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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
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Hwotk
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Anyways thx for thx cyro you should get paid for this ;P | ||
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Cyro
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mantequilla
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
On October 04 2015 05:19 mantequilla wrote: you can't win the fight against bad software using stronger hardware. it'll always suck Yet i have unarguably ~2x the performance of a phenom II, as much as four times or maybe a bit more if you go by sc2 average FPS numbers (which are inflated and scale from things such as memory performance that the phenom II lacks) Software is almost always bad, it's just a question of how bad. I get that argument a lot from WoW players, especially those using AMD CPU's and GPU's. At this point, Skylake+Nvidia will give you 75-90fps every time with the load that will drop that combo below 30 (due to the lack of singlethreaded performance from Piledriver and the cpu efficiency problems with amd's dx11 driver). Yet they still defend it, they still tell people to buy the "wrong" hardware because of the "It will suck anyway" argument. There is some truth in it but there is very clearly a point where you're just screwing yourself out of significant performance increases! I don't talk about game performance on WoW forums any more because that toxic mindset is so widespread and it's impossible to deal with in any way without writing a 2000 word essay (complete with multiple sources and picture references) whenever it comes up. It was kinda the same for Wildstar but the "wtf, nvidia GPU = 1.5x FPS on the same CPU" issue was much more obvious to the general community due to the game having only a fraction of WoW's performance in most gameplay. The community was also smaller by two orders of magnitude so it was easier to not be a voice lost in a crowd | ||
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Firkraag8
Sweden1006 Posts
I upgraded to a 6700k with mainly Sc2 in mind, and I dare say it's the last time. It runs pretty damn well now even in the late game, an early test which has been linked here by Cyro before showed it to be around ~40% upgrade from my 3570k with both on stock speeds and it shows in-game, battles that would put me at around 40fps before now hovers around the 60fps mark. I'd rather be at around 120fps at all times, but what can you do with the engine being what it is. Rarely(if ever) dipping below 60 feels like enough of an achievement and it's smooth enough!  | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
I'd rather be at around 120fps at all times Even 200fps in sc2 is less smooth than a solid-ish 120fps in most other games so it is just a dream for the future  Still, having 80fps instead of 30 in a super intense fight is great. Throughout WOL, microstutter in the sc2 engine bothered me a lot and made me quite angry at the game. In the typical LOTV game, having a 6700k@4.6ghz and 3200c16 RAM instead of a 950 at 4ghz with 1600c9 RAM, it's more of a minor annoyance. It makes me extremely sad to think of the poor guys on bulldozer-based CPU's trying to play sc2, heroes, WoW, Wildstar etc.. | ||
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Dingodile
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
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Hwotk
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Case: (i want to get one in white hope they have it) Corsair Carbide 540, Various, Steel/Plastic, 415x332x458 (WxHxD in mm), 2x USB 3, Headphone & Mic £115.50 inc VAT Motherboards Asus ROG Maximus VIII Hero, Intel Z170, S 1151, DDR4, SATAe/SATA3 6Gb/s, PCIe 3.0, SLi/CrossFire, HDMI, ATX Motherboard £169.40 inc VAT Intel CPUs and Overclocking Intel Core i7 6700K, Skylake, Quad Core with Hyperthreading, 4.0GHz, 4.2GHz Turbo [Overclocked - CPU professionally overclocked up to 4.6GHz.] £311.60 inc VAT CPU Coolers Noctua NH-U14S - Quiet Performance Air Cooler £51.19 inc VAT (this cooler looks terrible hope i can change it to something around simmilar price that doest look have any brown shades on it) Memory 16GB (2x8GB) Corsair DDR4 Vengeance LPX Black, 3000MHz, CAS 15-17-17-35, 1.35V £113.87 inc VAT (should i ask for diffrent ram ? they only have corsairs at this speed when custom building on their website) Graphics Cards 4GB EVGA GTX 970 SSC ACX2.0, 1190MHz GPU, 1664 Cores, 7010MHz GDDR5 [Single Card.] £262.80 inc VAT should i swap it to something else ?? i don't plan to play anything more demanding then SC2, wow in near future and i wanted to go as cheap as possible here to get the best i can get elsewhere since graphics can be upgraded easily in the future) Power Supply Unit 750W Corsair RMi, Modular, Silent, 80PLUS Gold - Required for dual graphics cards £100.00 inc VAT (i dont really plan on doing any sli action but i chose 750W just in case) Storage - M.2 Solid State Drives 256GB Samsung SM951, PCIe Gen3 x4, up to 2150MB/s Read, 1200MB/s Write, 90K IOPS £116.70 inc VAT Storage - Solid State Drives (i'm new to SSD but those speeds on pcie SSD looks sweet) [1TB Western Digital Caviar Blue, 7200rpm, 64MB Cache] All this totals at £1451.41 Just asking for a final comment or should i change anything else here before placing my orded. Thx in advance guys. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
A 450w PSU would be fine for you with those parts, 550w would allow for a more power hungry GPU with CPU and GPU overclocking - 650 or 750w would be for two GPU's. You can get one of the best PSU's in those lower wattage ratings for about £45-60. If you're not supersampling WoW, you can get by with a 960 - sc2 and WoW when there are lots of units/players involved are quite highly CPU bound, so min FPS would be the same on a 960 or a 980ti. Maybe my GPU usage is lower than most people because i don't run with shadows maxed (they hurt performance a LOT when either cpu or gpu bound) but i could even run 2x 1080p resolution and still be well under half GPU load during periods of lower FPS in raids (my GPU is 2x as fast as a 960) 3000c15 RAM isn't bad, it's just that 3200c16 is likely just a slightly better bin of the same thing at a bit higher price if that's what you want. Performance difference is functionally pretty much 0 but it's something that i got as a tweaker/benchmarker. I don't particularly like the evga 970 but i'm not sure of the best one for you. The MSI gaming 4g is pretty good. | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
What is your budget? $300 for new media server PC. What is your monitor's native resolution? Using projector at 1080p What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? None, media only. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Watch media Do you intend to overclock? no need Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? no ned Do you need an operating system? no need, probably trying out ubuntu. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? no need If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. no need What country will you be buying your parts in? US If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. none | ||
fusefuse
Estonia4644 Posts
since I'm going with broadwell (i5-5675c), finding a Z97 matx motherboard that has up to date BIOS and also has the featureset I prefer has been pretty impossible. So the mb I've chosen is the ASRock Z97M Pro4. And either I'm dumb or can't find proper information about it, but how possible (and if at all) is it to flash BIOS to a newer version (from an unspecified earlier version to 1.80) to recognize a broadwell cpu on ASRock's and more specifically this motherboard :D I'm wondering because im a day or two away from ordering the parts and I'm contemplating if I should spend 20€ for the shop to flash the bios with a 1150 cpu at hand for 20€ on a 100€ mb, or could I do it myself (without actually having to source a haswell cpu for the purpose) :D | ||
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
Assuming the IGPU can handle watching high res videos all you really need are the basics: motherboard, RAM, power supply, case, HDD/SSD. An optical drive might be useful for watching from a DVD/Bluray. I see a video of the IGPU playing Tomb Raider on low settings, so seems like movies shouldn't be a problem for it. Might be able to run some linux OS off a flash drive and not even need an HDD/SSD. I would think 4GB of RAM to be more than sufficient. System that simple should be well under 300W for a PSU (probably never crossing 200W). | ||
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Lothor
United States10 Posts
Any new data samples for how 64 bit SC2 relates to performance? Cheers! | ||
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DarthXX
Australia998 Posts
I'd like to keep it around $1500 but this is flexible (probably up to around 1800) What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Sc2, GW2 + some new games coming out (as high as it'll go) What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Not much Do you intend to overclock? Yes, eventually Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No Do you need an operating system? Yes Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? A wifi card since I'm not 100% sure I can run ethernet to this thing. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Not particularly attached to any brand though I am partial to white cases. What country will you be buying your parts in? Australia - Brisbane If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Umart - Since I got easy pick up from there and won't have to blow anything on shipping. I've put a tentative build together but I'm not sure if it's that ideal but would appreciate advice on where I can make some savings or other suggestions. Would prefer to get from Umart as mentioned I can go pick up from there and not have to pay shipping but I am not attached to them. I've emailed them and they said they don't offer any special deals if you order the whole build from them so I don't mind other shops around Brisbane like MSY and the like if they end up being cheaper (though as before I prefer to be able to pickup). In particular would like to know whether or not I actually need a full tower for something like this. Thanks + Show Spoiler [Build] + CPU - i5-6600k $355 https://www.umart.com.au/umart1/pro/products_review.phtml?id=10&bid=2&id2=13&sid=254216 Mobo - Asus z170-M PLUS $196 https://www.umart.com.au/umart1/pro/Products-details.phtml?id=10&id2=540&bid=2&sid=254529& GPU - GTX 970 G1 Gigabyte $519 https://www.umart.com.au/umart1/pro/products_review.phtml?id=10&bid=2&id2=409&sid=203208 RAM - 2x4gb DDR4 $95 https://www.umart.com.au/umart1/pro/Products-details.phtml?id=10&id2=401&bid=2&sid=202192& SSD - 240gb Kingston $125 https://www.umart.com.au/umart1/pro/Products-details.phtml?id=10&id2=159&bid=2&sid=196554& HDD - 1TB Seagate $68 https://www.umart.com.au/umart1/pro/Products-details.phtml?id=10&id2=129&bid=2&sid=82930& PSU - EVGA 120-G1 650w $135 https://www.umart.com.au/umart1/pro/Products-details.phtml?id=10&id2=140&bid=2&sid=223103& Cooler - nothing in mind yet the list is here not really sure what I should be looking for https://www.umart.com.au/umart1/pro/Products_list.phtml?id=10&bid=2&id2=185 Case - NZXT Phantom 530 Full Tower - $189 http://www.umart.com.au/umart1/pro/products_review.phtml?id=10&bid=2&id2=213&sid=139087 Total - $1679 not counting cooler and OS + wifi card | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
On October 07 2015 09:23 Lothor wrote: Hey Cyro, Any new data samples for how 64 bit SC2 relates to performance? Cheers! ~7-15% worse than 32-bit on the LOTV beta but i have not tested the 3.0 patch yet which may be quite different. If anyone has any replays from 3.0+ with a lot of units fighting stuff please pm to me :D | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
Not sure of that mobo but should be able to give a good OC afaik, maybe not pushing the last 100mhz. Worth checking up on before buying anything, if it has usable LLC settings etc. G1 is kinda expensive and the 970 G1 doesn't have some of the stuff i like about the G1/windforce cooler (that one maxes at a lower RPM). If there's a cheaper 970 with good cooling it might be worth saving the money It's good to get faster RAM. 2133 DDR4 is actually very slow in some ways* and manually overvolting+overclocking RAM is very complex when compared to CPU/GPU overclocking - much easier just buying a kit like 3000c15 / 3200c16 @1.35v. SSD, i do not know that particular model very well (or most actually) but along with the case and PSU, you'd probably have these parts for 5 years or even maybe more. Mobo, CPU, RAM, GPU, HDD are all generally more replacable than SSD/PSU/Case. Cooler - maybe start with a noctua u12s? 6600k's are easy to cool but you're in australia. I have a silver arrow and get like absolute max 62c while encoding at 1.425vcore with 4c4t - but you could have a worse cooler and you could have 20c hotter ambients for all i know I think a standard ~1.3 - 1.35v overclock would be doable without going all-out on CPU cooler still.*I went from some 2200c9 ddr3 to 3200c16. The ddr4 has slightly worse latency (by like 5%) but massively increased bandwidth (~+65%). If you compare ddr4 at anywhere near ddr3 clock speeds, it loses horribly - 2133c15 ddr4 is like 1333c9 ddr3 tier and modern CPU's (haswell, skylake) can benefit a lot from faster RAM, even giving very significant performance improvements in games like starcraft 2 and stuff in frostbite engine (like battlefield 4, probably star wars battlefront) | ||
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DarthXX
Australia998 Posts
On October 07 2015 21:52 Cyro wrote: @DarthXX Not sure of that mobo but should be able to give a good OC afaik, maybe not pushing the last 100mhz. Worth checking up on before buying anything, if it has usable LLC settings etc. G1 is kinda expensive and the 970 G1 doesn't have some of the stuff i like about the G1/windforce cooler (that one maxes at a lower RPM). If there's a cheaper 970 with good cooling it might be worth saving the money It's good to get faster RAM. 2133 DDR4 is actually very slow in some ways* and manually overvolting+overclocking RAM is very complex when compared to CPU/GPU overclocking - much easier just buying a kit like 3000c15 / 3200c16 @1.35v. SSD, i do not know that particular model very well (or most actually) but along with the case and PSU, you'd probably have these parts for 5 years or even maybe more. Mobo, CPU, RAM, GPU, HDD are all generally more replacable than SSD/PSU/Case. Cooler - maybe start with a noctua u12s? 6600k's are easy to cool but you're in australia. I have a silver arrow and get like absolute max 62c while encoding at 1.425vcore with 4c4t - but you could have a worse cooler and you could have 20c hotter ambients for all i know I think a standard ~1.3 - 1.35v overclock would be doable without going all-out on CPU cooler still.*I went from some 2200c9 ddr3 to 3200c16. The ddr4 has slightly worse latency (by like 5%) but massively increased bandwidth (~+65%). If you compare ddr4 at anywhere near ddr3 clock speeds, it loses horribly - 2133c15 ddr4 is like 1333c9 ddr3 tier and modern CPU's (haswell, skylake) can benefit a lot from faster RAM, even giving very significant performance improvements in games like starcraft 2 and stuff in frostbite engine (like battlefield 4, probably star wars battlefront) Thanks for the tip I'll pick up the better RAM, didn't really think much of it when picking. In terms of the mobo it was just one that got recommended to me in a shop so I hadn't really looked into it that much, from a couple stores the i5-6600k is cheaper than the i5-4690k but the flip side is that for some reason there seems to be a big shortage of z97 mobos in Brisbane at the moment but not z170s. There is the other Gigabyte base windforce model that has lower clock speeds https://www.umart.com.au/umart1/pro/products_review.phtml?id=10&bid=2&id2=409&sid=219271 for a decent amount cheaper ($40). The cooler is somewhat of a concern, spring has arrived and its hitting 33C+ at the moment and it does get up to the low 40s at times in the summer but I figured these parts don't tend to be that expensive so if its really necessary I'll upgrade later on. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
In terms of the mobo it was just one that got recommended to me in a shop so I hadn't really looked into it that much, from a couple stores the i5-6600k is cheaper than the i5-4690k but the flip side is that for some reason there seems to be a big shortage of z97 mobos in Brisbane at the moment but not z170s. 4690k+z97 is end of life, 6600k/z170 replaced it a few months ago and is better the GPU cooler is what i would be most worried about with 20c hotter ambients, you'll likely be using the upper end of available GPU fan speeds when under load | ||
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