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On November 22 2014 06:44 dudeman001 wrote:
I understand there are a lot of great advantages to using a SSD. I'm wondering, if you know you're going to be using more memory than the 100-200GB of space on the SSD, is the typical approach to just use a HD or use an external HD for things that aren't regularly accessed and stick with a SSD?
Currently I'm using about 440GB, a lot coming from all the games I keep installed. But even if I did massive uninstalling I still expect I'd be around the limit of most affordable SSDs.
Yes, you would use your SSD for games / software you use on a daily or semi-daily basis and use a larger HDD for the less frequently used games / software.
Also for multiplayer games where you have to wait on others to load (eg. LoL), you can always put them on the HDD since there usually is always a snail part of the game.
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if i get a i5 4690k, i can upgrade with broadwell down the road on same mobo, right?
if so, are there any drawbacks compared to newer motherboards that will come out with introductions of broadwell chips?
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On November 22 2014 08:27 jinorazi wrote:
if i get a i5 4690k, i can upgrade with broadwell down the road on same mobo, right?
if so, are there any drawbacks compared to newer motherboards that will come out with introductions of broadwell chips?
If you have a 9 series board, all you will need is a BIOS update to support Broadwell. The 9 series (H97, Z97, etc) are the motherboards designed for Broadwell.
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Keep in mind that unless maybe you're looking for better integrated graphics performance or a bit lower power consumption, you're not going to find much upgrading from (Devil's Canyon) Haswell to Broadwell. Seems like 0-3% performance improvements on the CPU side at equal clocks, and I don't think there's a compelling reason to expect significantly better overclocking or hex cores or whatever else like that.
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So I am in the early process of upgrading my computer. its a 3 year old rig and my first build. I honestly didn't do much research, it was a pretty standard build with some mid-end/highish end parts from then. (Specs Below.)
Primarily I wanted to upgrade my video card come the new year since a lot of the newer games my comp can't run at high/max settings(I would play games on console if I wanted medium settings). I don't play too many major releases, but it was only hitting 20fps on shadows of mordor at maxed settings(so I had to play it at high/mid end, not a big dea). So i'm thinking if I want to play games coming out next year (I.E. Witcher 3) at higher end graphics I should look to upgrade my comp. I'm not expecting to hit maxed out graphics with this upgrade, but just a significant improvement.
HOWEVER, I've been having a hard time on how to figure out whats a logical card for an upgrade from mine. Like should I be looking at a GTX770 or GTX760 ? and I'm also having a hard time figuring out how to tell if my power supply is good enough to handle that upgrade. (really don't want to replace my power supply if possible.) I had a lot of help with this original build so I guess I didn't do all my research on this sort of stuff.
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Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 1.2GB (EVGA)
Processor: Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz (this is overclocked to 4.4 ghz)
motherboard: ASUS P8Z68-V LE (can't SLI with this motherboard, I don't want to anyway, play mostly sc2 and dota so not worth it.)
RAM: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Corsair Vengeance Series
Power Supply:600W Corsair CX600 V2
Hard Drive:500GB
Optical Drive: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW
OS: Windows 7 (doesn't matter but thought i'd list it)
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I'd say GTX 970 or R9 290. Both have a healthy 4 GB of VRAM, which is starting to matter more past a certain point, even at "ordinary" resolutions like 1920x1080, and they represent a healthy step up in performance, with the GTX 970 being overall superior at pretty much everything but more expensive.
GTX 760 is not enough of an upgrade to be justifiable. GTX 770 is not worth it when the GTX 970 with greater power efficiency, greater performance, and slightly better feature set is available for not all that much more. GTX 760 and 770 standard models come with 2 GB of VRAM too, which is likely fine now for most people but may readily become more limiting. (In case you were wondering, desktop 800 series was skipped in terms of naming. 900 is after 700, and current products share the same manufacturing process node as 600 series)
Power supply is fine for whatever single-GPU graphics card you want unless you're a hardcore overclocker.
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ok thanks. That's good that I don't need to worry about my power supply. Yea i've never actually fiddled around at all with overclocking a GPU. (I thought having a cpu overclocked 1ghz was far enough. maybe i'm just a wimp) Is GPU overclocking really worth it ?
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Yes
Reference speed 970's are around 1200mhz core with 7000mhz memory
The good overclocking cards (Giga g1, msi gaming 970) regularly hit 1550mhz on the core, 8000 memory (or a bit lower, maybe higher)
4.4ghz is also considered pretty low for sandy bridge (people regularly complain about Haswell not clocking as high because they "only" usually do about 4.6-4.7ghz without using more dangerous levels of voltage)
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Hello everyone,
after couple of years, I've decided it's time to get a new PC. I currently have Dell Latitude E6530 that suffices for my gaming needs, but I'd like to use it just for work and get a dedicated PC for gaming.
I've made a first draft of possible build and I am looking for your opinion about it, namely I'd like to hear your opinions on what the bottle neck is and if there is a component that can be downgraded without significant impact onto performance.
Any constructive feedback is welcome ofcourse.
First of all, the basic questionaire:
What is your budget?
I would like to get it under € 700, but I'm flexible when I have a reason to be.
What is your monitor's native resolution?
Atm 1600x900, maybe ill get a new one with 1900x1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
I mostly play games that aren't on the high end of requirements (namely Dota 2), but the aim for the PC is to be able to run GTA V (and similar) on decent settings. No need for everything ultra, just midrange.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Not much.
Do you intend to overclock?
If the CPU will be AMD, yes. Else, not at the moment.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No.
Do you need an operating system?
No, already have Win 8.1 licence.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
No.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
No.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Czech Republic
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
None.
In this stage, I've only used webpage of one of the largest HW suppliers in country to get the components and pricing. Once I have my final draft I'll start looking for a possibilities to get the components cheaper, but for now I'll work with alza.cz prices as a reference frame.
The suggested build is as follows:
CPU: AMD FX-6300 - 102 EUR
MOBO:MSI 970 GAMING - 89 EUR
RAM: Kingston 8GB KIT DDR3 2666MHz CL11 HyperX XMP Predator Series - 104 EUR (2x4 Gb)
GPU: MSI R9 270 Gaming 2G - 167 EUR
PSU: Corsair HX620W - 0 EUR (already own this one)
Case: Zalman Z3 - 34 EUR (just a placeholder basically, I don't really need a fancy case, all I'm looking for is good access to USB and audio ports)
HSF: GELID Solutions Tranquillo - 25 EUR
SSD: Kingston SSDNow V300 240GB 7mm - 102 EUR
HDD: Western Digital Blue 1000GB 64MB cache - 56 EUR (I am currently planning to build a dedicated PC for data storage and home cinema, so I've no need for excessive data storage).
That is pretty much if for now. Thank you for any suggestions / critique!
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Do you intend to overclock?
If the CPU will be AMD, yes. Else, not at the moment.
Why this?
avoid the v300, i wrote why on the last page i think
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On November 22 2014 21:06 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +Do you intend to overclock?
If the CPU will be AMD, yes. Else, not at the moment. Why this? avoid the v300, i wrote why on the last page i think
probably price
A non-overclocked intel processor will out-perform overclocked FX 6300 for gaming purposes. Given your budget you'd probably best off with a faster i3.
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On November 22 2014 21:23 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2014 21:06 Cyro wrote:Do you intend to overclock?
If the CPU will be AMD, yes. Else, not at the moment. Why this? avoid the v300, i wrote why on the last page i think probably price A non-overclocked intel processor will out-perform overclocked FX 6300 for gaming purposes. Given your budget you'd probably best off with a faster i3.
I don't mean any of that, it just seems very specific and arbitrary to only want to OC certain CPU's but not others and maybe the result of bad information so i was wondering why specifically
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Yes, the reason for AMD was price.
I am aware that Intel processors are better for gaming purposes, but i5 and mobo I had in mind for it are like 110 EUR more expensive. I just wasnt sure that i5 will offer comparable increase in performance to the rise in price to justify the cost.
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Ok, just checking because there are also some Intel cpu's to oc at lower pricepoints than fx6300 (pentium g3258), though it's probably not appropriate for you
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As to why I said OC only for AMD - simply put I tought that intel will suffice to my needs with stock clock, while AMD might need a little push.
I also tought that OCing AMD while keeping the temperatures in check is easier than intel. But I admit that I havent really done much research in the matter.
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i can't verify what i say but i've heard that vishera FX processors are hot power hogs
an i3 at 3.4+ GHz will out-perform that FX-6300 in single-threaded applications (e.g. gaming), won't need a heatsink and will be able to use a cheaper H81 or B85 motherboard than the fx-6300.
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What is your current build?
ONE Gaming Build:
CPU: Intel i7 2600 CPU
MOBO: MSI MS 7678
RAM: 8 GB (4 x 2GB)
GPU: AMD Radeon HD 6950
PSU: be quiet! 550W
HDD: 1 TB
Windows 7 64
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920 /1080
Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
Gaming - New Games on Ultra 
What is your budget?
as long as it's a real upgrade and worth it i buy it
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Germany i guess
If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.
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First of all i'd like to know if i should just upgrade or invest in a complete new build?
I was thinking of upgrading the GPU and maybe the RAM to 16 GB (dunno if that is even necessary?)
Need some experts opinion please 
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At the moment new games on ultra at 1080p will be fine if you just upgrade the GPU to around a 970 or 290X
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For things like DAI on ultra you'll need some more RAM as well.
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More than 8GB?
The most RAM i've seen any game ever use without massive memory leak problems was Planetside 2 - at around 5GB - which leaves ~2gb free on 8gb with OS included for me. Some console games are using lots of RAM/VRAM, but they usually seem to go heavier towards VRAM - since ps4 has about 6.5GB to split between RAM and VRAM, it's often something like half and half (see shadow of mordor using 4gb of RAM for 1080p with ultra textures)
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