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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
a CPU with hyperthreading gets more performance in well-threaded tasks. does the extra performance hyper-threading garner reduce the workload overall? if i'm streaming at 1080p60 with an i5, i will drop my FPS by a certain amount. if i'm streaming at the same settings with an i7, my FPS will also drop. my question is whether the fps drop you get with the i7 is greater, equal to or lesser than the fps drop with an i5. E: @ cyro yes i hang around this thread a lot don't i? :p | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
does the extra performance hyper-threading garner reduce the workload overall? if i'm streaming at 1080p60 with an i5, i will drop my FPS by a certain amount. if i'm streaming at the same settings with an i7, my FPS will also drop. my question is whether the fps drop you get with the i7 is greater, equal to or lesser than the fps drop with an i5. The answer as far as i know is both no and yes in sc2 for example, on a 5960x, if you give 2-3 cores to the game so that it's not using any other cores at all and can't see any performance gain, and then you use those remaining 5-6 cores of the CPU to run a 1080p30-1080p60 stream, you will still get the same % FPS drop - adding HT or adding cores won't help at all. Something to do with screen capture process, i don't really understand it but that's where all or almost all of the performance loss comes from on the games that i try to stream/record. That's where NVENC is way better (with a small fraction of the performance hit) - even when you have a super powerful CPU with most cores sat idle waiting to encode something. If it's a situation like trying to run battlefield 4 for example at high FPS, the game might be trying to use many CPU cores a lot, to the point where there's not enough CPU remaining to encode the stream, and at that point they're in direct competition for CPU resources and either the stream will drop frames and/or it will hurt the performance of the game more than usual as a result of that - but that's not really the case in sc2 or csgo; for games where it's an issue at all, i use NVENC | ||
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SonGoku
Germany152 Posts
But, I already had several issues with overheating so I am willing to invest into extra cooler, just in case. Same goes for Nvidia. Case: I have changed it to the Cooler Master N300, very good! Thanks! Also I changed the SSD, heard it twice now that I should get the crucial mx100... http://de.pcpartpicker.com/p/YTTQhM so you would say gogo? I have just kept Windows on the list to remind me to add it on to the total prize. Just to get an overview. You´re totally right I can get it cheaper elsewhere. EDIT: wawa wiwa new posts while I was writing. Reading it now! | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
If you don't want a CPU that can be overclocked, you should change the other parts on your list. You can buy a cheaper motherboard and you do not need the CPU cooler. In that case, you should also choose the cheapest 1600 MHz RAM you can find. The faster 2133 MHz RAM won't work at its faster speed without the parts for overclocking. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
On November 21 2014 20:08 SonGoku wrote: Thanks! I am not very confident in electric stuff so I dont know if OC is a good idea for me. Therefore I have changed the i7 into an i5, as recommended. But, I already had several issues with overheating so I am willing to invest into extra cooler, just in case. Same goes for Nvidia. Case: I have changed it to the Cooler Master N300, very good! Thanks! Also I changed the SSD, heard it twice now that I should get the crucial mx100... http://de.pcpartpicker.com/p/YTTQhM so you would say gogo? I have just kept Windows on the list to remind me to add it on to the total prize. Just to get an overview. You´re totally right I can get it cheaper elsewhere. If you do not want to learn to overclock/tweak, than z97 is unnecessary. Without that, you can drop back to 1600mhz RAM too, a 40 euro cooler is very excessive and maybe there is a cheaper aftermarket one if you really don't trust the stock cooler. Right now, you're basically taking on all of the cost of overclocking (big expensive cooler, way more expensive mobo than otherwise neccesary) with none of the gains. For stock, h81, b85, h87 etc work fine. remember the other change, PSU you got 2 options (one better one at ~48 euro from incog iirc - and then superflower golden green 450 @~60 euro from me, you can just pick one of those) And the total price for windows stuff: You can maybe get student discount as said, there are some ways to use windows for free etc | ||
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SonGoku
Germany152 Posts
Do I need to OC for streaming or can an i5 be enough? I really dont want to have huge lags/restrictions in terms of gameplay while streaming so I am more likely to invest a bit more instead of having the cheaper solution but worse gaming/streaming experience... Do you know what some pro-gamers rig looks like? I know they most use stuff from their sponsorships instead of reasonable stuff, but still it should give me an idea. EDIT: I just have read something about heat-paste. Isn´t it possible to install a CPU-cooler without it? EDIT2: Ok, some say yes, some say no. Seems to be optional (?) | ||
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
On November 21 2014 20:24 SonGoku wrote: Ok my first simple question is: Do I need to OC for streaming or can an i5 be enough? I really dont want to have huge lags/restrictions in terms of gameplay while streaming so I am more likely to invest a bit more instead of having the cheaper solution but worse gaming/streaming experience... Do you know what some pro-gamers rig looks like? I know they most use stuff from their sponsorships instead of reasonable stuff, but still it should give me an idea. EDIT: I just have read something about heat-paste. Isn´t it possible to install a CPU-cooler without it? EDIT2: Ok, some say yes, some say no. Seems to be optional (?) I stream sc2 without issue using an i5-4670 (non oc) with stock cooler. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
it might take you a few hours, perhaps even a few days, but that time is well spent for what you get. not that you can't get by with an i5 at stock clocks. i5 at stock clock works, it's just that the overclocked i5 works better and if you tried both systems you could probably see a difference. if you don't overclock then don't worry about cooling, the stock cooler comes with heat paste pre-applied. i'm pretty sure that most aftermarket CPU coolers also come with their own heat paste, i know mine did. i'm pretty sure pro-gamers use rigs that are just given to them and they don't care about what's inside. either way, since it's given to them they don't have to worry about price / performance like you do. what you'll build with this thread's help will probably be better either way, i've seen the specs of the PC artosis uses to stream for example and i'm not impressed. chance your power supply though. plz. i'm heart-broken when people don't care about power supplies </3 @ cyro, ty for the insight. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
EDIT: I just have read something about heat-paste. Isn´t it possible to install a CPU-cooler without it? Thermal paste is a very important part of cooling, you need it to transfer heat properly. It's cheap and takes about 5 seconds to apply, you just have to have some idea what you are doing | ||
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SonGoku
Germany152 Posts
On November 21 2014 21:06 y0su wrote: I stream sc2 without issue using an i5-4670 (non oc) with stock cooler. pls give streamlink <3 | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
If you want to worry, you should worry more about the motherboard. The parts that transform the 12V from the PSU into the voltage needed by the CPU will be stressed a lot more when overclocking. Those areas on the board can get very hot if the manufacturer was too greedy and used cheap parts, and that might be bad for the life of the board. You still never really hear about people killing their motherboards so there's probably no need to worry much. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
On November 22 2014 00:30 SonGoku wrote: Ya, working into something like OC or other stuff is not the problem. Does it effect the lifetime of the CPU massive? Like, can I expect to buy a new one in 1-2 years if I OC? That wouldnt be sweet. pls give streamlink <3 People usually don't usually overclock to the point where longevity is a real factor, it's only a concern for extreme overclocking From the OP: Does overclocking reduce lifespan? The two things that are detrimental to components is excessive heat and voltage. As long as both are kept in check, the effects of overclocking on lifespan is negligible. To put it simply, another component is more likely to die before an moderately overclocked processor and you'll be wanting a new computer long before the processor dies. | ||
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
On November 22 2014 00:30 SonGoku wrote: Ya, working into something like OC or other stuff is not the problem. Does it effect the lifetime of the CPU massive? Like, can I expect to buy a new one in 1-2 years if I OC? That wouldnt be sweet. pls give streamlink <3 My sig has my normal channel, unfortunately most of the saved videos there are from events where I was using a dedicated event PC (IeSF and ASUS). http://www.hitbox.tv/video/268452 was from home - skip around a bit to try to find some end game action. Imo hitbox has slightly better quality than twitch, but also my settings weren't optimized for it - I think it's capped to 30 fps regardless of resolution. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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SonGoku
Germany152 Posts
On November 22 2014 02:13 y0su wrote: My sig has my normal channel, unfortunately most of the saved videos there are from events where I was using a dedicated event PC (IeSF and ASUS). http://www.hitbox.tv/video/268452 was from home - skip around a bit to try to find some end game action. Imo hitbox has slightly better quality than twitch, but also my settings weren't optimized for it - I think it's capped to 30 fps regardless of resolution. is it just me or is the camera movement a bit juddery? What are your ingame graphic settings? I mean, I really want best performance possible. In theory, I want a 200 muta vs 200 muta fight on at least medium settings without any sort of lag or something so I can micro decently. Will I be able to with the rig I posted? | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6169 Posts
On November 22 2014 04:21 SonGoku wrote: is it just me or is the camera movement a bit juddery? What are your ingame graphic settings? I mean, I really want best performance possible. In theory, I want a 200 muta vs 200 muta fight on at least medium settings without any sort of lag or something so I can micro decently. Will I be able to with the rig I posted? I'm not sure, with the way that SC2 is set up, that you can do that without some as yet mythical processor that is optimized for just such an occasion. Having said that, I rarely notice issues with my rig (about a year old, similar specs) when I get to late game. YMMV, of course, given that my league is somewhere around dirt. | ||
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
On November 22 2014 04:21 SonGoku wrote: is it just me or is the camera movement a bit juddery? What are your ingame graphic settings? I mean, I really want best performance possible. In theory, I want a 200 muta vs 200 muta fight on at least medium settings without any sort of lag or something so I can micro decently. Will I be able to with the rig I posted? Hitbox does limit your stream to 30 fps. I can try that in a test map and see what results I get :D | ||
Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
I would also consider using NVENC off the GTX 760 to offload encoding from the CPU if streaming. Quality / size is worse than CPU encoding, but you won't lose as much performance. | ||
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Pibacc
Canada545 Posts
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dudeman001
United States2412 Posts
Currently I'm using about 440GB, a lot coming from all the games I keep installed. But even if I did massive uninstalling I still expect I'd be around the limit of most affordable SSDs. | ||
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