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indubitably
Netherlands3 Posts
I recently sent my videocard rma, because it was giving me black screens. Now the store doesn't have the same card in stock so they offered me a newer version. The old card was: R9 280 3GB The new one: R9 380 4GB Should i agree with this? or am i getting tricked Thanks in advance. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
On September 30 2015 00:22 indubitably wrote: Hello, I recently sent my videocard rma, because it was giving me black screens. Now the store doesn't have the same card in stock so they offered me a newer version. The old card was: R9 280 3GB The new one: R9 380 4GB Should i agree with this? or am i getting tricked Thanks in advance. It's probably better to have the 380 if the card itself and cooler is of comparable/better quality. | ||
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xeo1
United States429 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
You can get an fx-63xx or fx-83xx if it saves a lot of money beyond that even on CPU and you're tight for budget, but they're a lot worse for some games (bad singlethreaded performance so very bad for many mmo, rts games and some others). They were very bad at those things 3 years ago when they got released but prices keep dropping so it's still worth a mention For GPU on nvidia side, 950 and 960 are very close (like 15% performance gain). After that there's a huge (~65%) performance gap to 970. A 4GB r9 380 is a pretty good choice if affordable (between 960 and 970, probably closer to 970). do not buy a samsung 840 or 840 evo SSD can't think of much more stuff at the moment and can't really price things in my head accurately (especially with microcenter prices) | ||
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B.I.G.
3251 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Go with Crucial MX200 (I think it's that?), which is equivalent but without any issues. | ||
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
On September 30 2015 04:00 B.I.G. wrote: whats wrong with samsung ssd? Those specific models had an issue where performance would degrade over time. People eventually found that defragging would actually effectively restore the drive back to it's original performance, though ofc that adds a number of writes to the SSD which has a relatively limited number of them (though still a very large number). I'm not sure if they still do or if it was fixed. Other Samsung SSDs are generally in the top tier of quality. | ||
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Perseverance
Japan2800 Posts
$1,600 What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080..Not sure if last number it entirely correct. What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? New games (Some not out yet, max setting everything, while streaming What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Some statistical analysis programs like MatLab etc. Do you intend to overclock? I will likely OC my CPU at some point since I am familiar with how to do it. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No Do you need an operating system? No Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. None What country will you be buying your parts in? USA--Online If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Whatever is cheapest. I was looking at these components (sorry for awful links) but I don't know if I screwed anything up. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125806 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817152058 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233536 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117402 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820721108 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157505 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4UF1H68919&ignorebbr=1 I already have a pretty large case so that won't be needed. Is there anything I should swap out in favor of something better? Honestly I am just looking for the best performance/price ratio (But obviously on the high end of the spectrum). | ||
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xeo1
United States429 Posts
nzxt phantom 410 mid-tower $80 i5-6600k $230 asrock z170 pro-4 $98 crucial ballistic 8gb DDR4 4x2 $55 MSI GTX 960 $200 corsair 600w $70 wd blue 1TB $50 acer K242HL 24" LED $102 coolermaster hyper T4 $30 crucial mx200 250GB SSD $100 with windows 10 and peripherals came out to around $1300. edit: ram price | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
On September 30 2015 04:00 B.I.G. wrote: whats wrong with samsung ssd? Performance degrades over a relatively short period of time due to a hardware defect, samsung's idea of a fix is telling users to re-write all of the data on their SSD's every month or so with increasing frequency. Their warranties are also based around the amount of data that you have written to your SSD  build looks good though it would have been nice to get better graphics card (but that's the easiest thing to replace and get a 2-4x upgrade in like a year if wanted) | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On September 30 2015 12:00 xeo1 wrote: Ok so we finished at microcenter, thanks for the input Cyro and Incognoto. Here are the parts, if anything's out of place let me know so we can still return this week. nzxt phantom 410 mid-tower $80 i5-6600k $230 asrock z170 pro-4 $98 crucial ballistic 8gb DDR4 4x2 $55 MSI GTX 960 $200 corsair 600w $70 wd blue 1TB $50 acer K242HL 24" LED $102 coolermaster hyper T4 $30 crucial mx200 250GB SSD $100 with windows 10 and peripherals came out to around $1300. edit: ram price Looks pretty solid overall! I'm probably not a fan of the choice of your PSU but it should still be more than fine. On September 30 2015 11:57 Perseverance wrote: + Show Spoiler + What is your budget? $1,600 What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080..Not sure if last number it entirely correct. What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? New games (Some not out yet, max setting everything, while streaming What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Some statistical analysis programs like MatLab etc. Do you intend to overclock? I will likely OC my CPU at some point since I am familiar with how to do it. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No Do you need an operating system? No Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. None What country will you be buying your parts in? USA--Online If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Whatever is cheapest. I was looking at these components (sorry for awful links) but I don't know if I screwed anything up. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125806 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817152058 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233536 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117402 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820721108 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157505 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4UF1H68919&ignorebbr=1 I already have a pretty large case so that won't be needed. Is there anything I should swap out in favor of something better? Honestly I am just looking for the best performance/price ratio (But obviously on the high end of the spectrum). Yeah actually your CPU and motherboard aren't compatible. I don't have a lot experience with LGA 2011 builds so I can't really recommend a good motherboard. I think going for a 6 core Haswell processor probably isn't a bad idea, considering your needs and budget. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=lga 2011-v3&N=-1&isNodeId=1 As for your power supply, get something like this instead. Again I'm not 100% familiar with 2011 power usage but this should be more than sufficient (high quality 650W psu): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438054&cm_re=evga_supernova_g2_650-_-17-438-054-_-Product Your SSD pick and graphics card pick could probably be better. I'd get a Crucial MX200 and also a graphics card from MSI or Gigabyte, with a real cooler on it (rather than a not-so great blower style cooler). | ||
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xeo1
United States429 Posts
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SnowFantasy
4173 Posts
What is your current build? Intel Core i5 2400 (LGA 1155) Sapphire Radeon HD6870 Patroit 2x4GB 1600MHz (ram) Asrock H61M-VS (motherboard) Rosewill Capstone 450W (Power Supply) What is your monitor's native resolution? 2x 1920x1080 Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade? I'd mainly like to upgrade my CPU and graphics card so I can stream in better quality and record gaming videos. My parts are starting to get outdated anyway I guess. What is your budget? I don't really know what is reasonable for this but I wouldn't want to pay more than like $650 if possible. What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify. Newegg works great for me and I'd prefer to buy my stuff there. Right now I'm looking at this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116987 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132120 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127860 Would these 3 work and then I can use my current Monitors, HDD+SSD etc? Should I look into replacing just about everything (and spending more obviously). Halp. I'm lost  If you need more info Lemme know. | ||
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
On October 01 2015 11:54 xeo1 wrote: Looks like my friends gonna upgrade to the 970, and I'm thinking about buying the 960 from him to upgrade the 460. Would the power consumption change significantly? I have a corsair 430W. http://www.hwcompare.com/18468/geforce-gtx-460-vs-geforce-gtx-960/ The 960 uses LESS power than the 460 :D From what little I follow power consumption is one of the big improvements that NVIDIA has been making in the last few years (especially from the 5xx to 6xx series iirc) | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
You should probably get i5 (either 4xxx to be cheaper or the current gen+unlocked 6600k to be more powerful) clock speed and performance per clock improvements matter more than hyperthreading; even when hyperthreading is well utilized like for video encoding, a 6600k at 4.5ghz would be 10% or so faster than a 4790 at stock. When it's not well utilized (many games) that lead would increase to ~25% -------- From what little I follow power consumption is one of the big improvements that NVIDIA has been making in the last few years (especially from the 5xx to 6xx series iirc) Efficiency has improved a lot, but that's generally how graphics cards improve their performance. We have the same approximate power windows (~300w for high end) and every gen is just improving efficiency, but still using 300w. If it's twice as efficient with the same power, it'll be twice as fast. We saw that every gen for a long time now The power for a midrange or a high end GPU hasn't really changed that much - part of it is deceptive naming. Back in the 200-500 series days, a 970 would have never been called a 970. It would be a gts450 or maybe a 460. + Show Spoiler + The direct replacements for the 280/480/580 (780ti, 980ti - the big chips of their generation) are just as power hungry and you see the same thing on the AMD side as well (290x, Fury X). The main difference there is that people confuse 670-680, 970-980 for flagships because of the new naming scheme and AMD being a bit behind Nvidia to allow for that naming scheme to happen (as the new "flagship" is as fast as the fastest thing available from competitor, even if there's something 1.4 - 1.8x faster that can be released soon after) 960 is half a 980, that 120w power rating is probably actually on the high side of what it would/could use | ||
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Hwotk
32 Posts
I'm not sure if it was said before but at the moment if one (that one being me) would like to get best cpu/mobo/ram combo for SC2 mainly(maybe some other more demanding games in the future) should i get I5 6600/ I7 6700 or stick to Intel Core i7-4790K ?? Both will be OC'ed. I fiddled around on scan.co.uk and configured a build : 3XS Custom 1151 LN66562 * 3XS ONLY * Intel Core i7 6700K CPU LN43672 *** 3XS No Chassis Required - Certified Alternative to be selected *** LN64660 *3XS LOGO* 16GB Kingston USB3 Pendrive for Windows Recovery Media LN62323 *3XS ONLY* Bulk Packed 4GB GTX 970 SSC ACX 2.0+ with LED LN66401 16GB (2x8GB) Corsair DDR4 Vengeance LPX Black, PC4-24000 (3000), Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 15-17-17-35, XMP 2.0, 1.35V LN50977 1TB WD Blue WD10EZEX SATA III 6GB/s 7200rpm 64MB Cache 8ms OEM HDD LN64275 256GB Samsung SM951, M.2 (22x80) PCIe 3.0 (x4) AHCI SSD, MLC NAND, Read 2150MB/s, Write 1200MB/s, 90k/70k IOPS LN46437 3 Year Warranty - 1st Year Onsite, 2nd & 3rd Year Return to Base (Parts & Labour) LN56422 3XS Custom 1150 LN48272 3XS Estimated Build - 5 Working Days LN45114 3XS Extreme Overclock - Check Build Sheet LN66039 3XS Only RM750W RMi Modular Gold Silent PSU LN61909 2 x 3XS System Build LN57605 3XS Upgrade Premium LN66322 Asus ROG Maximus VIII Hero, Intel Z170, S 1151, DDR4, SATAe/SATA3 6Gb/s, PCIe 3.0, SLi/CrossFire, HDMI, ATX Motherboard LN62771 Corsair Hydro Series H100i GTX 240mm High Performance Multi CPU Liquid Cooler, with Corsair Link, for Intel/AMD CPU's LN64750 Samsung SH-224FB/BEBE 24x Internal DVD Writer with MDISC Support, CD/DVD Read/Write, 5.25", SATA, Black, OEM Also should i always thought i would be great to have it all water cooled, is that better then having it on air ?? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
I don't recommend paying for Scan OC, you can OC manually. Especially with Skylake CPU, it's easier. I also have the VIII Hero and there's some boards out there that are a bit wonky or missing settings (particularly from MSI and Gigabyte, though there are not a lot of people with other boards in the OCN skylake thread) while it seems i chose one of the best motherboards, though at a price hike of maybe £50 over entry-level. The main problem with those boards, though a few miss settings like fclk is the lack of or woefully ineffective LLC - some people drooping from 1.4 to 1.33v for example on the best that they can do on the board while a VIII Hero has 8 levels of LLC and the most effective one (slight droop but hardly any) is level 4 or 5. ------ A custom water cooling loop would be great for cooling, but they're really expensive, a pain to set up and maintain and you kinda have to buy a bunch of components like the pump, radiators, tubing, coolant, fans etc seperately and assemble them all. That's more of an enthusiast hobby thing that's not cost for performance effective at all, it's just good at cooling. Closed-loop liquid coolers (like you have selected) are easy to use but perform worse, especially the smaller ones. A h100i will not outperform the stronger air coolers - they actually lose to the bigger air coolers for both performance/£ and performance at lower noise levels, being rather expensive and using very loud fans when those fans have to ramp up. They're still a fairly good and popular choice being quite small, less reliant on case airflow to work well (you can mount one on the top of your case and suck air through it from outside of your case, so the internal case temperatures won't kill your CPU temperatures), some people like the asthetics better etc. Just don't convince yourself that they're a performance miracle, because they're not really (: They cool well, but so do the good air coolers. ----- Temperatures are not a big problem for Skylake. I have a 6700k and a silver arrow at the moment using 1300rpm fans - at 1.38vcore while encoding with 100% CPU load until temperature completely level off, my CPU core temperatures peak at 64-69c depending on the room temperature. I'd have to use very very uncomfortable voltages to even threaten hitting 80c. I went from ~78-80c at 1.29vcore to ~66c at 1.385vcore when i changed from a 4770k to a 6700k, for reference. Same room, same cooler. | ||
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Hwotk
32 Posts
Overclock + stability testing is included as standard free of charge with scans setups. And they guarantee an OC of 4.6. So would u say to go for the best i can buy air cooler ?? what would you recommend So how does your setup (I am assuming you have been using 6700 for a while performs with SC2 ? ) do you still drop below 60 fps in maxxed engagements ?? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
Overclock + stability testing is included as standard free of charge with scans setups. And they guarantee an OC of 4.6. They cannot do that without pre-testing CPU's and giving you a certain one. If they do it like www.overclockers.co.uk does it, they guarantee that you won't get one of the worst chips out there (average OC on OCN is ~4.66ghz at 1.37v) but also probably that you won't get a great one - as they likely sell those seperately for an increased price or only in certain builds. I prefer to buy CPU's in their box with the intel factory seal on them for that reason, unless i'm buying a chip which performs way above average for volts vs clocks. So how does your setup (I am assuming you have been using 6700 for a while performs with SC2 ? ) do you still drop below 60 fps in maxxed engagements ?? Everybody does  It just takes more and more to do it with a more powerful CPU and fast RAM.+ Show Spoiler + Due to the way the sc2 engine works, even when it says 100fps, you'll have frames taking 1/60'th of a second and visible performance drop on a 60hz monitor. That's because 20 times per second, the CPU does a ton of work simulating everything that happens in the game and the frame that comes after that takes much longer than the previous frames, so you get 20 frames in every second that take way, way longer than the FPS average would have you expecting. Here's a pic of what that looks like, with every blue dot being a frame. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/os7vG2P.png) In this situation the average FPS is as high as 100-120, yet a bunch of frames still take about 1/60'th of a second. Here's a comparison benchmark between a stock Haswell i5 (around 3.7ghz) with low end DDR3 against OC'd Skylake (4.6ghz) with moderately fast DDR4. Blue = me, orange = stock haswell i5. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uaKelOA.png) I also edited the picture to cut out the fast frames and show only the ones that happen on game ticks, as they're what really matter for percieved performance: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/altE138.png) Click on the images for bigger views | ||
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Hwotk
32 Posts
hopefully 1 more question regarding new setups any cases i should look up to ? i tried to google stuff like best mid/full tower cases 2015 but they all bring different results and my head hurts ;P so far i came up with Vengeance® C70 or Carbide Series Air 240 Arctic White High Airflow (i'm keen on a white case because ascetics | ||
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