if it were a driver issue, as in theory the driver and the chip itself both work perfectly fine. They merely act as if nothing was plugged in. However, a cable is plugged in and the corresponding port on the router has 2 lights (green and orange) which blink very slowly. My desktop, which is working fine, has only a flickering green light as I'm downloading.

oh and i've decided to stop trying for today, i spent all morning. any suggestion will probably be tested tmrw (htpc has no monitor and i cba to bring my own monitor to a different room again, i'm on my desktop atm^^)

ty very much for the help
maru lover forever
Banaora
Profile Joined May 2013
Germany234 Posts
October 29 2013 14:53 GMT
#1611
Hmm, one last thing that comes to my mind is bring the htpc to the router and test it there with a short cable (1m is fine) and see if it works.

If it doesn't work possibly the mainboard is defective. If it's easy for you to do you could test the htpc at a friend's place with a different router but actually I don't think this will change anything.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 15:06:23
October 29 2013 15:00 GMT
#1612
I'm almost positive that it would work if plugged directly to the router. I'll try tomorrow, the problem is it doesn't serve a purpose if it's plugged in the kitchen. ^^

But yeah, i'll try that tomorrow and update.
maru lover forever
Adrian_mx
Profile Joined April 2010
Mexico1880 Posts
October 29 2013 16:46 GMT
#1613
What is your budget?
1000$

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1020?

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Bf4 high, dota 2 high,

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
streaming

Do you intend to overclock?
yes

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
yes

Do you need an operating system?
yes

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
yes

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.


What country will you be buying your parts in?
usa

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
我是冠军
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
October 29 2013 17:16 GMT
#1614
Might be hard to meet the 1000$ budget if you intended to SLI/Crossfire right away. but if it's something you plan to do in the future, then it's probably possible to buy a board with this capability

Here's a build I was working on for someone

i5 4670 = 239$
XFX 550W = 59.99$
Samsung 840 series 120gb = 104$
Gigabyte GA-H81-D3 ATX LGA1150 H81 Express DDR3 PCI-E16 2XVGA GBLAN SATA3 USB3 Mother 65$
Gigabyte Radeon HD R9 280X OC 1100MHZ 3GB 6.0GHZ GDDR5 DVI HDMI 2XMINIDP PCI-E Video Card 320$
Patriot Viper 3 8GB 2X4GB PC3-12800 DDR3-1600 10-10-10-27 1.5V Dual Channel Memory Kit - Black Mamba 79$
Zalman Z9 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case Black 3X5.25 1X3.5 5X3.5INT No PS w/ Fan Controller & Temp Display 65$

The prices are in Canadian $, but you should probably be able to find similar, if not cheaper, on NCIX.us. I was at like 939$ before taxes. It might be cheaper in the US.

However...
You will need to add :
Monitor : Looking around 150$
Mouse, Keyboard : Assuming cheap stuff, probably 20-30$
Headphones or speakers? : Something cheap at like 20$ might do the work.
Windows : Around 90-100$
DVD player : around 20$
A regular HDD : ARound 50$

Assuming US and CAN prices are similar, you will be over the 1000$ mark. So I believe we will have to go for cheaper GPU or maybe cheaper CPU
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 19:05:25
October 29 2013 17:24 GMT
#1615
Wow for $1000? That's a tight budget, especially with monitor and OS, lol.

+ Show Spoiler +
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87M-D3H 1.0 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($114.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($274.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Microcenter)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($97.27 @ TigerDirect)
Monitor: Asus VS229H-P 21.5" Monitor ($143.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1045.17
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-29 13:09 EDT-0400)


Some notes:
>No SSD because those are expenisve. I skipped it entirely to fit into the budget, if you want one you'll have to make concessions somewhere, or raise your budget
>mATX Z87 so that it fits in the Design Core 1000 (great value case). If you're ever on a budget it's hard not to get this case, as it does everything a case needs to, it just lacks in size and things such as cable management.
>You can download Windows 8 from Microsoft and if you're a student, I believe you can it cheaper with Dreamspark. I put it in pcpartpicker to keep an eye on budget.
>That monitor is $143, I won't lie, I was lazy, I went to the monitor thread and saw that this one was good and not too expensive. It's only 1080p though, not 1200p. So maybe you can find a cheaper monitor or one more suited to your needs.
>CX430 is dirt cheap and it's still good. However, if you're going to overclock, I would recommend looking into a better PSU. If I were you (keep in mind that I'm not so I'm less aware of your specific needs), I would get a cheaper monitor than that one and get a better PSU, something like an XFX Pro 550W.
>You can probably stream in reasonable quality with a 4670k and OBS.
>Check with others


Edit:
>mfw my desktop and the HTPC both have the same ethernet chip. seriously, just seriously
maru lover forever
da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
October 29 2013 19:55 GMT
#1616
On October 28 2013 11:45 iTzSnypah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 11:12 da_head wrote:
On October 28 2013 10:16 iTzSnypah wrote:
On October 28 2013 09:19 skyR wrote:
Constant 60 FPS on high settings in BF4 is really unrealistic, you're basically never going to achieve this unless you play at 800x600 or avoid multiplayer altogether. Something in the $200-$250 range is not that big of an improvement over a GTX 660. Going up to a $300 7970 would be much better.

Considering the GTX 760 is ~$250 and in anand's review it more than doubled (~136% more) the average frame rates of the GTX 460 (which we know that the 560 is just a higher clocked 460)...I don't see how it's not that big of an improvement.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7103/nvidia-geforce-gtx-760-review/9
[image loading]

E: he said he has a 560 not a 660.

how old is this chart? no way 660ti/670 out performing 7970. Must be when the drivers were shit.

Hey bro, 7970 isn't 7970 GE.

You dont say..

Here, educate yourself: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-7.html

Notice how the 7970 (regular) is onpar with the 770 and 680 and ABOVE the 670 and 760?
When they see MC Probe, all the ladies disrobe.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20323 Posts
October 29 2013 20:38 GMT
#1617
Another "educate yourself" link to tomshardware

7970 with an easily achievable air clock (factory oc or a few manual clicks) rivals 680/770 with the same done, not much more so say or argue about
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
October 29 2013 20:57 GMT
#1618
On October 30 2013 05:38 Cyro wrote:
Another "educate yourself" link to tomshardware

7970 with an easily achievable air clock (factory oc or a few manual clicks) rivals 680/770 with the same done, not much more so say or argue about

Is it not a good source?
When they see MC Probe, all the ladies disrobe.
Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 22:10:42
October 29 2013 22:10 GMT
#1619
On October 30 2013 05:57 da_head wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 05:38 Cyro wrote:
Another "educate yourself" link to tomshardware

7970 with an easily achievable air clock (factory oc or a few manual clicks) rivals 680/770 with the same done, not much more so say or argue about

Is it not a good source?

Their reviews aren't great, and the forums are a complete joke, the only reason I'd go there is to amuse myself with all the terrible advice.
Throw off those chains of reason, and your prison disappears. | Check your posting frequency timeline: http://www.teamliquid.net/mytlnet/post_activity_img.php
IMKR
Profile Joined August 2012
United States378 Posts
October 29 2013 22:25 GMT
#1620
On October 30 2013 07:10 Rollin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 05:57 da_head wrote:
On October 30 2013 05:38 Cyro wrote:
Another "educate yourself" link to tomshardware

7970 with an easily achievable air clock (factory oc or a few manual clicks) rivals 680/770 with the same done, not much more so say or argue about

Is it not a good source?

Their reviews aren't great, and the forums are a complete joke, the only reason I'd go there is to amuse myself with all the terrible advice.



i agree with this. even me being a complete noob at this PC hardware things, when i went to tomshardware for the first time, in less than 5 visits i realized how bad the site is.
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