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What is your current build?
Motherboard: MSI H77MA-G43 ATX LGA1155 H77 DDR3 2PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 3PCI HDMI CrossFireX SATA3 USB3.0 Motherboard
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL 8GB 2X4GB DDR3-1600 CL9-9-9-24 Memory
CPU: Intel Core i5 3570 Quad Core Processor LGA1155 3.4GHZ Ivy Bridge 6MB Retail
GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 680 OC 1071MHZ 2GB 6.0GHZ GDDR5 2xDVI HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Vid *IR-$30*
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB SATA 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN Hard Drive OEM
SSD: Crucial M4 SSD Micron C400 128GB 2.5IN Solid State Disk Flash Drive SATA3 6Gbps
PSU: NZXT Hale 82 650W ATX 12V 24PIN 80PLUS Bronze Modular Power Supply *IR-$40*
What is your monitor's native resolution?
2 monitors 1920x1080. Main one is 144hz
Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
Get higher FPS in games like starcraft and dota
What is your budget?
Around 500$, can go higher if needed.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Canada
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On October 10 2015 00:27 InfectedGoat wrote:
What is your current build?
Motherboard: MSI H77MA-G43 ATX LGA1155 H77 DDR3 2PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 3PCI HDMI CrossFireX SATA3 USB3.0 Motherboard
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL 8GB 2X4GB DDR3-1600 CL9-9-9-24 Memory
CPU: Intel Core i5 3570 Quad Core Processor LGA1155 3.4GHZ Ivy Bridge 6MB Retail
GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 680 OC 1071MHZ 2GB 6.0GHZ GDDR5 2xDVI HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Vid *IR-$30*
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB SATA 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN Hard Drive OEM
SSD: Crucial M4 SSD Micron C400 128GB 2.5IN Solid State Disk Flash Drive SATA3 6Gbps
PSU: NZXT Hale 82 650W ATX 12V 24PIN 80PLUS Bronze Modular Power Supply *IR-$40*
What is your monitor's native resolution?
2 monitors 1920x1080. Main one is 144hz
Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
Get higher FPS in games like starcraft and dota
What is your budget?
Around 500$, can go higher if needed.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Canada
Roughly these parts~
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($334.75 @ shopRBC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.05 @ Vuugo)
Motherboard: Asus Z170-K ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($179.24 @ DirectCanada)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($89.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Total: $633.03
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-09 11:45 EDT-0400
Budget is pretty inflexible for them. CPU costs what CPU costs, that's the lower end of mobo's that are worth getting, there is some slightly cheaper RAM available but at a huge RAM performance loss (which is relevant for starcraft, at least) and you could get a cooler at the $20-35 range especially if you buy it from a specific shop and use a rebate etc but there's benefit going a little higher. I think realistically you wouldn't do better than ~$650 shipped going from those prices.
Performance improvement on CPU roughly 1.5x or so, split from clock speed increase (from ~3.7ghz to ~4.6ghz) and performance increase at the same clock speed due to the improvements from Haswell and Skylake gens.
That upgrade assumes you're fine with CPU overclocking stuff which is relatively simple this generation but still needs a little time investment and learning
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A question, if I just want to play Dota2, Diablo3 and Fifa16 at whatever setting, as long as it plays smoothly on 1080p (currently I am hovering at 30fps on my laptop, so anything above that is good, may be 60fps if possible), is iGPU on a 6700k gonna cut it? or I should get something like 750Ti? 950? or 370?
prices suck here, so for reference, 750Ti ~ $260, 950 ~ $290, 960 ~ $370, 970 ~ $620, R7 370 ~ $310. Those are from more renowned brands like Gigabyte, MSI, Asus. I can find those cheaper by $20-40 from brands like Zotac or Pallit or whatever.
Basically I dont game as much anymore, thus I cant justify spending on things like 970 or 980Ti, just need something to run those games comfortably because my laptop is dying due to overheating, not yet but soon I guess. Speaking about games, Dota2, Diablo3 and Fifa16 may be limited, I do play some other random games like Euro Truck or Hearthstone, but basically most of those random games are low graphics, I dont play AAA so yeah. I used to do video editing, but probably do once a year now, so whatever really. Those games are not the standard benchmark in reviews so very hard to find concrete data on those, if anyone come across please link for me. Thanks a lot
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I think a basic GPU like a 950 might be worth it for driver reasons.
Gumbi recently had to RMA his GPU and didn't have one for a while; his FPS halved even when CPU limited in sc2 and he had minor microstuttering issues. I don't think the Intel driver or very good or CPU efficient; AMD iGPU's sounds better
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On October 09 2015 07:00 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2015 06:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On October 09 2015 03:00 Cyro wrote:
Sure~
By now the 6'th gen i3's and cheaper skylake motherboards are available. You could probably use one of those.
A ~550w PSU would be better to have for a Titan though a 430-450w-ish PSU with the right power connectors (that's the main concern, many lower power PSU's do not have them) will do ok because the CPU power consumption etc will be very low and the GPU probably not highly overclocked.
It's better to use 2 memory sticks for dual channel as it doubles bandwidth, the only reason not to do so is when you have limited memory slots on the motherboard, no reasonable alternatives with more memory slots and the number of slots would stop you from adding as much RAM as you want in the future.
Single channel ddr3 1600 is ~10GB/s
Dual channel ddr3 1600 is ~20GB/s
Dual channel fast ddr4 (3200) is ~45GB/s. Alright so go with 2 sticks of memory and I guess the 550w PSU just to be safe then. But what about the other parts? Should I stick with what I had picked out before. You could get some parts like this - PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchantCPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($171.85 @ NCIX) Motherboard: ASRock B150M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($99.50 @ Vuugo) Total: $271.35 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when availableGenerated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-08 17:59 EDT-0400which would also use ddr4 i think but the pricing doesn't seem so good in canada, maybe because of availability. Haswell is still fine for i3. you could also try to go for a 6600k setup but that's more expensive
The DDR4s are pushing the price up quite a bit... I think 2 DDR3s will be okay. So I choose a different motherboard that is compatible and have a build ready. This look okay or did I fuck up completely? This + my graphics card bring the price up to ~$1315
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/Yfy8NG
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On October 10 2015 02:35 Cyro wrote:
I think a basic GPU like a 950 might be worth it for driver reasons.
Gumbi recently had to RMA his GPU and didn't have one for a while; his FPS halved even when CPU limited in sc2 and he had minor microstuttering issues. I don't think the Intel driver or very good or CPU efficient; AMD iGPU's sounds better
Thanks, but not gonna touch AMD iGPU for no particular reason. I know I definitely want a skylake, whether it's 6600K or 6700K. It's more about what GPU to put in. Basically I can spend on 980Ti if I feel I need it, but the fact is I dont. Also, the async compute thing, while it wont affect games for a while, still make it doesnt worth spending $1000 (around SGD1200 here for 980Ti) if I dont need it. Best option is running iGPU or cheap GPU like 950 for may be 1.5 - 2 years then just buy whatever Nvidia/AMD come up next that fully support everything. Heck, there might even be DX13 that would break everything again at that point. Future-proofing is kinda meh, I just dont want to overspend. But I'm not sure how 950 will handle Dota2, Diablo3 and Fifa16, because reviews benchmark other games, and games are made differently so results may vary
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The DDR4s are pushing the price up quite a bit... I think 2 DDR3s will be okay. So I choose a different motherboard that is compatible and have a build ready. This look okay or did I fuck up completely?
You saved $13 by switching to worse performing RAM that's technically compatible but a really bad idea to use. If you wanna save $13, you can also do it by using kinda crap ddr4 that runs at a safe voltage.
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On October 10 2015 02:45 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +The DDR4s are pushing the price up quite a bit... I think 2 DDR3s will be okay. So I choose a different motherboard that is compatible and have a build ready. This look okay or did I fuck up completely? You saved $13 by switching to worse performing RAM that's technically compatible but a really bad idea to use. If you wanna save $13, you can also do it by using kinda crap ddr4 that runs at a safe voltage.
I totally miscalculated in my head, you're right. Picked a DDR4 and switched MommaBoard back. I believe this counts as "fucked up completely"
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/3zPvJx
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Damn i'm confused with all of the different builds D:
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On October 10 2015 03:16 Cyro wrote:
Damn i'm confused with all of the different builds D:
Just go with the latest one, is it cool or does it suck shit?
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/3zPvJx
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do you want like $250 more for 6600k + 16GB fast ddr4 + z170 + good psu/ssd or do you want to keep budget down?
my brain isn't working at all now 
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On October 10 2015 05:14 Cyro wrote:do you want like $250 more for 6600k + 16GB fast ddr4 + z170 + good psu/ssd or do you want to keep budget down? my brain isn't working at all now
how much better would my PC be if i got those things over the ones i have now?
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On October 10 2015 05:29 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2015 05:14 Cyro wrote:On October 10 2015 03:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On October 10 2015 03:16 Cyro wrote:
Damn i'm confused with all of the different builds D: Just go with the latest one, is it cool or does it suck shit? http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/3zPvJx do you want like $250 more for 6600k + 16GB fast ddr4 + z170 + good psu/ssd or do you want to keep budget down? my brain isn't working at all now how much better would my PC be if i got those things over the ones i have now?
Depends on the task - it's CPU so it would only affect stuff when limited by the CPU - for numbers, about 20-30% faster for singlethreaded, twice as fast when you can use all 4 cores effectively. It's just a little painful using i3 with a GPU of that tier - you can still do it, or even use a locked i5 (6'th gen or even 4'th gen if it's much cheaper) fairly cheaply. That's not so bad. OC is for high perrformance, up to you
The PSU/SSD would just be being picky under the assumption of potentially keeping them for like 4-8 years
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On October 10 2015 05:38 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2015 05:29 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On October 10 2015 05:14 Cyro wrote:On October 10 2015 03:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On October 10 2015 03:16 Cyro wrote:
Damn i'm confused with all of the different builds D: Just go with the latest one, is it cool or does it suck shit? http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/3zPvJx do you want like $250 more for 6600k + 16GB fast ddr4 + z170 + good psu/ssd or do you want to keep budget down? my brain isn't working at all now how much better would my PC be if i got those things over the ones i have now? Depends on the task - it's CPU so it would only affect stuff when limited by the CPU - for numbers, about 20-30% faster for singlethreaded, twice as fast when you can use all 4 cores effectively. It's just a little painful using i3 with a GPU of that tier - you can still do it, or even use a locked i5 (6'th gen or even 4'th gen if it's much cheaper) fairly cheaply. That's not so bad. OC is for high perrformance, up to you The PSU/SSD would just be being picky under the assumption of potentially keeping them for like 4-8 years
Make me a parts list and I'll see if I have money for it, how about that? Sorry, I just have no clue what I should or should not be getting
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After a long-ass while, parts are finally ordered, arriving next week
Here's the final spec I chose after a shitton of deliberation, and obviously I could have just kept on swapping parts in the list for ages, but I had to cut it eventually :D
Build comments and questions coming soon
CPU - i5-5675C, tray - 270€
MB - ASRock Z97M PRO4 mATX - 98€ + 20€ for BIOS flash to support broadwell
Case - BitFenix Phenom mATX - 76€
SSD - Samsung 850 EVO 250GB - 107€
HDD - WD Caviar Blue 1TB - 56€
Cooler - CM Hyper 212 Evo - 35€
PSU - Enermax MaxPro 500W 80+ - 51€
RAM - Kingston HyperX Savage DDR3 2x4GB 1866CL9 - 53€
WLAN - TP-Link - WN851ND N:300 PCI - 15€
Monitor - AOC I2269VWM 21,5" 1080p IPS - 136€
Total - 917€
First PC I'm actually going to build from the ground up myself, and my first forays into mild overclocking, this is going to be a fascinating journey :D
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Nice build fuse, Broadwell is nice and definitely the way to go if you are skipping on a GPU to begin with. Going for a small build for the first PC is a bit brave, good luck, I hear it can be frustrating. 
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On October 10 2015 23:16 Firkraag8 wrote:Nice build fuse, Broadwell is nice and definitely the way to go if you are skipping on a GPU to begin with. Going for a small build for the first PC is a bit brave, good luck, I hear it can be frustrating.
Yup, thats the idea, I feel like this is a solid platform to build and upgrade on for quite a while, so easy to just plop a decent gpu and more ram in it in the future!
The case choice was mostly because of space contraints (and because it looks badass), I'm already sort of aware how much of a hassle its going to be, and I'm sort of already glad i ditched the ITX angle for now :D
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My first ever build was itx  it wasn't a fun experience, especially with a non modular psu
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:D
and to think i was gonna go ITX with CM Elite 130 Mini and a nonmodular PSU :'D
atleast the Phenom is slightly bigger than a regular ITX case :D
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